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Good evening, this is Susan Hulme at Westminster.

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Labour asks with additions to the council tax bill will provide a fair

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and reasonable solution to the pressures on social care, asking...

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Why health ministers don't stand up for vulnerable and older people in

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this country and why they don't fight harder to get extra funding

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for social care. The Defence Secretary out difficulty in getting

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aid to Aleppo. It is almost impossible to get food drops in when

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the city is controlled by Syrian and Russian troops. Why don't we get the

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board of Southern rail to stand on those platforms at 645 in the

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morning and managed to get into London at least an hour late.

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There are signs that the government is looking at allowing local

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councils in England to raise more money for the care of

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elderly and vulnerable adults from council tax.

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The government has countered that at the last election Labour didn't

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offer any more money to local government to pay for social care.

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Spending on long-term care in our country is more than the OECD

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average. In particular, it is more than France and Germany.

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Nevertheless, I accept, Mr Speaker, the system is under strain. Any

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system would benefit from higher budget and social care. But quality

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matters, too. Today is not a budget statement, Nora local government

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settlement. But I wish to end by commending again the many hundreds

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of thousands of carers who work so hard to make the current system work

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for so many. On this side, we called on the government to

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urgently bring forward promised funding to address the crisis. The

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Chancellor didn't listen, he didn't bring forward any funding for social

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care nor, indeed, mentioned it at all. Can the Minister tell us in his

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response by health ministers don't stand up for vulnerable and older

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people in this country and why they don't fight harder to get extra

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funding for social care? I hope in looking at coordinated policy across

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government, the Minister will not only look at good join up between

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the Department of Health and local government but also other policies

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like lifetime homes, family strengthening and flexible

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employment policies, all of which will help us deal with these issues.

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Can he give us some encouragement on that score? He's quite right. There

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is a whole raft of measures that need to be taken on. And better

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integration of health and social care funding and we are pursuing

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that vigorously. Basically, the back pressure from social care is

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actually what is causing the NHS to struggle. I totally agree with the

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Minister in regards integration and, in Scotland, where we have the

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integrated joint boards, it's brought a change quicker than we'd

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have hoped. Our delayed discharges are down 9% in the year. In England,

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they are up 30%. This isn't something that is easy. It is

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something that needs to be funded. The Minister has completely missed

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the point raised by my friend Mike on the bench -- my honourable

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friend. A 1% rise in council tax in Doncaster raises 21% less than a

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council in the Prime minister's constituency. Surely, the problem is

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being pushed onto the areas that can least afford it. She will be right,

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I would have missed the point had I not said that that issue she has

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raised is addressed by the way we distribute the additional better

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care fund which takes into account the relative need. Does the Minister

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share the view of the Care Quality Commission that the system is close

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to tipping point? Does he understand the impact that has on very many

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frail and elderly people? Does not agree that now is the time to bury

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our differences, work together to come up with a long-term settlement

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for the health care system? Today is not the day in which we will

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announce a Royal Commission on the funding of care into the future. But

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I do agree, Mr Speaker, that it is important we put care funding on

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Twitter better structural basis into the future and the honourable member

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was right to say that. That was the health minister. Later on, there

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were reports the Syrian government was claiming victory in the

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stand-off with rebel forces in Aleppo. At Question Time, some

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Michael Fallon told MPs it was almost impossible to get food aid

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into the war-torn city. He said Russian control of Syrian air

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defences meant that air dropping of aid would mean planes would be shot

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down. Tens of thousands of people have been trapped with virtually no

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food or water. Given the US and Nato's precision airdropped

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capability, can I ask the Secretary of State what conversations he's had

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with the incoming US administration and with other allies on the

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feasibility of using this specific capability to alleviate the

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suffering in Aleppo. Well, we have continually examined options for

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getting aid into Aleppo, which is now where people are in the most

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appalling situation. It is almost impossible to get food or medicine

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clinic in by airdropped when the air defences are controlled by Russia

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and the Syrian regime. And permissions are not forthcoming. We

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have looked at other options, such as using the airfield, but it is

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outside the control of the moderate opposition, and we will continue to

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look at all kinds of options but it is already very, very late for the

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people of eastern Europe. Russia, for all its belligerence, doesn't

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want to trigger a conflict with the UK and our Nato allies. And the

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longer that this is sensually cowardice goes on in the face of

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their posturing, the more they will push and the harder it will be for

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any resolve to come to the dreadful tragedy happening in that country.

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We continue to get any possibility of getting food or medicine into

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Aleppo or some of the other besieged areas. But it isn't simply a

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question of Russian permission. We also would have to make sure that

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any drops are feasible, considering the vulnerability of aircraft to

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ground to air defence systems as well. The Secretary of State said it

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was very late for the people of eastern Aleppo but it isn't too late

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and I'd second the calls that those planes could be flying over and

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providing humanitarian airdrops. There are 200 members on this side

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who have signed a letter calling for this leading humanitarian

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organisations and Wilkie look at it again? We have continued to look

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almost daily at the various ways in which we might be able to get food

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aid in. It is not possible in a contested air space with ground to

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air missile systems and Russian aircraft flying overhead, denying

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permission. It isn't possible to fly coalition aircraft over Aleppo and,

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without that security, we are unable to drop food where it is most needed

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but we continue to look at all the options. Can I ask the Secretary of

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State if he will continue and will not at any stage give up on looking

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at any way that we can alleviate the terrible suffering that is going on

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in East Aleppo? Well, I can give her that assurance and we continue to

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look at these options, to talk to the NGOs, who are willing to help us

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provide food and medicine, and some food and medicine is going into

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other cities in Syria, but not into Aleppo itself. Simply because of the

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impossibility of flying aircraft in that airspace over Aleppo, and the

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very real risk of aircraft then being shot down. The Defence

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Secretary, some Michael Fallon. Later, the Commons decided to have

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an emergency debate on how best to help Syrian strapped in Aleppo. The

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application was made by a conservative former international

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development secretary, Andrew Mitchell. The need for immediate

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concerted international action to evacuate from East Aleppo the

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remaining approximately 40 doctors, approximately 70 nursing staff, 500

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children, at least 100 of whom have been wounded, and are receiving

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rudimentary care, along with thousands of terrified civilians,

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caught between the different fighting groups in a ten by ten

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kilometre enclave, where those trapped are, I make no apology to

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the house for raising this vital issue again. You granted a debate on

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these matters two months ago. On that occasion, the Foreign Secretary

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made his first major speech from the despatch box and express the horror

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so many feel at what is happening in Syria and Aleppo. I am sure, Mr

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Speaker, if you grant this emergency debate, the house will hope to hear

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an update from the Foreign Secretary, who has already shown his

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deep and principled concern about what is taking place. The debate

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will be held on Tuesday, with the house updated on ongoing debates.

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With three days of strike action on Southern Rail services

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in the South-East of England about to start, peers today urged

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the Government to step in to end the long-running row

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Southern bosses have warned commuters not to use services

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because the service will be impacted regardless on Tuesday. The row

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minister is meeting with duty are in order to be updated on the latest

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position on how the operator will provide service on days of

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industrial action. This is a dispute between the operator and unions. The

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Secretary of State has also written to union leaders in an attempt to

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bring this dispute to an end. Rather than taking sides, shouldn't the

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government be trying to put pressure on both sides in this dispute, given

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the six months of intolerable disruption for consumers in the

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southern region, and forced the parties through the media to come to

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terms through ACAS in the next few days ahead of Christmas? Well, I

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agree with the noble Lord and that is what my honourable friend did. He

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wrote to both unions and asked them to meet with Southern at ACAS which

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was supposed to take place yesterday. That meeting didn't take

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place because the unions hadn't responded to the invitation from my

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honourable friend, his Secretary of State, and this isn't about taking

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sides. This is about getting this long-standing dispute resolved. This

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is just no good. Today, the two trains, first two trains this

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morning, were delayed. No excuse, no apology. And, then, the people get

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into the carriages and take the tabloids that are available, and

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most of them have full page ads from Southern saying, we are sorry. But

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nothing about it. Why can't we get the board of Southern to stand on

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the cold, wet platforms at 6:15am and managed to get into London at

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least an hour late. I know my honourable friend has raised this

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issue both in your lordship was maccas and also with me bilaterally

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and let me assure her, I do not miss an opportunity to make sure the

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Secretary of State is aware of the strong sentiments. On strike days,

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there is continuous disruption on this line. And those of us who

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travel on a daily have to suffer the files that has been going on for

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longer than six months. Can the noble Lord, the minister, tell the

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house what discussions the government has had with the company,

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regarding the management of their sickness and absence policy? Because

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it is precious little comfort to those of us trying to get on a train

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or waiting for trains to be told, time and time again, there is a

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temporary shortage of trained crew? What is the company doing about

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that? It is very well to go on about how the union isn't doing what you

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want it to do but I have to say the company has come out of this

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argument over the last 9-12 months looking shabby indeed. As the noble

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lady knows, I've acknowledged the fact that the communications have

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been ineffective in the company itself has to take responsibility.

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I've never stood at the despatch box and said this is an issue or problem

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raised by the unions alone. It is a challenge, there are challenges

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between the company Network Rail. In that regard, my honourable friend

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the Secretary of State, as the noble lady will know, has appointed Chris

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Skip to look at the issues of the continual issues, not just on strike

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days as they arise, on this issue... The issues can be resolved. The

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Transport Minister. This is Monday in Parliament. Our top story. Labour

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has warned the government that using a portion of council tax to boost

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funding for social care will create a two tier service. But a health

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minister says cash will be allocated on the basis of need.

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Labour has made a call for 21st-century fox interest in sky to

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be referred to the media watchdog Ofcom. Report more duck has it 39%

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stake -- Rupert Murdoch. The shadow culture Minister reminded the

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comments. Will the Minister commit

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the Government here and now to issuing a public interest

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intervention notice Remember, back in 2012 Ofcom's

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assessment of the CEO of Fox James Murdoch was that he,

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and I quote, repeatedly fell short of

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the exercise of responsibility to be The Prime Minister met

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with Ruperth Murdoch Powers to intervene in some

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media mergers on public interest grounds set out

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in Government guidance

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on the operation of the public under that act give

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an indication of how the intervention regime

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will operate in practice,

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the approach the Secretary of State is likely to adopt

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in considering cases. Any transaction will be looked

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at on its merits on a The guidance makes clear

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that the Secretary of State will aim to take an initial

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decision on whether to intervene within ten working days of formal

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notification of the merger to the Compeition Authorities

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or of the transaction been brought

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to her attention. No such formal notification

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has yet been received. The culture minister with

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responsibility for digital services. How long should it take before

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Britain leave the European Union? Theresa May says she intends to

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trigger Article 50 in March. What happens after that? The Chancellor

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Philip Hammond has indicated he favours a more drawn out transition

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period, rather than a clean break. I would like to move on to the

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question of transitional arrangement is for leaving the EU. Do you think

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we are going to be necessary? There is an emerging view among

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businesses, among regulators and among thoughtful politicians as well

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as I think quite a universal view among civil servants on both sides

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of the English Channel that having a longer period to manage the

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adjustment between where we are now as full members of the European

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union, and where we get to in the future as a result of the

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negotiations that we will be conducting, would be generally

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helpful, would tend towards a smoother transition and route

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running less risks of disruption, including crucially risks to

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financial stability which must be a very real concern. I appreciate the

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answer is yes. That is another way of putting it. I do not think we

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should approach this on the basis that we need transitional

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arrangements because I think we can only get to a situation where we

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have a transition if there is a genuine meeting of minds on both

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sides of the negotiation and they are beneficial. We, the current

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members of the EU? Yes, collectively. Collectively I think

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the arrangements would be beneficial to us. What we are talking about in

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a nut shell is a risk of severe instability. By these

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representations being made to you? Yes, we are hearing from the

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financial service sector is of concerns in this area. As you say,

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falling to two categories I think. They are about disruption to

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patterns of business. Remember that the financial service sector in

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London supports in many ways the real economy across the European

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Union. The businesses in manufacturing and agricultural

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sectors, for example. Also if changes in practice are carried out

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in haste, there is a danger that regulatory procedures will not be as

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robust as they should be. Full understanding of what is being

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regulated will not necessarily being had by all regulators involved. This

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would run risks for stability of the financial system as a whole. The

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committee member Rachel Reeves was the friend of the murdered MP Jo

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Cox. She had this question about the single being released in her memory.

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Brendan and other parliamentarians are releasing a single before

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Christmas to raise money for the Jo Cox foundation. I was wondering

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whether the Treasury will consider waiving VAT on that single so that

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more money could be raised for because is that your care so much

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about? Of course the Government fully support the efforts of

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parliamentary colleagues and others to raise funds for the Jo Cox

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foundation and we have heard those representations. You will be aware

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and members of the committee will be aware that the Government does not

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have it in its power to waive VAT because of European union rules.

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What I can do and I will do is announce that the Government will

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donate to the foundation and equivalent amount to the VAT paid on

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sales of the forthcoming single you can not always get what you want.

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Thank you very much. I welcome that decision and thank you to your

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colleagues. Thousands of people have been killed in the conflict in Yemen

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in which Saudi Arabia is leading a campaign to restore the Government.

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Boris Johnson and he repeat from Downing Street for accusing them of

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proxy wars. MPs complained the UK policy was no longer clear on the

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issue. Please confirm that we would never be involved in any

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puppeteering or proxy wars anywhere in the world, including in Yemen.

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Our influence and credibility as an honest broker is now being seriously

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questioned. When we criticised Russia's bombing of Aleppo, the

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Russians are accusing us of supporting the same thing in Yemen.

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Further to what the minister has said, can you clarify that our

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objective is an immediate ceasefire and can he lay out the detail on how

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we will get to that position? As the Foreign Secretary has said, we hold

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the pen is an Yemen at the united nations. There is a draft resolution

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calling for a ceasefire, resumption of peace talks and humanitarian

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access. Where is this resolution now? Will it be tabled before the

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Security Council before the end of the year? We must not fiddle as

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Yemen burns. She material access is vital. I made it very clear that we

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are investing more funds to make sure we can support the UN agencies

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and others in order to get through. The resolution that he touches on a

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still being discussed in New York as he speaks. The quad meeting which

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will take these matters further is coming up in the near future. He

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does touch on a comparison between Yemen and the conflict in Syria. I

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make it very clear that the support for the president has the backing of

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the United Nations through the resolution. There is a legitimate

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call for supporting President and what he has done.

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He has still been slapped down by Downing Street and forced to go

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to clarify his remarks and he has sent as junior minister today

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to support Saudi Arabia's actions to the hilt.

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It seems that he will will not support our calls for an independent

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UN investigation into Saudi Arabia's alledged war crimes and he will

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continue to sell them arms to prosecute it proxy wars.

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There is no consistency, no principle.

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We hear so much about the Government's positive

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relationship with Saudi Arabia, although it is not clear

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whether that extends to the Foreign Secretary.

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What good is that relationship if Government cannot and will not

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use its influence to prevent the killing and starvation

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Speaking to the Yemeni diaspora in Liverpool,

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their very clear message is

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that they fear for the lives of people back home.

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This is a country on the edge of famine.

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Can I urge the Government, and it is good to see

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do everything that we can as a country to relieve the humanitarian

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What representations has the Government made to the Iranian

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Government to stop the flow of arms to the Houthis?

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At the same time, what representations have been made

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to facilitate with the Iranians the opening of the ports, so that

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much-needed and desperate aid can get through to the Yemenis that are

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The honourable gentleman raises a very important point. What is their

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involvement in Yemen? Is it helpful or hindering? Yemen can play a more

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constructive role in making sure weapon systems are not entering the

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country themselves and making sure the Houthis are coming to the table

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and making sure the absence of ships that might want to come in to harm

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the Houthis .de 's are things we are asking Iran to recognise. There has

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been no mention to Iran, the UK must take responsibility for the

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escalating violence in Yemen. If we had not agreed to the nuclear deal,

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the billions of pounds of resources would not be able to go into this

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conflict and indeed conflict in Syria, Lebanon and other parts of

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the middle east. Dr Caroline Johnson retained

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the seat of Sleaford and North Hykeham for

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the Conservatives in a by-election Will the member wishing

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to take her seat... The conservative won the seat in a

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by-election after the resignation of a conservative who disapproved of

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the Government's policy on Brexit. I swear by Almighty

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God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance

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to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth her heirs and successors according

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to law, so help me God. Kristiina Cooper's here for the rest

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of the week but from me,

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