05/11/2012 Newsnight Scotland

that his tenure has hardly transformed politics in the way

Tonight on Newsnight Scotland, legalised prostitution or a

pragmatic solution to keeping prostitutes and communities safe?

We will debate whether Edinburgh soreness should remain open. And

Craig Levein has been sacked. Do we expect too much of the national

In Glasgow there is a zero tolerance attitude to prostitution

but in Edinburgh there has been a tolerance of massage parlours used

as brothels. That may be about to change as councillors meet to

decide whether 12th premises should have their licences renewed. -- 12.

An element of life in the capital that is in stark contrast to the

image of the city. Since the 19 eighties licensed saunas had looked

cheek by jowl with the city architecture. Police say it is

pragmatism. Say, for prostitutes and the public love with the plight

of care crawlers. -- safer for a prostitute and the public who live

with kerb crawlers. It comes down to a mall or pragmatic argument. --

morale. -- moral. This is a successful pragmatic policy and we

see no reason for a change now. It is more difficult to do damage to a

sex worker in dawns than outdoors. -- endorsed. -- indoors. The policy

began in the 1980s in response to the HIV and Aids epidemic. One of

the reasons there is not the HIV epidemic of 20 years ago is

precisely because of initiatives like this. I shudder to think what

the statistics would be otherwise. But 50 miles away on the other side

of the country, Glasgow sees things very differently. This year is

traditionally known for at prostitution. -- this a pair of the

city. -- a year. You could say that a councillor going in the very

opposite direction. It wants to see an end to lap-dancing clubs and

there is no culture of turning a blind eye. I Glasgow-based women's

group say that working with the council and other agencies is the

way forward. The multi- agency partnership and working group has

developed a clear policy approach to the problem. It links

prostitution to other forms of gender based violence. That has a

good how it has approached issues like licensing. And also policing.

I think it has been a successful approach. We do not have commercial

brothels masquerading as mismatch parlours in Glasgow any more.

licences are not renewed the closure of we changed the face of

the sex industry and Edinburgh. I am joined by the Independent MSP,

Margo MacDonald, and in Glasgow, by Anne McIlveen, of the ministry who

provide support to street prostitutes. Margo MacDonald, are

some of these premises just in fact brothels? They are said to provide

some sort of entertainment. But I think it is naive to presumed there

is not such a thing. Even the support workers say they are a

place where sex workers operate. That makes it hard to argue are

just a place for a mismatch? -- massage? It is a pragmatic way of

dealing with industry and has proved successful in Edinburgh. You

can look at the records and say that during the policy of

management or toleration, the number of women working as

prostitutes has reduced. Is it the correct approach? I do not think so.

I believe it is still an abuse of women. To have any doubt that what

goes on in there is prostitution? Of course it is. The owners make

money out of the girls have insects. -- having sex. Is there a will line

this? -- well will blindness? part of the human condition,

prostitution. In every city there will be brothels or places of adult

entertainment. They are part of what we now call the sex industry.

They have to be managed and controlled and the interests of the

women who work in them and the general community. I've and

Edinburgh has done extremely well. But within the law? A lot is clear.

The law is not actually clear. this better than having women

walking the streets in danger? you see them as a different level

of society, the women working in these places? You know as well as I

do that they come and go and it is very wrong to a blanket them as

prostitutes of sex workers. Some of them will work only for a few

months until the get back on their feet again. I do not see them as a

different species. If that is the case, is the Glaswegian strategy

any better? Class core has worked very hard in the 11 years I have

been doing this ministry. -- Glasgow. We have seen a decrease in

the number of girls working on the street. Some of them are going

elsewhere, are working from flats. We have also found that they are

working from mobile phones. Clients come and pick them up. Not that

many girls are still on the street. They don't need to be. Very few in

Edinburgh. But more and Glasgow. And proportionately, there are more

on drugs in Glasgow. If you like, the advantage of Edinburgh system,

over Glasgow, is that the police have better intelligence. What

should be done? Just a matter of the Council approving licences or

do we need a wholesale change and the law? Until somebody produces a

better idea we should stick with something that has produced very

low HIB statistics. -- HIV. He is a low-level criminality associated

with prostitution. A lower level of violence against the women. One

year after the Edinburgh is one was discontinued because Glasgow had

their way regarding the new lock, gratuitous assault in Edinburgh

rose by 1,000 %. It was the same in Glasgow. We are out there every

Saturday night. At we had not been their venom quite a few locations

I know that. You had a very bad record in Glasgow compared to

Edinburgh, it is something I don't like doing, comparing the record,

but I have no or criticism of your organisation at all. I'd do have

some criticism a some of the other groups working in the field in

Glasgow. Is it time for these licences simply to be approved or

should dings change? Until we get rid of poverty, and till we get rid

of cruelty and exploitation, we are better off approving the licences.

There we must leave it. Thank you very much.

So, Craig Levein has been sacked as Scotland manager. His three years

in charge won't be remembered with much affection by the Tartan Army.

First he failed to get the team and to this summer's Euros, and the

campaign to qualify it for Brazil in 2014 was over almost before it

had started. That is it. Scotland's hopes are

surely dead and buried in now. the wrong with them, Craig Levein's

reign as Scotland manager. It defeated Belgium international side

had picked up just two. For made possible 12. -- two point from a

possible 12. Like managers before him, Craig Levein tried to lower

the expectations of the Tartan Army. One thing that was low it was the

team's place in the official world rankings. It slipped from a 46 in

2009 to 56 today. But with only modest talent at his disposal, can

the fans expect much better? Hogg, the fans, fed on a diet of Dalglish

and Baxter. Of course they expect better, they are football fans,

after all. One thing they didn't expect to see ever was a Scotland

team play a football match without a forward. But that is what Craig

Levein did against De Czech Republic, and duly lost. That, at

his handling of Steven Fletcher, the goalscorer he wouldn't pick

until it was probably too late, is what Craig Levein will probably be

best remembered for. So the lights have gone out on his international

management career. It is now over to the Scottish FA to persuade

somebody, I dare to risk a repetition or to try and build a

reputation by restoring Scottish Power to the football field --

either to risk a reputation. I am joined by Gordon Smith, who

was chief executive of the SFA Brent Craig Levein was appointed.

You were directly involved in hiring Craig Levein. He hasn't

delivered Magee regret appointing him? You never know. Every

appointment is a risk to a certain extent, but he was a prime

candidate when he was brought forward, and the board of directors

agreed he was the right man to take us forward. Everything seemed to be

moving along positively, although they didn't qualify for the last

campaign, his own and talk on everything was the fact that this

is the best group of players we have had for some time, a very

positive, we can win the games coming up, but it hasn't worked out.

Did he get the best out of the players? Some say his tactical

decisions were 14. That could be said about some of them were wrong,

some of the performances were not good. The question is whether it is

down to the players not being good enough, if they are not, no one

else could have done better, but there have been examples in the

past when a certain group of players is taken over by another

manager and all the sudden, results improve. Tom Lucas, we have now

seen seven Scotland managers in 10 years. Little wonder perhaps that

the Scotland team are struggling? There is no continuity, in my view

I think the job is now a part-time job, there is no need for a full-

time manager. At the end of the day, we are falling so far behind, with

the demise of Mother Russia and the increase in the number of countries,

we have fallen further and further behind. There is no William need

for a full-time coach. What sort of coach are you looking for, a young,

up and coming one? Somebody who has been over the course, knows for a

ball inside Out, has that level of respect and ability that the

players will respond to -- knows that bought inside out. -- knows

football inside out. I think if it doesn't work out, I think we will

have to change. An additional think is that we do not merit a full-time

coach. He was full time because every manager has been so far,

there are a lot of matches, they also have an ambassadorial role to

play to be the Scotland manager, and Craig Levein also wanted to be

involved when he was appointed, coming in to speak to ask me what

to to be involved in the whole restructuring of the game. That was

already under way, we had a terrific report for the SFA, to

take it forward, and Craig Levein wanted to be part of that. I

thought everything may keep him in the job it was the fact he had done

a lot of work within that realm. But his remit was to improve the

international team and take the team to international championships

and it hasn't happened. What, then, is the problem? Is it the

individual, is that the players Boris of the structure? I could be

down to the fact that these players... I think we are improving

the game, there are a lot of changes being made, we are trying

to develop it, there are a lot more kids playing, a lot more volunteers,

that is a big factor. That will take time. But I think we have a

good enough group of players now. Anybody who says we do not, I would

say look at Greece in 2004, they one the European Championships --

they won the European Championships, against a whole load of top-class

players. We would like to be there, do we expect too much of Scottish

football? There is an issue there. Because in a sense, we invented the

game, and we haven't produced, in my view, a world-class player in

the last 15 or 20 years at any great note. We have world-class

effort but not really any world- class players. I think we need to

look at the whole structure of our coaching. Is Gordon Strachan the

answer? He is certainly one of the major candidates, but I was in

Brazil at one time and said that we invented the game, and they said

yes, but we perfected it! There we must leave it. Just before we go, a

time for a look at the morning's That incident which happened in