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25/05/2012

Can Scotland gain independence? Will the English mind? Jeremy Hunt's former wing man faces Leveson. Is Spain trying to lose Eurovision? With Emily Maitlis.


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Next week it will be the Culture Secretary having to explain himself

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to Lord hef will lef, today we learned that lawyers -- Lord

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Leveson, today we learned that lawyers warned him off the BSkyB

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bid, and then he was in charge of the decision himself. Will he be

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hearing the same thing he told his special adviser, Adam Smith. Then

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you had meeting with Mr Hunt? That's right. Can you remember

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precisely what he said. To the best of my recollection is everyone here

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thinks you needing to, is what he said. The Deputy Chairman of the

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Conservative Party is here to tell us what we should make of the

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revelations. The SNP want the people of Scotland to say Yes Yes

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Yes to an independent Scotland. the parliament can run education,

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why not the economy. If it can be trusted to protect our own people,

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why can't we protect the country. Also tonight, as Catalonia and

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Spain's fourth largest bank teeter on the brink. Is this the

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Eurovision they and everybody else want to lose.

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Hello, good evening. The Leveson Inquiry has rapidly become

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Westminster's version of Wimbledon. Endless hours of early summer

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diversion with a revolving cast of exotic character. For the Culture

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Secretary rbgts Jeremy Hunt, there is little amusing --, Jeremy Hunt,

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there is little amusing for the drip, drip ammunition for his

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critics. Today the inquiry heard he was warned by his lawyers not to

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mention the bid to Vince Cable. After weeks of the world discussing

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his likely demise, Jeremy Hunt, the Culture Secretary, was given double

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protection. From below, the man he sacked came out in his support. And

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from above, the man who refuses to sack Mr Hunt did the same. You are

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all over the front of the newspapers today. Way before Levitt

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got to work, David Cameron was up with the lark, and on ITV's setee,

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he was by no mean chillaxed. He did act impartially, because he took

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independent at every stage, and he followed independent advise. I

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didn't want anybody to have the job, I wanted Vince Cable, the existing

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secretary to go on and do the job. We heard of close contact between

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Frederic Michel, and the former adviser Adam Smith. The 191 phone

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calls and 799 texts exchanged in 11 months. Mr Smith, who said he felt

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under bombardment, said he couldn't remember telling Frederic Michel

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that it would soon be game over for the bid's opponents. But he could

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imagine having a conversation along those lines. On other conversations

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he was more vague. What about the reference to judicial review, Mr

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Smith. Do you think there was a discussion about that? There may

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well have been a discussion about it. There may well have been, or

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there was a discussion? I can't remember. How much to News Corp's

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likes was Mr Hunt's special adviser. It is an e-mail from last year.

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This is the one that I do regret the most. By this stage I was

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probably coming towards the end of my tether, as it were, and I sent

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him a text to get him off my back. But I certainly don't think anybody

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in the department would have said that's what I had been doing, and I

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certainly ofn't doing anything on their behalf. But in hindsight I

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shouldn't have sent it. It was an attempt to molify him. Adam Smith

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was told to resign after the department's permanent secretary,

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Jonathan Stephen, saw the e-mails and felt they -- Jonathan Stevens,

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saw the e-mails and felt they were inappropriate. I struggled to

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understand why, as what seems to be, he came under intense pressure, he

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didn't talk to somebody about that. It didn't need to be me, it could

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have been someone else. The inquiry heard when Vince Cable was in

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charge, on the very day Mr Hunt was warned off lobbying him, by

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departmental lawyers, he pressed the Prime Minister to intercede. So

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what did the permanent secretary think of Mr Hunt's time in charge?

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Mr Stevens, who said they worked in a small office, stressed Jeremy

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Hunt had always been scruplous about his quasi-judicial role,

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handling the bid. But then Mr Stevens had been unaware what Adam

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Smith had been up to until hours before the sacking. Mr Smith was

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asked about events in the small office in the time before the event.

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Was the mood relaxed? No, it was very pressured and one of the most

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stressful I had experienced. said you agreed you had just been

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doing your job and left the office at 8.30pm that evening. That have

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the reflection of the conversation between myself and the other

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special advisers. The next morning he arrived to find Mr Hunt had been

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having meeting, then Mr Hunt met him. Can you remember precisely

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what he said? To the best of my recollection, is that everyone

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there thinks I needing to. And go he did, his boss, Mr Hunt, remains.

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It is his turn before Mr Leveson on Thursday, on Monday it is Tony

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Blair. The Deputy Chairman of the party is

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with me now. Nice of you to come in. The crucial allegation this evening

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is Jeremy Hunt misled parliament when he said he had made absolutely

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no interventions. We now understand that he tried to make those

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interventions. He didn't intervene, the memo he sent the Prime Minister

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is absolutely clear, I have it here. He said it would be totally wrong

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for the Government to get involved in a competition issue, which has

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to be decided at arm's length. However, he did think we should

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meet to discuss the policies issues thrown up afterwards. He tried to

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set up a meeting with the Business Secretary after he had been told

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not to? He tried to set it up, after the decision was going to be

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taken. The decision needed to go to the Competition Commission by the

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31st December, the following month what he did, it was his policy area,

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he was responsible for media ownership. It was his policy area

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it was natural he wanted to reflect on the issues involved, discuss

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them in Government, once the regulator, the Competition

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Commissioner had decided whether or not to refer the bid. He was given

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advice, 19th of November, it would be unwise to do so, it would be

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unwise to tell Vince Cable what he thought. And then he set up a

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meeting, or tried to set up a meeting with that memo through the

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Prime Minister as well. Let's be clear he didn't send that memo to

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Vince Cable. He sent it to the Prime Minister? He did not send it

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to Vince Cable, he sent nothing to Vince Cable. Why not if there was a

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recommendation from the lawyers that it would be unwise to do so?

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The memo says, in November, Ofcom will issue their report by 31st of

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December, it would be wrong of Government to get involved. But he

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does think that they should discuss any policies thrown up as a result,

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in other words, afterwards. lawyers in your department to say

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not to do something, would you issue a memo to do the thing you

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were warned not to do. He didn't do that. Wouldn't it have stopped you

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from writing a memo asking to do what you had been told not to do?

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He makes it absolutely clear, that there will be issues to be

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discussed, big policies about media ownership, once the regulatory body,

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the Competition Commission has been told not to refer. He has been told

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not to talk to the Business Secretary, and then he attempted to

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do so? He does not send a memo to the Business Secretary. He asked

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for a meeting with him? He suggests to the Prime Minister that once all

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this is over, once the regulator has decided, yes then there will be

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a need to look at the general question of media ownership. Given

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he sent that memo, was it wise for the Prime Minister to ask Jeremy

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Hunt to be responsible for the bid. Was there no-one else available,

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knowing what he knew then about Jeremy Hunt and's position?

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Prime Minister took the cabinet secretary's advice on, that the

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cabinet secretary took legal advice. The cabinet secretary looked at

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everything Jeremy Hunt had said previously in public. He knew what

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Jeremy Hunt thought before he gave him the position? He was quite

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satisfied that the statements Jeremy Hunt had issued earlier,

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long before, and don't forget he was shadow Culture Secretary. The

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cabinet secretary was quite satisfied, having taken legal

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advice that those statements would not amount to helping him prejudge

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any of these issues, and they didn't. It must strike you as quite

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odd that after he is given responsibility that he asks Ofcom

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if he can share the report but not with interested parties. Why would

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you want to ask that, though? you are dealing with the

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competition issue like this h you are negotiating on things like the

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undertakings that you are going to require. You are obviously

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negotiating with the person that has put in the bid. There a lot of

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contact. Negotiating in favour of one side and not the other?

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Absolutely not. The permanent secretary, by the way, completely

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coroborated Jeremy Hunt's evidence to parliament, that he did not

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favour the bid. The permanent secretary goes out of his way,

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today, to say that at every turn he took the advice of the regulator,

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and limited his own discretion. Let's look at some of Adam Smith's

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words. He said he had to resign because he had created a perception

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of impropriety. You heard Adam Smith in that clip, he was told the

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night of Rupert Murdoch's evidence he would be -- James Murdoch's

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advice that he will be all right, and then told the next morning that

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most people there thought he should go, because of the headlines,

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presumably. Is that the right way to treat an adviser, a junior

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employee in his office? It was the scale of the texts and the

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inappropriateness of some of them. By Adam Smith afterwards realised.

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Which was clear the night before? It became much clearer the

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following day. The sheer scale, the number of texts. After the

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headlines told him that? After everybody had gone through the e-

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mails and texts. Jeremy Hunt told him he was doing his job. You know,

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as I do, they are very intertwined those roles, Adam Smith wouldn't

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have gone off on a leg without Jeremy Hunt knowing what he was

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doing? He wouldn't have resigned if he hadn't accepted he had gone too

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far and acted inapropriately. One point here, he was clearly under

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pressure, not just from those in favour of the bid, there was the

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BBC. Doesn't it feel a little bit shameful for someone to take the

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rap for something that comes from higher up? He was the one doing the

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texting. There were others opposing the bid, Channel 4, the BBC,

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lobbying the department all the time. This was a young man, under

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enormous pressure. Thank you for coming in.

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As Scotland was bathed in sunlight and blue skies, was the best advert

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the nationalists could have hoped to, as they linked arms, fixed

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grins and launched the campaign for independence. But the Scottish

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Government doesn't want the referendum until 2014, that is a

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long time to hold a smile. The yes yes campaign's preference is to

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keep the Queen and the pound. We look at how it could work, the

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report contains flash photography. It is often called the most

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successful union the world has ever seen. It is certainly made for a

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striking flag. The two crosses have more or less

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lane comfortably over each other for 400 years, in just over two

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years it could look so different. The question for us, as we begin

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this journey, is how do we mobilise that sentiment. From the beginning

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the Scots were agrieved that the Red Cross overlaid the blue one,

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today the descendants of that agrieved party, launched that

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campaign -- launched the campaign for independence. We want a

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Scotland that is greener, in the words of the declaration, greener,

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fairer and more prosperous. If the parliament can run education, why

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can't it run the economy. If it can be trusted to run the health

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service, why can't had represent Scotland internationally. If it can

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be trusted to protect our own people, then why can't we protect

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the country, and do so without the obscenity of nuclear weapons.

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Ahead of this launch, the Save The Union campaign, sought to spike

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their opponents' guns. Not yet up and running, they released an

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opinion poll, it showed only 33% of Scots would opt for independence,

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57% would reject it. They also dug into the views of the SNP voters,

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polling of them suggested 58% of those who voted for the SNP last

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May, would back independence. 28% of SNP voters opposed it.

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The SNP say they are not surprised by this morning's polling. That is

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why, they say, they need a two-and- a-half lead-in time to the

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referendum. To give people time to get used to the arguments on how

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defence and social security would work post independence. There has

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been possibly a slight change in language. The SNP appeared to know

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they had independence diehards in the bag, and they need to reach out

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to middle Scotland. That is why this morning they made a slightly

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different argument. That is our preference would be to remain

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within sterling, we think that would be good for Scotland in terms

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of the stability of that. We also think there would be advantages,

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big advantages to the rest of the UK as well. Because it would mean

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the UK's balance of payments would still get the advantage of

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Scotland's massive oil export, our whiskey exports, and other exports,

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that would help to support a sterling zone. Keeping the pound,

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some people call it independence light, and say it raises more

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questions than it answers. They say the Scots would end up with no MPs

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in Westminster, and a monetary policy set in Threadneedle Street

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at the Bank of England. They believe Scotland would have ended

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up being more dependant on London than it was before. Some think it

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is a foolhardy exercise. When Czechoslovakia split up in 1992

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into two separate countries, they thought they would have a monetary

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union. They both agreed to this, it didn't work. It lasted all of five

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week. That is because they spent four of them figuring out how to

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end it. The problem wasn't really the international monetary system,

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or the speculator or the banks, it was ordinary people, wondering what

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was going to happen to their money, their contracts, ordinary

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businesses, and they moved their money from one side of the country

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to the other. To ease this transition, one way the SNP think

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they can bring in revenue, is a cut to corporation tax. The Scottish

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Government has said that it would like to emulate Irish policy on

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corporation tax. At some point reduce the British rate of

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corporation tax, currently in place in Scotland, to around 12.5%, that

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is the Irish rate. That would mean that Scotland would have to find an

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extra �1.8 billion in revenue, to fill the gap that was caused by

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that decrease. The SNP have their own facts and

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figures, when they tell Scots that independence could make them �500

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richer, per person, per year. One opinion poll sut65% of respondents

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supporting an independent Scotland. They show the latest figures could

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bear that out. Their official statisticians show last year that

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Scotland contributed to more in UK taxes than it got in return, to the

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tune of �500 a person. The Save The Union campaign will be kicking off

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in June, and headed by Alistair Darling. Why are they waiting until

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the end of June. Alex Salmond is due shortly before the Leveson

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Inquiry. Labour believes the SNP was damaged in local elections

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recently, because of the recent suggestion of a link between Alex

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Salmond and Rupert Murdoch. Labour believe it tarnished Salmond's

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reputation as a man of the people, and it damaged them in the local

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elections and might damage their campaign for independent. Back at

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the flag's inception, Scotland and England were still separate. Today

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begins a two-year debate to decide if they will be again. The former

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Chancellor of the Exchequer, Alistair Darling, has been helping

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toe organise the No Campaign. When I spoke to him earlier, I asked how

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prominent a role he would play. will play a major role, along with

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other political parties, and crucially, along with people who

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are not allied with political parties. This is not an argument

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won by two sets of politicians arguing with each other over the

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next two-and-a-half years. We have to engage Scottish opinion, and

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what will be the biggest dwegs we make as a country, for -- decision

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we make as a country for perhaps 300 years. These are important

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decisions to be discussed. I believe very strongly that Scotland

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would be better off remaining part of the UK. These are arguments that

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have to be pursued and debated. Isn't the blunt truth that the SNP

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currently have the only charismatic voice in Scotland at the moment?

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you look at the poll published today, opinion on independence

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hasn't shifted really in the five years since the nationalists took

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power here. Their momentum hasaled, there is no doubt about it. They

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did not -- has stalled, there is no doubt about it. They didn't do as

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well as they thought in Scottish elections, have a look at the polls,

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they are not shifting opinions. The reason is, prom people in Scotland

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are pretty canny. Would a single currency work for two nations?

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nationalists have changed their position, they were in favour of

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the euro until the beginning of the year. Then they said they would use

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the pound like Panama uses the dollar, when it was pointed out

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that interest rates would be fixed by a foreign currency, they say

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they want a currency union. The problem with currency unions, as we

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can see in Europe, they lead to increasing economic and then

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political union. So what is the point of leaving a union, only to

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arrive back in a situation where you are forced back into it. And

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you have all the problems that you see with the euro just now. Where

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you have to have your budgets agreed by some sort of central body.

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We have to send our budgets down to London. This is nonsense and will

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be exposed as such, and the majority of people in Scotland will

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see it as complete nonsense. Could you see the -- If you look at the

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MPC at the moment, it doesn't have representation from different parts

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of the UK, it has people on it, whose expertise is trying to

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forecast what will happen on inflation and setting interest

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rates. It is not a representative body. If you think about it, if

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Scotland decided to leave the UK, why is it that the remaining parts

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of the UK will say here is our Central Bank and here is our policy

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committee thatics ifs interest rates. But we are having -- that

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fixes interest rates, but we are having someone from another country

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on it. We are invite bid the nationalists to take unquantified

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risk with our future, at probably the most uncertain time in modern

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timesment we are in a very difficult situation, we have a

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European situation that seems to be getting worse by the day. Problems

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with banks there, as well as the economy. They are asking for risks

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they can't quantify. Would you in any circumstances countenance a

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second question on the referendum balance, that said, shorthand, deaf

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very max? I don't think you can put another question on the ballot

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paper, unless you specify exactly what it is. The problem with what

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is known as devo max and plus, is it is not defined. There are 57

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varieties of these things. I'm inclined to agree with the SNP's

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deputy leader, on this point and this point alone, she said unless

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you have a specific defined opposition you can't quantify it on

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the ballot paper. We understand independence and being part of the

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UK, that is the question to put on the ballot paper, we don't have to

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wait two-and-a-half years for that. We could have that referendum now,

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and the only reason we don't have it now is Alex Salmond doesn't

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think he can win, he wants to sit it out, I don't think that is right

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for Scotland. Stuart Hosie is the SNP's Treasury spokesman in

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Westminster, he's in the Dundee studio. You heard there from

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Alistair Darling that they were being asked to take unqualified

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risks at the most uncertain economic time. Why would you choose

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such a vulnerable moment to convince people this was a good

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idea? Alistair Darling made a whole series of assertions in his package.

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It amounts to no more than the usual scaremongering. We have seen

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them, and the best one was the stuff about the Central Bank. The

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Bank of England's our Central Bank as well. It is completely

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independent. What would happen with independence, of course, is because

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the Central Bank doesn't work or set debt targets or deficit target

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or growth targets, and the Government and the MPC studious low

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avoid commenting on fiscal policy, is the Scottish Finance Minister,

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and a UK Chancellor, would have exactly the same powers, that is

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monetary discipline set by the Central Bank. It sets interest

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rates, and its remit is set by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, you

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heard there from a former Chancellor that Scottish

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politicians would not have a place at that table, wouldn't that worry

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you? UK politicians don't have a place at the table, because it is

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completely independent. The only target which is set is the

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inflation target, that is sensible. In a currency union, if you agree a

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"stability pact", say deficits to run more than 3% over the cycle,

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that is extremely sensible. We are very comfortable with that.

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know the Treasury is involved in major decisions, like quanative

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easing, you have to approve things like that. What was spelled out, is

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you wouldn't have a force in the economic cycle and movement n with

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what would be essentially your own country? That is simply not the

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case. You accept the discipline of the Central Bank, of course you do,

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in relation to monetary policy S what we would have, and it is a

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thing we don't have now, is full control over all of the fiscal

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levers, in order to grow the economy, and not make the same

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austerity policy driven mistakes that the UK Government are making,

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and Alistair Darling made when he was Chancellor, laying out �87

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billion worth of taxes and cuts. You don't have to look very far to

:24:09.:24:13.

Europe to understand it is not a great idea to shoe horn two

:24:13.:24:17.

economies into one monetary policy? That is right, the reason we have

:24:17.:24:24.

problems in Europe is preSicily that. Productivity in Greece and

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the rest are not the same. wouldn't be able to make those

:24:31.:24:33.

decisions independently? Productivity is across Scotland and

:24:33.:24:43.
:24:43.:24:43.

the UK is near idea ka. You don't epbtder a currency union with --

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identical, you don't enter a currency union with those

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differences, it is not the same as southern Greece and northern

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Germany. You heard the poll that showed 30% would vote yes if it was

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asked today. Doesn't it tell us a lot about your confidence in your

:25:00.:25:03.

campaign, that it is not even on the table for another two years?

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it is going to be in 2014, that is the promise we made at the election.

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In terms of today's poll, it was one poll, it was a very strange,

:25:12.:25:16.

skewed question, but we will set that aside. Some polls have showed

:25:16.:25:19.

independence ahead, others not so well ahead. What we need to do is

:25:19.:25:24.

run the campaign, get it bottomed out, published a detailed

:25:25.:25:29.

prospectus and win the argument. someone offered you devo max, a bit

:25:29.:25:34.

more power, the SNP would be happy with that? The SNP stands for

:25:34.:25:37.

independence, and we want independent, and the campaign was

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launched today. More gloomy news from the eurozone

:25:40.:25:46.

today, Spain's fourth-largest lender, Bankia, has requested a 90

:25:46.:25:51.

million euro bail out, on top of 4.5 billion euros appealed for

:25:51.:25:56.

earlier in the month. In Catalonia, regional Government could be unable

:25:56.:26:02.

to pay their bills. Could this be the year where many countries try

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their hardest to lose, because it would cost millions to host next

:26:07.:26:13.

year. The spannic Prime Minister denied remarks she was alleged to

:26:13.:26:23.

make last year, which would be -- the Spanish contestant has denied

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remarks she was alleged to have made last week which would be to

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lose would be better. # If you love someone

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# Follow your heart # I am close to the

:26:44.:26:54.
:26:54.:27:00.

# Border line # Um come on a dance

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Paddy O'Connell has the enviable task for covering Eurovision for

:27:04.:27:08.

the BBC, he joins us now. I guess the joke used to be that nobody

:27:08.:27:11.

voted for Britain, because they didn't really like us, now if you

:27:11.:27:18.

didn't like us, you might vote for us, right? Well, no-one can dislike

:27:18.:27:21.

Spain, and you can probably speak the language. What has happened

:27:21.:27:30.

here is Pastorus has come back from comments that a TV executive said,

:27:30.:27:35.

for heaven's sake don't win because it costs too much. It costs many

:27:35.:27:39.

millions to stage this circus. Everyone wonders about being landed

:27:39.:27:44.

with a bill in a time of austerity. But the Spanish girl says she's in

:27:44.:27:51.

it to win it, and don't report those remarks you earlier did.

:27:51.:27:55.

much did Azerbaijan throw at this one? Look behind me, this was

:27:55.:28:00.

briefly the world's largest flag hole, it is 300ms away. Then

:28:00.:28:04.

Malaysia made a larger one. This is the size of half a football pitch.

:28:04.:28:09.

Look at the light display. This is a new stadium. This is like the

:28:09.:28:12.

Olympic stadium, built for Eurovision. Which I think is

:28:12.:28:16.

getting your priorities right. But here it has come with a lot of

:28:16.:28:19.

human rights questions attached. We have been covering in other parts

:28:19.:28:24.

of the news bulletins. If you take aside the question of the

:28:24.:28:28.

construction costs, they are paying about 45 million euros to say to

:28:28.:28:32.

the world, here we are, we have Eurovision, and we have vast oil

:28:32.:28:39.

wealth, and you haven't. In the midst. Euro crisis, what is your

:28:39.:28:45.

redirection for the way the voting patterns will go tomorrow. We are

:28:45.:28:49.

post-soviet bloc era stuff now, aren't we? Greece is not going to

:28:49.:28:53.

give 12 points to Germany, let's start there. We have Ireland here,

:28:53.:28:58.

they rely on votes from the UK often, and they have got those two

:28:58.:29:02.

chirpping little quiff creature, Jedward, with a mobile water

:29:02.:29:06.

fountain, they are a country in crisis. Spain are here, Greece are

:29:06.:29:09.

here, Italy's here, I think they should all support each other,

:29:09.:29:18.

really, in it this time, show -- in this time, show a currency country

:29:18.:29:24.

kuen. -- currency union. I don't know who will win, Sweden are the

:29:24.:29:29.

favourites. Have a great night, thank you very much.

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Next week, ahead of the Jubilee, we look at modern Britain, through the

:29:33.:29:40.

writers of previous great regins, we have Shakespeare on Monday,

:29:40.:29:45.

Shakespeare and leadership. They all see themselves at the party

:29:45.:29:50.

conference, standing up and rousing the troops. As with Henry V, it is

:29:50.:29:55.

quite cynical, and it doesn't solve the problem of how to govern.

:29:55.:29:58.

that to come on Monday, that is all from Newsnight tonight, from all of

:29:58.:30:08.
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from Newsnight tonight, from all of us here, a very good night.

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Good evening. The mercury soared to 29 degrees in some places this

:30:36.:30:41.

afternoon. Not as humid to start with tomorrow, an easterly wind

:30:41.:30:45.

bringing in the humid conditions. Temperatures always around the mid-

:30:45.:30:49.

teens along the coast, thanks to the breeze off the North Sea. We

:30:49.:30:55.

are getting into the mid-20s in the west. The sun will be every bit as

:30:55.:30:59.

strong. In the channel island, Cornwall, and the ielgs of silly,

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cloud later, a few rumbles of thunder in the night and with rain.

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Most completely dry. The torch passing through Cardiff to Swansea,

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clear skies overhead. Temperatures of around 25-126. Clear and sunny

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throughout, across Northern Ireland too, as it will be in Scotland.

:31:18.:31:22.

None of the mist and low cloud that bothered us on Friday morning. Blue

:31:22.:31:26.

skies to start with and blue skies to finish as well. The only threat

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to misty low cloud across the Shetlands. Paris sharing the heat

:31:30.:31:34.

as well. Elsewhere in Europe, Amsterdam cooler, and Berlin, a bit

:31:35.:31:39.

more cloud here. Some thunderstorms to come in Rome and Athens during

:31:39.:31:43.

the weekend, and it will temper the temperatures some what.

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