24/11/2011 Newsnight


A look at the jobs market crunch, as net migration peaks and youth unemployment surges. And why is the world's best-paid footballer in possibly the most dangerous place in Europe?

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Tonight, record figures out today show the Government is way off


target on immigration. Is the Polish master carpenter and others


pouring our economy. There are many more in work from Eastern Europe


than a year ago. They do more hours than most because they want to.


Because they want to earn the money. That's maybe where we fall down as


a nation. Is there a connection between them and record figures


today showing a million young people in England unemployed and


not in any form of education. I will be asking the Government why


they are off track. For those in work in the public sector, is next


week's strike in defence of pensions a negotiating master


stroke or disastrously mistimed. think it is irresponsible, I think


it is wrong, and people should know who to blame. A strike leader and a


Tory backbencher go head-to-head. It boasts the world's highest-paid


footballer, but it is now the most dangerous place in Europe. We go to


deepest Dagestan in search of the oligarch, using football as a


Good evening. Tens of thousands a year, not hundreds of thousands a


year. That was the promise on immigration in the Conservative


manifesto last year. But the annual figure for 2010 is higher than ever.


Tonight, we will debate whether this is a good thing or a bad thing,


and whether it directly effects unemployment. Today we also learn


the number of young people not in employment, education or training


was at record level. A British manufacturing company


bucking the trend. For this steel fabricator in south London,


contracts continue to roll in, eventhough competition and profit


margins are tight. We spent the afternoon at London Engineering,


trying to find out how Government policy on immigration and


employment plays out on the ground. Commercial manager, Richard Mulhall,


showed us around. In that parbt of the works, the new part, we have


the biggest guillotines and press makes in London. We cut sheet and


plate and fold it and bend it. sort of jobs have you got on, what


sort of clients? We worked for the Olympic stadium, the Emirates


stadium, the 02. In this Crucible part of the British economy we


found Polish Marcin Pawlowski, learning the petal makers trade.


left as an electrician and I had to learn about it. You had to learn


about steel fabrication? Everything. I learned how to read the drawings


and how to do the drawings back in Poland. But apart from that,


everything was brand new for me. While employment rates for UK


nationals stands at 71%, the figure for those arriving here from the


eight new EU accession group of countries, in Eastern Europe, is


82%. So are new immigrants like this


more employable, motivated or both. It is hard work, but you have to


get up in the morning, go out there and keep searching all the time. I


just walked into that company, through the door, and I asked the


question, is there any clans I could have a job in this -- chance


I could have a job in this place. The boss said we will see what


happened, and he just ended up calling me about three weeks later,


you know. So that's how it was. Really strange, but that is how it


was. It may not be the most glamorous of


work, but this south London engineering firm has a real niche


in the market, it is a specialist in designing and building bespoke


steel projects. It has a full order book. Why don't more British people


come here to work? What What is the workshop about? This is where we do


the heavy structural work. These are for the twin sails lifting


bridge, these are the traffic light standards for the ships and for the


cars when the bridge goes up and down.


London Engineering says it is very happy with its British workers.


Many are older and have been here for years. But there is a dirth of


younger British recruits. A little while ago, we had three chaps come


in from an agency, one was Norwegian, one was Rumanian and one


was a Polish lad. They were only with us for a few weeks, but no


English guys. Whether that is to do with not enough apprenticeships,


which I think is a lot of the case. In actual fact, we don't do it. I


know the Government have been trying to do various bits and


pieces on apprenticeships, I don't think anyone does it.


It is tempting to assume that choking off immigration would


liberate jobs for British workers. But this may not be a simple


equation. Motivation, welfare dependency, skills, are all factors


which cloud this picture. Even so, the Government's stated aim is to


limit net migration by tens of thousands by 2015. We are a long


way off that. Last year 59,000 people migrated to Britain. But --


591,000 migrated to Britain, but 339,000 left, the lowest since 20


01, it was a net high of net migration. The number not in


education or training rose to over 1.1 million, a record 19.2% rise.


It is a bad time to be young in this country? Shocking, soul


destroying, and leading people down the wrong road. You can see, if


they haven't got the opportunity to go out to work and not given the


start somewhere, I feel really, really sorry.


Labour argues the Government shows no sign of getting net migration


under control. Eventhough, of course, they had 13 years in power


to effect change. We think the Government has the wrong target in


the first place, but they are also not fulfiling their promises when


they were in opposition. They said that net migration should come down,


it has actually gone up by 10% on their watch. They said they would


make sure more people were repelled at the borders, in actual fact, the


number of people repelled at the borders has gone down instead of up.


Getting young people into work will take more than controlling


immigration. Those at the sharp end feel there are other factors at


play. Are you enough British youngsters coming forward for this


type of work? I don't think they are. I don't think it is appealing


to the youth of today that they genuinely want to get into what is


described as an old industry. It is very much hands on, it is heavy, it


is cumbersome, dirty. It is not attractive work. It is not


computer-orientated, which a lot of people want to do. This really is a


physical, demanding industry. Immigration from EU countries is


dwarfed by those arriving from overseas. 218,000 of the 25 2,000


net figure last year. This, then, is the bigger challenge for


Government, it is hard to see how their target will be reached.


I spoke to the Immigration Minister, Damian Green, a little earlier.


Damian Green, in the Conservative manifesto, the pledge was to reduce


migration to in the tens of thousands. Do you accept that you


now won't make that bigger within the term of this parliament? Not at


all. We deliberately said we would do it in the term of the parliament,


because we knew that immigration was rising uncontrollably fast in


the final years of the Labour Government, and we knew, therefore,


that we would have to take early action, as we have done on work


visas and students and so on, but that it would take a long time to


do it. What we have seen with the figures today, shows how tough a


challenge it is, how bad the situation was we inherited in 2010,


and how right we were to start straight away doing this, it will


take the whole parliament. actual figures show, net migration,


to March 2011, 245,000, to March 2010, 22 2,000, so actually, net


migration is rising since you have been in power? According to the ONS


statistics we saw today, it seems to have peaked last September.


September a year ago. At 255,000, and has drifted down a very small


amount, I agree, through December and now to March of this year.


Nothing like enough, I agree, but that all happened before our


measures really started to take effect. As I say, that's why we had


to start straight away, so we will see the benefits in the years to


come. So not a guarantee you will get the migration into tens of


thousands within the time scale? That is what we set in the


manifesto and in the coalition agreement, that is what we are


aiming at. How much do you think the possibility of getting a job in


the UK is what attracts migrants? For some people that is obviously


the attraction. But the biggest source of immigration into Britain


is the student route. That accounts at its peak for about two-thirds of


the number of migrants that come here. That is why one of the big


actions we have taken has been to close down hundreds of bogus


colleges that were bringing in tens of thousands of students every year,


"students. Almost 100,000 from the European


Union more this year than last came in from the European Union on the


Labour Force Survey, good thing or bad thing they have jobs?


depends the kind of jobs they are doing. One of the other things we


are trying to do, apart from reduce the numbers, is be much more


targeted on the people who come here. Where we can control it, from


outside the European Union, we have set the bar at zero, we don't bring


in any unskilled workers. For skilled workers we are insisting


they have a graduate-level job, a decent salary. How is it, people


can't understand why unemployment is rising, and yet those migrants


in the jobs, the number of those is rising as well? One of the things


we clearly need to do is clear up the mess of the skills system in


this country. It is certainly true that many employers say they will


employ a foreign-born, often a European worker, rather than a


British worker, because they think British workers haven't the skills


or attitude. That is another problem we are trying to solve.


What do you say to an employer that is faced with a Polish worker and a


British-born worker, the Polish worker, on the face of it, has more


qualifications, are you really saying to the employer, take the


British-born worker over the Polish worker? We are saying that


employers have a wider sense of responsibility, so they should look


to their own community, they should participate. Can you enforce that?


They should participate in the training schemes, we are funding


tens of thousands more apprenticeships than we have had


before. Can we force someone to take a British worker, no. When


Gordon Brown talked about British jobs for British workers, that was


a meaningless soundbite. Should the employer take the skilled Polish


worker over the unskilled British worker should he not? We should


create more skilled British workers to compete with the skilled Polish


workers or from elsewhere in Europe. That is the long-term way to do it


to make sure we are more competitive. You have used the word


long-term" can I quote Iain Duncan Smith from July, he said short-term


immigration control is critical, otherwise we will lose another


generation to dependency and homelessness. But the short-term is


what you are fail anything? That is precisely what we are not fail


anything. That is why he the first thing we did was introduce a limit


even on skilled workers. The limit of unskilled workers from outside


the EU is zero. Is the inside the EU, they are taking some of the


skilled jobs? Actually, if you look at that net figure, far too high of


250,000. More than 200,000 of that net figure comes from people who


have come here from outside the European Union. Looking at the


figures for NEETs, and the figure of over a million, and do you sense


a panic in Government ranks, do you sense a panic that is what has


brought on this sudden billion pounds tomorrow to try to tackle


16-24s? No, it is not panic at all. We were saying for years in


opposition, first of all, that immigration was too high. And


second, that the problem of the NEETs, the young people not in


education or training, was one of the most serious problems facing


this country. That is why a lot of the early radical action we have


taken in Government has been on welfare reform, and has been on


immigration. They are, as you say, they are two sides of the same coin,


you have to get both of them right to have a stable labour market, and


a stable society. That is why it is so urgent we have worked on both of


them from day one of being in office.


Thank you very much. Here to discuss the impact


immigration might have is David Goodhart of the think-tank, Demos,


and the magazine Prospect, and our guest from the Royal Commonwealth


Society, and Kate Robertson, an advertising executive. First of all,


to you all, employers have a responsibility to look to their own


communities, that is what Damian Green has said what does that


actually mean? Well, I think there is a danger that we could have a


Saudi Arabianisation of our labour market, we have a lot of local


people, British nationals, sitting at home on benefit, and hundreds of


thousands of people coming in from the rest of Europe, or outside


Europe, and taking jobs, that is not a healthy thing for society. I


think there are things you should be able to do. Even within the


European Union, even given free movement, which is part of the


religion of the EU, obviously, you ought to be able to have


qualifications and caveats to that in areas of high youth unemployment.


Why not give special incentives to British employers, or local


employers to employ local people. That would be a restrictive


practice, eventhough they are EU nationals? It wouldn't be a


restricted practice. Lots of EU countries have these caveats.


Germany, for example, the public officials in Germany are not


allowed to be non-nationals. Would that be an argument to restrict


immigration? The first thing that strikes but this discussion is the


word "local" in the context of the UK, since joining the European


Union and the single labour market, is an employer in this country has


a choice of something like 450 million potential workers resident


in 27 European Union member states. That is great advantage to the


British economy, and that is something that employers have had


taken advantage of. That doesn't de diminish the responsibility of


employers to invest in local communities and invest in the


skills of young people, it is getting the balance right that is


the trick. From your point of view as an employer and somebody who


came from to this country from South Africa, how do you temper the


argument about sourcing local, as it were? I think I'm where Danny is


on this, I don't think it is as simple as conflating these two


issues, the rising immigration and rising unemployment among our young


people. I say "our", obviously I'm an immigrant. What I do feel


strongly about is we in business absolutely have a responsibility to


young people in this country. And I realise there is a potential there,


I think you are right when you picked Dave up about restrictive


practice. But I feel very strongly about the guy I work for, he


believes who cares wins, and he's absolutely determined in our


company that he care to win. I care about unemployed British youngsters.


But do you think immigration policy hits young working-class kids,


disproportionately? Of course it does, that is partly to do with the


membership of the European Union. It is true that we can't do


anything about it if we want to. Danny says it is a great benefit to


the British economy. Actually the economic consensus is that mass


immigration in the last 15 years has not made a huge difference to


British citizens, it has been beneficial to immigrants and


employers and better off people, not particularly good for the


economy as a whole. Do you agree with that? Absolutely not. The


thing we miss here is the counter effect. What would have happened in


Britain had the yue eastern Europeans not come, we would still


face an employment challenge and a problem with young people. You


might well argue, if you can't import the workers what may well


have happened is the jobs would have been exported. If you couldn't


get someone to pick the strawberries in farms in the UK,


Sainsbury's would have bought them from elsewhere. What do you think


about that? There is absolutely an issue here about the kind of job,


and the other thing that is serious is attitude to work, and there is


absolutely an issue there. It is known immigrants work...Do You see,


counter to that, do you see an attitude to work which is Less


enthusiastic, and the willingness to go the extra mile among British-


born, local people? I think that is an empirical assumption and it is


not the truth. It is not what I see in the work place, it is not what I


see in British youngsters. There is a limit, as you said, to what can


be done about the EU, the vast amounts of immigrants from the sub-


continent, that group of people will be restricted? I think that is


where the cuts will fall, and one of the challenges is, as the


minister has just said, half of the people who came last year are


international students, paying billions into the economy, cross


subsidising UK students in educational institutions. We are


talking about hundreds of bogus colleges, but actually a lot of


further education colleges a lot of higher education institutions will


absolutely need and thrive on international students? 300,000 a


year, 300,000 plus. There are a lot of students, in the sub-university


level, who are coming here, because they want to get permanent


residence. You are taking further education colleges into that as


well, really? Absolutely. You press down on one area of immigration,


the work permits have been pushed right down from outside the EU.


Labour started doing this before the Tories came into power, and


other things spring up if you allow them to. Students is where it is


springing up at the moment. Quite right to push it down. This


wouldn't damage higher education. Really? This cannot only be solved


by Government, whether it is caps or Government policy, or even I


think education policy there is an issue here. I think business


absolutely has a role to play here. If you look at the number of


businesses in the UK, who make profits in excess of �10 million a


year, there are lots, thousands. Where is the problem with looking


at that, making slightly less profit, and getting young people


into training and into work. And I believe business has got to


absolutely step up to the plate on this one. It is interesting, where


Richard Watson was filming, he said openly, we don't have apprentices.


Do you think it is acceptable for firms, for example, engineering


firms, not to have apprentices at the moment? No I don't. He said so


there. He said he himself felt he wasn't doing UN I'm very concerned


in my industry, I'm hyperaware, as a big employer, that we haven't


done enough. I completely accept, that we need to do much more, and


I'm determined to do it. Will the Government make the targets of tens


of thousands in five years. We are talking ten of thousand, we are


talking less than 99,000? They could easily do T we are in a


ludicrous panic about t they have been in power when the numbers were


done of six months. They are bearing down radically on all the


three big, student, work, family union routes, they are clamping


down radically on that, they have another three years to go. Does


immigration, per se, undermine the bonds of community. Is there a


bigger conversation there then? have indeed had a huge amount of


immigration in recent times. I think the chances are immigration


will start to fall. As the economy and the economic effects take place.


The Government is damed if it does, dammed if it doesn't. If it doesn't


make the target, people will feel they have been sold a false promise.


If it does meet the target we might not get the right workers for the


right jobs to meet economic recovery.


In these precarious times do people in work have to accept the deal in


life they thought they had has changed. Or the right that they


have earned that deal and they have to fight for it. That is the


fundamental issue at the heart of the public sector strike next week,


which the Chancellor described as a self-inflicted wound to the British


economy. Is the protection of pension at the moment a more


visceral issue than pay that mill yopbts are prepared to strike over


it.Le -- millions are prepared to strike over it.


The lessons of the 126 general strike loom large in British


industrial relations. The unions, an example of how


concerted action can have exponential impact.


For the Government, it showed that strikes can be defeated if the non-


unionised middle-class turns against them. In 1926, office


workers replaced the strikers, shovelling coal to keep the power


stations running. No question of that next Wednesday, but the


Government is trying to get other civil servants to staff passport


control. Well I think it is an act of desperation. The day before they


were offering to fly staff back from embassies around the world.


Now they want people without any training to do a very important job


at the borders. What they really should be doing is try to settle


the pensions dispute. For the Prime Minister, there were two good


reasons for being at the Toyota plant in Derbyshire today. Firstly,


the company has announced �100 million of new investment,


guarnteeing and creating new jobs. Secondly and a big factor in the


company's decision, Toyota in the UK has never lost an hour's


production to strikes. We will do what we can, for instance, to make


sure that our airports remain open, and that our border queues are not


intolerable. Everyone should be clear that there is going to be


disruption, and the reason for that disruption, the responsibility for


that disruption, lies squarely with the trade union leaders, who have


decided on a strike, even while negotiations are on going. I think


that is irresponsible. I think it is wrong, and people should know


who to blame. When Toyota was going through a


downturn, the workers agreed a 10% drop in Sally, rather than face job


cuts. The -- in salary, rather than face job cuts. The Government is


trying to get public sector workers to do the same thing, and agree to


a reduction in their pension entitlement, but they haven't got


close to agreement, eventhough there was an improved offer. This


man used to work for the GMB unions and said the unions are doing what


they are supposed to be doing? David Cameron can't have it both


ways, either the Government aren't granting concessions to the trade


unions, in which case it is perfectly reasonable for them to


say they are going on strike, or the Government is granting


concessions to the trade unions and their action is working and the


strike action seems perfectly sensible. As the unions leaflet


workers outside the Treasury, many Conservative backbenchers want the


Government to legislate to ban strikes, unless a majority of


members are balloted. Ministers fear such action could seem


inflammatory, instead they are talking about the cost of the


strikes. Half a billion pounds, they say, in lost output. We hope


that they won't be too paj damaging at all, it very much de-- damaging


at all, it all depends whether public sector workers use the time


between now and Wednesday, to look at the website, and check what


their pension will actually be. At the end of this, public sector


workers will still have pensions which will be the envy of most


people in the work force. Just like 1926, the Government


strategy is to get non-unionised opinion against the strikes. They


are, ministers insist, striking to keep the benefit that is you pay


for, and can't afford for yourself. The strikes have, of course,


created a big problem for the leader of the opposition, Labour


was founded and is funded by the unionists. But Mr Miliband can't


risk coming down on their side. Strikes are always a sign of


failure. That is absolutely clear. That is why I say no stone should


be left unturned to prevent these strikes happening. That is why it


is the responsibility of both sides. Of course it is the case that I


think throughout all of the services, basic services should be


maintained. Because everything should be done to make sure that


the safety of the public is not put at risk by this. There is, though,


annoyance among some trade unionists that Mr Miliband can,


apparently, be more supportive of the tents outside St Paul's, than


public sector workers. I thought he got it right in June when he took


the stance of urging caution, and distancing himself from the strikes.


I also think it is legitimate for unions to go on strike, but Ed has


complicated matters for his support of the Occupy movement. And a lot


of trade union members are saying if you he back the students and


others camped on St Paul's, why not us. In 126 some of the big winners


of the general strike were the pit ponies, who had a holiday in the


sunshine. The biggest problem for today's politicians is no-one can


predict how these strikes can go on, unless you know that, you can't


know public opinion will end up? The Conservative MP, Dominic Raab


and the Assistant-General secretary of Unison, Karen Jennings are both


here. Ed Milliband said strikes are always a sign of failure on both


sides, do you accept your role in that failure? What I would say to


Ed Milliband is that he needs to know the detail of what's happening


in those discussions. Don't you think he does? No, I don't think he


does know the detail. I don't think very many people do know what is


going on in relation to the negotiations. The opposition leader,


doesn't know the detail of what is going on in the negotiations?


may give you an example of what is happening. In local Government, the


employers have said that they don't have the information from the


Treasury to be able to negotiate. So they have gone away to try to


get the information, there are no talks now until after the


industrial action has taken place. Do you think Ed Milliband would be


more supportive, that is what you are saying, he would be more


supportive if he knew the detail? think Ed Milliband was quite


supportive today when he said today, for example, that the tax that is


going to be on public sector workers, 3.5%, 50% contribution


rate, on public sector workers only, and not a penny of that will go


towards their pensions. Dominic Raab, is it reasonable to put


public sector workers in this position at the moment? Of feeling


that they are so uncared for and undermined that they have to go on


strike. People that have never considered going on strike in their


lives? You take moral acrobatics to come to that conclusion. These


strikes will be very damaging for your economy, whatever the estimate.


At a time when we are vulnerable economic clee. The reality for


public sector workers, in the end they will have better pensions than


the private sector workers, subsidising them to an enormous


deagreement your average carpenter and hairdresser, will not be able


to access them, they will be suss dicing them. They will face mass --


subsidising them, and they will face massive disruption because of


the strikes. It is unfair and irresponsible? It is not


irresponsible, we have had a ballot of the members, the vast majority


of those that have responded are women. Who are deeply concerned,


one about public services, two about what's happening to jobs, and


three, that the pension that they have contributed to, is being cut,


and also that they are going to have to work much longer. This is


deeply, deeply unfair. There are trade unions that historically, for


the first time, are going to take industrial action. Health service


trade unions alongside Unison, this is democracy in action. And you


would suggest that democracy in action is a very good thing, in


defence of liberty, you talked about that. You would presumably


endorse the right to strike and the right to make that decision?


example the European convention talk about the right to strike t


needs to be balanced with other freedoms and other people's


freedoms to go about their daily business and work. If you take the


ballot for Unison, Karen's union, just one in five union members


positively back the strike. If they can't convince their own membership


to support the strikes t tells you volumes about the case. That is why


the public, overwhelmingly oppose the strikes. I would urge Karen and


leaders to think again. You say the public overwhelmingly opposes the


strikes. Have you taken a ballot? All the polling from June to this


weekend show overwhelming opposition to the strikes. It is


obvious why, the vast majority of private sector tax-payers can't


afford this. Don't you think it is disgusting that this Government has


shown no leadership over private sector people. Who very often do


have poor pensions, but don't forget the public sector pensions,


if you look at a local Government worker, the average pension it �pun


3,000. If you look at a health service worker. They have been


protected. It is �6,000. They are protected. They will have to pay


for more the pension. It is a career-average, but you accept they


make a bigger contribution? There is protection in place for those up


to �18,000. Look at Europe and the US, we have a massive debt crisis,


sure, we are making tough decisions, of course, that comes with the


territory. It is incredibly self- indulge gent to believe the public


sector can be immune from change in this way. Do you accept public


sector workers should pay something for more their pension? No, I don't


accept that public sector workers should pay something for more their


pension. Your negotiating position is, not a penny more? What we are


negotiating at the moment, is looking at a new scheme, which


might be different from a final salary scheme, and we are up for


talking about that. I don't see why we should increase the amount


people are paying towards their pension, when the money that is


being increased is going towards paying back the deficit. It has


nothing to do with their pensions. Surely, if you want as you do,


health service and education reform, you should be undermining the


people that day in day out deliver vital services for you, you


shouldn't joined mine them? I don't think we are, that is why the


Treasury and cabinet office made a very generous offer to try to bring


it to a conclusion. Those approaching ten years of retirement


will not be affected by the changes. The Government has gone probably


too far. Very briefly, can I just confirm, too far, too far? In what


respect. Do you think that critical operations on Wednesday will go


ahead in hospitals? Critical operations, of course they will.


Guess where you will find the world's most highly paid football


player, not at Manchester City or elsewhere, but dags stran. A


Muslim-dominated Republic, next door to Chechnya. Now a billionare


is hope to go change things, by pouring vast sums of money into the


football team and projects. Can changing things on the pitch change


politics. People say it is bread and circuses, without clean rule of


law the insurgency will continue. Young people from Dagestan have a


new swagger in their step. Something is restoring pride and


hope to people in this downtrodden part of Russia. It's football.


The local team, Makhachkala is being thrust into the spotlight.


Global stars line the city streets, inspiring people to dream. But,


Dagestan is now the epicentre of an Islamist insurgency. Militants


fight for an Islamic state across the north caucuses, Russian


soldiers have spent two decades battling this rebellion, in the


Muslim south. Bombings and assassinations happen virtually


every day. Terror attacks eminating from here, have reached the heart


of Moscow. Most Russians are too terrified to come to Dagestan. But


tonight, the premier Moscow club, CSKA, is in town, to play the


resurgent, star-studded home side. Cameroon striker, Samuel Eto'o, has


just signed for a reported cool $30 million a year. Making him the


world's best paid player. Brazilian legend, Roberto Carlos, is player-


manager. The fans cheer on the team and four minutes in Eto'o scores,


the crowd goes wild. It just the kind of morale booster they needed


in this violent and tired Republic. Those who have poured millions into


the team hope it is money well spent.


But who is paying for this? It is a local boy turned billionare, called


Suleiman Kerimov, he's the one bank rolling this football fantasy. The


reclusive yacht-owning oligarch, is rumoured to have had his epiphany,


when his Ferrari crashed in 2006. After cheating death, he decided to


invest in his embattled homeland. What do people think of Kerimov's


global shopping spree, in a place where most people are lucky to earn


�250 a month. TRANSLATION: It is his money, he can do he likes with


it. Everything he -- He can do what he likes with it. Everything he


does is to support our Dagestan. is not just about football,


everything is connected. The ecstacy wears off, the Moscow


side equalise, and then score another four goals. As the mood


sours, I discover that Kerimov's project is not without its critics.


I spot a banner, better rating fans for ignoring -- berating fans for


ignoring Islamic principles. The men next to it subscribe to a


growing militant Islam here, called ZAF feeism. TRANSLATION: We don't


want football to be a new religion, we, the Islamic youth, don't like


it. TRANSLATION: Our Republic is the poorest part of the Russian


federation, but �20 million is spent on one player, it is like


gladiators in ancient Rome, and the people are starving. Our people are


hungry, they are being killed, and we are in the middle of a civil war,


and yet they sit and watch this spectacle. You don't have to stray


far from the football to see what this man means. Just around the


corner of the stadium, I'm shown the site of the latest bomb blast.


First a device exploded outside a shop selling alcohol. Then there


was a second, more powerful blast, timed to coincide with the arrival


of the emergency services. One policeman and a child were killed,


60 were wounded. My guide is a counter terrorist officer I met at


the football match. Doesn't want to show his face. Government officials


and police are the main targets of the militants. TRANSLATION: Many of


our colleagues die on duty. Many mothers have lost sons and wives


have lost husbands, children their fathers. There are loss, but what


can we do we have to fight this battle to the end.


This building is the centre of the fight against extremism, and it is


extraordinary that we are being given a chance to go inside and


talk to the people who work here about their jobs.


I ask my guide whether things are improving? TRANSLATION:


Unfortunately, it is not getting any better. They have become more


brutal, and more cynical, they are just people who will do anything.


They have been sucked into the swamp, and they can't get out.


Another officer shows me a recent example of this brutality.


The story of this man is particularly shocking, his father


was a local police chief, who was shot dead. Then, when his wife, his


sister, and his daughter went to put flowers on the freshly-dug


grave, they were blown up. The last remaining member of the family was


this man, he was killed too, not long afterwards.


Billionare owner Suleiman Kerimov believes creating jobs and


improving lives are the best ways to fight the insurgency. This is


the promo for one of his projects. A brand new city.


His righthandman, is showing me this stadium, part of his


employment strategy. Kerimov is also finalising plans for yet


another even bigger stadium, for potential use in Russia's 2018


World Cup. TRANSLATION: Football was just a


starting point. What is going on here is very bad. If there were


jobs, that would already be something. If I had no way out, no


job, no food and a family to feed, I might take up arms too.


I tell him it seems to me Kerimov is doing more than the Government


here? TRANSLATION: Indeed he is, everybody knows he's doing more


than the Government. Take this stadium, originally a Government


project, and a huge amount of money was provided, nothing was done.


Now he has bought it and it has been built properly, but the public


funds were just stolen, that is what happens here.


Sickened by entrenched corruption, more and more people are drawn to


new ideas, and rejecting the mainstream, football is no option.


The Salafi league has 32 seems playing every Sunday morning, the


co-ordinator, is dismissive of Kerimov's money-driven model.


TRANSLATION: I don't like their slogan that we are the territory of


Ang e, we live in the territory of Dagestan, which I would like to be


the territory of Islam. Salafi's poll a strict -- Salafis


follow a strict brand of Islam, they believe Sufi Muslims are


tainted because of their support for the authorities and support for


a secular state. A Salafi dream is a new social order in Dagestan, one


built on Sharia Law, they tell me. TRANSLATION: If we see a kissing a


woman or drinking, we discreetly remind him of where he lives.


him how people react? Generally people react well. Believe me, if


we had our way, you wouldn't be able to buy alcohol or tobacco here.


You would never find women who walk around uncovered like you.


What does he think about the people who take up arms for the cause?


TRANSLATION: These people have chosen a certain path, and will


answer for what they do. If they are right, then there awaits them


enormous prizes, hundreds of times greater than mine. But I swear to


Allah I do not condemn them. This kind of talk alarms the


authorities, and sometimes leads to heavyhanded responses from the


Security Services. The consequences can be deadly.


I have come to investigate an incident in theville age, three


hours from Makhachkala. -- the village, three years miles from


Makhachkala. There is not much here and the outlook is believe belief.


This mosque has attracted new believers, Salafis, in May, during


Friday prayers, the building was surrounded by armed security forces.


Plain clothed officers in muddy boots burst in and arrested 150


worshipers, including 15 school boys.


Said Gereikhanov, the young Salafi Imam, shows me evidence of abuse,


the men and boys were all taken to a police station where they were


beaten, some had their hair torn out and beards shaved off. He says


the village teachers appeared to be permissive. TRANSLATION: The police


summoned the headmaster and the deputy to the station, they saw the


badly-bruised young men and heard shouts and schemes, they knew what


was going on. The teachers called them dogs for going to the mosques.


The headmaster, Sadikullah Akhmedov, was a sworn enemy of the Salafis,


at this heated public meeting immediately after the mosque


invasion. He claimed the young radicals would soon impose Sharia


Law on the village and force all the women to wear vails. He


denounced a rein of ter -- regin of terror where pro-secular teachers


like him would be murdered. Little did he expect he would become the


next target. I head for the school and find a


biology teacher who agrees to tell me what happened to his boss on the


night of Julyth. -- July 9th.


They shot him in his home at point blank rairpbg in the face. -- range


in the face. His wife and son were watching TV, nobody knows what they


did it. The situation here is still very tense, back at the mosque,


they tell me they are sure the radical underground killed the


school head. TRANSLATION: We don't think murdering people is the way


to solve problems, that is not the way to bring about justice. It just


makes things worse. This war has been going on for 20 years.


But with increasing numbers of young men from villages like these,


taking up arms, it seems the very lawlessness of the authorities is


feeding this insurgency. It will take a lot more than football stars,


and Kerimov's billions, to cure the ills in this deeply divided society.


Tomorrow morning's front pages, beginning with the Financial Times,


you have the story that the US blocks key climate fund. But below


it Tory pledges under pressure, as net migration hits record high. The


Mail has another story, the Conservative minister, Michael Gove,


he takes on education establishment in a passionate rallying cry for a


in a passionate rallying cry for a return to traditional teaching


Tonight we leave you with the worst football team in the world. Well,


they were the worst, but that may now have changed, after American


Samoa finally scored and won a match against Tonga. It followed 0


straight defeats in two decades, go Pretty wild night out there, heavy


rain and strong winds sweeping across the country. That should


have gone by morning. Things settling down. Sunshine for many of


us. It will be chilly and the showers across the north will be


wintry. Up over the high ground. Further south relatively few


showers, one or two getting down through the Midlands. Temperatures


struggling a bit until recently. In the breeze it will be cool. A


lot of dry weather across southern England. A few showers getting into


the south west, by the end of the afternoon. They will have moved in


a band through Wales, with sunshine returning afterwards. 10 degrees,


fresh, with the wind coming off the sea. Positively chilly further


north. For Northern Ireland sixes and sevens will be typical. Still


showers to come. Up towards the north coast, a wintry scene across


the Highlands of Scotland. Snowfall down to low level, gusty winds,


temperatures round about 5-7. Across northern parts of the UK, it


stays pretty disturbed into the weekend, rain clouds gathering


again. The wind picking up, a stormy spell across the far north


into Saturday night. Further south it will be dryer, the winds won't


be so strong. Generally not a bad weekend coming up in store. Dry,


bright weather, temperatures still not too bad. The rest of the


Newsnight examines the jobs market crunch, as net migration peaks and youth unemployment surges. And why is the world's best-paid footballer in possibly the most dangerous place in Europe?

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