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Tonight on Newsnight Scotland: The former editor of the Scottish News | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
of the World Bob Bird is charged with attempting to pervert the | :00:16. | :00:23. | |
course of justice. What next for Operation Rubicon? And who are Mr | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
and Mrs Average Scotland? We will discuss what the latest snapshot of | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
Scottish society tells us. Good evening, the former top | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
journalist in the Scottish operation of the News of the World | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
was detained by police in Glasgow this morning in connection with an | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
allegation of attempting to perverse -- pervert the course of | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
justice. Bob Bird was editor of the Scottish edition of the paper | :00:45. | :00:51. | |
during the Tommy Sheridan defamation trial in 2006. When | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
Tommy Sheridan sued the News of the World for defamation in the Court | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
of Session back in 2006, there were few media commentators who thought | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
he would win. But there were fewer still who predicted the series of | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
events which followed his victory. He was convicted in the Glasgow | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
High Court, after committing perjury during the defamation case. | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
As he headed for jail, his lawyer suggested that his imprisonment | :01:14. | :01:24. | |
might not be the end of the matter. Today, I was convicted. I have | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
fought the power of News International off my political life. | :01:28. | :01:34. | |
I make no apologies for taking on the might of Rupert Murdoch. | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
Several million pounds of public money was spent investigating me | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
and my wife. Is it not time that similar resources were devoted to | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
investigating the activities of the News of the World? As the London- | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
based media, notably News International, were making | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
spectacular headlines before, during and sends the Leveson | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
Inquiry, Strathclyde police were conducting what they called | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
Operation Rubicon, described as an inquiry into allegations of phone | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
hacking, breaches of data protection and perjury. Already | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
this year, Andy Coulson, formerly the Prime Minister's communications | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
adviser, had been charged with Strathclyde police in connection | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
with issues arising at the Tommy Sheridan perjury trial. Douglas | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
Whyte, former editor of the Scottish edition, was charged with | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
perjury himself, during the original defamation Acts and and -- | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
action and other telephone offences. Today's arrest of Bob Bird for | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
attempting to pervert the course of justice, means more than 14 | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
individuals involved in the media across the UK have been charged | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
with wrongdoing of one sort or another so far this year. Bob Bird | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
told reporters today that he is not guilty. I want to say that I am | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
really saddened and disappointed that things have come to this, | :02:51. | :02:57. | |
today. I have always tried to do the right thing in my career, | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
throughout my 30 or 40 years in journalism. I will be denying the | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
charge that has been made against me today. Strathclyde police will | :03:06. | :03:11. | |
send a report in due course. Our Home Affairs Correspondent | :03:11. | :03:20. | |
revolvers and joins me now. Where next does this investigation go? -- | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
Reevel Alderson. He hinted that is in that report. The investigations | :03:25. | :03:31. | |
will be sent to the procurator fiscal. Then they and the Crown | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
Office will decided there needs to be further proceedings. There have | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
been three people charged by Strathclyde police as part of | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
Operation Rubicon. All of these cases are being considered by | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
prosecutors. They will make a decision as to whether, first of | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
all, there is sufficient evidence to take the case to trial. Secondly, | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
whether it is in public interests to take it to trial. It would be a | :03:55. | :04:02. | |
very brave prosecutor to decide that it was not. Or, indeed, that | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
it should proceed in the normal way. But they have a year from the | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
charge before anything must come to court. We know that there are | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
investigations under way in Scotland. There are also separate | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
investigations in England. What impact, if any, could the | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
proceedings South of the Border have on the investigations here? | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
They are entirely separate investigations under entirely | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
separate legal systems. Operation Weeting was set up by the | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
Metropolitan Police to investigate allegations of phone hacking and | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
impropriety surrounding the News of the World's activities. Already, a | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
number of people have been arrested as part of that. One of them is | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
Andy Coulson, who has also been arrested by Operation Rubicon, | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
detectives in Strathclyde. They are separate investigations. They will | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
proceed in a separate manner. If, for the sake of argument, people | :04:58. | :05:04. | |
were brought to court under Operation Weeting, I think that | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
might delay things in Scotland if the same people were implicated | :05:06. | :05:12. | |
here. What impact, if any, would there be on that the conviction of | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
Tommy Sheridan for perjury? I do not think there will be any impact. | :05:15. | :05:22. | |
I think it is perfectly possible, isn't it, that in the perjury case | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
and the defamation case a large number of people wired. Just | :05:25. | :05:32. | |
because one side -- a large number of people my age. Just because one | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
side was found to perjure themselves, it does not mean the | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
other side is whiter than white. Just give an indication of the | :05:39. | :05:45. | |
scale of the inquiry. Operation Rubicon was set up by the Office | :05:45. | :05:51. | |
following the receipt of a document by Tommy Sheridan's then solicitor. | :05:51. | :05:59. | |
At one point it had 50 officers. The work continues on Strathclyde | :05:59. | :06:07. | |
police say there is no sign of that Howl average do you feel? Research | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
out today highlights the make things that Scots have in common | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
and the many ways in which we do care. The Scottish Household Survey | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
found that a third of women do not feel safe for the home at night. | :06:16. | :06:25. | |
Most people are happier with their What is it like to live in | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
Scotland? What are the facts on the ground? One senior, the Scottish | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
Household Survey tries to answer those questions. It holds a mirror | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
up to all of Scotland so that we can see ourselves in all our glory. | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
Or maybe just warts and all. So, what do Scottish communities look | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
like? For a start, if you have the range of cultures you will find | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
here in Glasgow. Scotland is a very diverse country in many respects. | :06:53. | :06:59. | |
But not, apparently, in respect of ethnic origin. 97% of adults | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
questioned said that they were white. Just 2% said they were of | :07:03. | :07:10. | |
Asian origin. So, does that 2% feel left out? It is a question I put to | :07:10. | :07:19. | |
a local student and amateur boxer, Mohammad Humair. I don't see a | :07:19. | :07:27. | |
difference. There are less Asians and more whites. Anywhere I go, | :07:27. | :07:33. | |
city centre, college or university, where you would think there would | :07:33. | :07:39. | |
be more Asians. The survey found just under half of Scottish adults | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
are married and living with a spouse. One in three households | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
contains just one person. As we found out in Aberdeen, it is | :07:46. | :07:54. | |
normally a matter of choice. myself. There is nobody to tell you | :07:54. | :08:00. | |
what to do. It is as simple as that. You can do what you want, way you | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
want, when you want. You can go way you want, if you want to go to the | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
pub, you can. Most Scots like where they live, especially if they are | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
out of the city. But a quarter of adults surveyed think their | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
environment is unpleasant. Most feel that they cannot do much to | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
change it. Are you able to influence your environment? Do you | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
think there is a changed to be made, and you have some way of making it? | :08:25. | :08:35. | |
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No. Can you have an input and influence on how it changes? | :08:36. | :08:41. | |
hirer people than me. But it is where you live? Yeah, but you have | :08:41. | :08:51. | |
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These are tough time economically. That is reflected in the public | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
mood. In the course of a year the percentage of people who felt | :08:59. | :09:07. | |
positive about their household finances fell from 48% to 44%. Also | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
among the findings, three out of ten Scottish households have no | :09:11. | :09:19. | |
savings at all. I'm saving up more. I'm too scared to go out. Normally | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
I would buy jeans, I'm too scared to now. I'm watching what I spend. | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
Is that because you are concerned about how things will go? Is it it | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
because there is not so much money around? There is not so much money | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
around. The Government, you know, the cutbacks that have happened | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
with everybody on benefits, it's really, really getting harder. | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
Everybody is feeling it. Has it hit you? Big style. I'm a single parent | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
with two kids. It's forced me back on to jobseeker's allowance. They | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
are giving me a really hard time. My rent as well, everything. Most | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
Scottish households don't have to take the bus everywhere. They have | :09:57. | :10:03. | |
access to a car. It seems many are still in the driving seat. 6% of | :10:03. | :10:09. | |
men have a licence, but only 60% of women do. I can't understand why. | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
Women do a lot of things with the car nowadays like shopping and | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
things like that. Maybe quite a lot of women drop their husbands off. | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
The husbands say they are the drivers and owners of the car don't | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
get them throughout the day. There are some things that surveys just | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
don't reveal. With me in the studio is Jim McCormick of the think-tank | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
The Joseph Rowntree Foundation and in Edinburgh is the journalist, | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
Lesley Riddoch. Thank you for joining us this evening. Jim, we | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
know the point of these surveys is to inform Government policy. What | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
do you take from the Scottish Household Survey? We get a as soon | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
as possible shot. It gives us a rich and partial picture of how | :10:50. | :10:55. | |
Scotland is to live in and how it's changing. Take an example like | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
growing satisfaction with public services. That seems like good news. | :10:58. | :11:04. | |
If you scratch below the surface you will find, for example, all the | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
people with dementia who have poor experiences in hospital. Disabled | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
people who have poor experiences again. We have to be careful not to | :11:13. | :11:19. | |
over interpret the positive findings and look below the surface | :11:19. | :11:25. | |
to get a handle of how it can be useful for a policy stool. There is | :11:25. | :11:32. | |
a feeling within the statistics of a lack of empowerment amongst | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
communities? There was a staggering statistic that suggested that 22% | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
of people feel they can have any impact on their local area, the | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
local council area. When you bear in mind that is where the lion | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
share of our lives are lived, that is how we experience government to | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
government services, it's really quite astonishing to find that | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
people feel disco nexted. I know this is a time when we have big | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
fish to fry, everyone is interested about the future of Scotland and | :12:01. | :12:07. | |
whether it will be part of the UK. Here we are with the largest local | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
government unit in Europe, I think this is telling its own story. | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
People can't make an impact where they live. That is really serious. | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
We live in a democracy. Surely, individuals have a responsibility | :12:18. | :12:24. | |
to take action or to try and change things if they can rather than | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
relying on the government, which you seem to be suggesting might be | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
the problem? How would you not rely on the architecture of government. | :12:32. | :12:42. | |
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That is why we pay our taxes. We are weird in Europe. We are at the | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
bottom of the league table when it comes to how close you are to local | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
authorities. We could change. We could discuss it, but very rarely | :12:56. | :13:02. | |
do we get the chance. One thing that struck me reading what is a | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
lengthy document, 20% of people surveyed have no qualification what | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
so ever. If you look at those who have qualifications, they tend to | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
have larger incomes and tend to have better results in this survey. | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
It highlights the importance of education? What has been happening | :13:18. | :13:24. | |
in the last 20/30 years is that unqualified people get older, | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
retire early, the workforce, people coming behind them are better | :13:27. | :13:33. | |
qualified. If you are young in Scotland today, and unqualified, or | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
poor qualifications the jobs market is much tougher than at the time of | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
the last recession 20 years ago or so. We have the powers under | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
devolution to target our training budgets, our support for employers | :13:46. | :13:51. | |
to do something about that. I think it's a really important blind spot | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
in our policy system that we haven't done more since the | :13:55. | :14:01. | |
Scottish Parliament began life in 99, to really target those young | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
people who have been left behind, even before the recession came | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
along. Lots of positive things about public service in this survey. | :14:09. | :14:15. | |
We shouldn't lose sight of that. Another thing that struck me was | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
how overwhelmingingly white Scottish society is, something like | :14:19. | :14:26. | |
97% of the population white, 6 % described themselves as being | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
"heterosexual". It's strange if there are worries about immigration, | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
for example, that it's based on a small experience of it. That does | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
make me wonder whether the kind of animosity that sometimes occurs is | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
because of perceptions of not having enough for... To go around, | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
if you like, the local, enough housing, enough affordable housing. | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
Enough services that people can get their hands on. I wonder why that | :14:53. | :14:58. | |
should be the case? There is another puzzle to me, when you look | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
at the transport survey published today, after all the rises that we | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
have had in oils prices and the push to get us on to public | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
transport we are using the bus less than we were ten years ago and | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
there is still 66% of people driving to work. Now, that's kind | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
of quite extraordinary given the amount of effort there has been to | :15:18. | :15:25. | |
create a change there. It makes you begin to think there is some | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
entrenched bits of human behaviour that we don't discuss well in | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
public forums or debates like this, which are still clogging the works | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
up, if you like, to stop us getting where Scots like to think they want | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
to go, which is on to public transport or on to cycling. We seem | :15:40. | :15:46. | |
to be stuck and entrenched in some habits. This has exposed them today. | :15:46. | :15:52. | |
In terms of the economy, we have had a recession, we are now in a | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
double-dip recession, that is reflected in some way in these | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
figures is that people feel lest positive about their household | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
finances. A third of Scots have no savings. 10% have less than �1,000 | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
in savings? I suspect we may be at a turning point in some of these | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
indicators where we have seen positive trends for a few years. If | :16:13. | :16:18. | |
you look forward, we know we are in a middle of a sustained drop in | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
household incomes, not just at the bottom, but for many people. We | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
know that lone parents in particular are going to come out | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
badly if welfare reforms, even before. We already see that their | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
rates of savings are low. So, what is interesting will be to look a | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
year or two from now when we have the survey being published as to | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
whether we are picking up that increase in insecurity. A | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
particular trend I want to pick out is the doubling of number of | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
households in the private rented sector. Within the numbers we will | :16:51. | :16:57. | |
see a core of often young, insecure people who are pushed into private | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
renting sector through lack of choice. We may find that they end | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
up having a poor quality, high cost experience. If we should do | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
something from these figures it is to go after that problem. This is a | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
vast amount of information. Put yourself in the role of a | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
Government minister, what do you do with this detail? You ask questions. | :17:19. | :17:25. | |
The snapshot of transport, why has so much nrk and money to try to | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
encourage us to change and green ways and bus lanes and all the rest | :17:29. | :17:36. | |
of it, why hasn't that got us to change? Is a good snapshot of our | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
habits here. It would be a shame if this descended into ministers | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
having to try and dig deep to try and find the one bright spot and | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
concentrate on it because we need to really try and tackle why we are | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
not able to go where we would like to go, in terms of better and | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
healthier habits. Does it paint a picture of a healthy society that | :17:58. | :18:04. | |
is content with itself? It paints a mixed picture. It offers a view of | :18:04. | :18:10. | |
Scotland on the surface, a snapshot, it conceals as much as it reveals. | :18:10. | :18:16. | |
We should look not to just people's attitudes, but also behaviour. What | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
do we do and not just say to pollster what is we would like to | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
do. Put in proper incentives to shift people to walking, cycling | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
and transport and high cost ownership then we are close to | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
making good use of this survey. Thank you very much for joining us | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
Thank you very much for joining us this evening. Tomorrow's headlines: | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
The Scotsman. The Paralympics, the Opening Ceremony having taken place | :18:45. | :18:54. | |
over the last couple of years. Focus on a third of women fear | :18:54. | :19:03. |