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Tonight the parties claim they are polls apart on economic policy, how | :00:08. | :00:16. | |
different are they really. Ahead of the autumn statement, we | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
discover the differences between Labour and the Government come down | :00:20. | :00:29. | |
to one third of 1%. Neither Osbourne or Ed Balls will ever | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
quantify, there are never figures because the bubble will burst and | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
we will see how close their plans are. We will ask economists and | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
entrepeneurs on the right and left if the politicians are thinking | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
radically enough. As Tahrir Square becomes the focus again of mass | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
demonstrations, we will look at the divisions opening up in Egypt's | :00:46. | :00:51. | |
opposition. An award-winning journalist tells us of her | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
sustained assault by police in Cairo. And who done it, with | :00:55. | :01:05. | |
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parking rage on the south downs, we put Steve Smith on the case. The | :01:08. | :01:13. | |
big question in UK politics right now is how to achieve growth. Next | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
week's autumn statement may be under wraps, but the leader of the | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
opposition has called it the moment when it is proved the Government's | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
economic gamble has failed. Strong words, we decided it was time to | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
look at the differences between the parties on economic policy. The | :01:27. | :01:33. | |
results, as you might have guessed is mathematically waver thin, it is | :01:33. | :01:39. | |
about one third of one per cent of Gross Domestic Product. | :01:39. | :01:44. | |
We will hear radical thoughts from business and outside the sphere, | :01:44. | :01:52. | |
first, David Grossman. The way the politicians charge around you would | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
think they were contesting the whole pitch. Kicking the economic | :01:55. | :02:03. | |
football from end-to-end. Making for exciting, almost | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
exhilarating viewing. This week, again in the Commons, the party | :02:07. | :02:12. | |
leaders clashed over their supposedly, vastly differing, | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
economic plans. He was warned that his strategy of cutting too far and | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
too fast, wouldn't create jobs, he was warned it wouldn't create | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
growth, and he was warned he would find it harder to get the deficit | :02:23. | :02:30. | |
down. Isn't that exactly what has happened. Is there a single other | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
mainstream party anywhere in Europe, who thinks the answer to the debt | :02:34. | :02:39. | |
problem is more spending and more borrowing? If he's worried, if he's | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
worried about the level of debt, why is he proposing to add another | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
�100 billion to it. It is the height of irresponsibility. The | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
reason why people will never trust Labour with the economy again. | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
However, at a macro-economic level, the area of dispute is very, very | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
small. In the current financial year the coalition Government is | :03:01. | :03:07. | |
planning to implement a fiscal tightening, tax increases and | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
spending cuts, amounting to �24 billion taken out of the economy. | :03:11. | :03:17. | |
The Labour's Government -- Labour Government's previous plan was | :03:17. | :03:23. | |
cutting spending and tax is �19 billion, it is only a difference of | :03:23. | :03:30. | |
�5 billion. The UK economy is �1,600 trillion, the disputed | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
territory between the parties is �5 billion, less than a third of one | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
per cent. In football terms, it is like both teams are kicking each | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
other to pieces on a patch of ground four yards square. No wonder | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
it is hard to watch, Labour suggesting cutting spending by an | :03:48. | :03:55. | |
extra �5 billion will kill the economy stone dead. The coalition, | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
borrowing �5 billion more will raise bond rates by Monday morning. | :04:00. | :04:09. | |
You often hear about Freud's narcissism in politics. | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
language between Labour and Tories couldn't be more different. | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
Osbourne talks about austerity and the need for cuts, Ed Balls says it | :04:16. | :04:21. | |
is wild and crazy, harsh and deep. When you compare their plans, | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
Alistair Darling would have cut departmental spending by 2.2% a | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
year, what is Osbourne doing? 3% a year. Are we supposed to believe | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
there is a huge big difference between those two figures? Of | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
course not. You will notice neither Osbourne or Balls will ever actual | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
lie quantify, you never hear figures dropped in their rhetoric, | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
because the bubble will burst and we will all see how close their | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
plans are. Instead of a big battle over big numbers, you have | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
skirmishes over who has the best collections of schemes, funds and | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
plans to create growth. Today we saw the Deputy Prime | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
Minister unveiling what the coalition calls its �1 billion | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
youth contract, which, you understand, is vastly different | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
from Labour's future jobs fund, which the coalition cut. | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
Next Tuesday, the Chancellor will deliver his Pre-Budget Report. Many | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
are predicting lots more new funds, plans and schemes adding up to, | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
well, let's weight and see. The biggest story on Tuesday is likely | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
to be after the Chancellor has sat down, when the Office for Budget | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
Responsibility will give us its latest growth forecast. They will | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
say the growth prospects have pretty much evaporated, and we | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
should be settling down to a period of low growth and high debt, cheap | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
debt, but you can't spend your way out of a debt crisis. That is what | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
David Cameron is saying, but that is exactly what they are doing. Has | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
gone up by 51% in the parliament. What would Labour have done? It | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
would have gone up by 60%. Those figures are not different, George | :05:56. | :06:02. | |
Osborne is still stuck in the groove settle by Gordon Brown. As | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
he accurately said before the last election, that is a road to nowhere. | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
The battle between the parties is always intense, sometimes angry, | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
sometimes hitting the shins rather than the balls. They don't argue | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
much on raw number, which in the grand scheme of things are only a | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
few blades of grass apart. Joining me now, with their ideas | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
for growth, Allister Heath, the editor of City AM, James Meadway a | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
senior economics from the New Economics Foundation, and Julie | :06:34. | :06:41. | |
Meyer the chief executive of investment group, Mariinsky capital. | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
If those differences are well so small, what kind of radical plans | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
would properly kick start the economy from your perspective? | :06:49. | :06:55. | |
needs fresh thinking, big stuff to really kickstart the economy, the | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
economy is asleep and needs awakening, the private sector. | :07:00. | :07:04. | |
Infrastructure spending, it is not enough to spend �2 billion, you | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
need tense of billions of investments all over the world. | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
Housing, let's build a new city and town. Who is doing the building? | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
The private sector, crucially. This has to be about bringing in private | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
sector finance. There is a lot of money around in the world economy, | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
sovereign wealth funds, in the Middle East and so on, this needs | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
to be attracted. They are not spending, that was the ideal | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
scenario for the Government. To get the private sector to do all the | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
spending and the building, they are not? That was the theory, they have | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
done nothing about t they have not changed the regulation or red tape. | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
They have not created schemes to attract global Government. The huge | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
pension funds have hundreds of billions to invest, they need to be | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
brought in. You say you change red tape and suddenly everyone starts | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
investing in building? I say yes, you do that and incentivise them to | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
come, they will come, build and create jobs. I have to disagree | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
pretty much entirely t hopelessly mischaracterises the type of | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
recession we are in, that is a recession of demand. A collapsing | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
demand from consumers and households, and particularly from | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
private investment, which has shrunk by �40 billion or more since | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
the recession started. It is now added to by the attempt by | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
Government to shrink its own spending in the economy. You need | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
to do the reverse. The alternative would be to simply reverse thaefrg | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
this coalition Government is now doing, when -- everything that this | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
coalition Government is now doing. In a recession, you don't decrease | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
but increase Government spending, you get out there and lead | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
businesses by the road and you get out there and create the economy | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
you want to live in. You end up like a south European | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
basket case? No you don't, you have to target the spending you want. | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
You think about the kind of economy you want to create, you want green | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
jobs and sustainable employment, you go out and make those things | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
happening. That is all done by Government debt, by borrowing more? | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
It can be done by borrowing, mobilising the resources of the | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
nationalised banks we do have, the Royal Bank of Scotland could be | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
used, it is on a fairly sound capital basis, it could be used. | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
You could turn the Green Investment Bank into something that can be | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
used. And the bond markets going through the roof that is not a | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
worry? The signal from the market is there is chaos and bedlem | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
everywhere else, and Britain looks like a safe haven. In comparison to | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
those on the verge of bankruptcy, or bankrupt? Perhaps if you are in | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
southern Europe, but Britain is a big, stable economy. It has a | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
significant public debt at the moment, it is not historically | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
especially significant, or internationally especially | :09:35. | :09:40. | |
significant. The problem son the growth side, not on the debt side. | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
You are trying to practically create a business on this economy | :09:44. | :09:49. | |
we are on, where there is virtually no growth? We support another 20 or | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
so businesses. I believe that society needs to be organised | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
around the entrepeneur, there is not one type of business, you have | :09:55. | :10:01. | |
established businesses, mature, then young, fast-growing SMEs, the | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
innovation agency has proven repeatedly 6% of all UK businesses | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
create 54% of all the new jobs. 6% are considered high-growth. Small | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
business, fast-growing business, is not a niche activity, it is | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
economic policy. We should give a hole bay on PAYE, national | :10:17. | :10:24. | |
insurance, to those SMEs and watch them take off. International | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
multinationals, Google, should pay more tax, they make an enormous | :10:27. | :10:34. | |
amount of money in this country and don't contribute to tax. That | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
sounds rational an enormous company like Google to pay more tax? | :10:38. | :10:45. | |
way is to get people to come to the UK, and make it a centre of | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
investment. We need to incentivise comes to come here. I don't agree f | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
we did your policies there would be an immediate debt crisis with huge | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
problems for the UK economy. We need to cut back on public spending, | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
reduce the side of the state, and unleash the private sector. Look at | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
southern Europe, you attack public spending and make the debt crisis | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
worse, that mechanism is kicking in this country. The only difference | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
in this country we have sterling and a lot of QE going on, that is | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
why the debt markets are OK. There is no difference? We have our own | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
currency, otherwise our own debt position is very bad, including | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
private sector debt, way too high. One way to cut public services is | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
to create a radically transparent public services in Government. | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
Every expense, every salary that the Government or any public | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
service that was put on-line, and shining a spotlight on things like | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
that would create a natural shrinkage. Whenever you put | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
scrutiny on something, nobody spends. You are not going to save | :11:45. | :11:51. | |
that much money by putting stuff on-line? People do not spend other | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
people's money. Private sector pay at the moment, | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
the figures out from ONS this week, this is tax money we are missing | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
out on by not chasing up in the private sector pay. You saw the | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
report there, do you think Labour is being radical enough? | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
remotely. The difference between the two parties, as the report said, | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
is essentially wafer thin at this point in time. It would be better | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
to have a Labour Government or a Labour Party that came out with the | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
kind of stuff that Ed Balls is at least hinting at last year, saying | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
we need to be radical about this, understand the macro-economics of | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
the situation, rather than flapping about chasing after international | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
corporations and trying to tweak tax regimes here and there. I say | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
the same for the current coalition and the opposition, they are not | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
doing enough, they need to be more radical. You want more green things, | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
I want fewer green laws. It has gone too far, all this carbon | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
reduction stuff has gone too far, this is a boom time policy when we | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
were rich and thought better things were to come. We are still rich. | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
Some people in this country are very definitely getting richer. | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
What would you do with taxes, what would you do there? Abolish the 50p | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
tax rate, that won't bring in any money. I would do exactly what | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
Julie was saying, I would do national insurance holiday for | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
smaller firms, cut national insurance contributions, | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
incentivise them to hire. What about minimum wage? I would | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
regionalise it, make it different in different regions so supply and | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
demand could be balanced out. People are frozen out of the Labour | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
market because companies are worried to hire. Absolutely, I | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
think let's get a lot of tax from the very wealthy, you don't do that | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
by increasing the percentage, you drop it and get the absolute amount | :13:35. | :13:41. | |
of tax revenue high. Most people realise if you drop the 50p to 40p, | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
the overall tax revenue would go up. These people should pay. There is | :13:44. | :13:51. | |
no reason why they shouldn't. It is a symbolic gesture. It may be | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
against every philosophical bone in your body, practically it could be | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
the right way to do it? Global the evidence is there to sustain the | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
idea T has been discredited since the 1980. There are dozens of | :14:03. | :14:09. | |
surveys. The marginal cuts we were talking about, that this will | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
release entrepeneurship and people will come running back. You can | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
change your country and nationality, if you don't believe that people | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
who create wealth can change our citizenship n two weeks, with the | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
good law, you are not living in the same world as I. There was a survey | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
out this morning saying the tax rate has made no difference to the | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
highend manager. The constraints the Government works in, none of | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
these ideas are something you could take to the electorate? A lot of | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
ideas can be taken to the electorate. We need more airports | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
in this country, we need to build them quickly. What about your ideas | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
for employee rights? I think the Government is doing some of the | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
right things there. I'm more concerned about the unemployed | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
getting opportunities and getting back into the work force, that is | :14:53. | :14:58. | |
where we need to change things. Last word, I think if we start | :14:58. | :15:05. | |
chasing after supply side solutions we are chasing entirely the wrong | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
direction, this is increasing spending, and doing tin tell gently | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
to build the kind of economy you want, a green, sustainable economy | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
for the future. Tens of thousands of protestors | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
have packed into central Cairo's Tahrir Square to demand Egypt's | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
military rulers step aside. They want the postponement of elections | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
due to start on Monday. Divisions are starting to open up between the | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
opposition groups. While some protestors want military rule to | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
end before parliamentary elections are held. Others, including the | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
influential Muslim Brotherhood, want the polls to go ahead as | :15:37. | :15:47. | |
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planned. Days start bleery on Tahrir Square, | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
a springboard for revolution. For some it has also become a kind of | :15:53. | :15:59. | |
home. They camped out for three weeks until President Mubarak fell | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
in February, now they say they are camping out again until the | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
country's new military leaders follow him into retirement. The | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
generals who rule Egypt have made a substantial concession to the | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
people here on the square. They have said that they will be out of | :16:13. | :16:18. | |
power, completely, by the middle of next year. The trouble is, no-one | :16:18. | :16:25. | |
here believes the generals any more. In this shelter there is a cross | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
section of Egypt. Appropriately, this man, a hotel manager, is | :16:30. | :16:37. | |
trying to make things kosy. Then there is Doha, the flower seller, | :16:37. | :16:44. | |
the political analyst, and Mohammed, a leather tanner, Ahmed the waiter, | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
and Ashraf the international lawyer. What haven't you got? We haven't | :16:49. | :16:56. | |
got to change the system. It is the same system committing more crimes | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
than Mubarak. We have prisoners in front of a military court. Mubarak | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
didn't have all those prisoners, all through the 30 years. | :17:07. | :17:13. | |
The main slogan now, "the people demand the fall of the marshall", | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
Field Marshal Tantawi, who finally announced this week that | :17:17. | :17:23. | |
presidential elections will be held by next June. It was previously | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
implied it might take until April 2013. This retired general says the | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, never intended to hang on to power, | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
it is just bad at communication. 1th of July, for sure, I can assure | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
you, under any circumstance you won't see them any more. How bad | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
has the last week been for the army's reputation? Very bad. First | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
of all they were taking positions a bit late than the right time to do | :17:48. | :17:58. | |
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it. Not pensioning the road map, which I think is really a corner | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
stone, people were waiting for that and they didn't mention it, where | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
and how, they didn't mention. People were waiting it for a long | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
time. These people blame the army, not just for setting out a | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
timetable for democracy, but also the shooting of 30 protestors this | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
week and the beating and teargassing of many more. | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
TRANSLATION: We want a national salvation Government with wide | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
powers. We want the release of prisoners and swift trials of those | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
responsible for the violence, from the lowest to the highest official | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
involved. We want an independent fact-finding committee to | :18:35. | :18:45. | |
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investigate what happened. He's from a fundamental Salafi party. | :18:45. | :18:52. | |
It wants strict implementation of Sharia Law. But those from the | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
Muslim Brotherhood aren't here en mass. Their leaders have accepted | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
the army's timetable, in what many here see as a betrayal. | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
brotherhood are going to lose substantial numbers of seats in | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
parliament. People who were expecting to vote for them, are not | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
going to vote any more. Because they got betrayed at Tahrir Square. | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
They didn't support them, so they won't support them at the | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
parliament. Tonight I found one Brotherhood candidate, out | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
campaigning for parliamentary elections due to start on Monday. | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
Why wasn't he on the square today? We had a very good signs and | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
information that some of the powers and forces that are against the | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
revolution are trying to cause some sort of chaos in the square, making | :19:37. | :19:43. | |
use of current events, in order to post fon pon the elections. | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
postpone the elections. That is why as the freedom and justice party we | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
decided not to join in big masses. Hasn't the army succeeded in | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
dividing the opposition? I don't think they did, we believe it is a | :19:58. | :20:04. | |
short-term misunderstanding. We are willing to take this on our | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
shoulders, because we care more about the overall interests of the | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
country. The main thing is to have the elections going on. To have the | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
process completed, then we can move safely and peacefully into | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
democracy. Here, away from the square, there is still anger at the | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
military, but many now want to move on. It is the long-term social and | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
economic future of Egypt that worries them most. | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
What future will they choose? We will begin to discover next week, | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
when they hope they will be able to battle at the ballot box, not just | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
on Tahrir Square. Joining me now, the prominent | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
Egyptian journalist, who was assaulted by police, after she was | :20:47. | :20:53. | |
arrested on Wednesday. Thank you for joining us. I can see your arms | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
are pretty heavily bandaged there. Talk us through what happened? | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
Wednesday night I went out on to the frontline, between protestors | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
and the security forces on Mohamed Mahmoud Street. Riot police came | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
over on to our side of the barrier. The people around me managed to get | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
away. The riot police cornered me and beat me viciously with their | :21:17. | :21:23. | |
sticks, my arm and hand was broken. They sexually assaulted me as they | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
took me to the Interior Ministry, I had hands all over my body it was | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
awful. I was detained by the Ministry of Interior for five hours, | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
then military intelligence for another five to six hours. And | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
finally released with my hand, I said get me a doctor because I'm | :21:39. | :21:45. | |
really suffering. No medical aid, I was released after 10-12 hours. | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
Your's wasn't a specific case, how widespread do you think this was? | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
My case is by no means unique. A spokesperson from the Ministry of | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
Interior today tried to suggest this was an isolated incident. By | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
no means. What happened to me is just the tip of the iceberg of | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
police brutality in this country. The reason we started the | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
revolution on police day was to protest police brutally, nine | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
months later it continues. As you heard in the news report, almost 40 | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
people were killed in the past week. Hundreds, thousands have been | :22:19. | :22:24. | |
injured. Police brutality continues, and now accompanying it is army | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
brutality. When this Egyptian general admitted that virginity | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
checks are being carried out on women. What was the justification | :22:31. | :22:38. | |
for that? The sexual violence, the sexual violence I encountered is | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
not unique to the security forces, eventhough the army who had me for | :22:42. | :22:47. | |
five hours apologised for what happened with the police. The army | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
staff sexually assaulted women when they had activists in custody, and | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
subjected them to these horrendous sexual assaults. At first they | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
denied at the happened and called the women liars. Finally when they | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
conceded they subjected them to the awful assaults, they said these | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
were not girls like your daughters and mine, these were bad girls who | :23:06. | :23:12. | |
spent the night in Tahrir Square. It is a horrendous example of | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
patriarchy, that permeates all levels in Egypt, it is that which | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
we launched our revolution against, it continues through Egypt. Instead | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
of being symbolised by Mubarak, who we got rid of, it is symbolised by | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
Tantawi and the generals. We replaced one Mubarak with 18 mubs, | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
we must be free of military rule, that is why we came to the square | :23:34. | :23:40. | |
today. You describe a proper breakdown between the relationships | :23:40. | :23:48. | |
between people and the army. Is that repairable now? No, I believe | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
it is beyond repair. It is nine months, and most of the | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
revolution's demands have not been kept. People are continuously | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
losing trust in the supreme Military Council. The supreme | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
Military Council made a whole bunch of promises they haven't kept. We | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
recognise that it is not the army and the people that are one hand. | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
They broke my hand. It is the people and the people on the one | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
hand and the police and military together against the people. When I | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
was in custody, I asked one of the military men, why are you at war | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
with the Egyptian people. This is how we feel in Egypt they are at | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
war with us. We will not let them hijack our revolution. For many | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
people watching it, it is almost incomprehensible, that something | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
they thought had the start of a really positive new beginning, with | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
the end of Mubarak's rule and all the rest of it. What really went | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
wrong with that first stage of the revolution, do you think? I believe | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
what went wrong is the military took over. Egypt should never have | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
been under military rule. One of the main demands of the revolution | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
is Egypt falls under civilian rule. The military portrayed itself as | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
the guardians of the revolution, some people wanted to believe that | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
was the case. But from the very beginning, these virginity tests | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
you mentioned, they happened in March. A little over a month after | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
Mubarak was forced to step down. So many of us from the very beginning | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
had very little trust in the military. Some Egyptians wanted to | :25:10. | :25:18. | |
trust them, but that trust has definitely been whittled away at. | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
Thank God so many people came to the square they see the military | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
needs to step aside. 1234 Here is a little tale of | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
frustration from "middle England". Vandals armed with explosives have | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
embarked upon a dangerous campaign of blowing up parking metres in | :25:34. | :25:40. | |
Lewes on the Sotuh Downs. It is the second time the wave of metre-rage | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
has hit the historic market town. Officials are offering a reward of | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
�250 to anyone who can help stop the pavement anarchy. They have | :25:50. | :26:00. | |
:26:00. | :26:09. | ||
been down to East Sussex to work You know what they say, it is | :26:09. | :26:16. | |
always the quiet ones. Lewes is a charming little town, but also | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
distinctly characterful, as the estate agents put it. Someone has | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
been going around blowing up the pay-and-display machines, 14 of | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
them in the past few weeks alone. And the cops, not to put a fine a | :26:28. | :26:35. | |
point on it, are baffled. Have you been able to build up a | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
psychological profile of this individual or group? We haven't | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
gone that far, I would suggest they don't like the parking system. | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
could be a sign. Have you even come up with a nickname for this person | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
yet? We haven't gone to that much trouble yet, I'm afraid, I don't | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
think we are likely to. If our viewers think of one, you are not | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
interested? By all means if they want to think of one, I'm sure they | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
can think of a few. Something about this case got the | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
old juices going. We spent the afternoon gum-shoeing | :27:08. | :27:13. | |
around Lewes, and searching for clues. Did someone want to stop us | :27:13. | :27:18. | |
finding out the truth? Impossible to tell. | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
All I know is someone has been blowing up these babies with | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
fireworks. They call them rook- scarers down here. The damage has | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
cost �30,000 and counting. And no- one has seen a thing, not even the | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
CCTV. So many machines have been tampered | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
with, there were fears of a shortage of metres. Maybe of panic | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
parking, people queuing up and rationing introduced. So far it | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
hasn't come to that. In fact, some say the attack on the parking | :27:50. | :27:55. | |
machines doesn't come as a surprise to them. Lewes is maybe a | :27:55. | :28:00. | |
particular place people may be rebelling against such things. | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
haven't necessary got sympathy women this, no-one thinks this is | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
right. But I can understand why a lot of people, and there is a lot | :28:07. | :28:13. | |
of people in Lewes, if you were to introview them, that are very | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
against -- introduce them, that are very against the parking | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
restrictions we have here. They make a big deal out of | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
fireworks night in Lewes, with extraordinary, some say macarbre | :28:25. | :28:30. | |
effigies. The place even produced the crazy world of Arthur Brown, | :28:30. | :28:35. | |
who had a hit with a song. This is a town with gun powder in its blood. | :28:35. | :28:41. | |
Lewes and fireworks go together, and have done, for many years. In | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
this town it could be anybody in possession of fireworks. What has | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
happened in Lewes is something nobody can condone. It is a | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
combination of the skill and the will to do something, to destroy | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
parking metres in the way they have been. We have a very, very strong | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
bonfire tradition, there are a unusually high number of people in | :29:01. | :29:06. | |
our town who have a lot of skills with blowing things up. It is a | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
town full of pyromaniacs, is that what you are telling me? It is not, | :29:11. | :29:21. | |
:29:21. | :29:22. | ||
it is far more complicated than that. | :29:22. | :29:28. | |
Tonight the police remain on the trail of the firework enthusiast | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
putting the pay into pay-and- display. | :29:33. | :29:43. | |
:29:43. | :30:09. | ||
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review show will look at a new film about Marilyn Monroe, and a long | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
lost novel by Jack Kerouac. Before we go, George Michael has had to | :30:18. | :30:24. | |
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