10/06/2011 Newsnight


In-depth news analysis. Newsnight examines the Labour Party under Ed Miliband. How is he shaping up as a leader and what are his plans for the party? Presented by Emily Maitlis.

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Project Volvo was the name they gave Gordon Brown, David Cameron


was supposed to be the sports car, how will Ed Miliband define his


leadership, and where is he actually going?


More and more people are asking, in what direction is Ed Miliband


driving his party? Does anybody know? Does he even know?


The old infighting of new resurface, with the finger pointing Ed Balls,


what kind of team is this. We have a guru flown in to share


what he learned with Obama, and find out if Miliband is the right


man for the job. The outgoing senator reads NATO's


obituary. Future leaders may not consider America's investment in


NATO worth the cost. Thugs attacks demonstrator, we will


have the latest on state repression inside Syria. In the postmodern


scoop of the decade, Sarah Palin's entire e-mail records released to


the press, all 24,000 pages. We are joined from Alaska by one of the


poor hacks wading through T You don't have to have a car


attached to your name but it seems to go with the territory. Gordon


Brown was nicknamed Project Volvo, David Cameron was seen as the BMW.


After another week with Ed Miliband struggling to find his voice for


the leadership of Labour, maybe the car seems less relevant than the


entire direction of travel. Tonight, as revelations laid bare the part


Miliband's Shadow Chancellor played in the infighting of the Blair-


Brown years, we ask where Labour is heading, does Ed have plan, could


it involve something that sounds similar to the Tory's Big Brother


society. It must have been a relief for Ed Miliband to return to his


Doncaster constituency today. He's not had a good week.


What's with the IMF backing the Government's economic policy. His


own poor showing at Question Time, and today, the Telegraph reopening


old Labour sores, by publishing papers once kept by Ed Balls, which


show the effort that is the Brownites made to oust Tony Blair.


I think what you are seeing is an overhyped version of ancient


history, the era of Blair and Brown is over, we are a party looking


outwards to the country, not looking inwards and talking to


ourselves, that is the way it will be under my leadership. Today the


cabinet secretary, Sir Gus O'Donnell, started an inquiry


whether the papers were leaked from the education department, where Ed


Balls thinks he last had them when he was schools secretary.


The documents show how in July 2005, while London was reeling from


terrorist bombs and attempted attack, Brown and his allies were


planning, plotting maybe, how he could replace Mr Blair. But Ed


Balls today denied any plot. The allegation that there was a


plot, that there was nastiness, that brutality, it is not true, it


is not justified either by a reading of the documents which I


saw last night, or by what was happening at the time.


Indeed many Labour supporters fear pick and mix, just about sums it up,


that Mr Miliband's party lacks distinctiveness, coherence and


impact. Where better to discuss whether Labour's got the right


ticket, than the London Transport Museum. Increasingly people both


within and outside the Labour Party are asking, in what direction is Ed


Miliband taking his party? Has he ditched new Labour. Is he


now Red Ed taking his party to the left, or has he embarked on some


other journey all together. Both Tony Blair and David Cameron, in


their first few months as leader of the opposition, made bold


pronouncements, giving us some idea of their ultimate destinations. In


Blair's case, the ditching of Clause IV, with David Cameron, it


was those pictures with huskies and the famous "hug a hoodie" speech.


Labour blogger, Dan Hodges, worries Ed Miliband has made no such


symbolic gesture. He's just leaving people rather confused. The problem


is there are several Ed Milibands floating around. The one standing


around at the Labour Party Conference, and then the Ed


Miliband saying Ken Clarke should resign on the film sensorsing, that


is confusing for the public, he has to explain who he is. People see


all the different Ed Milibands floating around, all they know,


indeed all of them, have slightly strange voices and look slightly


strange and indeed, stab their brother in the back, and he has to


explain to the country who he is, before he can start to explain


where he's going. Many of those who backed David


Miliband fear the younger brother has been too ready to abandon Tony


Blair, new Labour and all that. Though, this Blairite says that is


not so. I don't think he has ditched new Labour, he talks


constantly about the squeezed middle, those people who are


feeling very, very under pressure because of the recession, but also


because of things like the VAT rise, which the Tories introduced. He is


the one who is trying to put himself on the side of those


majority of people who have really lost out over the last few years,


not the rich, who are gaining from big bonuss in the city, and not


those who - bonuses in the city, and not those who are unemployed


and on benefit, but those in work and struggling. Some of those


advising Ed Miliband want him to follow Barack Obama's lead, and


encourage organisation among small communities. Labour's biggest


community champion, perhaps, is Morris Glassman, guru of so-called


Blue Labour, and a not wholly hostile response to David Cameron's


Big Brother society. When Barcelona beat Manchester United in the


European Cup Final, what you saw was two different models of


globalisation, Manchester United, very new Labour, very financed base,


very corporate, where you have the glaze glaze family, who own it,


where the family are entirely he is stranged from the company. All the


love that Manchester United fans feel for their club, can only be


expressed through money. What we say in Blue Labour, there is more


than just the price, Barcelona is owned by the fans, they elect the


President, they are actively involved in the governance of the


club, they have an institute in the club that actually promotes virtue


and excellence, with the training of the players. This is something


that all Manchester United fans can relate to, there is great


traditions in the club, and Barcelona did it, the incredible


thing is they are more successful globally. The danger is, if


Miliband doesn't come up with something more forceful,


distinctive and appealing, he may not last. How long has he got to


prove himself? I think he has until next year. We have got the


elections in London, I think, people will be looking for success


in those elections. If he's not cutting through there and seeing


significant and steady opinion poll leads there, then I think he has a


political problem. It depends on Ken Livingston, really? It does.


Before that, Miliband's direction should become much clearer, we're


assured, this autumn, once he gets results from the big reviews he has


set up on Labour policy and organisation.


Tomorrow's Guardian offers an insight as to what David Miliband


might have said as leader in place of his brother. This time is


excruciating from Ed Miliband, what are you drawing from it? It is the


speech that David Miliband would have given at the Labour conference


if he was elected leader. My question is has this been pumped


out by an ally of David Miliband in order to take the deficit more


seriously, or alternatively, the Guardian's attempt to have their


own leak, to trump the Ed Balls leak, of his stuff, in the


Telegraph, yesterday and some more of it tomorrow. The interesting


thing about what David Miliband would have said is that he would


have announced that Alistair Darling, he would be appointed to


head a new Labour commission to draw up new rules on public


spending, he would have told the conference that it should have been


Labour that set up the office of bugetry responsibility, rather than


the current coalition. He would have argued that the deficit is the


biggest argument in politics, the biggest danger for us, George


Osborne says we're in denial about the deficit because he wants us to


be, so let's not be, it is a test. The party will only be trusted,


David Miliband would have told the conference, when we show in word


and deed that the alternative to mean Government is lean Government.


Nordz Labour should have faced the deficit issue head - in other words,


Labour should have faced the deficit issue head-on. A key ally


of Ed Miliband, conducting an internal review of the party, Arnie


Graf who worked with Obama in the past, and Elizabeth Truss, a


political strategist. We want to look at the future of Labour, that


is why we are here? I hope so. all this talk of a new generation,


as we have seen, we are rather back in the past, we have loads of


Labour supporters looking at what David Miliband might have said if


he were Labour leader instead of his brother. We have some looking


ahead to see what Ed Balls might do to Ed Miliband. It is not great


place for the Labour Party to be? No, the Westminster village, of


which you are part, is stuck in the past, looking at documents that


have been leaked five, six years old, and more. That's all the past.


What Ed Miliband is doing, and what I'm doing in the refounding Labour


project, which he is leading s to look to the future, to make sure we


have a Labour Party able to cope with the politics of today, which


are very, very different from even five or six years ago, with the new


social media, with people not joining parties any more, to the


same extent, any political party, with people relating to politics in


an entirely different way. The need to reach out of our party


structures and organise in the community, and where we have done


that, like in Edgbaston, in Oxford East and other constituencies, we


resisted the national swing, which should have swept the seats aside,


like more than 100 Labour MPs were swept away by the national swing.


All that have is energy for future, and policies that are coming


through, Ed Miliband is already commanding that agenda on the


squeezed middle and a couple of other issues. He couldn't define


the squeezed middle, it ended up being 90% of the population? I it


can tell us what it is, it is not the rich at the top or the poor on


benefit, it is great many hard working people hit by high tuition


fee, VAT increase, rises in electricity bills, rises in


unemployment, and those job security, insecurity is rife, and


there are attack ones the health service with the back door


privatisation and attacks on the schools system. We know that Ed


Miliband had enormous difficulty defining what that was. We have had


two dozen policy revue, including to quote "X factor for the many not


the view", we have follows showing he has dipped consistently below


his own party. Unable to capitalise on the Tory u-turns because he's


accused of them himself. He's losing a message here. The latest


polls show our lead over the Tories increasing. Ed Miliband is at the


beginning of his leadership, he's relatively unknown, he's


establishing himself, as he does so he will win more and more


popularity. 5,000 new members have joined the Labour Party in the - 6


5,000 new members have joined the Labour Party under his leadership.


We are gaining members while most are losing them. By this reform


programme, that is energiseing the grassroots of the party, there is a


world of difference from the Westminster village and gossip


around old memos and so forth. And to the Labour Party who is looking


to fight this very right-wing Tory Government. You have been flown in


by Ed Miliband and the team. If things are as good as Peter Hain


says, why are they turning to you, why do they need you? I think what


Ed said to me is that what he's trying to do is build a politics


that's from the bottom up. That politics has been essentially


practised by all parties, more from the top down. He was impressed that


our organisation in Baltimore, I work for the Industrial Areas


Foundation, the organisation is called Build, they had developed


the living wage concept and got the first living wage law passed in


Baltimore. That came not from a policy think-tank, but me and my


colleagues, and leaders doing hundreds and hundreds of individual


meetings with low-wage workers who are saying they can't live on a


minimum wage, they need a wage that they can live on. We came up with


the concept of living wage, which Ed supports. In terms of how that


translates here today, I know you spent the day with Ed Miliband, you


are in done caster, you know the UK pretty well know, with what has


been your clearest, your most fundamental message for him as


leader now? I travelled 14 cities in the UK and in 17 days. I met


with over 510 people, both in the voluntary sector and connected to


Labour. What I would say to Ed is there is ener gee in the party


locally, that is - ener gee in the party locally that is ready to go


out and get it. What I found most in this country is people are


anxious, they are anxious about the next generation. They are anxious,


will there children be able to go to school. They are anxious about


their own employment, but they are very anxious about the future of


their children. Let's just turn to Elizabeth Truss, this talk of


harnessing the potential of the volume steer must sound very


familiar to you. - volunteer, must sound very familiar to you, it is


The Big Idea society by another name? There is some of the same


elements, there is a rejection of the top-down state. The idea that


the Government can do everything, that all you have to do is pour in


more money, then you will be successful. What I think about the


Labour project so far is it does seem to be an element of talking to


themselves. What we saw in the AV referendum is a small group of


people in the centre of London, in Oxford and Cambridge, voting yes to


AV, the so-called progressive majority, somewhere like Doncaster


voting 75% against. There is a sense in which Labour has got out-


of-touch with its own supporters, and with the aspirations of


ordinary people in Britain. Particularly on issues like


education, which has just been talked about. There has been a


failure to back policies like academies, and the English


baccalaureate, that will raise performance in schools and bring


people in the next generation forward. So essentially wasting


your time on the wrong projectss that don't connect with people's


real needs? What we are doing is making sure under Ed Miliband that


Labour is really in touch with people. It is only a year since we


got our second worst result. Since universal sufferage, it was a


terrible result in the last general election. We have already bounced


back, far more securely than in any comparable period, 1983 I think


back to. We were flat on our backs in 1983. We have a growing


confidence in the Labour Party, and a real determination to fight a


Government that was never having a mandate, as the Archbishop said,


the Archbishop of Canterbury said, for these kind of right-wing


policies, which are deeply unpopular which are causing great


insecurity and are damaging the economy as well, and causing


unemployment to rise, and actually causing the deficit to rise as well.


Let's naut to Arnie Graf, what do you think - let's put that to Arnie


Graf what do you think a centre left party should be offering in


2011. You worked with Obama as a young man in the past, do you see


the same messages and the same elements applying here now?


actually, I don't think Obama's running his presidency as a left of


centre person. My interest in and the reason I responded to Ed


Miliband, and I believe he is an authentic centre to left person,


that's the reason I took an unpaid leave of absence to come here. I


hear him talking about income and equality, where the 5% or the 2%


make a huge amount of money, and the rest don't. I hear him talking


about responsibility and reciprocity, I hear him talking


about, today in Doncaster, and I believe him when he says he's


looking for real citizenship. That is a citizen is not a person


treated like a customer, as the market does, or as a client, that


often time the state does. That is interesting. What is the vision


here, is it this phrase we're now getting used to, Blue Labour, the


idea of the actism, the community, is that where - activism, the


community, is that where you are going now? What Ed Miliband is


determined to do is not rush into policies in a situation that may be


totally different from what it is in three-and-a-half years time in


the run up to a general election. So, yes, the Blue Labour critique


is something he's interested in and listening to, it is stressing the


importance of community, the fact that people are feeling very


insecure when their local post offices close, their pubs close,


their way of life seems to be swept aside in a materialist free market


frenzy that this Government is encouraging. It doesn't mean to say


Blue Labour is our masthead, it is just part of a debate. You have Red


Toryism, is Philip Blonde suggesting anything so different


for you? If I could make a point about the way Labour are


approaching t they are bringing in academics and people from outside.


Ed Miliband himself is the son of an academic, there seems to be a


very narrow group of people in the Labour Party than there was


previously were they had broader representation from working people


who had got into the Labour Party. Now it does seem to be very


academically focused, it is focused on thinking about these ideas,


rather than actually talking to people, the real people in Britain,


who represent these aspirations. I think when the Conservative Party


really started to get a grip and get out of opposition, it was when


we went out and listened to what real people were saying, rather


than having these senior common room discussions about political


philosophy. I think you know, Ed Miliband is in danger of coming


across like, that rather than coming across as someone who can


talk human, which was always meant to be his advantage over his


brother. Too much ideology, and less


practical hands-on understanding? No, I don't agree. I mean I think


that what I have seen out in the country, I visited, I counted it up,


511 people, in 14 cities in 17 days, I immersed myself in the country.


Whether it was Scotland or Wales or all over the country. I find in


Labour a lot of activism, it is not the kind of activism and work that


gets picked up by the national media, but I was on council estates,


where there is a wonderful councillor, Labour councillor, gene


Hutchins, who for four years, worked with the people in thes


state, to clean up the gang activity, she did it, even though


her life has been threatened numerous times, there is security


cameras on her home. When I was on the estate she had two policemen


working with her. These are the individual stories of courage, can


they be knitted together under the personality and leadership of


somebody like Ed Miliband? Absolutely, I don't think he would


send me out in a blank slate, completely trusting that I would go


out and talk with people, no particular agenda, to get a pulse,


to get a feel, and you know, all I would say, back to the Conservative


Party is if you cut the police the way you are requiring it to, and


you call it The Big Idea society, if you eadvise rate the state, you


are going to - eviseate about people without the police. To the


Robert Gates said NATO declared the real possibility of a dim and


dismal future. He said Americans would be less


willing to support an organisation, whose partners, Europe, were


unhappy to donate their resources to the organisation.


Has it galvanised other countries in NATO to contribute to


organisations. Which way will this go? This wasn't a take this job and


shove it speech, it wasn't even a take this western alliance and


shove it. It was him saying, frankly there are plenty of people


in Washington who have concluded it's time to take the western


alliance and shove it. The bugetry context is overwhelming, there are


plans to cut $400 billion out of the US defence budget over the next


few years. He was saying effectively to the rest of NATO,


the free ride is over, this is a turning point in history, here's


the flavour. The blunt reality is there will be dwindling appetite


and patience in the United States Congress and in the American body


politic writ large, to spend increasingly precious funds on


behalf of naits that are apparently unwilling to devote the necessary


resources or make the necessary changes to be serious and capable


partners in their own defence. So the message was, in a long line


of American defence secretaries, who have warned NATO about this


issue of burden sharing who does what, how much of the burden is


carried, but in a completely different sort of context, a par


dime shift, if you like, - pardigm shift, if you like, that these


bugetry realities make it a different game. He singled out


Libya, symptomatic of the failings? The point he was making about Libya


and Afghanistan, this is not a devisive war, it is something the


whole alliance has agreed is a good and proper thing to do, to support


the opponents of Colonel Gaddafi, and yet look at who actually


delivers what towards that end? So, for example, 28 countries in NATO,


how many of them are actually involved in the operations to


secure the no-fly zone and whittle down Colonel Gaddafi's forces. The


number involved in the operation as a whole is only half the alliance,


14, some of those like Greece, it is basically providing facilities


who are actually flying the combat sort at thiss, bombing - sorties,


bombing Colonel Gaddafi's forces, eight of those, even the capability


of some of those is very small, like Norway, just a few aircraft.


He's saying everything has been whittled down to such a point, this


is the limit of what NATO can provide. Even those countries that


have the political will and capability, like the UK, and the


advanced weapons to use, in a precision way to take out targets


like Colonel Gaddafi's force, if he look at, for example, a weapon like


the Brimstone missile, which the RAF has been using, after a few


weeks of that, we can see one of those knocking out a Libyan tank a


few weeks ago. After a few weeks of that the UK was running out of the


missiles. Even the countries on the American good guy list haven't


invested enough historically. He was saying, there is a generational


shift going on in politics in Washington, and this simply won't


wash any more. Future US political leaders, those


form whom the Cold War was not the formative experience it was for me.


May not consider the return on American investment in NATO worth


the cost. What I have sketched out is the real possibility for a dim,


if not dismal future for the transatlantic alliance. Such a


future is possible, but it is not inevitable. If this is the rattling


of a tin, cough up for NATO will suffer. How many of the member


states will listen and commit more? Just as you were talking about the


retreat of Big Brother society, and big Government in the UK. It is


accepting that in situations like Syria, 25 people apparently killed


by Mr Al-Assad's security forces there. Tanks moving into the town


of Al-Shughour, reports unconfirmed of attack helicopters being used


against crowds in one place. But things like this will become more


and more common place, the political will isn't there, the UK-


US UN resolution supposed to be voted on today has stalled, lack of


will, the military capability isn't there, crucially the international


community will be reduced to hand wringing and phrases from the side


Journalists collected 75,000 pages of Sarah Palin's u mails. The boxes


were released only after much resistance from officials. It shows


her e-mail account at the time of the election, and when she was


picked to be John McCain's running mate. The interest is huge, but


does any of it shed new light on Palin. One of the poor hacks whose


job it is to trail through the papers is with us now.


Good of you to join us, has it been worth it so far? You have to say it


is pretty early doors. We have six enormous boxes. I felt most of this


morning like a furniture removal guy, carrying these boxes round,


which is the new version of multitasking. They are 2 4,000


pages of the documents, we have started to plough our way through


them, we are at the very beginning, so far a lot of smoke and not yet


the smoking gun. We are waiting to find that key bit of information


that we didn't know yet about Sarah Palin. How do you do that, 24,000


pages. Presumably there is the kind of round-Robin e-mail joke taking


up half of it? There is a lot of pad anything there. Quite a lot of


it is actually deeply dull. There have been some interesting things


coming out so far. We are doing it scatter gun at the moment,


hopefully we will enlist read Tories help us. It is very Alaskan


this, they had digital e-mails, they had to print them out on paper


and hand them on the paper, saying they didn't have the technology to


give us discs. Now we have been busy scanning them back in again


into digital form. By the end of today and early tomorrow, we should


have them all up on the website, we are going to ask our readers to


help us find the very best bits. What are your top favourites so far.


Talk us through what you have found that caught your fancy? You have to


say so far it has been quite Alaskan. My favourite document so


far is this one, in which Sarah Palin is invited to join a public


education campaign about bears in Alaska, teaching people about the


safety around bears. So that's one thing. She also got very worried


about tanning. She bought a tanning bed for the governor's mansion, she


was very distressed when the local paper found out about it, she


wanted to know how they got the information and what were the staff


going to do about it. Quite Sarah Palinesque, some of it, she talks


about asking God for guidance on how to push through the budget,


which is slightly worrying, and she is very Palinesque language, she


talks about "unflipping believable" and "bs", which I'm sure you know


what that is. Let me just quickly run you through


That's it for tonight. We leave you with a tribute to the wisdom of


baseball legend and fill loss fear Yogey Bear, who said it ain't over


# So many tears I've cried # So much pain inside


# Baby it ain't # Over till


Newsnight examines the Labour Party under Ed Miliband. How is he shaping up as a leader and what are his plans for the party? Leaked documents which detail efforts by Gordon Brown and his allies to speed up Tony Blair's exit from office after the 2005 election have emerged, reminding us of former divisions in the party. Can Ed Miliband unify his troops and outline a convincing vision for Labour? And how can Labour learn from community activism in the US?

Presented by Emily Maitis.

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