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Tonight on Newsnight Scotland, we reveal some important details | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
Edinburgh council has been keeping from its council tax payers. Tens | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
of millions of pounds may be jeopardised in the scandal of a | :00:21. | :00:26. | |
tenement repair. The council has refused to publish its specially | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
commissioned investigations. Surely there's nothing to hide? | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
Also tonight, possibly the most famous Scot of all, Macbeth or | :00:34. | :00:43. | |
stock of all the publicity, was he actually quite a good bloke? | :00:43. | :00:49. | |
Edinburgh Council spent tens of millions on repairing tenements and | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
has not claimed the money back. We can reveal reports from a forensic | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
accountant into the scandal are being held back by the council. | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
Hundreds of home owners have no idea whether their council is | :01:01. | :01:11. | |
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guilty or not of poor management or Instead of trying to give other | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
owners of a tenement block took every what building repairs need to | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
be done, in Edinburgh, the council can arrange it for you. It is | :01:20. | :01:25. | |
called a statutory notice and each donor pays their share. But a year- | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
and-a-half ago, we reported allegations of wrongdoing and | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
owners' anger at the way it was being handled. The last we heard | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
about the total cost of the sandstone was �250,000 and I think | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
that what they have done is seen this as an opportunity to do a | :01:43. | :01:50. | |
Rolls-Royce job on a building that was not necessary. And we cannot | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
afford the Rolls-Royce. We received a letter and it tells the so they | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
are quite clearly, on no account give these clients any indication | :01:58. | :02:05. | |
of cost as they do change day-by- day. So you were expected to have | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
your cheque book open and let somebody else fill it in? That is | :02:08. | :02:14. | |
what it seems like. So the council brought in independent auditors, | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
Deloitte pull stop it took around a year to scrutinise finances over | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
who knew what when and Edinburgh city council's decision and then in | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
spring last year, we heard their investigations were finally | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
complete. Since then we have been awaiting the publication of what | :02:32. | :02:39. | |
became known as the Deloitte report. We are still waiting. It turns out | :02:39. | :02:47. | |
there are two reports. Project Soul and Project Power. What was in them | :02:47. | :02:53. | |
that had to remain secret for so long? -- project Sella. Here are | :02:53. | :02:59. | |
some of the points I have been allowed to see. Evidence of | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
problems with cost to home owners, work done not necessary for public | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
safety, overcharging, tendering and quality control. | :03:07. | :03:15. | |
It also says a Contractor obtained confidential access to a payment | :03:15. | :03:21. | |
system, 850 times over four years. Project Sola is highly critical of | :03:21. | :03:31. | |
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the finances of the project. It was effectively operating a huge | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
overdraft which the report suggests expose the council to legal and | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
financial risks. Investigators also found an internal report about the | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
department from as far back as 2000 update which was destroyed before | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
Deloitte started their investigation. I have spoken to one | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
former employee who has seen the report as well. They told me that | :03:57. | :04:03. | |
many of these points are wrong and taken out of context. These errors | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
were already known about and called the report a �2 million waste of | :04:07. | :04:13. | |
public money. The tendering process was 110% above board, approved by | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
the procurement and legal departments of the council and said | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
contractors were not just writing cheques to themselves. Other former | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
employees have spoken differently. They do not want to be identified | :04:25. | :04:31. | |
either. It was unbelievable, what was going on. In one section, a | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
spreadsheet was drawn up and it was claimed that was to put �7 million | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
worth of work done but only one put �3 million could be identified -- | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
2.7 million worth. If there was money going missing, the council | :04:44. | :04:50. | |
would have no idea. He also claims that contractors' rates were being | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
seen by other builder so they could undercut their rivals. | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
Can you be certain that contractors had hold of other contractors' | :04:59. | :05:05. | |
rates? Yes, more than 100% positive. I saw them in a contractors' office, | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
and a contractor who had a lot to gain from those rate. The council | :05:09. | :05:19. | |
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What the Deloitte reports remain unpublished, there will always be | :05:29. | :05:35. | |
more questions than answers but fresh questions are being raised | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
and perhaps not providing all the answers, people are hoping for | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
answers. And Emma-Jane condemned and Bruce Thomson say they have not | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
had any answers they were looking for. They have not even received a | :05:48. | :05:54. | |
bill. Fiona Walker is here now. Fiona, | :05:54. | :05:59. | |
will these reports ever be published? After spending what is | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
thought to be about �2 million on them plus the costs of getting a | :06:03. | :06:11. | |
team of external Surveyors in, suspending staff on full pay, you | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
would hope we would see something. The council said they would publish | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
a version and the reason they haven't so far, they said, is | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
because their ongoing criminal proceedings and an internal | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
disciplinary process. What else is there to come on this? Probably | :06:29. | :06:35. | |
quite a lot. These reports are 79 pages and 99 pages long | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
respectively. Lots of detail, I have not seen all sections of the | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
report and I should let knowledge that there was some good work done | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
within the property conservation department but delight really did | :06:47. | :06:54. | |
paint a picture of mismanagement -- Deloitte, and financial, shall we | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
say, incoherence it. They are strong on that and the language | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
used is fairly steady -- incoherent. Discreet recommendations, and they | :07:05. | :07:11. | |
say it is imperative and then they are saying to the council that this | :07:11. | :07:18. | |
money coming in, sorry, going out to contractors which is public | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
money which is not being recouped quickly enough or at all from home | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
owners for accountants, that is obviously baffling. They are | :07:28. | :07:34. | |
operating on an overdraft system which is about �28 million in one | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
department. So they are strong on that. A former member of staff was | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
thought to be saying that that money is recoverable or most of it | :07:44. | :07:51. | |
and is there anything wrong with operating an overdraft like that? | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
Clear this up because lots of people watching will think what I | :07:54. | :08:00. | |
thought when I saw this, which is, "hang on a minute, why are the | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
police not involved in this already?" they are. They have | :08:04. | :08:10. | |
looked at this in a couple of department. The property care | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
department, they have charge people in that so we have not gone into | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
allegations in this report because we cannot for obvious reasons. | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
There are two different departments and in this department by private | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
property, where homeowners are involved, there have been no | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
criminal charges. People might have expected them but there has not | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
been the evidence to charge people and their poor people were keen to | :08:34. | :08:40. | |
see what was in the delight reports. -- and therefore people working. | :08:40. | :08:46. | |
Some people have been reinstated, sacked and in this report, yes. | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
That process is still ongoing and homeowners themselves are also | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
poised to take the council to court perhaps when they get the final | :08:54. | :09:00. | |
bill. Thank you. If you have set your mind to thinking of the most | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
famous Scot in the world, he might be worse than settling on Macbeth. | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
Cultures across the globe are aware of the tragic and murderous | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
Scottish king. Even if they know little enough of the play and last | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
of the real historical character. Would it be good if we knew a bit | :09:16. | :09:26. | |
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It was one of the great historical finds of recent times. It is our | :09:34. | :09:44. | |
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inclusion the individual we found is indeed Richard III. | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
confirmation last week that the twisted body discovered in a | :09:51. | :09:58. | |
shallow grave in Leicester is that of Richard III. Over 400 years ago, | :09:58. | :10:06. | |
he was demonised by Shakespeare as a notorious nephew murdering King. | :10:06. | :10:11. | |
Our horse for my kingdom Next last week's confirmation has launched a | :10:11. | :10:20. | |
raft of theories. People claimed he is maligned and is not the evil | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
caricature or depicted by Shakespeare. With this in mind, one | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
MSP called for a rehabilitation of one of the most famous Scots of all | :10:29. | :10:39. | |
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time, Macbeth. Seen here in a modern feature, Shakespeare painted | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
Macbeth as a man spurred on by his wife to kill the king. He has them | :10:49. | :10:54. | |
got to keep killing and his state of mind disintegrates into paranoia. | :10:54. | :11:00. | |
This Conservative MSP is calling for us to think more kindly about | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
Macbeth. By feel Shakespeare has maligned Macbeth. If you look at | :11:04. | :11:12. | |
the history, you will discover his reign was a peaceful one. Scotland | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
enjoyed a degree of prosperity under him. There was a rarity 1,000 | :11:17. | :11:23. | |
years ago. Shakespeare's Macbeth has been re-imagined many times. A | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
leading academic has written extensively on what history tells | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
us about the real Macbeth. Shakespeare was extreme impressive | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
in portraying this man who is quite ordinary at the beginning but then | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
turns into retirement. He was somebody who was not big, open to | :11:41. | :11:47. | |
new ideas, did not go into Northumberland raiding to keep his | :11:47. | :11:53. | |
own boys happy. He moved away from that. He was a great warrior and he | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
did kill Duncan. But that was in battle, not in his castle. It is | :11:58. | :12:05. | |
somebody that does not conform in the least to the image given by | :12:05. | :12:11. | |
Shakespeare. Aberdeenshire is where Macbeth died in battle. Apart from | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
a Macbeth pub, there is nothing tourism about it. Should we not be | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
cashing in on this? A visit Scotland says it welcomes anything | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
that promotes Scotland at a local and national level. Does it really | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
matter if he was a murderous her paranoid killer or a calm kind | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
King? Most of us can separate life from art. | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
I am joined now by Dr Paul Innes, who teaches English Literature at | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
Glasgow University and specialises in Shakespeare. And by Dr Simon | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
Taylor, who researches Scottish history and onomastics - that is | :12:43. | :12:51. | |
the study of names - also at Glasgow University. | :12:51. | :13:01. | |
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Did he kill anyone? Did he kill Duncan? Not personally, probably. | :13:02. | :13:08. | |
Duncan died in battle and they were fighting. That was not a | :13:09. | :13:16. | |
particularly unusual event. A bunker and was looking. And Macbeth | :13:16. | :13:23. | |
was his noble? -- Duncan was at the King. That is debatable. Macbeth's | :13:23. | :13:33. | |
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father and cousin working. The idea of making sure that was passed from | :13:33. | :13:41. | |
father to son did not exist. A he was still rebelling against the | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
chap who was the king? He would not see it as rebellion. What was | :13:48. | :13:57. | |
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Duncan and later Macbeth, what with a ruling? Regional warlords. They | :14:01. | :14:11. | |
were ruling making do more which is called a bar. -- ruling a kingdom. | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
They would not have controlled the Highlands and islands. They would | :14:15. | :14:23. | |
have controlled Lothian. It was the core of what became that England | :14:23. | :14:33. | |
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are a -- the kingdom of Scotland. Your idea is Shakespeare, it was | :14:42. | :14:52. | |
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translated into walls of the Roses type of stuff? Yes. It is not what | :14:52. | :14:58. | |
happened but that is what was written for the English readership. | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
Bear in mind, they were writing towards the end of what people | :15:03. | :15:08. | |
thought was the end of the reign of Queen Elizabeth. There is a | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
possibility you end up with a Scottish came on the throne of | :15:12. | :15:18. | |
England. Why portray Macbeth in such a bad way? If you are about to | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
have a Scot on the throne of England, why I wrote about -- quite | :15:22. | :15:30. | |
right about a villainous Scottish king? It is good box-office. Also, | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
the king who is about to become King of England and Scotland claims | :15:35. | :15:45. | |
descent from Banco, who Macbeth murders. In the play, not in | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
reality. I still do not quite get the idea... I know there was the | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
system of alternating Kings from different families. I do not get | :15:54. | :16:04. | |
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the idea, why would Macbeth not think of it as a rebellion? To cut | :16:06. | :16:13. | |
to the chase, Macbeth's main crime was he did not establish a dynasty | :16:13. | :16:23. | |
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that flourished. He was ousted from the throne by Duncan's son and | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
Malcolm founded a successful dynasty but stayed on the throne | :16:27. | :16:37. | |
for centuries. They had a vested interest in vilifying the death. | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
But Malcolm would have had as good a claim to the throne as Macbeth? | :16:42. | :16:50. | |
He did. I am sorry to keep going on about this but why it would Macbeth | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
see it as rebellion to be fighting against Duncan? But the idea of | :16:55. | :17:03. | |
kingship was so different then and the birth -- and the death, he was | :17:03. | :17:13. | |
the son of making as well. He was married to a member of Malcolm's | :17:13. | :17:20. | |
royal family. It looks like his wife, who has had was press, -- | :17:20. | :17:29. | |
worst press, we have evidence they were giving to the church, they | :17:29. | :17:38. | |
work -- she belonged to the mid-off Kindred. It is not a million miles | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
from Shakespeare. Look at the history. What are they concerned | :17:42. | :17:52. | |
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with? What does that mean to be making -- to be a king. There are | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
discontinuities in history. It is not a million miles away. They | :17:58. | :18:04. | |
logic is similar because what you have his cousin fighting over the | :18:04. | :18:14. | |
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kingship. It is similar to the walls of the Roses. It is a | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
powerful performance from Shakespeare that an English | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
audience can get a handle on. Shakespeare was picking up on bad | :18:26. | :18:33. | |
press Macbeth was getting that was Macbeth's main failure. Not that | :18:33. | :18:43. | |
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found a successful dynasty. Then he got the bad press. Is there any | :18:44. | :18:51. | |
point in the debilitating Macbeth? He does not sound like a stand-up | :18:51. | :18:57. | |
man. -- are rehabilitating. think he is crying out for it. | :18:57. | :19:07. | |
Macbeth appears, he was a Gallic Speaker, his name it means some of | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
life. Historians tend to write his name in the old way. I think we | :19:12. | :19:22. | |
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should start calling the King, a competent, very generous, a good | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
monarch, we call him by the Gallic name. And we call the Shakespeare | :19:27. | :19:34. | |
character Macbeth. So we can distinguish between them. A tourist | :19:34. | :19:43. | |
industry, will you have a sign saying saying nothing happened? | :19:43. | :19:51. | |
could bring the Normans in and build castles. The attraction of | :19:51. | :20:00. | |
Macbeth is the evil. People get confused if we are not even calling | :20:00. | :20:07. | |
him by the same name. Shakespeare's of birth is over 500 years since | :20:07. | :20:14. | |
the man it is based on. -- Shakespeare's Macbeth. There is a | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
lot of confusion in Shakespeare's sources and in Shakespeare's | :20:17. | :20:27. | |
portrayal. Could you give me a short answer to onomastics? Why is | :20:27. | :20:37. | |
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the geography... Why is the geography so good? Because it comes | :20:40. | :20:50. | |
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from Scottish sources. A great historian... Know, that is too long | :20:53. | :20:59. | |
an answer. The programme is about to finish. The sources for the | :20:59. | :21:07. |