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The President of Syria claims he's open to reform, and no-one but his | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
supporters believes him. With independent foreign reporters | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
banned, we go inside Syria undercover, and find a protest | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
movement that believes there is no going back, the dictatorship has to | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
fall. We find out what life is like inside the country. We talk to one | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
of Al-Assad's ministers about how he's a much misunderstood man. Also | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
tonight: Lots of different bikini waxing and | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
intimate waxing that cover all sorts of styles that cover hair or | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
diamantes. What makes a woman decide her | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
natural body hair is something to get rid of. How do you become a | :00:52. | :00:59. | |
feminist in a highly sexual ised society. Our guests talk porn, | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
butic about hair and who's exploiting who. | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
Facing another four years in the wilderness, the Labour Party casts | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
about for a big idea and comes up with something called Blue Labour, | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
the man behind the philosophy face as critic from the Labour front | :01:14. | :01:23. | |
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bench. If the President of Syria thought a | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
few words about his regime, being mother and father to the people, | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
would persuade the world he's not a tyrant, he was wrong. The European | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
Union said vague talk about possible reform wasn't enough, and | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
plans more sanctions. There is noticably no talk of military | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
action. In a minute we will talk to Sue Lloyd Robert who is has just | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
come back from Syria where she was undercover. First our diplomatic | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
editor? What did he say? This is the third speech he has made since | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
the crisis started. To our eyes his performance in the speech ace peers | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
a little surreal. He wants - appears a little surreal. He wants | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
to radiate the man in control, he smiles and makes an effort to looks | :02:09. | :02:16. | |
a possible - to looks a calm as possible. He referred to the | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
opponents of the regime as saboteurs, he said he wasn't going | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
to dwell on. That he added this thought. TRANSLATION: What do we | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
say about this media and political pressure, what about the advanced | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
phone West see spread across Syria, what do we say about all the | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
falsification we have seen. We can't say it is a charitable cause, | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
that is conspiracy, and we won't waste our time on it. | :02:43. | :02:49. | |
So, he sketched out the conspiracy he has mentioned before "new | :02:49. | :02:58. | |
technology", "new media" all of. That he went on to open a new | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
nuanced idea, he appeared to extend a hand to the Muslim Brotherhood, | :03:03. | :03:09. | |
he talked about when we were violently suppressed in the past, | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
very rare to hear that from a leader like this. There seems to be | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
a reaction to pressure from Turkey in particular, he seemed to be | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
trying to create the impression that he had been involved in a | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
wide-ranging consultation with the Syrian people and he had learned a | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
lot along the way. TRANSLATION: covered many topic, some were local | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
issues, some national, my priorities are topics that affect | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
the vast majority of people. The people have expressed, in their | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
meetings, their anger, mixed with love, because they felt their | :03:42. | :03:49. | |
country had strayed away from them. Either through some policy, or some | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
practices. I have seen much suffering, some to do with income, | :03:52. | :04:00. | |
and standards of living, and some to do with dignity of citizens. | :04:00. | :04:06. | |
have the people of Syria reacted to this speech? We have got used to | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
the fact that Friday is the main day for demonstration, because | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
people naturally congregate in mosques throughout this trouble in | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
Siria. But the President's speech actually managed to create massive | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
demonstrations on a Monday. There were extensive demonstrations in | :04:20. | :04:26. | |
Damascus, as we can see from the Vic tures, and also in the - the | :04:26. | :04:32. | |
picture, also in the port cities. People seemed angered at the term | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
"somebodyures" to describe the opposition. What about | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
international reaction to the speech? The international community | :04:38. | :04:43. | |
is in a difficult and interesting position, we know attempted to get | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
a new UN Security Council measure through have faltered because of | :04:47. | :04:53. | |
China and Russia. The EU is looking at new sanctions against Syria, we | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
have been talking about that today. They would aim to wind up the | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
economic pain. We also know that Turkey, that considers itself to | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
have given President Assad quite a few chances is considering more | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
robust action. The conservative interpretation is they want to send | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
troops to seal the border with Syria to stop the refugees coming | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
across. Syria has said it will use its troops to seal the border. | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
There are also rumours flying about the Middle East that Turkey would | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
like to enter Syria and create some sort of safe haven or buffer zone | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
there. Finding out what's happening in Syria is no easy matter, western | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
journalist business and large have been prevented from openly | :05:35. | :05:42. | |
reporting from Syria, Sue Lloyd Roberts has been in Damascus | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
undercover, what is it like? Very tense, there is paranoia among the | :05:46. | :05:52. | |
security force, that makes it very difficult for ordinary people, | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
doubly difficult for a foreigner, we are all considered a spy. Anyone | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
found carrying a camera, it is similar to carrying hard drugs or a | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
gun in this country, it could end you up in prison. It is difficult. | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
How representative were the people you met? I met a good | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
representation of people, from opposition MPs, to students and | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
young people out on the streets. The first clip we will show is of | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
the grand old man of the Syrian opposition. | :06:22. | :06:30. | |
After all that happened, after 1,300 at least, lost their lives, | :06:30. | :06:37. | |
for the revolution, and after 1,000 injured, and tens of thousands | :06:37. | :06:46. | |
arrested, and now we say there is no way to go back to the old | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
situation. Syria is belonging to the Syrians, Syria does not belong | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
to the Al-Assad family. This, let's say, the Al-Assad family, forever, | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
should have been stopped. It is enough. The Syrians would never | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
accept it any more. Riad Seif, who has been campaigning for a | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
democratic Syria for decades. But as he points out, after all the | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
sacrifice, he's saying now there is really no going back. I spoke to | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
very ordinary people, our next clip is from a mother who simply is | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
fighting for a Syria in which she wants her daughter to grow up. | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
TRANSLATION: I don't want my daughter to grow up like I did, | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
having always to say something in one place, something else in | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
another. I want her to be free. I want her to say what she wants, | :07:34. | :07:44. | |
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where she wants, when she wants. My daughter watches the TV, and she | :07:45. | :07:53. | |
hears us chanting, "people want the downfall of the regime ". In her | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
innocence, she repeated this in school, and the teacher got really | :07:56. | :08:02. | |
angry, and shouted at her, and told her she had to praise the President. | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
She was upset and confused. That woman, like many people I | :08:08. | :08:13. | |
interviewed had her back to the camera. She was one of the street | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
protestor, she says all she would like to do is to be able to talk to | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
people, in front of cameras, to talk to the world. She was in | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
hiding like many of the people I spoke to. From what you saw of | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
people in Damascus, is Al-Assad's speech going to be enough? They | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
won't be at all impressed. He has made such promised before, they | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
come to nothing. People say they will fight to the end now. When I | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
said who is winning, without a moment's hesitation the people said | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
the people are. There is no going back, they are going to bring this | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
regime back down. Thank you very much. | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
Tomorrow, you will see Sue's full report from inside Al-Assad's Syria. | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
A short while ago I spoke to President Assad's political adviser | :08:59. | :09:06. | |
from Damascus. Why are there so many unhappy | :09:06. | :09:12. | |
people in Syria? Well, to my view today, many people were very happy | :09:12. | :09:19. | |
with the speech of the President. It laid down a vision for a new | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
Syria, for political participation, for national dialogue, for | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
reviewing or reviewing the constitutions. I think it depends | :09:29. | :09:34. | |
who you are covering, if you cover the whole people of Syria, or the | :09:34. | :09:39. | |
two sides of the spectrum, you will see that many people are happy. | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
you saying there are no demonstrations taking place, no | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
killings taking place, no refugeesing fleeing the country? | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
I'm not saying - refugees fleeing the country? I'm not saying there | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
is nothing like that. But I'm saying the President distinguished | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
very clearly between demonstrators who have legitimate rights and | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
groveances on the one hand, and between armed people, who are | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
killing, not only ordinary citizen, but even military and police | :10:09. | :10:16. | |
personnel. We have lost so far over 4 Hun military and police personnel | :10:16. | :10:26. | |
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due - 4 Hun military and police personal. There seems to have about | :10:33. | :10:39. | |
the lost of 1,400 people, who did most of the killing? The President | :10:39. | :10:45. | |
has said today the loss of one soul is too much, and no person is | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
guilty of killing Syrian, we discovered a huge amount of | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
armments, we discovered terrorist and armed groups in the country. By | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
the way, this has nothing to do with the demonstrators and with the | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
legitimate rights of the Syrian people, which are acknowledged and | :11:02. | :11:12. | |
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which have become the guideline for the movement ahead. Can we continue | :11:13. | :11:19. | |
the question of who killed all the people, 1,400 people dead, how many | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
people have been arrested for the murders? Tens of people have been | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
arrested, some people have been brought to court, some people are | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
still being investigated. We are trying to get all the help we can | :11:33. | :11:39. | |
from the Syrian people to bring everybody to task. It is our | :11:39. | :11:48. | |
interest, it is again our values to have people killed in such numbers. | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
In the particularly well known case of the 13-year-old boy, from the | :11:52. | :11:58. | |
village of Sidon, this is a boy abducted whose body was returned to | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
his family about two weeks, it was covered in burns, it was shot in | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
each arm and his penis had been cut off, who do you suspect was | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
responsible for that? I'm sorry to say that the legal doctor in Syria | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
and all the investigations proved that the stories promoted by | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
multinational media was very far from the truth. The boy was killed | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
on a demonstration, he was not abducted, he was collateral damage | :12:29. | :12:37. | |
on the street, and the story that the international media marketed | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
has absolutely nothing to do with the truth of what happened, and we | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
have a DVD, if you are interested, to send to the BBC about the true | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
story of the child. We put it on our national television five times | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
at least. As you know, the family have posted | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
a video of the body, and it shows a body that clearly had been | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
subjected to torture, are you saying that was fictional was it? | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
No, it wasn't the family who posted that video, the family met with | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
President Assad, and met with the Syrian authorities, and they be a | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
solved themselves from all the stories that were fabricated about | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
the boy. Now going back to the President's speech today, in which | :13:21. | :13:29. | |
he promised reform, how will we know this reform has happened? | :13:29. | :13:36. | |
you would be kind enough to read the entire speech. I have done so | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
I'm asking you how we will know the reform has happened? Well, because | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
the President has laid down what are the things that should be done. | :13:45. | :13:53. | |
He has said that national dialogue is the title of the stage, and we | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
will have the law for political parties, electoral law, new media | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
law, we will review and rewrite the constitution, if needed, all this | :14:02. | :14:07. | |
will be done by the national dialogue, with the time frame, that | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
President Assad said all it should be achieved by the end of the year. | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
By the end of the year you would know that all these things had been | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
achieved. Can you imagine a Syria whose President is not a member of | :14:19. | :14:26. | |
the Al-Assad family? Of course I can. Not a member of the Ba'ath | :14:26. | :14:32. | |
Party? Of course I can. When we are heading for multipolitical party | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
system, we are heading for democracy, we're heading for | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
political participation, anyone who is elected by the Syrian people | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
could be the President of Syria. despite the fact that in the past | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
he has promised reform and it hasn't happened, this time he's | :14:48. | :14:54. | |
serious, is he? In the past he was serious too, but the steps that | :14:54. | :15:01. | |
were taken were not noticed or were not seen to be effective. This time | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
the President, if you read his speech, he has spoken about his | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
meeting with thousands of Syrian people. The President said this has | :15:08. | :15:13. | |
been the most important experience, because we know now the weaknesses | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
and the loopholes in our political, economic and social system, it is | :15:17. | :15:24. | |
certainly in our interests and our desire to address these weaknesses | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
and loophole, this is what we are going to do. Would you say your | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
President was loved by the people? I would. I mean, you don't have to | :15:32. | :15:38. | |
have 100%, you know, all Presidents in all democracies are elected by | :15:38. | :15:45. | |
50 or 60%. I would say our President has a larger margin than | :15:45. | :15:52. | |
this. Loved by about 90% of the people perhaps? Let's say 51, | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
that's enough to be elected! Thank you very much indeed. | :15:55. | :16:01. | |
Thank you. Now, if it was ever true, as Tammy | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
Wynette sang, that sometimes it is hard to be a woman, it is true no | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
longer. Difficulty seems to be a permanent condition. Expected to | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
work like men, but to present themselves for sex as hairless as a | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
child, to see their children brought up in a highly sexualised | :16:16. | :16:22. | |
environment, some how to be mother, breadwinner and porn star, it may | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
not be as oppressive before the days of gender equality, it is | :16:26. | :16:33. | |
certainly more confusing. # Got to do my best to please her | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
# Just because she's a living doll When TV images first invaded our | :16:38. | :16:44. | |
living rooms, it was all so nice. There had been mixed reviews ever | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
since. Last Thursday evening we sat as a family and we saw a programme | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
that started at 6.35, it was the dirtiest programme that I have seen | :16:53. | :17:03. | |
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for a very long time. # Ladies here we go | :17:05. | :17:11. | |
We can guess what steely and shockable Mary Whitehouse would | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
have made of all this, a wallpaper of sexual images that surround | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
children, said the latest report, hopefully suggesting ways to turn | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
off the perceived tide of filth. Although he's fighting wars abroad, | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
on this point the Prime Minister is doing battle at home. | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
You can't cut kids off from the modern world, no-one should try, we | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
can help parents to stop their children having inappropriate | :17:38. | :17:46. | |
things put in front of them at too early an age. | :17:46. | :17:53. | |
Sex has always sold. Spare rib feminists railed at male advertiser | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
who is use such images to flog all and Sunday dree item, but who | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
should they target now, when women themselves embrace the look once | :18:02. | :18:07. | |
confined to the top shelf, but now for sale on the high street. It has | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
always been there, and started to filter into every day life probably | :18:11. | :18:17. | |
more and more. As one thing becomes more acceptable, then it is | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
skreeping up to the next level without - creeping up to the next | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
level without people notice - noticing it happening. It is like | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
films and special effects, it is not shocking because we are used to | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
seeing it, it is like the sexual imagery being portrayed in the | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
media today. There was no need for the watershed when the Palladium | :18:40. | :18:47. | |
starred in Sunday schedules. The modern day equivalent looks and | :18:47. | :18:53. | |
sounds very different. Has the media changed, or have women? There | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
is a new trend, rapidly growing in popularity, which I had not heard | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
of until this morning. But I'm going to get to the heart of it. | :19:02. | :19:12. | |
Make that the bottom. This is the world of intimate | :19:12. | :19:17. | |
waxing, where boring old butic about hair is replaced with sparkly | :19:17. | :19:27. | |
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- butic about hair is replaced with sparklely jewels. | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
If I walked through the door and asked to be have a jazzled, what | :19:32. | :19:39. | |
would happen? You would - vajazzled, what would happen? You would go | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
into the treatment rooms and you would be given a black book which | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
has a number of descriptive types of waxing with pictures, that shows | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
you all types of styles. You would pick out the style that suits the | :19:52. | :19:59. | |
way you feel and your mood for the day, really. This intimate wax is | :19:59. | :20:09. | |
this about women being strong or weak? I don't think you can depict | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
it either or, it is a grooming regime women have undertaken over | :20:14. | :20:20. | |
the years. Who is it for? It is for mums, grandma, powerful women in | :20:20. | :20:27. | |
the boardroom. Is it for men? for men. Is it to please men? | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
certainly in some instances, women feel they prefer to be more well | :20:32. | :20:39. | |
groomed if they are going on their hot date. Let's see the | :20:39. | :20:47. | |
vaingjazling in action, Fiona is - vagjazzilng in action, Fiona is | :20:47. | :20:53. | |
giving it a go. We can't show you it, this is BBC Two! What brings | :20:53. | :21:00. | |
you here? It is a pain-free wax, it is nice for myself, clean and | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
hygienic, keeping clean for the beach and summer. Nice for your | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
husband? It is nice, but I do it for myself. One woman's treat is | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
another woman's cause for alarm? Control is the problem. Women are | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
always expected to be in control of their sexuality, some how present | :21:16. | :21:23. | |
themselves as sexually continent, actually, vaingjazling which is | :21:23. | :21:31. | |
what it has - vajazzling, is like a castration, you make it look like a | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
child's genitals and you put crystals on, it looks like you have | :21:35. | :21:40. | |
been prepped for surgery by Dr Bling. Assaulted by highly | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
sexualised images whilst beset by the same old issues, modern | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
feminism has been dismissed as paradoxical, perhaps that is why | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
the Slut Walks, marching across cities everywhere are getting | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
attention. They have given women a rallying cry. | :21:56. | :22:06. | |
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With us in the studio to discuss she is issues are my guests. | :22:14. | :22:20. | |
Why are women doing this? Can I say first of all I'm happy that he have | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
an episode of Newsnight where we are talking about women's John | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
Lewises with tiny jewel ones it, it is my favourite episode of | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
Newsnight already. That is saying something I bet! There is variety | :22:33. | :22:40. | |
of women doing this for different reasons, firstly fashion, if you're | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
bored, you see celebrities doing it. I find it odd you would remove your | :22:45. | :22:51. | |
pubic hair and carry a dog that looks like the pubic hair. My | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
personal idea is it is pornography, it is done for considerations of | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
lighting. If you have your pubic hair removed you can see things | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
better and it makes other things look bigger. Who is doing the | :23:02. | :23:08. | |
looking? The person who is viewing the pornography, it makes | :23:08. | :23:14. | |
everything clearer. This has come from pornography? The mainstreaming | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
of pornography over the last two decades has infiltrated almost | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
every aspect of our lives. From the way we keep fit through pole | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
dancing and the beauty regime that is women undertake. So removing | :23:28. | :23:35. | |
body hair and Jag jazzling, it is coming are from a porn - vajazzling | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
are coming from that place. Do you think it is wrong women choose to | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
shave off their pubic hair? It is wrong women live in a society where | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
we are compelled to do it. Are they compelled to do it? Speaking with | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
someone who has been with more an the average of men, I would say men | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
prefer a bit of hair. It is a lot of pressure that women are putting | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
on themselves rather than the men saying I want you to look porn | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
perfect. Even when I was working as a call girl, that was by no means | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
what everybody was doing. You would accept this is a practice which has | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
come from the pornography industry? That is where people see it for the | :24:14. | :24:21. | |
first time. But then, the sort of it creeping in other ways, you see | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
somebody after showers after sport, she has had it done, you think that | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
looks all right, I kind of like that. There also might be a status | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
thing, if you have the time and money to do that, it is like being | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
able to wear a very expensive car, you are walking around Virgin | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
Active saying I have the time and money to do that. Cars are | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
generally on display? It is a way of showing off. Who are you showing | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
off to? In a gym, if you are in a changing room and you see other | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
women have done it with that time. This isn't necessarily done for | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
men? For anyone going to see it. Double bubble or show off to ladies | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
that you have the time and money to this, and for men I watch | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
pornography. You find it impressive women do it? No it is a terrible | :25:06. | :25:11. | |
wast of time. Over the years from not waxs I have been able to save | :25:11. | :25:18. | |
up for a giant 3-DTV which gives me and my family pleasure. Is it | :25:18. | :25:24. | |
something women shouldn't do? don't believe anyone should not do | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
anything, I think the fact it is so common and so asthetically common, | :25:29. | :25:35. | |
they think they look lovely. object culture has had an effect on | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
women's self-esteem and how they value themselves. The effects are | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
felt across society, it is not just how women see themselves but how | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
boys see themselves. Boys are starting to treat, or expect them | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
to act like porn stars themselves, the expectation is there, that | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
women are all too aware of. There is a certain amount of boys are | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
very easily disabused of that notion once they start having | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
relationships with actual women. There is a certain amount of the | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
porn aesthetic we think of from the 80s and 90 of lollipop women with | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
the giant implants and fake tan. That is fantasy a boy has between | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
the ages of 12-15. When they get with real women, they want real | :26:15. | :26:21. | |
women. Can you give us examples of the way this sexualisation of | :26:21. | :26:26. | |
society can conditions how people behave? I actually think | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
sexualisation is the wrong word. That implies a broad term that | :26:29. | :26:35. | |
applies to both women and men. If we actually look closely, it is | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
dehumanised images of women and girls being treated as sex objects. | :26:39. | :26:44. | |
When you actually look at pornography itself, the ones that | :26:44. | :26:49. | |
are being dehumanised are the men as much as women. You don't see the | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
men's faces, they are a part for hire, you see the whole women, it | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
is not necessarily the way you want to see her, but the man really is | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
just the stunt part? Pornography is not nice, it doesn't portray anyone | :27:00. | :27:06. | |
in a nice way, we have to remember the pornography which plugs up the | :27:06. | :27:12. | |
Internet is relentlessly violent, relentlessly brutalised towards | :27:13. | :27:18. | |
women. There is a real danger of tarring all erotica with all porn. | :27:19. | :27:28. | |
So many poor arguments with "you Google the word X and therefore Y", | :27:28. | :27:32. | |
why not Google feminist porn. don't think that is the case. | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
Showing real women with real orgasams. | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
I don't have a problem with an overly sexualised society, it is | :27:41. | :27:48. | |
always the same kind of sex you see, very aggressive, American, west | :27:48. | :27:56. | |
coast skimpy dresses, if we had a widely oversexualised cardigan | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
culture it doesn't fit in with our country or broader notions. | :28:00. | :28:05. | |
don't have a problem with pornography per se? I think most of | :28:05. | :28:11. | |
it is boring. Do you worry about the way in which beyond strict | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
pornography, everything is, not everything, but there is so much | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
sexualisation in broader society? mean, I come from a rock and pop | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
background, it is very noticable that all the way through the 80s up | :28:24. | :28:33. | |
until the mid-90s women wore clothes. The fact is now Adele is | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
the only person wearing a sleeved dress in the 21st century. | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
making a very conscious statement? It is all that one kind of | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
sexuality, I sit down with my daughters I make them feel sorry | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
for them. We are sorry for them having to do their dances. | :28:48. | :28:54. | |
Where does this leave feminism in it this very much more sexualised, | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
apparently overtly sexualised society? Over the last five years | :28:58. | :29:04. | |
there has been a real resurge begins in feminist actism at a | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
grassroots levelment for many of the women coming on to the streets, | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
coming on to the street, it is the sex object culture being pushed in | :29:12. | :29:17. | |
their face, from the lads mags they can't avoid going into the local | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
shop. It really is hitting women extremely hard, and it is from that | :29:21. | :29:27. | |
we are seeing a real growth in actism. We have activist groups | :29:27. | :29:34. | |
spreading across the country. it something like a Slut Walk, you | :29:34. | :29:40. | |
can dress any way you like and be a feminist and still expect respect? | :29:40. | :29:49. | |
They are making a statement that no-one takes the fault if they are | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
raped. That is the fundamental message that women are sending out | :29:52. | :29:59. | |
when they go on the Marches. think it is the vajazzling is that | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
thing of one kind of sex, I'm going to straddle you and lap dance about | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
you, nobody will laugh about it, it will be serious and it will cost | :30:07. | :30:11. | |
money. If feminism is going to do anything t should bring the | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
humanity back into sex and the relationships of women. That is | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
where the current economic situation is an opportunity. All of | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
these big producers, the Playboys of the world, which everyone talks | :30:21. | :30:27. | |
about as if it is a giant industry, it is worth less than a tenth of | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
what Facebook is worth. It is dying a death, people don't want to pay | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
the money any more, for the small producer, those at home producing | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
their own porn. That's where it is really going to gain. That is what | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
people want, they don't want anonymous any more, they haven't | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
the cash to spend on it. I don't think that is the case, I think the | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
argument, the solution to the degrading body punishing | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
pornography we see on the internet is the so-called feminist porn, | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
that is a red herring, let's look at where the demand is, the demand | :30:58. | :31:03. | |
is for relentlessly aggressive and woman-hating pornography. I want | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
the statistics on this. On where the majority numbers are. That is | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
fine and a number of women's organisations would be happy to | :31:10. | :31:16. | |
that. Leaving aside whether it is female- | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
exploiting porn or what you call feminist porn, if you dislike it so | :31:20. | :31:24. | |
much what can you do about it? need to start challenging attitudes, | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
challenging young men and boys. Would you try to ban it? I think | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
what we don't know at the moment, we haven't had an open and honest | :31:31. | :31:37. | |
discussion about how you do actually regulate or anything to do | :31:37. | :31:42. | |
with pornography? The women is deciding this behind our backs. | :31:42. | :31:48. | |
have to talk to men and boys who themselves have said in a BBC that | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
they are worried about the pornography they are watching and | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
the images they are seeing, and they would like action around it. | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
It is coming from men and boys themselves. That is something | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
really important to remember in all of this and something on which we | :32:03. | :32:08. | |
probably all agree, men and boys are victimised by a lot of the same | :32:08. | :32:13. | |
imagery as people see as victimising women, it reduces human | :32:13. | :32:20. | |
desire down to a small thing, it is very orgasam focused, and finish | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
focused. It isn't just about the girls, it isn't just are girls | :32:23. | :32:29. | |
going out in sexy skirts r they asking for it. Them and their | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
vajazzling, boys feel a lot of pressure too, we have to consider | :32:32. | :32:37. | |
the wider picture. I can't believe sex ended up costing so much money. | :32:37. | :32:42. | |
Very often when I'm with my husband afterwards we can't believe how it | :32:42. | :32:47. | |
is free. You can't believe the massive industry about it, in the | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
book I have put it is like paying VAT on your vagina, boys aren't | :32:51. | :33:00. | |
having to do this, this seems unfair. We manage to make something | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
and money out of something that is free. Boys have the pressure to | :33:04. | :33:12. | |
look gym buffed and tanned. The Only Way Is Essex is not only about | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
women's body it is men. The industry got in the way, suddenly | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
this huge industry is in the way, you must dress like this and this | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
is how you have sex and how you will look at each and say these | :33:23. | :33:28. | |
things while having sex. People have forgotten how to natural low | :33:28. | :33:34. | |
have sex and copying it from pornography. I feel like that about | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
restaurant review, they have forgotten the pleasure of food. | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
are told the market brings options around sex, it gives us a really | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
restricted and demeaning view of sexuality, which is demeaning to | :33:45. | :33:50. | |
both women and men. What we really need to do is take sex back from | :33:50. | :33:58. | |
the pornographers and reclaim it from ourselves. And make it freaky, | :33:58. | :34:05. | |
and clown porn. I need to find better clown porn. | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
Thank you all very much. It is over a year since the Labour | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
Party lost power, years to go to the next shot at Government, but | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
despite the bad news the Government keeps laying on us, today it was a | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
raft of reforms to pensions, the Labour Party refuses to get any | :34:22. | :34:27. | |
more popular. How to turn things around? The fashionable idea at the | :34:27. | :34:32. | |
moment is Blue Labour, in a minute, Annabel Goldie, the man behind the | :34:32. | :34:41. | |
idea will face - the man behind the idea will face a Labour critic. | :34:41. | :34:46. | |
There is a sense of bravery and tragedy in our position, and that | :34:46. | :34:56. | |
:34:56. | :34:58. | ||
is one meaning of the word "blue", that links Davies with Picasso. | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
Maurice Glasman on Blue Labour. Ever since Ed Miliband's election | :35:02. | :35:08. | |
as lab leader, his party has been grappling with a distinctive | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
philosophy. Blue Labour is the most notable contribution to the debate, | :35:13. | :35:18. | |
causing controversy within the ranks. Maurice Glasman coined the | :35:18. | :35:25. | |
term as an obvious rejoinederism by Red Toryism brought in by Philip | :35:25. | :35:31. | |
Blond, and also in response to Cameron's Big Society. Glasman is | :35:31. | :35:36. | |
described as a Conservative with a small "c "style of Conservatism, | :35:36. | :35:43. | |
that aims to return the party to traditional roots in 1945 the year | :35:43. | :35:47. | |
before Labour's great election victory. He wants to get away from | :35:47. | :35:53. | |
Labour's old style of success. Glasman is highly regarded by the | :35:53. | :35:58. | |
Labour leader, and illustrate bid the fact that last autumn, to some | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
surprise, Ed Miliband made him a Labour peer. Blue Labour's ideas | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
are set out in this book, which is available only on the Internet, and | :36:05. | :36:15. | |
:36:15. | :36:17. | ||
called The Labour Tradition and The Politics Of Parodox. | :36:17. | :36:23. | |
A couple of other former cabinet ministers are quoted, along with | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
Tony Blair's former speech write. But there is also a contribution | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
from the left-wing Labour MP John Crudass. Ed Miliband endorsed the | :36:33. | :36:38. | |
book by writing a forward for it. In a speech last month, backed Blue | :36:38. | :36:43. | |
Labour even further. It goes to the heart of what Maurice Glasman calls | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
Blue Labour, some people have presented this as a nostalgic | :36:47. | :36:57. | |
:36:57. | :36:57. | ||
vision of the past, the Labour equivalent of warm beer, bicycling | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
maidens and for those who don't remember it was something John | :37:01. | :37:09. | |
Major said in the 1990s. It isn't, it is a sense of what we see in our | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
country, people being buffeted by the storm winds blowing through | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
their lives. As his new bride might have said, something old, something | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
new, something borrowed, something blue. | :37:19. | :37:25. | |
But many in the party are deeply suspicious of Maurice Glasman's | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
influence. With us now is the Shadow Minister | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
for prisons, Helen Goodman, who has written an essay attacking Blue | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
Labour, and the man behind it all, Maurice Glasman. | :37:37. | :37:43. | |
How would you describe it? It is traditional Labour, it puts | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
friendship, neighbourliness, hard work, a real commit to the care for | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
your family at the heart of the political agenda. What is your | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
problem with it? I think it is OK as far as it goes, but I think we | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
know that we need a lot more than neighbourliness and commitment | :37:58. | :38:06. | |
between our family. I think the rejection of 1945 is a really big | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
mistake. We better explain that. You are saying the fact that the | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
1945 Labour Government, which many in the movement consider to be the | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
greatest Labour Government of all time, actually wasn't a Blue Labour | :38:17. | :38:23. | |
thing at all? No that's the point. He's going right back to the | :38:23. | :38:29. | |
beginning, the 1890s, there were some valuable things, the Co-op | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
movement, very strong, there was a lot of really positive things in | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
1945. I think most people in Britain have family stories that | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
reinforce that. What was wrong with 1945? There were great things about | :38:42. | :38:47. | |
1945, I haven't said another thing. The problem was in the | :38:47. | :38:51. | |
nationalisation model, the workers were completely subordinate, no | :38:51. | :38:57. | |
role for trade unions or workers in nationalised industries, very | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
administrative. The Government that created the NHS, that was mistake? | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
That was the wonderful thing in medicine. I'm saying by moving | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
exclusively to the state as the provider, very central things about | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
responsibility, about the movement and particularly about the role of | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
workers and work in the economy, were neglected, we just need to | :39:19. | :39:25. | |
reenstate that. You also suggest it is sort of anti-women? It is quite | :39:25. | :39:34. | |
anti-women. There are essays in the policies of paradox that blame the | :39:34. | :39:39. | |
breakdown of social order on women. You also suggest it is jingositic? | :39:39. | :39:45. | |
It is. There is a sentence that says, not Maurice but another | :39:45. | :39:50. | |
author, that says the social disorder is caused by the loss of | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
men's entitlement. As if white men were entitled to the fruits of | :39:54. | :39:59. | |
black people in the colonies, and the exploitation that went on in | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
the colonies, it is an extraordinary document? This is a | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
little ungenerous. Obviously there is a variety of voices in the book. | :40:06. | :40:12. | |
I think that the idea that this is anti-women is just wrong, straight | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
forwardly. You will I'm sure agree it is sometimes hard to work out | :40:15. | :40:20. | |
precisely what it is, this interview you gave to this Italian | :40:20. | :40:24. | |
magazine? Which I wrote in Italian, by the way. That explains something, | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
there is a sense of bravery and tragedy in our position, that is | :40:28. | :40:34. | |
one meaning of the word "blue" that links Myles Davies with Picasso, | :40:34. | :40:41. | |
what is this about? Many meanings to the word "blue", one with the | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
blue, the others is Myles Davies kind of blue, it is to get away | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
from this optimisim that things can only get better, all you do is vote | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
Labour and the world gets a better place, people have to take | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
responsibility, there is struggles ahead and defeat, we have to be | :40:59. | :41:04. | |
durable in the good, and transform to get the Labour Government we | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
want. Wouldn't it be better to go into the next election saying | :41:07. | :41:13. | |
things will only get worst? That is the dualistic things that the media | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
thrives on, things can get worse and better and a lot depends on us. | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
I would say things have got better with Labour Governments, there is | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
criticism of the nationalisation, my mother-in-law came from a mining | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
village, during her childhood she would frequently go to the pit when | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
there was an accident, how many people were being killed in the | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
pits, horrible things happened, once you got nationalisation, you | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
got massive improvements in health and safety standard, massive | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
improvements in people's standards of living. In my own grandmother's | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
life, between the wars she collected subs for voluntary | :41:47. | :41:50. | |
ambulance scheme, great for community building, but actually | :41:50. | :41:56. | |
people preferred to dial 999. you look at the German social | :41:56. | :41:58. | |
market that didn't go to nationalisation but determination, | :41:59. | :42:05. | |
a representation of workers on the board, a strong apprenticeship and | :42:05. | :42:10. | |
workers in the management firms, they had a far more durable model, | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
far less inequality and a high modern economy. I'm talking about | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
the sovereignty of those who did PPE in Oxford who governed the | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
Treasury and pulled the right lever, we have to have democratic | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
engagement in the economy. We will leave aside the reference to Ed | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
Miliband. The new Labour world, would the state be smaller? In the | :42:32. | :42:39. | |
Blue Labour, it wouldn't be smaller, but it would be imbeded in a set of | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
relationships. I'm arguing that there should be a split in schools. | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
There should be a split between parents, teachers and state in the | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
governance of the school, that should characterise the economy. | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
You have an anxiety about immigration? What b what is said. I | :42:55. | :43:00. | |
have an anxiety that the white working class, some how, is | :43:00. | :43:06. | |
privileged, in maur ris's picture of British history, that seems to | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
me to actually misunderstand British history, it is about empire, | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
we are a multicultural country because we had a big empire. One of | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
the successful things we have done, more than other European countries, | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
is build those multicultural communities so we have higher | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
levels of tolerance in our country. I would argue the great | :43:27. | :43:30. | |
beneficiaries of imperialism are the City of London, we are the | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
owner and the Labour Government was a massive effort to get recognition | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
for local workers who were dispossessed through the enclosure | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
movement and had to fight to achieve recognition within the | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
political system, the right to vote, democratic entitlements. This idea | :43:45. | :43:50. | |
there is a privilege for that is not so. We have lived through an | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
unprecedented period of immigration. I work with London citizens on | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
living wage where I saw just how the race to the bottom look effect. | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
There was competition between local workers and new workers and it is | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
necessary to reengage with the common good, with the politics of | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
the common good, doing what the Labour movement always did, bring | :44:10. | :44:16. | |
together immigrants and locals, working-class and middle-class and | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
engage in a general politics that can make the country better. What | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
is your anxiety if Blue Labour continues to gain ground in the | :44:24. | :44:30. | |
leadership of the party? I have two anxieties. One is that it ignores | :44:30. | :44:35. | |
the internationalisation agenda, and the world, so it is all very | :44:35. | :44:40. | |
well to have the things that he was talking about, Co-ops and | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
industrial democracy, I'm in favour of those things, we have to attract | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
foreign investment from abroad, you have to have Government taking a | :44:46. | :44:51. | |
role on that. Back to the issue of the welfare state, it may be | :44:51. | :44:57. | |
inefficient, it may be that we need to address the bureaucracy, but it | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
gives people security and equal opportunity. | :45:01. | :45:11. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 61 seconds | :45:11. | :46:12. | |
Pretty showery for the rest of the week. Positively wet across some | :46:12. | :46:17. | |
week. Positively wet across some northern parts of the UK. Parts of | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
Scotland will have persistent rain, keeping things cool. Further south, | :46:20. | :46:25. | |
there will be some sunshine, pretty heavy and possibly thundery showers | :46:25. | :46:30. | |
across parts of northern England by the afternoon. Wimbledon will | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
probably get away with it, with largely dry day with sunshine. One | :46:34. | :46:39. | |
or two showers blowing in across parts of South-West England and | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
Wales. The showers shouldn't last for too long because of the breeze. | :46:44. | :46:50. | |
Lengthy dry and bright spells inbetween. Not too warm, 14-15. Not | :46:50. | :46:59. | |
much warmer for Northern Ireland. Dryer spells but further heavy | :46:59. | :47:06. | |
downpours possible. Slow-moving too. No prospect for things drying out | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
dramatically in the next few days. Wednesday looks every bit as | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
showery across the UK. Further south there will be more showers | :47:13. | :47:17. | |
than there were on Tuesday, rather more chance of some interruptions | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
at Wimbledon, by the middle of the week. This is the picture on | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
Wednesday. Starting off bright across south eastern areas, clumps | :47:23. | :47:27. |