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were only notified in 20th February 11. He is right? | 0:00:02 | 0:00:08 | |
On Newsnight Scotland, more claims over the man convicted of the loper | 0:00:08 | 0:00:16 | |
-- Lockerbie bombing. Bomber mac claims he was asked to drop his | 0:00:16 | 0:00:21 | |
appeal so he could beat let out early. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:26 | |
Bomber mac remains the only man to be convicted of the Lockerbie | 0:00:26 | 0:00:34 | |
bombing. His appeal was dropped in 2009 and shortly after, he was | 0:00:34 | 0:00:41 | |
returned to Libya. He claims he was are urged to drop the appeal by the | 0:00:41 | 0:00:51 | |
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Scottish Government. We will hear from the brick's of there. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:03 | |
The Lockerbie bomber says he is dying, but he is convinced new | 0:01:03 | 0:01:10 | |
evidence that will prove his innocence. It will clear my name. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:17 | |
Bomber mac dropped his appeal days after being visited in prison by | 0:01:17 | 0:01:24 | |
the Justice Secretary. After he was returned to Libya, his biographer | 0:01:24 | 0:01:30 | |
said the two things are linked. is adamant he would not have | 0:01:30 | 0:01:36 | |
dropped his appeal had it not been indicated to him that dropping the | 0:01:36 | 0:01:43 | |
appeal would enhance his chances of being granted compassionate release. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:51 | |
The Scottish Government has issued a denial. It is not true. This is | 0:01:51 | 0:02:01 | |
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here said. It was all was a decision from Mr Alma graph a. The | 0:02:02 | 0:02:11 | |
decision I was -- I made was not predicated by anything. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:20 | |
evidence has been found casting doubt on his part in the bombing. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:30 | |
He was identified to -- identified by a Maltese shopkeeper. House | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
identification could be suspect. When he joined the line-up, the | 0:02:34 | 0:02:41 | |
other man had seen a fall talk of him and a magazine. He denies it | 0:02:41 | 0:02:51 | |
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affected his judgment. I forget him. His crucial identification liked | 0:02:57 | 0:03:07 | |
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the man to the bomb were -- bombing. A government forensic scientist | 0:03:09 | 0:03:15 | |
identified the plating on the fragment as 10 but said the circuit | 0:03:15 | 0:03:25 | |
board was led and 10. Metallurgy justs have said it could have been | 0:03:25 | 0:03:31 | |
affected by the explosion. When I analysed those samples, there was | 0:03:31 | 0:03:39 | |
no loss of alloy Catch content. This led me to conclude that this | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
sample was manufactured by a different process to the original | 0:03:44 | 0:03:54 | |
fragment. This evidence was not presented at the trial. Campaigners | 0:03:54 | 0:04:01 | |
say it is a further example that this is a miscarriage of justice. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:11 | |
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Earlier, I spoke to an ambassador. I asked him if he thought the | 0:04:12 | 0:04:17 | |
conviction was signed. I think he would not have been turned over by | 0:04:17 | 0:04:25 | |
Libyan authorities given the pressure on Libya at the time. He | 0:04:25 | 0:04:35 | |
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was found guilty and again on appeal. I think we must assume that | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
this was done properly. Was it a mistake for him to drop his chance | 0:04:43 | 0:04:53 | |
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of a second appeal for? I do not know we will ever really know what | 0:04:54 | 0:05:03 | |
the conversations where, but I think the evidence was compelling | 0:05:03 | 0:05:09 | |
enough to make me think it was worth it. Thinking back to this as | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
a Libyan state matter, they probably thought they had paid the | 0:05:12 | 0:05:22 | |
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price. They turned him over. It was probably not in their interest to | 0:05:27 | 0:05:36 | |
admit he was responsible. If the Foreign Minister suggested to him | 0:05:36 | 0:05:43 | |
it would be a good idea to drop his appeal, it might be in his | 0:05:43 | 0:05:52 | |
interests as a Libyan minister. can be. I think the Libyan | 0:05:52 | 0:05:59 | |
government had an interest in letting it drop at that point. I | 0:05:59 | 0:06:04 | |
think the Libyan government would rather have got on with things. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:09 | |
Scottish Government cab picked no pressure on him to drop his appeal. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:16 | |
Could be have gained anything from that decision? Nor. I think the | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
Scottish Government would have the most to gain by saying -- by doing | 0:06:20 | 0:06:30 | |
what they said they'd done -- had done. In the eyes of the | 0:06:30 | 0:06:40 | |
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international community. if he was rightly convicted, he usually do | 0:06:43 | 0:06:53 | |
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not believe he did it alone? No. I assume this went higher than the | 0:06:55 | 0:07:00 | |
Libyan government itself. We may never know the ins and outs. We | 0:07:01 | 0:07:08 | |
must assume that he was handed over for a reason. You're not confident | 0:07:08 | 0:07:18 | |
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about the prospects of new leads What can I say? On the one hand, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:30 | |
yes, it was possible new information we did know came to | 0:07:30 | 0:07:36 | |
light. At the same time, Gaddafi's regime has crumbled and it was | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
people inside the regime that would have known those things. They are | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
not going to have any interest about talking about their own roles | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
and responsibilities because they do not want to open themselves up | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
to legal jeopardy. There is a book coming out tomorrow, there has been | 0:07:51 | 0:07:58 | |
a documentary in Scotland, suggesting new evidence countering | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
some of the evidence which convicted Megrahi. Do you think it | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
would be worthwhile for there to be some kind of public inquiry in the | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
UK or international aid for to examine all the evidence and bring | 0:08:11 | 0:08:18 | |
new evidence out? -- internationally. Clearly I have not | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
read the book ought seen the documentary. I am not in a position | 0:08:23 | 0:08:31 | |
to comment. It is interesting. I would turn it back to the Scottish | 0:08:31 | 0:08:36 | |
authorities themselves and what is the proper process once a case has | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
been adjudicated and ruled on? We ought to think what is the normal | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
legal procedure to be followed rather than reacting to claims. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:51 | |
However, those may be followed up on. Don't the victims' relatives | 0:08:51 | 0:08:58 | |
deserve some fresh examination of the evidence to try and get the | 0:08:58 | 0:09:04 | |
full story of what happened on that fateful night? I do think we owe it | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
to the victims and their families at a sense of closure and a sense | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
of justice. We have had that with the conviction of Megrahi and with | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
the understanding of Libya was responsible. Also, the Libyan | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
people rose up against Gaddafi and he was killed recently. People may | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
see that as a measure of justice. I cannot comment on what the new | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
information is and therefore what that might warrant. Is a question | 0:09:30 | 0:09:38 | |
for the Scottish authorities to examine what is appropriate. Thank | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
you. The author of the biography of | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi, John Ashton, joins me from Aidan ruff. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:52 | |
Why they did Megrahi dropped his appeal? -- Edinburgh. Because he | 0:09:52 | 0:10:02 | |
had a conversation with a minister who earlier that day had met Kenny | 0:10:02 | 0:10:09 | |
MacAskill and said he told him he have any conversation with Mr | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
MacAskill and Mr MacAskill indicated it would be easier for | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
him to grant Megrahi compassionate release if he dropped his appeal. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
To be clear, he was not claiming Mr MacAskill have made that a they | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
demand. He was not claiming Mr Gaskell told him that directly. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:33 | |
us go through that. Is it possible for Libya's Foreign Minister made | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
that up? Anything is possible. But you have to look at motive. There | 0:10:38 | 0:10:48 | |
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was no motive for him to live. blogger has suggested it would be | 0:10:49 | 0:10:59 | |
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in a Libya's interests. -- Kurt Volker. If that appeal had gone | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
ahead, the conviction would have been overturned. That is why the | 0:11:03 | 0:11:09 | |
Crown Office he is worried about their case. What would they have to | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
fear from that outcome? Is it not part of justice had -- Scottish | 0:11:14 | 0:11:19 | |
justice that people are able to challenge the verdicts in court and | 0:11:19 | 0:11:24 | |
in a miscarriage has taken place, the conviction is quashed? They | 0:11:24 | 0:11:30 | |
would have to fear being exposed for withholding evidence. This is a | 0:11:30 | 0:11:36 | |
really shocking scenario. The amount of evidence they failed to | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
disclose is truly shocking. Had that appeal gone ahead, this would | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
have been exposed. Why do you think the Scottish authorities now seem | 0:11:45 | 0:11:51 | |
so keen for the full report of the Scottish criminal case to be | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
published? If they have something to fear from the content, then | 0:11:55 | 0:12:05 | |
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presumably they would try to some press it will stop -- suppress it. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
Legal minds have said they do not need to go through legal hoops. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:15 | |
There are more simple procedures. It is my view they do not one that | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
report to come out and they are delaying. It will come out | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
eventually but they are playing the delaying game. Do you believe Kenny | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
MacAskill and the Scottish government 20 say Mr MacAskill did | 0:12:28 | 0:12:34 | |
not have private conversations with the Libyan Foreign Minister and any | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
claims he suggested it would be a good idea to drop the appeal a | 0:12:38 | 0:12:45 | |
false? A I am not going to make a comment on that. It would not be | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
right. It seems to me if you are publishing a book which has this | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
claim at its core, it is not unreasonable of me to ask you that | 0:12:54 | 0:13:01 | |
that will stop snow but the book states clearly the Foreign Minister | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
gave the sign. Mr MacAskill can say what he likes. Of a whole point of | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
the book is for readers to make up their own mind. If you are prepared | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
to accept the word of somebody who, at the moment, remains convicted of | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
a very, very serious crime, and what he said about a conversation | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
he had with a Libyan minister who is a member of a regime which was | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
reviled internationally, it seems fair I can ask you whether you also | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
are prepared to accept the word of a Scottish government minister. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
have given my answer. You are not prepared to say you except the word | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
he has given tonight? I think the word he has given tonight is not | 0:13:44 | 0:13:54 | |
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entirely clear. In what way? Let me quote what he said. He says we can | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
say categorically neither the Scottish government had any | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
involvement in that the dropping of the appeal or any interest in it. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:08 | |
do not think that necessarily rolls out what Megrahi is saying. -- | 0:14:08 | 0:14:14 | |
rolls out. I want to talk about the pieces of evidence you have brought | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
to our attention. That is the time there and the metal make-up of it | 0:14:19 | 0:14:26 | |
and how that appears to contradict the evidence given at the trial and | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
the basis for that conviction. The MoD have issued a statement on that. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:38 | |
They say the coating of this time there can be modified, that isn't | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
key to its identification as a time there that could have been involved | 0:14:42 | 0:14:48 | |
in the bombing. If you study what they said, they say recruiting of | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
the control sample should be modified but long-haul point is the | 0:14:53 | 0:15:03 | |
control samples were all coated with a tin. -- the whole point. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:13 | |
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They only use the tin method to coat the boards. Is there any | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
chance this could ever be tested in a court of law, Devine Megrahi | 0:15:18 | 0:15:24 | |
dropped his appeal and given he is ill? Yes because his case could go | 0:15:24 | 0:15:30 | |
back to the Court of Appeal. The more urgent question is why did the | 0:15:30 | 0:15:35 | |
Crown or withhold all the evidence they did? That has to be subject to | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
a full inquiry. The Government, the Scottish government, has to abandon | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
the fiction that this was a safe conviction. They have to distance | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
themselves from the Crown Office and look at it objectively and | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
asked why the Crown Office withheld this evidence. Some people might | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
question your motives. How much money will you make from the | 0:15:54 | 0:16:00 | |
publication of the book? I have worked for two years without pay. I | 0:16:00 | 0:16:06 | |
have -- I will be fortunate to make that back. The boat is based on | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
Crown evidence. Is the evidence that should have been heard at that | 0:16:11 | 0:16:21 | |
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trial and was not. Thank you. John Ashton will be appearing on Good | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
Morning Scotland tomorrow. A quick look at the papers. The Lockerbie | 0:16:31 | 0:16:39 | |
story is a side bar in the Scotsman. That is a picture of Eric Joyce, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:48 | |
the Labour MP. It is about North Sea oil slumps. They are reporting | 0:16:48 | 0:16:55 | |
on the biggest production drop for 40 years. The Independent, they are | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
featuring Charlotte Church and the Leveson Inquiry. The Daily | 0:16:58 | 0:17:04 | |
Telegraph have a picture of the Oscars will stop They are talking | 0:17:04 | 0:17:09 | |
about HIV drugs on the Daily Telegraph. Than is all from us will | 0:17:09 | 0:17:19 | |
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A very mild night out there tonight. It will be a mild day tomorrow. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:34 | |
Most places will be cloudy. We should see the summer sunshine. In | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
the West, it will be overcast. There will be rain and drizzle over | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
the Pennines and in England. Down the east, there will be sunshine | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
and that will bump up the temperatures. They could reach 15 | 0:17:47 | 0:17:52 | |
degrees. South-west England will stay gloomy. There could be sea fog. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:59 | |
It could be a grey day. That could be a factor in Wales. When it stays | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
dull -- where it says dull, temperatures will reach 11 degrees. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:09 | |
It will be cloudy in Ireland. There is a chance of sunny spells in | 0:18:09 | 0:18:14 | |
Belfast. The same split across Scotland. In the West, it will be | 0:18:14 | 0:18:20 | |
dull. In the east, temperatures will rocket up. The outlook is more | 0:18:20 | 0:18:27 | |
of the same. Temperatures may be a degree also lower. Quite a lot of | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
cloud. By Wednesday, parts of South Wales and south-west England are | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 |