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Tonight, record figures out today show the Government is way off | :00:09. | :00:19. | |
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target on immigration. Is the Polish master carpenter and others | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
pouring our economy. There are many more in work from Eastern Europe | :00:22. | :00:27. | |
than a year ago. They do more hours than most because they want to. | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
Because they want to earn the money. That's maybe where we fall down as | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
a nation. Is there a connection between them and record figures | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
today showing a million young people in England unemployed and | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
not in any form of education. I will be asking the Government why | :00:43. | :00:49. | |
they are off track. For those in work in the public sector, is next | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
week's strike in defence of pensions a negotiating master | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
stroke or disastrously mistimed. think it is irresponsible, I think | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
it is wrong, and people should know who to blame. A strike leader and a | :01:01. | :01:06. | |
Tory backbencher go head-to-head. It boasts the world's highest-paid | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
footballer, but it is now the most dangerous place in Europe. We go to | :01:10. | :01:15. | |
deepest Dagestan in search of the oligarch, using football as a | :01:15. | :01:25. | |
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Good evening. Tens of thousands a year, not hundreds of thousands a | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
year. That was the promise on immigration in the Conservative | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
manifesto last year. But the annual figure for 2010 is higher than ever. | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
Tonight, we will debate whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
and whether it directly effects unemployment. Today we also learn | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
the number of young people not in employment, education or training | :01:46. | :01:52. | |
was at record level. A British manufacturing company | :01:52. | :01:58. | |
bucking the trend. For this steel fabricator in south London, | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
contracts continue to roll in, eventhough competition and profit | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
margins are tight. We spent the afternoon at London Engineering, | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
trying to find out how Government policy on immigration and | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
employment plays out on the ground. Commercial manager, Richard Mulhall, | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
showed us around. In that parbt of the works, the new part, we have | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
the biggest guillotines and press makes in London. We cut sheet and | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
plate and fold it and bend it. sort of jobs have you got on, what | :02:26. | :02:32. | |
sort of clients? We worked for the Olympic stadium, the Emirates | :02:32. | :02:39. | |
stadium, the 02. In this Crucible part of the British economy we | :02:39. | :02:45. | |
found Polish Marcin Pawlowski, learning the petal makers trade. | :02:45. | :02:51. | |
left as an electrician and I had to learn about it. You had to learn | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
about steel fabrication? Everything. I learned how to read the drawings | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
and how to do the drawings back in Poland. But apart from that, | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
everything was brand new for me. While employment rates for UK | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
nationals stands at 71%, the figure for those arriving here from the | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
eight new EU accession group of countries, in Eastern Europe, is | :03:11. | :03:21. | |
82%. So are new immigrants like this | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
more employable, motivated or both. It is hard work, but you have to | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
get up in the morning, go out there and keep searching all the time. I | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
just walked into that company, through the door, and I asked the | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
question, is there any clans I could have a job in this -- chance | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
I could have a job in this place. The boss said we will see what | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
happened, and he just ended up calling me about three weeks later, | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
you know. So that's how it was. Really strange, but that is how it | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
was. It may not be the most glamorous of | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
work, but this south London engineering firm has a real niche | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
in the market, it is a specialist in designing and building bespoke | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
steel projects. It has a full order book. Why don't more British people | :04:02. | :04:09. | |
come here to work? What What is the workshop about? This is where we do | :04:09. | :04:18. | |
the heavy structural work. These are for the twin sails lifting | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
bridge, these are the traffic light standards for the ships and for the | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
cars when the bridge goes up and down. | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
London Engineering says it is very happy with its British workers. | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
Many are older and have been here for years. But there is a dirth of | :04:33. | :04:40. | |
younger British recruits. A little while ago, we had three chaps come | :04:40. | :04:46. | |
in from an agency, one was Norwegian, one was Rumanian and one | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
was a Polish lad. They were only with us for a few weeks, but no | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
English guys. Whether that is to do with not enough apprenticeships, | :04:55. | :05:01. | |
which I think is a lot of the case. In actual fact, we don't do it. I | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
know the Government have been trying to do various bits and | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
pieces on apprenticeships, I don't think anyone does it. | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
It is tempting to assume that choking off immigration would | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
liberate jobs for British workers. But this may not be a simple | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
equation. Motivation, welfare dependency, skills, are all factors | :05:19. | :05:25. | |
which cloud this picture. Even so, the Government's stated aim is to | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
limit net migration by tens of thousands by 2015. We are a long | :05:29. | :05:38. | |
way off that. Last year 59,000 people migrated to Britain. But -- | :05:38. | :05:46. | |
591,000 migrated to Britain, but 339,000 left, the lowest since 20 | :05:46. | :05:52. | |
01, it was a net high of net migration. The number not in | :05:52. | :06:00. | |
education or training rose to over 1.1 million, a record 19.2% rise. | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
It is a bad time to be young in this country? Shocking, soul | :06:04. | :06:09. | |
destroying, and leading people down the wrong road. You can see, if | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
they haven't got the opportunity to go out to work and not given the | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
start somewhere, I feel really, really sorry. | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
Labour argues the Government shows no sign of getting net migration | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
under control. Eventhough, of course, they had 13 years in power | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
to effect change. We think the Government has the wrong target in | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
the first place, but they are also not fulfiling their promises when | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
they were in opposition. They said that net migration should come down, | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
it has actually gone up by 10% on their watch. They said they would | :06:40. | :06:46. | |
make sure more people were repelled at the borders, in actual fact, the | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
number of people repelled at the borders has gone down instead of up. | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
Getting young people into work will take more than controlling | :06:53. | :07:00. | |
immigration. Those at the sharp end feel there are other factors at | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
play. Are you enough British youngsters coming forward for this | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
type of work? I don't think they are. I don't think it is appealing | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
to the youth of today that they genuinely want to get into what is | :07:09. | :07:15. | |
described as an old industry. It is very much hands on, it is heavy, it | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
is cumbersome, dirty. It is not attractive work. It is not | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
computer-orientated, which a lot of people want to do. This really is a | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
physical, demanding industry. Immigration from EU countries is | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
dwarfed by those arriving from overseas. 218,000 of the 25 2,000 | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
net figure last year. This, then, is the bigger challenge for | :07:37. | :07:45. | |
Government, it is hard to see how their target will be reached. | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
I spoke to the Immigration Minister, Damian Green, a little earlier. | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
Damian Green, in the Conservative manifesto, the pledge was to reduce | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
migration to in the tens of thousands. Do you accept that you | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
now won't make that bigger within the term of this parliament? Not at | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
all. We deliberately said we would do it in the term of the parliament, | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
because we knew that immigration was rising uncontrollably fast in | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
the final years of the Labour Government, and we knew, therefore, | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
that we would have to take early action, as we have done on work | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
visas and students and so on, but that it would take a long time to | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
do it. What we have seen with the figures today, shows how tough a | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
challenge it is, how bad the situation was we inherited in 2010, | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
and how right we were to start straight away doing this, it will | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
take the whole parliament. actual figures show, net migration, | :08:35. | :08:43. | |
to March 2011, 245,000, to March 2010, 22 2,000, so actually, net | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
migration is rising since you have been in power? According to the ONS | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
statistics we saw today, it seems to have peaked last September. | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
September a year ago. At 255,000, and has drifted down a very small | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
amount, I agree, through December and now to March of this year. | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
Nothing like enough, I agree, but that all happened before our | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
measures really started to take effect. As I say, that's why we had | :09:10. | :09:16. | |
to start straight away, so we will see the benefits in the years to | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
come. So not a guarantee you will get the migration into tens of | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
thousands within the time scale? That is what we set in the | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
manifesto and in the coalition agreement, that is what we are | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
aiming at. How much do you think the possibility of getting a job in | :09:32. | :09:38. | |
the UK is what attracts migrants? For some people that is obviously | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
the attraction. But the biggest source of immigration into Britain | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
is the student route. That accounts at its peak for about two-thirds of | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
the number of migrants that come here. That is why one of the big | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
actions we have taken has been to close down hundreds of bogus | :09:52. | :10:01. | |
colleges that were bringing in tens of thousands of students every year, | :10:01. | :10:07. | |
"students. Almost 100,000 from the European | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
Union more this year than last came in from the European Union on the | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
Labour Force Survey, good thing or bad thing they have jobs? | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
depends the kind of jobs they are doing. One of the other things we | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
are trying to do, apart from reduce the numbers, is be much more | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
targeted on the people who come here. Where we can control it, from | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
outside the European Union, we have set the bar at zero, we don't bring | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
in any unskilled workers. For skilled workers we are insisting | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
they have a graduate-level job, a decent salary. How is it, people | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
can't understand why unemployment is rising, and yet those migrants | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
in the jobs, the number of those is rising as well? One of the things | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
we clearly need to do is clear up the mess of the skills system in | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
this country. It is certainly true that many employers say they will | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
employ a foreign-born, often a European worker, rather than a | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
British worker, because they think British workers haven't the skills | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
or attitude. That is another problem we are trying to solve. | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
What do you say to an employer that is faced with a Polish worker and a | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
British-born worker, the Polish worker, on the face of it, has more | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
qualifications, are you really saying to the employer, take the | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
British-born worker over the Polish worker? We are saying that | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
employers have a wider sense of responsibility, so they should look | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
to their own community, they should participate. Can you enforce that? | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
They should participate in the training schemes, we are funding | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
tens of thousands more apprenticeships than we have had | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
before. Can we force someone to take a British worker, no. When | :11:35. | :11:41. | |
Gordon Brown talked about British jobs for British workers, that was | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
a meaningless soundbite. Should the employer take the skilled Polish | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
worker over the unskilled British worker should he not? We should | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
create more skilled British workers to compete with the skilled Polish | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
workers or from elsewhere in Europe. That is the long-term way to do it | :11:57. | :12:04. | |
to make sure we are more competitive. You have used the word | :12:04. | :12:09. | |
long-term" can I quote Iain Duncan Smith from July, he said short-term | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
immigration control is critical, otherwise we will lose another | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
generation to dependency and homelessness. But the short-term is | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
what you are fail anything? That is precisely what we are not fail | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
anything. That is why he the first thing we did was introduce a limit | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
even on skilled workers. The limit of unskilled workers from outside | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
the EU is zero. Is the inside the EU, they are taking some of the | :12:31. | :12:37. | |
skilled jobs? Actually, if you look at that net figure, far too high of | :12:37. | :12:44. | |
250,000. More than 200,000 of that net figure comes from people who | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
have come here from outside the European Union. Looking at the | :12:48. | :12:54. | |
figures for NEETs, and the figure of over a million, and do you sense | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
a panic in Government ranks, do you sense a panic that is what has | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
brought on this sudden billion pounds tomorrow to try to tackle | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
16-24s? No, it is not panic at all. We were saying for years in | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
opposition, first of all, that immigration was too high. And | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
second, that the problem of the NEETs, the young people not in | :13:14. | :13:16. | |
education or training, was one of the most serious problems facing | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
this country. That is why a lot of the early radical action we have | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
taken in Government has been on welfare reform, and has been on | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
immigration. They are, as you say, they are two sides of the same coin, | :13:27. | :13:34. | |
you have to get both of them right to have a stable labour market, and | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
a stable society. That is why it is so urgent we have worked on both of | :13:38. | :13:39. | |
them from day one of being in office. | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
Thank you very much. Here to discuss the impact | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
immigration might have is David Goodhart of the think-tank, Demos, | :13:47. | :13:54. | |
and the magazine Prospect, and our guest from the Royal Commonwealth | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
Society, and Kate Robertson, an advertising executive. First of all, | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
to you all, employers have a responsibility to look to their own | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
communities, that is what Damian Green has said what does that | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
actually mean? Well, I think there is a danger that we could have a | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
Saudi Arabianisation of our labour market, we have a lot of local | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
people, British nationals, sitting at home on benefit, and hundreds of | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
thousands of people coming in from the rest of Europe, or outside | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
Europe, and taking jobs, that is not a healthy thing for society. I | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
think there are things you should be able to do. Even within the | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
European Union, even given free movement, which is part of the | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
religion of the EU, obviously, you ought to be able to have | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
qualifications and caveats to that in areas of high youth unemployment. | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
Why not give special incentives to British employers, or local | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
employers to employ local people. That would be a restrictive | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
practice, eventhough they are EU nationals? It wouldn't be a | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
restricted practice. Lots of EU countries have these caveats. | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
Germany, for example, the public officials in Germany are not | :14:57. | :15:05. | |
allowed to be non-nationals. Would that be an argument to restrict | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
immigration? The first thing that strikes but this discussion is the | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
word "local" in the context of the UK, since joining the European | :15:12. | :15:17. | |
Union and the single labour market, is an employer in this country has | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
a choice of something like 450 million potential workers resident | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
in 27 European Union member states. That is great advantage to the | :15:24. | :15:31. | |
British economy, and that is something that employers have had | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
taken advantage of. That doesn't de diminish the responsibility of | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
employers to invest in local communities and invest in the | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
skills of young people, it is getting the balance right that is | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
the trick. From your point of view as an employer and somebody who | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
came from to this country from South Africa, how do you temper the | :15:50. | :15:56. | |
argument about sourcing local, as it were? I think I'm where Danny is | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
on this, I don't think it is as simple as conflating these two | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
issues, the rising immigration and rising unemployment among our young | :16:03. | :16:09. | |
people. I say "our", obviously I'm an immigrant. What I do feel | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
strongly about is we in business absolutely have a responsibility to | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
young people in this country. And I realise there is a potential there, | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
I think you are right when you picked Dave up about restrictive | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
practice. But I feel very strongly about the guy I work for, he | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
believes who cares wins, and he's absolutely determined in our | :16:27. | :16:34. | |
company that he care to win. I care about unemployed British youngsters. | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
But do you think immigration policy hits young working-class kids, | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
disproportionately? Of course it does, that is partly to do with the | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
membership of the European Union. It is true that we can't do | :16:46. | :16:54. | |
anything about it if we want to. Danny says it is a great benefit to | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
the British economy. Actually the economic consensus is that mass | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
immigration in the last 15 years has not made a huge difference to | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
British citizens, it has been beneficial to immigrants and | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
employers and better off people, not particularly good for the | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
economy as a whole. Do you agree with that? Absolutely not. The | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
thing we miss here is the counter effect. What would have happened in | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
Britain had the yue eastern Europeans not come, we would still | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
face an employment challenge and a problem with young people. You | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
might well argue, if you can't import the workers what may well | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
have happened is the jobs would have been exported. If you couldn't | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
get someone to pick the strawberries in farms in the UK, | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
Sainsbury's would have bought them from elsewhere. What do you think | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
about that? There is absolutely an issue here about the kind of job, | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
and the other thing that is serious is attitude to work, and there is | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
absolutely an issue there. It is known immigrants work...Do You see, | :17:57. | :18:07. | |
counter to that, do you see an attitude to work which is Less | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
enthusiastic, and the willingness to go the extra mile among British- | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
born, local people? I think that is an empirical assumption and it is | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
not the truth. It is not what I see in the work place, it is not what I | :18:19. | :18:25. | |
see in British youngsters. There is a limit, as you said, to what can | :18:25. | :18:31. | |
be done about the EU, the vast amounts of immigrants from the sub- | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
continent, that group of people will be restricted? I think that is | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
where the cuts will fall, and one of the challenges is, as the | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
minister has just said, half of the people who came last year are | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
international students, paying billions into the economy, cross | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
subsidising UK students in educational institutions. We are | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
talking about hundreds of bogus colleges, but actually a lot of | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
further education colleges a lot of higher education institutions will | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
absolutely need and thrive on international students? 300,000 a | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
year, 300,000 plus. There are a lot of students, in the sub-university | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
level, who are coming here, because they want to get permanent | :19:10. | :19:16. | |
residence. You are taking further education colleges into that as | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
well, really? Absolutely. You press down on one area of immigration, | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
the work permits have been pushed right down from outside the EU. | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
Labour started doing this before the Tories came into power, and | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
other things spring up if you allow them to. Students is where it is | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
springing up at the moment. Quite right to push it down. This | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
wouldn't damage higher education. Really? This cannot only be solved | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
by Government, whether it is caps or Government policy, or even I | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
think education policy there is an issue here. I think business | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
absolutely has a role to play here. If you look at the number of | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
businesses in the UK, who make profits in excess of �10 million a | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
year, there are lots, thousands. Where is the problem with looking | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
at that, making slightly less profit, and getting young people | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
into training and into work. And I believe business has got to | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
absolutely step up to the plate on this one. It is interesting, where | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
Richard Watson was filming, he said openly, we don't have apprentices. | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
Do you think it is acceptable for firms, for example, engineering | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
firms, not to have apprentices at the moment? No I don't. He said so | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
there. He said he himself felt he wasn't doing UN I'm very concerned | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
in my industry, I'm hyperaware, as a big employer, that we haven't | :20:37. | :20:43. | |
done enough. I completely accept, that we need to do much more, and | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
I'm determined to do it. Will the Government make the targets of tens | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
of thousands in five years. We are talking ten of thousand, we are | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
talking less than 99,000? They could easily do T we are in a | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
ludicrous panic about t they have been in power when the numbers were | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
done of six months. They are bearing down radically on all the | :21:04. | :21:10. | |
three big, student, work, family union routes, they are clamping | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
down radically on that, they have another three years to go. Does | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
immigration, per se, undermine the bonds of community. Is there a | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
bigger conversation there then? have indeed had a huge amount of | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
immigration in recent times. I think the chances are immigration | :21:26. | :21:32. | |
will start to fall. As the economy and the economic effects take place. | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
The Government is damed if it does, dammed if it doesn't. If it doesn't | :21:36. | :21:43. | |
make the target, people will feel they have been sold a false promise. | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
If it does meet the target we might not get the right workers for the | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
right jobs to meet economic recovery. | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
In these precarious times do people in work have to accept the deal in | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
life they thought they had has changed. Or the right that they | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
have earned that deal and they have to fight for it. That is the | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
fundamental issue at the heart of the public sector strike next week, | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
which the Chancellor described as a self-inflicted wound to the British | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
economy. Is the protection of pension at the moment a more | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
visceral issue than pay that mill yopbts are prepared to strike over | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
it.Le -- millions are prepared to strike over it. | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
The lessons of the 126 general strike loom large in British | :22:31. | :22:37. | |
industrial relations. The unions, an example of how | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
concerted action can have exponential impact. | :22:42. | :22:47. | |
For the Government, it showed that strikes can be defeated if the non- | :22:47. | :22:52. | |
unionised middle-class turns against them. In 1926, office | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
workers replaced the strikers, shovelling coal to keep the power | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
stations running. No question of that next Wednesday, but the | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
Government is trying to get other civil servants to staff passport | :23:04. | :23:10. | |
control. Well I think it is an act of desperation. The day before they | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
were offering to fly staff back from embassies around the world. | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
Now they want people without any training to do a very important job | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
at the borders. What they really should be doing is try to settle | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
the pensions dispute. For the Prime Minister, there were two good | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
reasons for being at the Toyota plant in Derbyshire today. Firstly, | :23:29. | :23:35. | |
the company has announced �100 million of new investment, | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
guarnteeing and creating new jobs. Secondly and a big factor in the | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
company's decision, Toyota in the UK has never lost an hour's | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
production to strikes. We will do what we can, for instance, to make | :23:45. | :23:51. | |
sure that our airports remain open, and that our border queues are not | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
intolerable. Everyone should be clear that there is going to be | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
disruption, and the reason for that disruption, the responsibility for | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
that disruption, lies squarely with the trade union leaders, who have | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
decided on a strike, even while negotiations are on going. I think | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
that is irresponsible. I think it is wrong, and people should know | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
who to blame. When Toyota was going through a | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
downturn, the workers agreed a 10% drop in Sally, rather than face job | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
cuts. The -- in salary, rather than face job cuts. The Government is | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
trying to get public sector workers to do the same thing, and agree to | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
a reduction in their pension entitlement, but they haven't got | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
close to agreement, eventhough there was an improved offer. This | :24:36. | :24:41. | |
man used to work for the GMB unions and said the unions are doing what | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
they are supposed to be doing? David Cameron can't have it both | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
ways, either the Government aren't granting concessions to the trade | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
unions, in which case it is perfectly reasonable for them to | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
say they are going on strike, or the Government is granting | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
concessions to the trade unions and their action is working and the | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
strike action seems perfectly sensible. As the unions leaflet | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
workers outside the Treasury, many Conservative backbenchers want the | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
Government to legislate to ban strikes, unless a majority of | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
members are balloted. Ministers fear such action could seem | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
inflammatory, instead they are talking about the cost of the | :25:16. | :25:22. | |
strikes. Half a billion pounds, they say, in lost output. We hope | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
that they won't be too paj damaging at all, it very much de-- damaging | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
at all, it all depends whether public sector workers use the time | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
between now and Wednesday, to look at the website, and check what | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
their pension will actually be. At the end of this, public sector | :25:38. | :25:40. | |
workers will still have pensions which will be the envy of most | :25:40. | :25:47. | |
people in the work force. Just like 1926, the Government | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
strategy is to get non-unionised opinion against the strikes. They | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
are, ministers insist, striking to keep the benefit that is you pay | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
for, and can't afford for yourself. The strikes have, of course, | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
created a big problem for the leader of the opposition, Labour | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
was founded and is funded by the unionists. But Mr Miliband can't | :26:08. | :26:14. | |
risk coming down on their side. Strikes are always a sign of | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
failure. That is absolutely clear. That is why I say no stone should | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
be left unturned to prevent these strikes happening. That is why it | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
is the responsibility of both sides. Of course it is the case that I | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
think throughout all of the services, basic services should be | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
maintained. Because everything should be done to make sure that | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
the safety of the public is not put at risk by this. There is, though, | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
annoyance among some trade unionists that Mr Miliband can, | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
apparently, be more supportive of the tents outside St Paul's, than | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
public sector workers. I thought he got it right in June when he took | :26:52. | :26:58. | |
the stance of urging caution, and distancing himself from the strikes. | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
I also think it is legitimate for unions to go on strike, but Ed has | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
complicated matters for his support of the Occupy movement. And a lot | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
of trade union members are saying if you he back the students and | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
others camped on St Paul's, why not us. In 126 some of the big winners | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
of the general strike were the pit ponies, who had a holiday in the | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
sunshine. The biggest problem for today's politicians is no-one can | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
predict how these strikes can go on, unless you know that, you can't | :27:29. | :27:37. | |
know public opinion will end up? The Conservative MP, Dominic Raab | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
and the Assistant-General secretary of Unison, Karen Jennings are both | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
here. Ed Milliband said strikes are always a sign of failure on both | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
sides, do you accept your role in that failure? What I would say to | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
Ed Milliband is that he needs to know the detail of what's happening | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
in those discussions. Don't you think he does? No, I don't think he | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
does know the detail. I don't think very many people do know what is | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
going on in relation to the negotiations. The opposition leader, | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
doesn't know the detail of what is going on in the negotiations? | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
may give you an example of what is happening. In local Government, the | :28:11. | :28:14. | |
employers have said that they don't have the information from the | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
Treasury to be able to negotiate. So they have gone away to try to | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
get the information, there are no talks now until after the | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
industrial action has taken place. Do you think Ed Milliband would be | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
more supportive, that is what you are saying, he would be more | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
supportive if he knew the detail? think Ed Milliband was quite | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
supportive today when he said today, for example, that the tax that is | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
going to be on public sector workers, 3.5%, 50% contribution | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
rate, on public sector workers only, and not a penny of that will go | :28:47. | :28:54. | |
towards their pensions. Dominic Raab, is it reasonable to put | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
public sector workers in this position at the moment? Of feeling | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
that they are so uncared for and undermined that they have to go on | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
strike. People that have never considered going on strike in their | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
lives? You take moral acrobatics to come to that conclusion. These | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
strikes will be very damaging for your economy, whatever the estimate. | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
At a time when we are vulnerable economic clee. The reality for | :29:19. | :29:25. | |
public sector workers, in the end they will have better pensions than | :29:25. | :29:30. | |
the private sector workers, subsidising them to an enormous | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
deagreement your average carpenter and hairdresser, will not be able | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
to access them, they will be suss dicing them. They will face mass -- | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
subsidising them, and they will face massive disruption because of | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
the strikes. It is unfair and irresponsible? It is not | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
irresponsible, we have had a ballot of the members, the vast majority | :29:49. | :29:53. | |
of those that have responded are women. Who are deeply concerned, | :29:53. | :29:58. | |
one about public services, two about what's happening to jobs, and | :29:58. | :30:03. | |
three, that the pension that they have contributed to, is being cut, | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
and also that they are going to have to work much longer. This is | :30:07. | :30:12. | |
deeply, deeply unfair. There are trade unions that historically, for | :30:12. | :30:19. | |
the first time, are going to take industrial action. Health service | :30:19. | :30:25. | |
trade unions alongside Unison, this is democracy in action. And you | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
would suggest that democracy in action is a very good thing, in | :30:28. | :30:31. | |
defence of liberty, you talked about that. You would presumably | :30:31. | :30:35. | |
endorse the right to strike and the right to make that decision? | :30:35. | :30:37. | |
example the European convention talk about the right to strike t | :30:37. | :30:42. | |
needs to be balanced with other freedoms and other people's | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
freedoms to go about their daily business and work. If you take the | :30:46. | :30:53. | |
ballot for Unison, Karen's union, just one in five union members | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
positively back the strike. If they can't convince their own membership | :30:56. | :31:02. | |
to support the strikes t tells you volumes about the case. That is why | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
the public, overwhelmingly oppose the strikes. I would urge Karen and | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
leaders to think again. You say the public overwhelmingly opposes the | :31:10. | :31:16. | |
strikes. Have you taken a ballot? All the polling from June to this | :31:16. | :31:19. | |
weekend show overwhelming opposition to the strikes. It is | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
obvious why, the vast majority of private sector tax-payers can't | :31:23. | :31:26. | |
afford this. Don't you think it is disgusting that this Government has | :31:26. | :31:32. | |
shown no leadership over private sector people. Who very often do | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
have poor pensions, but don't forget the public sector pensions, | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
if you look at a local Government worker, the average pension it �pun | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
3,000. If you look at a health service worker. They have been | :31:46. | :31:55. | |
protected. It is �6,000. They are protected. They will have to pay | :31:55. | :32:00. | |
for more the pension. It is a career-average, but you accept they | :32:00. | :32:07. | |
make a bigger contribution? There is protection in place for those up | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
to �18,000. Look at Europe and the US, we have a massive debt crisis, | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
sure, we are making tough decisions, of course, that comes with the | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
territory. It is incredibly self- indulge gent to believe the public | :32:19. | :32:25. | |
sector can be immune from change in this way. Do you accept public | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
sector workers should pay something for more their pension? No, I don't | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
accept that public sector workers should pay something for more their | :32:33. | :32:39. | |
pension. Your negotiating position is, not a penny more? What we are | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
negotiating at the moment, is looking at a new scheme, which | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
might be different from a final salary scheme, and we are up for | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
talking about that. I don't see why we should increase the amount | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
people are paying towards their pension, when the money that is | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
being increased is going towards paying back the deficit. It has | :32:57. | :33:04. | |
nothing to do with their pensions. Surely, if you want as you do, | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
health service and education reform, you should be undermining the | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
people that day in day out deliver vital services for you, you | :33:13. | :33:16. | |
shouldn't joined mine them? I don't think we are, that is why the | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
Treasury and cabinet office made a very generous offer to try to bring | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
it to a conclusion. Those approaching ten years of retirement | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
will not be affected by the changes. The Government has gone probably | :33:27. | :33:36. | |
too far. Very briefly, can I just confirm, too far, too far? In what | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
respect. Do you think that critical operations on Wednesday will go | :33:39. | :33:47. | |
ahead in hospitals? Critical operations, of course they will. | :33:47. | :33:51. | |
Guess where you will find the world's most highly paid football | :33:51. | :33:59. | |
player, not at Manchester City or elsewhere, but dags stran. A | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
Muslim-dominated Republic, next door to Chechnya. Now a billionare | :34:02. | :34:08. | |
is hope to go change things, by pouring vast sums of money into the | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
football team and projects. Can changing things on the pitch change | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
politics. People say it is bread and circuses, without clean rule of | :34:17. | :34:25. | |
law the insurgency will continue. Young people from Dagestan have a | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
new swagger in their step. Something is restoring pride and | :34:29. | :34:37. | |
hope to people in this downtrodden part of Russia. It's football. | :34:37. | :34:47. | |
:34:47. | :34:48. | ||
The local team, Makhachkala is being thrust into the spotlight. | :34:48. | :34:54. | |
Global stars line the city streets, inspiring people to dream. But, | :34:54. | :35:00. | |
Dagestan is now the epicentre of an Islamist insurgency. Militants | :35:00. | :35:05. | |
fight for an Islamic state across the north caucuses, Russian | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
soldiers have spent two decades battling this rebellion, in the | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
Muslim south. Bombings and assassinations happen virtually | :35:13. | :35:18. | |
every day. Terror attacks eminating from here, have reached the heart | :35:18. | :35:25. | |
of Moscow. Most Russians are too terrified to come to Dagestan. But | :35:25. | :35:31. | |
tonight, the premier Moscow club, CSKA, is in town, to play the | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
resurgent, star-studded home side. Cameroon striker, Samuel Eto'o, has | :35:35. | :35:43. | |
just signed for a reported cool $30 million a year. Making him the | :35:43. | :35:49. | |
world's best paid player. Brazilian legend, Roberto Carlos, is player- | :35:49. | :35:54. | |
manager. The fans cheer on the team and four minutes in Eto'o scores, | :35:54. | :36:04. | |
:36:04. | :36:04. | ||
the crowd goes wild. It just the kind of morale booster they needed | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
in this violent and tired Republic. Those who have poured millions into | :36:08. | :36:10. | |
the team hope it is money well spent. | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
But who is paying for this? It is a local boy turned billionare, called | :36:15. | :36:21. | |
Suleiman Kerimov, he's the one bank rolling this football fantasy. The | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
reclusive yacht-owning oligarch, is rumoured to have had his epiphany, | :36:26. | :36:33. | |
when his Ferrari crashed in 2006. After cheating death, he decided to | :36:33. | :36:38. | |
invest in his embattled homeland. What do people think of Kerimov's | :36:38. | :36:43. | |
global shopping spree, in a place where most people are lucky to earn | :36:43. | :36:49. | |
�250 a month. TRANSLATION: It is his money, he can do he likes with | :36:49. | :36:56. | |
it. Everything he -- He can do what he likes with it. Everything he | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
does is to support our Dagestan. is not just about football, | :37:00. | :37:07. | |
everything is connected. The ecstacy wears off, the Moscow | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
side equalise, and then score another four goals. As the mood | :37:11. | :37:17. | |
sours, I discover that Kerimov's project is not without its critics. | :37:17. | :37:25. | |
I spot a banner, better rating fans for ignoring -- berating fans for | :37:25. | :37:32. | |
ignoring Islamic principles. The men next to it subscribe to a | :37:32. | :37:40. | |
growing militant Islam here, called ZAF feeism. TRANSLATION: We don't | :37:40. | :37:46. | |
want football to be a new religion, we, the Islamic youth, don't like | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
it. TRANSLATION: Our Republic is the poorest part of the Russian | :37:50. | :37:55. | |
federation, but �20 million is spent on one player, it is like | :37:55. | :37:59. | |
gladiators in ancient Rome, and the people are starving. Our people are | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
hungry, they are being killed, and we are in the middle of a civil war, | :38:03. | :38:08. | |
and yet they sit and watch this spectacle. You don't have to stray | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
far from the football to see what this man means. Just around the | :38:12. | :38:18. | |
corner of the stadium, I'm shown the site of the latest bomb blast. | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
First a device exploded outside a shop selling alcohol. Then there | :38:22. | :38:27. | |
was a second, more powerful blast, timed to coincide with the arrival | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
of the emergency services. One policeman and a child were killed, | :38:32. | :38:40. | |
60 were wounded. My guide is a counter terrorist officer I met at | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
the football match. Doesn't want to show his face. Government officials | :38:44. | :38:50. | |
and police are the main targets of the militants. TRANSLATION: Many of | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
our colleagues die on duty. Many mothers have lost sons and wives | :38:55. | :39:00. | |
have lost husbands, children their fathers. There are loss, but what | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
can we do we have to fight this battle to the end. | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
This building is the centre of the fight against extremism, and it is | :39:08. | :39:10. | |
extraordinary that we are being given a chance to go inside and | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
talk to the people who work here about their jobs. | :39:15. | :39:25. | |
I ask my guide whether things are improving? TRANSLATION: | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
Unfortunately, it is not getting any better. They have become more | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
brutal, and more cynical, they are just people who will do anything. | :39:32. | :39:37. | |
They have been sucked into the swamp, and they can't get out. | :39:37. | :39:42. | |
Another officer shows me a recent example of this brutality. | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
The story of this man is particularly shocking, his father | :39:45. | :39:50. | |
was a local police chief, who was shot dead. Then, when his wife, his | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
sister, and his daughter went to put flowers on the freshly-dug | :39:53. | :39:59. | |
grave, they were blown up. The last remaining member of the family was | :39:59. | :40:09. | |
:40:09. | :40:09. | ||
this man, he was killed too, not long afterwards. | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
Billionare owner Suleiman Kerimov believes creating jobs and | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
improving lives are the best ways to fight the insurgency. This is | :40:15. | :40:24. | |
the promo for one of his projects. A brand new city. | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
His righthandman, is showing me this stadium, part of his | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
employment strategy. Kerimov is also finalising plans for yet | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
another even bigger stadium, for potential use in Russia's 2018 | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
World Cup. TRANSLATION: Football was just a | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
starting point. What is going on here is very bad. If there were | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
jobs, that would already be something. If I had no way out, no | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
job, no food and a family to feed, I might take up arms too. | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
I tell him it seems to me Kerimov is doing more than the Government | :40:58. | :41:04. | |
here? TRANSLATION: Indeed he is, everybody knows he's doing more | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
than the Government. Take this stadium, originally a Government | :41:07. | :41:12. | |
project, and a huge amount of money was provided, nothing was done. | :41:12. | :41:17. | |
Now he has bought it and it has been built properly, but the public | :41:17. | :41:23. | |
funds were just stolen, that is what happens here. | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
Sickened by entrenched corruption, more and more people are drawn to | :41:27. | :41:33. | |
new ideas, and rejecting the mainstream, football is no option. | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
The Salafi league has 32 seems playing every Sunday morning, the | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
co-ordinator, is dismissive of Kerimov's money-driven model. | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
TRANSLATION: I don't like their slogan that we are the territory of | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
Ang e, we live in the territory of Dagestan, which I would like to be | :41:51. | :42:01. | |
the territory of Islam. Salafi's poll a strict -- Salafis | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
follow a strict brand of Islam, they believe Sufi Muslims are | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
tainted because of their support for the authorities and support for | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
a secular state. A Salafi dream is a new social order in Dagestan, one | :42:15. | :42:21. | |
built on Sharia Law, they tell me. TRANSLATION: If we see a kissing a | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
woman or drinking, we discreetly remind him of where he lives. | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
him how people react? Generally people react well. Believe me, if | :42:31. | :42:37. | |
we had our way, you wouldn't be able to buy alcohol or tobacco here. | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
You would never find women who walk around uncovered like you. | :42:42. | :42:49. | |
What does he think about the people who take up arms for the cause? | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
TRANSLATION: These people have chosen a certain path, and will | :42:52. | :42:58. | |
answer for what they do. If they are right, then there awaits them | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
enormous prizes, hundreds of times greater than mine. But I swear to | :43:01. | :43:07. | |
Allah I do not condemn them. This kind of talk alarms the | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
authorities, and sometimes leads to heavyhanded responses from the | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
Security Services. The consequences can be deadly. | :43:15. | :43:23. | |
I have come to investigate an incident in theville age, three | :43:23. | :43:29. | |
hours from Makhachkala. -- the village, three years miles from | :43:29. | :43:36. | |
Makhachkala. There is not much here and the outlook is believe belief. | :43:36. | :43:42. | |
This mosque has attracted new believers, Salafis, in May, during | :43:42. | :43:47. | |
Friday prayers, the building was surrounded by armed security forces. | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
Plain clothed officers in muddy boots burst in and arrested 150 | :43:52. | :43:56. | |
worshipers, including 15 school boys. | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
Said Gereikhanov, the young Salafi Imam, shows me evidence of abuse, | :44:00. | :44:06. | |
the men and boys were all taken to a police station where they were | :44:06. | :44:12. | |
beaten, some had their hair torn out and beards shaved off. He says | :44:12. | :44:18. | |
the village teachers appeared to be permissive. TRANSLATION: The police | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
summoned the headmaster and the deputy to the station, they saw the | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
badly-bruised young men and heard shouts and schemes, they knew what | :44:25. | :44:30. | |
was going on. The teachers called them dogs for going to the mosques. | :44:30. | :44:37. | |
The headmaster, Sadikullah Akhmedov, was a sworn enemy of the Salafis, | :44:37. | :44:40. | |
at this heated public meeting immediately after the mosque | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
invasion. He claimed the young radicals would soon impose Sharia | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
Law on the village and force all the women to wear vails. He | :44:49. | :44:56. | |
denounced a rein of ter -- regin of terror where pro-secular teachers | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
like him would be murdered. Little did he expect he would become the | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
next target. I head for the school and find a | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
biology teacher who agrees to tell me what happened to his boss on the | :45:07. | :45:17. | |
:45:17. | :45:17. | ||
night of Julyth. -- July 9th. | :45:17. | :45:25. | |
They shot him in his home at point blank rairpbg in the face. -- range | :45:25. | :45:31. | |
in the face. His wife and son were watching TV, nobody knows what they | :45:31. | :45:36. | |
did it. The situation here is still very tense, back at the mosque, | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
they tell me they are sure the radical underground killed the | :45:40. | :45:44. | |
school head. TRANSLATION: We don't think murdering people is the way | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
to solve problems, that is not the way to bring about justice. It just | :45:47. | :45:53. | |
makes things worse. This war has been going on for 20 years. | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
But with increasing numbers of young men from villages like these, | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
taking up arms, it seems the very lawlessness of the authorities is | :46:02. | :46:09. | |
feeding this insurgency. It will take a lot more than football stars, | :46:09. | :46:16. | |
and Kerimov's billions, to cure the ills in this deeply divided society. | :46:16. | :46:19. | |
Tomorrow morning's front pages, beginning with the Financial Times, | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
you have the story that the US blocks key climate fund. But below | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
it Tory pledges under pressure, as net migration hits record high. The | :46:28. | :46:33. | |
Mail has another story, the Conservative minister, Michael Gove, | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
he takes on education establishment in a passionate rallying cry for a | :46:37. | :46:39. | |
in a passionate rallying cry for a return to traditional teaching | :46:39. | :46:49. | |
:46:49. | :47:11. | ||
Tonight we leave you with the worst football team in the world. Well, | :47:11. | :47:16. | |
they were the worst, but that may now have changed, after American | :47:16. | :47:21. | |
Samoa finally scored and won a match against Tonga. It followed 0 | :47:21. | :47:31. | |
:47:31. | :47:59. | ||
straight defeats in two decades, go Pretty wild night out there, heavy | :47:59. | :48:02. | |
rain and strong winds sweeping across the country. That should | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
have gone by morning. Things settling down. Sunshine for many of | :48:06. | :48:09. | |
us. It will be chilly and the showers across the north will be | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
wintry. Up over the high ground. Further south relatively few | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
showers, one or two getting down through the Midlands. Temperatures | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
struggling a bit until recently. In the breeze it will be cool. A | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
lot of dry weather across southern England. A few showers getting into | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
the south west, by the end of the afternoon. They will have moved in | :48:29. | :48:35. | |
a band through Wales, with sunshine returning afterwards. 10 degrees, | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
fresh, with the wind coming off the sea. Positively chilly further | :48:39. | :48:41. | |
north. For Northern Ireland sixes and sevens will be typical. Still | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
showers to come. Up towards the north coast, a wintry scene across | :48:45. | :48:50. | |
the Highlands of Scotland. Snowfall down to low level, gusty winds, | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
temperatures round about 5-7. Across northern parts of the UK, it | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
stays pretty disturbed into the weekend, rain clouds gathering | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
again. The wind picking up, a stormy spell across the far north | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
into Saturday night. Further south it will be dryer, the winds won't | :49:04. | :49:10. | |
be so strong. Generally not a bad weekend coming up in store. Dry, | :49:10. | :49:14. | |
bright weather, temperatures still not too bad. The rest of the | :49:14. | :49:18. |