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Welcome to Europe in need, please put your hands in your pockets to | :00:08. | :00:12. | |
help pay off the eurozone's debts. The subject discussed by David | :00:12. | :00:15. | |
Cameron and Angela Merkel today. But is there, at last, any glimmer | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
of a common solution to the problem which could sink us all? My German | :00:20. | :00:29. | |
isn't that good, I think bazooka is a superwafer, no, someone is | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
shaking their head. We will discuss what it means with Conservative MP, | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
Daniel Hannan, German banker, Schmieding, and the journalist, | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
Bronwen Maddox. Sepp Blatter says sorry for suggesting racism could | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
be settled with a handshake. The former England player, Sol Campbell | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
is here to discuss, racism, bigotry and the football leadership. Two | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
British nationals killed in Pakistan, by an American drone | :00:54. | :01:04. | |
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strike. How many British volunteers are fighting for Al-Qaeda? | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
Good evening, eurozone leaders aren't as cuddly as Pudsey, but | :01:13. | :01:19. | |
they are looking for every euroor - - Uri owe pound you can spare. | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
Someone will have to stump up. The leader of the biggest economy | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
inside the eurozone, Germany, and the biggest economy outside the | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
eurozone, Britain, met today to try to figure out, what short of an | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
appeal for worldwide loose change, could solve our problems. They were | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
more fluent in decribing the problems than fixing them. | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
OK, you're British, you're in Germany for a crucial meeting, what | :01:41. | :01:48. | |
is the subject you want to avoid? My German isn't that good, bazooka | :01:48. | :01:57. | |
is a superwafer, no, someone is shake their head. The German for | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
bazooka is "tank terror", which is possibly not where you want to go | :02:00. | :02:06. | |
in a vital press conference. But, unfortunately, Europe's financial | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
Baz Zach ka, and its fail -- bazooka, and its failure to fire, | :02:10. | :02:17. | |
is the subject between Britain and Germany. TRANSLATION: As to the | :02:17. | :02:23. | |
question of what choifs weapons are used to deal with financial markets, | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
I believe credibility is gained by using the force and strength you | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
have. The British say we have to use all the force available, I | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
think that is right. But one should not pretend to be more powerful | :02:33. | :02:39. | |
than one actually is. At Brussels, in October, Mrs Measuring mrbg on | :02:39. | :02:47. | |
agreement on the booze zook -- Mrs Merkel won agreed on the bazooka, a | :02:47. | :02:55. | |
one trillion bailout from the EFSF fired from Germany. It went wrong | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
at Cannes, no-one would lend the money. Mr Cameron began pushing for | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
the European Central Bank to lend the money, firing its own bazooka, | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
but it won't. In the meantime, the Governments of Italy and Greece | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
fell. And today, the boss of the European Central Bank said that he | :03:11. | :03:21. | |
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would not be firing the bazooka any time soon. We are four weeks after | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
the summit that agreed on the leverageing of resources by factor | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
of up to four or five, that declared the EFSF would be fully | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
operational and all the tools would be used in an effective way to | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
ensure financial stability in the euro area. Where is the | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
implementation of these long- standing decisions? Which | :03:43. | :03:49. | |
translates as, you fire your own bazooka! Germany knows saving the | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
euro is vital to its own survival as a manufacturing and export giant. | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
But its workers believe prosperity and stability come from low | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
inflation and a credible Central Bank. So using the ECB to save the | :04:03. | :04:10. | |
euro, is, for Mrs Merkel, politically impossible. I think if | :04:10. | :04:16. | |
Merkel agrees to involve the ECB, which is against the EU treaty, by | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
the way, she will go through a vote of confidence and she will lose it, | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
and the Government will break down. Instead, the Germans are | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
concentrating on a long-term plan. The German position was outlined in | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
a document from the German Foreign Office, leaked to the Telegraph. It | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
calls for political union, a stability commissioner with power | :04:36. | :04:42. | |
to intervene in national budgets, and the power to impose orderly | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
default and exit on eurozone members. The problem s that needs a | :04:47. | :04:53. | |
treaty change, and as the Mercedes deposited Mr Cameron in Berlin, it | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
is clear the Germans are determined to do it with or without us. | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
German position is, we would like to keep the British in, we would | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
rather do the new treaty with all 27, it is simple letter and easier, | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
however, if the British are going to be -- simpler and easier, | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
however if the British are going to be demanding on powers coming back, | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
then we will go along with a eurozone treaty with a few hours | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
who want to join the eurozone. There is diverge begins between | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
Paris and Berlin I I have -- deverence between Paris and Berlin. | :05:26. | :05:33. | |
But I have no doubt if the British block the treaty, the Germans will | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
go ahead with something that doesn't include the British. It is | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
not whether Britain is in or out of the group that writes the treaty, | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
the problem is time, the Germans are determined to find a strategic | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
solution, the markets need an immediate solution. In the end, it | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
comes down a clash between two implacable forces, the bond market, | :05:54. | :05:59. | |
and the German electorate. That has left David Cameron struggling to | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
contain his frustration, and even some German commentators are | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
prepared to accept there is a timing issue. She said today in | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
Berlin, "step by step", while the British Prime Minister is talking | :06:12. | :06:18. | |
about a bazooka, it is a crisis, as you say, markets move in seconds. | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
You have to take the decisions now, you can't wait. In this sense, | :06:22. | :06:29. | |
calling Mrs Merkel Madame Dithering is quite the right term. It is not | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
changed, she is getting a bit more quick in her decision, she's still | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
very slow. Having that in mind, Germany is the decisive and crucial | :06:36. | :06:45. | |
player in this game, you could call it a bit scary, yeah. | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
It was Mr Cameron who wanted this meeting, diplomatically he came | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
away with a smile and a handshake, for all his talk of a bazooka, it | :06:55. | :07:01. | |
is Germany that le l decide if and when it gets fired -- will decide | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
if and when it gets fired. Have German relations improved, with us | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
is Holger Schmieding from the Berenberg Bank, and Bronwen Maddox | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
and Daniel Hannan, the Conservative Are Britain and Germany any closer | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
tonight as a result of the meetings? At least to what we have | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
heard about the meetings, they probably have not moved much closer, | :07:21. | :07:28. | |
no. They are far apart on major issues. The German conclusion from | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
the eurozone crisis that we need more Europe, the British conclusion | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
seems to be we need to move a bit further apart from the eurozone. So | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
that is a significant clash, and as to technical details, financial | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
markets, transaction tax, they don't seem to agree. Do you accept | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
that analysis, that in other words, there are the smaller things like | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
the financial transaction tax, sometimes called the Tobin tax, but | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
on the big picture they are miles apart? I think that is right. I | :07:56. | :08:02. | |
thought it was a fabulously disingenious speech by David | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
Cameron. He rightly said Europe's problems could be sorted by | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
pledging enormous amounts of money, and he doesn't want Britain to do | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
that, he wants the Germans to do it. And the Germans are threatening | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
saying if you don't join if we might come at the City of London | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
with transaction tax. Why do you think the British and Germans are | :08:22. | :08:28. | |
so far apart on this, where as on some big picture matters like | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
competitiveness and fiscal discipline, you know, not rewarding | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
bad behaviour, moral hazarz, philosophically, they should be a | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
lot closer, shouldn't they? If it weren't for the wretched EU we | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
would be getting on famously, they are the country with whom we have | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
most in common in continental Europe. It is not for us to decide | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
how the eurozone settles its problems. If they were to ask my | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
advice, I would say allow countries to leave, allow each country to | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
suit its monetary policy to its own need, allow the Mediterranean | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
states to price their way back into the market. I'm not a Greek, German | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
or Austrian or Finnish legislator, if they have made the decision to | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
keep the euro together, at whatever cost, that is matter for them. What | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
I kind extraordinary is Britain is not only investing political | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
capital in proposing this idea, but actual capital. We are on the hook | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
so far for �12.5 billion in the Irish, Greek and Portuguese | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
bailouts, that is before you get to Italy. Is that a problem for | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
Germany, to go back to the start of what Hannan was suggesting there, | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
that actually, on many issues fissofically, should be much closer | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
to Britain, and if it wasn't, -- philosophically, should be much | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
closer to Britain, and if it wasn't for the EU, links with Greece and | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
Italy, there wouldn't be the problems? The problem is Britain | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
has refused to actually join in. The Germans would love the British | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
in, more involved in Europe, ideally within the eurozone, at | :09:58. | :10:03. | |
least that was the original German idea, so that within the European | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
institutions the kind of philosophical similarities between | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
Britain and Germany, more competitiveness, would gain the | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
upper hand. But Britain has decided to stay some what aloof. Could I | :10:13. | :10:22. | |
suggest you are as likely to get as -- that as likely as Hannan is to | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
get the renegotiation of the treaties? The treaties are to be | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
renegotiated, and there is a solution to the German and British | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
difficulty, namely that Britain agrees to pass an amendment to the | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
EU treaties that allows Germany and France and the other 15 countries | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
to move closer together, and in return Germany and France will | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
allow Britain to have a few more opt-outs. Would that be good enough | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
for you, what do you want on that? Ultimately it shouldn't be for me | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
to decide, or for you to decide, or even Angela Merkel and David | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
Cameron to decide, it should be more the electorate as a whole to | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
decide. Ultimately whatever renegotiation comes out will need | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
be put to the country with a "no" vote treated as a vote to leave the | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
EU. That is the only guarantee. Something I would like is something | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
along the lines of the Swiss, you are in the free market but you have | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
opted out of the political structures that go with it. You are | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
affected by it, because it is so big, we would be affected by it, we | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
wouldn't have a voice in it, like the Swiss? Well, they seem to be | :11:23. | :11:29. | |
scraping by some kind of miserable half existence out there, ditto the | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
Norwegians. Of course we would lose influence over the internal affairs | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
of the countries in the tighter union. That is unquestionably the | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
case, just as we have no internal influence over the affairs of Japan, | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
Singapore, or the Congo. That is the price you pay. But as long as | :11:44. | :11:51. | |
you are in a free market, within the EFTA terms and the WTO terms, | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
that is what most people in the country would vote for, that is | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
what we thought we were voting for in 1975. This is fascinating, we | :11:59. | :12:04. | |
have these two countries, we have accepted there is a degree of | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
philosophical agreement, these two questions are completely totally | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
poles apart? They are completely different. I think there is a | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
philosophical difference between Germany and Britain on views of | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
Europe. Then there is the very sharp difference that we began this | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
discussion with about who will pay for this, that is really the first | :12:23. | :12:30. | |
one. At heart I think this is rather a brutal clash about money. | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
But then the philosophy comes after. That it is dangerous game for | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
Germany and France to push Britain to the point where Cameron's | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
yooptics begin to say let's take Britain right out. -- Euro-sceptics | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
begin to say let as take Britain out. In Germany do you feel you | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
have to be anchored into it, and you can't do what the European | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
Central Bank does. Mario Draghi, not just the British, is suggestk a | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
real lack of leadership and you have -- suggesting a real lack of | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
leadership and you have to get your act together, you meaning Germany? | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
Going back to the debt crisis, the big difference between the eurozone | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
and Britain is Britain has a Central Bank which helps the | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
Government pay its debts, massively, where as the European Central Bank | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
is refusing that. If the European Central Bank were to behave like | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
the Bank of England, the eurozone debt crisis would probably be over | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
in a second. So, indeed, there is a philosophical difference in how you | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
treat your Central Bank, and how your Central Bank is viewed. | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
there, for the other part of that, which we heard in Paul Mason's | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
report, is there something about the German character, or the | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
political system, which means Angela Merkel cannot be as decisive | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
as people want her to be on this? She has to take a significant part | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
of her voters with her, on all the major things. That indeed means she | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
can't move very far. She cannot, for instance, just endorse the ECB | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
buying loads of Government bonds, without having some backing, some | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
where else in the country. My view remains, if worst comes to worst, | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
and we may be there within a few weeks, the European Central Bank | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
will intervene massively. Angela Merkel will probably back them, but, | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
then we will have a little uproar in Germany, still the thing will be | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
settled. Do you share that view, that is the likeliest thing that | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
will happen, in other words, we will muddle through and there will | :14:18. | :14:24. | |
be a lot of mudling, and not much through? I think it is the | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
likeliest thing, I don't think it is the right thing to do. I'm not | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
fan of quanative easing in this country, inflation is a way of | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
punishing people who have done the right thing, and I wouldn't wish it | :14:37. | :14:43. | |
to allies in the continent. I think it is not right to impoverish | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
people which the project means, it is better if the countries were | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
able to suit their economies to their needs, and very soon the | :14:49. | :14:56. | |
problems would be over. But the elites of Europe are sacrificing | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
the prosperity of their people for this European dream. Do you think | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
David Cameron's voice in Europe is any stronger than it was this | :15:03. | :15:11. | |
morning, or the opposite? I think it is stronger than it seems. There | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
is all this talk of Britain on the side lines, but Germany and France | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
do want Britain to play a part in this. That is what today's press | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
conference and the jokes were about. Trying to make sure that Britain | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
helps out. With money as well as anything else. The likelihood of | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
that, the implication of everything we have been discussing is it is | :15:30. | :15:36. | |
not going to happen, in which case. It won't happen unless we get much | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
closer to a crisis. On that narrow point about David Cameron's | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
influence, or the UK's influence, now and in the future? The British | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
influence on events in the continent is extremely small, to | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
put it mildly. I don't think it is the eurozone asking Britain for | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
money, what the eurozone is simply asking, dear Britain, we in the | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
eurozone want to forge a closer European, for that we have to | :15:57. | :16:03. | |
change the EU treaty, and please, dear Britain, ratify the new EU | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
treaties which will help us in the eurozone to integrate in the way we | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
want. Which is saying, Britain please don't get in the way. But, | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
do you think Britain speaks absolutely with one voice on this, | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
Nick Clegg, a coalition, he has a slightly different view and | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
attitude and has been commenting on this today? But that's the case in | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
every country. You have different opinions, in Britain you have | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
interesting clashes between Euro- sceptics and some remaining sort of | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
Europhiles, but that is normal politics. This was making it sound | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
as if we have months and months to sort this out, to redraw the | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
constitution. There is a crisis between where we are now, and the | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
kind of constitutional redrawing that you are decribing. In that | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
crisis it seems to me they do need Britain. The two points is the | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
immediate crisis is ultimately for the European Central Bank to solve. | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
The long-term issues are then for the new EU, rewritten EU treaties. | :16:56. | :17:02. | |
Thank you very much all of you. The European Union is not the only | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
international organisation having difficulties, FIFA President, Sepp | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
Blatter, seems to have moved seemlessly into the role recently | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
vacated by Silvio Berlusconi, managing to say some of the | :17:13. | :17:23. | |
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stupidist things on world stage. He seems to have been suggesting that | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
racism issues can be solved by handshake on the pitch. Is it going | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
way? A man who used to be President of | :17:31. | :17:41. | |
the Society of Friends of Suspenders, might not adapt to 21st | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
century customs, after advising female players to wear tighter | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
shorts to get more attention. And telling gay fans going to Qatar, to | :17:49. | :17:55. | |
avoid having sex, the latest Blatter blunder was offensive in a | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
different way. There is no racism, there is maybe one of the players | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
to another, he has a word or gesture, which is not the correct | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
one. Also the one who is affected by that, he should say it is a game, | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
we are in the game, and at the end of the game we shake hands, this | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
can happen. Blatter's comments followed allegations by the | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
Manchester United player, Patrice Evra, that he had been racially | :18:17. | :18:24. | |
abused by Liverpool's Luis Suarez. The Uraguayan has been charged by | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
the FA. With similar claims against John Terry still are under | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
investigation. The timing could be more sensitive. Today there was an | :18:31. | :18:37. | |
attempt to calm the storm. sorry, I regret that my statements | :18:37. | :18:47. | |
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earlier this week have resulted in an unfortunate situation, very much. | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
Assuming Mr Blatter does not return to the presidency of Friends of | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
Suspenders, he might be sticking to his script a little more in future. | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
Here to react to all of that is the former England, Arsenal and Spurs | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
footballer. It was a pretty groveling apology, it looked | :19:04. | :19:10. | |
prepared, is that enough? For me it doesn't wash. For the head of FIFA | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
to come out with something like that, for me it is shocking. It is | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
astonishing. I'm astonished he's still in the job. In any other | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
industry, if the head of the company comes up with those kind of | :19:24. | :19:31. | |
comments, he's sacked, he's gone in a few days time. For me it really | :19:31. | :19:37. | |
shows FIFA, how they are as a body. The comments he came out with, the | :19:38. | :19:44. | |
ramifications of what he said, you know, it filters down into grass | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
roots football. Little kids playing football, Sunday league, you can | :19:48. | :19:54. | |
say whatever you want, be racist to another opponent and then after the | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
game shake the hand and it is all over. That is not right. Just to be | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
clear, you think he should resign, and if he shouldn't resign he | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
should be kicked out? I think he should step down and do the | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
honourable thing. When things happen on the pitch, sometimes | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
people do stupid things in the heat of the moment, is that any excuse, | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
if that happens on the pitch between players? Yeah, every single | :20:17. | :20:24. | |
time something happens, the heat of the moment, you keep on, are you | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
allowed to racially abuse someone in the heat of the moment? No. If | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
that is the first thing that comes into your mind, not at all, no. | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
do you get round that, there is different types of racial abuse, | :20:35. | :20:40. | |
when you move from Tottenham to Arsenal, you suffered quite a lot | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
of chanting, and abuse. Is it different when it comes from the | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
fans or when it comes on the pitch from another person doing the same? | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
I think from another player is definitely even more hurtful, it is | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
sickening, it is disgusting. So for him to say you can just wash it off | :20:55. | :21:02. | |
with the shake of a hand, for me it is unbelievable. I can't believe | :21:02. | :21:11. | |
no-one has really picked this up, Government wise, sponsors-wise, how | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
can you have the head of the body of football of the world, saying | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
those comments. If he has said those comments, people are saying | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
it is OK, he has said sorry, for me that is unbelievable. Are we in | :21:26. | :21:28. | |
Britain, and the English game in particular, are we a bit different | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
from the rest of the world. You know the reputation of Russia and | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
Eastern Europe, sometimes in these matters it is not entirely pure, is | :21:35. | :21:41. | |
it? Some of those countries have big problems it's the head, he | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
should know better. He has compromised FIFA, big time. For me, | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
the longer he actually stays at FIFA, I honestly think FIFA will | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
become weaker. Does it have an effect, you suggested before, does | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
it really have an effect on the grass roots of the game, 10, 11- | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
year-olds? Yeah, I think kids are listening, Sunday league football, | :22:02. | :22:08. | |
people like that. If you realise what he says,'s the head, all that | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
seeps down, and you know, all these other games aren't policed properly | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
you can get away with a lot of things in and around those kind of | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
levels. If you hear the top guy saying, you can do whatever you | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
want, be racist to player, it is a part of the game, as long as you | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
say sorry afterwards, it is OK. Where are we going in football? For | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
me he has flung football 40 years back. All the hard work, all the | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
campaigners, Kick It Out, Show the Red Card, all their work for | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
nothing. We don't know exactly what happened in the John Terry incident | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
or the Suarez incident, we know they are being investigated. Do you | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
think things have changed a lot in the game in this country at los? | :22:50. | :22:58. | |
Most certainly. Are things a lot better? Yeah. Since the early 190s? | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
I watched football before that, and heard all the comments and the past | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
players talking about their experiences through the 1960s and | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
1970s. Yeah it has definitely moved on. It is only because there is | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
some people doing fantastic things up and down the country and | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
campaigning to kick this out. It is only because of the hard work and | :23:21. | :23:27. | |
the PFA, and the Football Association, and players, and the | :23:27. | :23:33. | |
wider public, the English public have come together to nulify T it | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
is not completely depon, but it is -- it has not completely gone, but | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
it is better than the 70s for sure. We know the view of most people in | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
England about what has happened over the World Cup and allegations | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
of corruption and so on. Nobody seems to care what the British | :23:49. | :23:57. | |
think? Do they in this? The trouble is, England across the water | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
haven't the best reputation when it comes to talking to the other | :24:02. | :24:09. | |
nations when it comes to football. I don't know why, I think they have | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
to get the right man, FA side, to start talking to them and bring | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
them closer. Thank you very much. We have long known that British | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
nationals are fighting for the Taliban, and Al-Qaeda, in | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
Afghanistan and Pakistan. There were persistent rumours of fighters | :24:27. | :24:35. | |
with Birmingham accents and a copes was found with an Aston Villa tatoo. | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
Today was revealed two British men were killed in drone strikes. One | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
left Britain subject to a control order in 2007. What more do you | :24:44. | :24:53. | |
know about this? Interesting, the first man, Ibrahim Adam, 24 years | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
old from East London. He was on a control order, as you say, along | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
with his brother, they both absconded on control orders. That | :25:01. | :25:07. | |
is two brothers in that family. A third brother, their older brother, | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
was called Anthony Garcia, he changed his name, this third | :25:12. | :25:17. | |
brother was convicted of terrorism offences in 2007, connected to the | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
operation about the crevice fertiliser bomb plot. We have three | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
brothers closely linked to terrorist activities there. The | :25:25. | :25:34. | |
second man named and killed in a drone attack, is Mohammed Azmer | :25:34. | :25:40. | |
Khan, originally from Sheffield and then in London. He's said to be a | :25:40. | :25:49. | |
brother of a man, Azmeil Abjar, killed last year in a drone attack | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
in Pakistan. Do we have any more idea about how many similar case | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
there is might be? There is a steady flow of young radicalised | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
Muslim recruits from Great Britain into the north frontier province, | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
the tribal areas, over a number of years. We have just late last year | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
spoken to a family from Manchester, whose son, Umar Arshad, left the | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
country, again, on the control order, they were deeply worried | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
about him. We can hear from them now. He didn't seem well or himself. | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
This happened very suddenly. It wasn't a space of you know a year | :26:25. | :26:31. | |
or two years, it occurred within a month. His mind was being changed, | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
because of the way he was being ruled by these individuals, or the | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
gang. If they told him to sit down, he would sit down. If they stold | :26:38. | :26:46. | |
told him to stand up, he would stand up. We could see how worried | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
the brother and the father were there. I have spoken to the family | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
today, there is no news where their relative is in Pakistan it's widely | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
believed to have disappeared into Pakistan to be recruited by Jihadi | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
groups, possibly linked to Al-Qaeda. I think this demonstrates that some | :27:01. | :27:07. | |
families in Britain phrasing this awful prospect of lose -- facing | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
this awful prospect of losing their young ones to Islamic Jihadists. | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
young ones to Islamic Jihadists. The front pages now. | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
The Times has 50% off council houses and also the story of the | :27:19. | :27:26. | |
Natalie Wood case, waking the dead, LA police reopen the case. The FT | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
has financial stories, the Northern Rock funds deal. The ECB hitting | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
back over intervention calls and a picture of Angela Merkel and David | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
Cameron translating each other's thoughts, I suspect. The Mirror has | :27:39. | :27:49. | |
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ITV Daybreak dream team sacked, Adrian Chidldes and his pardon -- | :27:51. | :28:01. | |
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That's all from Newsnight tonight, Mark Kermode will present the | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
review show in a minute. We will leave you with the news that one | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
half of the Cosgrove Hall duo has died. The list of his cartoons goes | :28:20. | :28:27. | |
on for a very long time. Here is a # He's the greatest | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
# He's fantastic # Wherever there is danger | :28:30. | :28:37. |