11/06/2012 Newsnight


Spain gets a bailout. Will Greece want a new deal too? Plus Gordon Brown at Leveson, and the death of Glasgow's Red Road housing estate. With Jeremy Paxman.

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They may have saved some of the Spanish banks for the time being,


but the euro is still far from safe. It will take 100 billion euros to


save the Spanish banking system. What's left of it.


How much longer can the European elite keep the whole thing afloat?


Are some nations being asked to accept more austerity than others?


The media magnate under oath. said, well, your company has made,


declared war on my Government. the former Prime Minister under


oath. This conversation never took place.


We will ask who is the one with the memory problem?


Then there is this. No half measure about Glasgow


housing, everything's looking up. They were built as the solution to


Glasgow's housing crisis and some people grew rather fond of them.


# I'm a scraper # I'm a skyscraper way


# I live on the 15th floor. Why, less than half a century later is


this happening to them? First thing today, markets all over


the world seemed to bounce a bit under the impression that the


latest crisis in the eurozone might have been resolved. They snapped


out of it as the day wore on, though. Meanwhile, the news that


Spain is getting all the relief of a bail out, without any of the pain


of austerity measure, hasn't gone down well with countries like


Greece or Ireland, wir which were told you couldn't have one -- which


were told you couldn't have one without the other. The eurozone


mess is alive and well. Let's join our Economics Editor on his tour of


ruined economies, tonight he's in Madrid.


Resist, we are the fourth power of the eurozone, we are not Uganda.


That is what the Finance Minister was texted, as they struggled over


the terms of the bail out. They said they were powerful and if they


don't give in, the whole thing will go down. The result, a 100 billion


bail out, no conditions, and crisis over, a victory, blames Mr Rajoy.


The markets reacted with no euphoria, the euro fell against the


dollar, Spain's cost of borrowing rose. Some think "victory" is not


the right word. There is a misnaming on the part of the


Government. They have not called it a rescue but called it a credit


line. We are not fully aware of what it entails. Clearly there is


going to be some loss of sovereignty, of ability to make our


own decisions. That is what happens when a country sin capable of


bailing out its own banks. Under the seal -- deal, Europe will pump


100 billion euro noose the banks through the bank bail out fund,


some will be nationalised and some merged. The money will count as


national debt for Spain, which is already rising steeply, and set to


hit 90% of GDP this year. It is a clear thing that the euro area is


willing and able to tackle the remaining challenges. In this


context, Europe is standing by Spain and supporting Spain in order


to restructure the banking sector. On the streets of Madrid today, to


some it did not feel like a victory. These workers protesting against


cuts in wages, and pensions. The absence of strict austerity


conditions came only because Spain is already implementing tough and


rapid cuts like these. TRANSLATION: We're civil servants,


who work in the courts. A rescue pack aing was requested, but only


for the banks -- package was requested, but only for the banks.


They keep cutting our pay and increasing our hours.


Banks have done nothing for this country, and now they are being


rescued. I would like to retire with 14 million euros, the problem


for Rajoy is he says the bail out is for Spain, but no-one believes.


That The Spanish opposition party was


doubtful this would be the last bail out Mr Rajoy negotiates.


needs to comply with the fiscal target, that means cutting 2.5%


from here to the end of the year. That is something that hasn't


happened in a structural deficit in any country in the EOCD in the last


20 years. It is very difficult. Even more so when the economy is


depressed. There is no economic activity. If you don't have


revenues you need expenditure, one after another. First, of course,


tough raise VAT, then there is going to be, well -- you have to


raise VAT, and then there will be cuts in unemployment and pensions


if that is not enough. At the centre of the problems, Spain's


local savings banks, the cajas, they lent too much in the boom, and


went on lending to show the appearance of prosperity. The


management hit the scale of the losses in cajas Madrid, before


pleading for a 21 billion rescue deal last month. So anyone with a


stick in the Spanish banking system, this soon will not feel very much


like a victory. Many branches like this one will close, many workers


will be sacked. Many shareholders will be penalised, and a lot of


savers actually bought shares. Plus, I understand, plil on the stable is


the option of penal -- still on the able is the option of penalising


the banks through what is called a bail-in. The economy is shrinking,


one in four adults has no job. The fear remains that global investor


also pull their money out of Spain, if the strategic problem of the


eurozone remains unsolved. Clearly the current eurodesign is


not sustainable. We need euro 2.0 we need a guiding light to say what


it will look like in the next two years. We are in for major reforms.


Banking union is mandatory and urgent we. Need to start making


some -- urgent. We need to make headway in fiscal union and


federation, without that the euro is doomed. This was bail out like


no other. The Finns and the Dutch and the Germans demanded tough


conditions, more Austerty. But the rest of Europe said, -- austerity,


but the rest of Europe said enough austerity. Don't ring the bells too


loud, but it might work. This strange event is the first time


Europe has bailed its debts. It has doubt Spain time and space. We will


find out how much when the Greeks vote on Sunday.


Paul Mason is still in Madrid. Does this mean the crisis has been


avoided? None of you listened to some of the contingency planning


that is going on inside the EU. The Reuters news agency today released


a leak of what it said was some of those plans. I will give you a list


of the things that are being considered. Limits on how much


people can withdraw from ATMs, physical patrols at borders to


prevent cash flowing over them. The temporary suspension of the shen


began agreement. This is the worst -- sheng began agreement. This is


the worst case scenario. If this bail out in Spain and whatever


happens in Greece does not stablise the situation. I get the sense that


something pretty profound has changed within the eurozone, hasn't


it? It It has, this battle between Germany trying to impose austerity


and rules on the game, and then southern Europe, seen in many parts


of the world as victims of the austerity drive. That battle has


gone into a little black box, what are the terms of the Spanish bank


bail out. The battle is fought about who gets punished and gets


money taken away from them. In that battle, one sense is the balance


has shifted, President Holiday, alongside Barroso, alongside back


room players, people like Peter Mandelson from Britain, still very


much central to the whole discussions, they are winning an


argument. The argument is, austerity could kill certain


countries F it drives them out of the euro, the seismic ness of the


event is such that you would have to think of some of the things I


listed -- seismicness of the event is such that you would have to


think of some of the things I was talking about. What sort of


timetable are we talking about? are looking now at next Sunday's


Greek election. The polls there stop. It is illegal to do an


opinion poll in Greece a certain time before the elections. We don't


know how this is played out. It is pretty obvious, from the contacts I


have in Greece, that it has strengthened the hand of the left


in Greece. Who are saying, if you text each other, as Mr Rajoy did


with his economics minister, saying look, we can push a button and


destroy the whole thing, people tend to listen to you. We are all


waiting to find out what poll that matters, and that is the one on


Sunday. If the Greeks vote, and it is entirely possible, 50-50, for


them to vote for a left Government. That Government does not want to


leave the euro, but it will scrap the austerity plan and then it will


be the ball in the court of Mrs Merkel.


Thank you. Corbett is righthandman to the


President of the European Council, Mitt Romney. He's in Brussels. Can


you help us -- Mr Van Rompuy. What is this deal with Spain, is it a


bail out or a rescue? It is a loan, from other eurozone countries to


help Spain gain time to deal with its banking problem. Where did you


find the money? It is from the European financial stablisation


fund, which was set up a couple of years ago. It was a tool that


didn't exist before this crisis. Now the European Union, or the


eurozone, has set up this fund, through which it can lend money to


countries that need money to gain time. It is a loan, it is not a


gift, it is not grant, it has to be paid back in due course. It gives


the countries time to turn the situation around. This money comes


from other members of the eurozone? The other members of the eurozone


back the fund. They are guarantors for it. It is not that tax-payers


in other countries are giving money away, they are guarantors for the


loans, loans which will, of course, in due course, have to be paid back.


It is possible, presumably, that one of the people backing the loan


is Spain herself? Yes, all the eurozone countries contribute to it.


So Spain is lending herself money? Just as Britain does with the IMF.


Like many countries across the world we contribute to the IMF. It


is not unknown, hissor clear, For us to borrow from the I --


historically for us to borrow from the IMF. But Spain is one of the


countries lending money to Spain? Spain is one of the countries


backing the fund, which in this case shrending money back to Spain,


as happens -- is lending money back to Spain, as happens in all such


cases. Can you help us what with what the Spaniards have to do to


justify this loan, do they have to impose austerity measures? Spain


has already undertaken a lot of measures to get rid of its deficit.


Remember Spain's overall debt levels are not nearly as high as


Greece or some other countries. Spain went into this crisis with


lower public debt than Germany, even. So it has a certain margin of


manoeuvre. The problem here, is with the banking sector in Spain,


which, a part of which has gone belly-up. Just as happened a couple


of years ago in Ireland. The state has had to bail out the banking


sector, to help them also gain time to recapitalise. That is what is


happening here. It is a very different case from that of Greece.


So the Spanish Government won't be required to cut Government spending


in order to justify this loan? Governments are normally required


do is cut their deaf sirbgts how they do, that cutting spending --


deficit. How they do that is cutting taxes and raising spending.


They are sovereign Governments, that is up to them. But Spain,


let's not forget, that is already taken measures to bring their


deficit level down. Their accumulated debt level over the


years much lower than other countries, but their deficit in


recent years shot up. And they are gradually bringing that down over


the next two or three years, as planned.


When they have to repay this money, who gets priority? Those are the


details that will now be negotiated as the small print of this deal is


put together. You have no views on who gets priority? I haven't looked


into that aspect myself. whether the EU ought to get


priority over bondholders? That is subject to the negotiations of the


small print of the deal. The key thing is the principle of the deal


has been agreed. Very quickly the new mechanism is working. The money


is there to lend when needed to a country that needs it. To help give


them time to turn the corner. The details still need to be looked at.


When the Greeks or the Irish or anybody, whose Governments have had


to impose austerity measures in order to get money from Europe,


when they look and say Why do they not have to do what we have to do,


will they be entitled to renegotiate their loans? Each loan


is tailored to the particular problem of the country concerned.


As I said earlier, in Spain it is not an overall problem of


accumulated public debt. It is a problem of their banking sector


that needs helping out and bailing out for a certain period of time.


It is quite different from some of the other countries that have


received loans. You can't come back and renegotiate? In all case, you


refer to austerity being imposed by the European Union, supposedly.


Imagine for one moment that these loans were not being given to the


countries concerned. Then they would be facing far worse austerity,


much more difficult to turn the situation around. The loans give


them time to put their house in order, or over a longer period of


time with less difficulty than there would otherwise be.


The same consideration, of course, applies to Spain, doesn't it?


course, yes. To anyone. And not just countries within the your Roy


zone. You never -- eurozone. You never hear much about the countries


outside the eurozone, Romania, Turkey, who have had loans from the


IMF. It is not necessarily to do with being in the euro, or a crisis


of the euro as such. Some countries in the eurozone and outside, have


problems of deficits and debts. They are being helped with loans.


Reuters was reporting earlier today that there have been contingency


plans drawn up over there. For what will happen if Greece does tumble


out of the euro. These apparently include the suspension of the


shengian agreement, limits on the amount of money withdrawn from the


cash machines and similar emergency measures. Have such measures been


drawn up? We are not planning for a Greek exit from the country, that


would make a bad situation worse. The question of whether there are


certain consingcy scenarios being looked -- contingency scenarios


being looked into by different Government, I would imagine there


are. That is different from planning for it to happen or hoping


it will happen. The firm view is an actual exit of Greece from the


eurozone would compound bad situation and make it worse.


More bad memories are on display at the Leveson Inquiry of the


relationship between press and politicians. Everyone there


testifys under oath, and the former Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, had a


very different version of events than the Murdochs. The political


class of this country keep asserting that the public doesn't


really give a toss about the relationship. David Grossman does.


This inquiry has heard from many who say they were victims of the


press. Today it heard from another. Gordon Brown says it was his


determination to frustrate news corporation's commercial ambitions


that turned them against him. To the advantage of the Conservatives,


who he says were only too willing to get cosy. There was a red line


in everything I ever did, there was a line in the sand across which I


could never cross. If there was any question a vested from interest was


trying to promote something that was against the public interest, I


could have nothing to do with that. I think you can serve up dinner,


but you don't need to serve up BSkyB as part of the dinner.


Brown was asked about a story that ran on the front page of the Sun


newspaper, on November 2006. It was to do with the health of his then


four-month-old son. Previously News International has said it received


explicit permission from the Browns to run the story. Today, Mr Brown


flatly contradicted them. I ask you if any mother or father was


presented with a choice as to whether a four-month-old son's


medical condition, your child's medical condition, should be


broadcast on the front page of a tabloid newspaper, and you had a


choice in this matter, I don't think there is any parent in the


land would have made the choice that we are told we made, to give


explicit permission for that to happen.


Let's remember what Rebekah Brooks has previously told the inquiry.


She was the editor of the Sun at the time the story ran. Did you


have the express agreement of the Brown, freely given, to publish


this story about their son? Absolutely. If the Browns had asked


me not to run it, I wouldn't have done. Why did your wife in


particular remain good friends with Mrs Brookes, to the extent of


arranging a 40th birthday party in Chequers for her in June 2008,


attending her birthday party in 2008, and Mrs Brookes we had


anything June 200, if what you say is correct? -- 2009, if what you


say is correct? Sarah is one of the most forgiving people I know, she


finds the good in everyone. versions of events there, two


versions of a phonecall that perhaps happened or didn't happen


in the autumn of 2009. In it, Gordon Brown told Rupert Murdoch


that he was declaring war on the Murdoch empire. Or, perhaps he said


no such thing. Here's what Rupert Murdoch


previously told the inquiry that Mr Brown had said. Your company has


made, declared war on my Government. And we had no alternative but to


make war on your company. How could Mr Brown have declared war on your


company? I don't know, I don't think he was in a very balanced


state of mind. And here, is what Mr Brown told the inquiry today.


conversation never took place. I'm shocked and surprised that it


should be suggested, even when there is no evidence of such a


conversation that it should have happened, but there was no such


conversation. And the contradictions didn't end there. If


you look back at the press cuttings, or indeed, thumb through any one of


a number of biographies and autobiographies of the Blair years,


you would have thought that whilst at the Treasury, Gordon Brown ran a


merciless political briefing operation. Designed, not only to


dispatch Tony Blair, sooner than he wanted to go, but also make sure


no-one else but Gordon Brown stepped into Number Ten in his


place. Today, we learned that was not what happened at all. Were your


aides involved in using the media to attempt to force Mr Blair's


resignation, this was in 2006? would hope not. Were they involved?


I would hope not. I have no evidence of that.


Did you authorise your aides to brief against Mr Blair? No. Do you


think they may have done so without your explicit approval, even with


your knowledge? If they did so, it was without my authorisation.


Next up was the Chancellor, George Osborne. He told the inquiry that


at the time he had no view on the BSkyB News Corp bid and he


dismissed the idea that there was some sort of grand conspiracy,


where the Conservatives gave Rupert Murdoch their support for the bid


in return for the Sun's endorsement. It is complete nonsense. The facts


simply don't bear it out. We had no idea that they wanted to bid for


Sky before the general election. When the general election had


happened, Dr Vince Cable, a Lib Dem, is put in charge. And you have to


be a real fantasist to believe that come these events we knowingly


allowed Vince Cable to be secretly recorded. We knowingly allow the


Telegraph not to publish information. That information


emerges in the middle of the afternoon. We then, all as part of


this cunning plan, put Mr Hunt in charge. Mr Osborne too was asked


about the appointment of Andy Coulson as Downing Street's


Director of Communications. I have seen people suggest that the reason


we hired him was because of his connections with the Murdochs or


Rebekah Brooks, or his knowledge of the internal workings of News


International, that was not a consideration. Over the next three


days we will be hearing from more senior political figure,


culminating in the Prime Minister himself on Thursday.


Let as discuss now with Phil Hall, a former editor of the News of the


World, the Conservative MP, Louise Mensch, and Steve Richards of the


Independent, who also produced a documentary series for the BBC on


Gordon Brown's time as Prime Minister. We did ask countless


former associates of Mr Brown to comment on his testimony, but most


appeared more inclined to run repeatedly into an electric fence.


Now, Louise Mensch, there are so many contradictory versions here,


they can't all these people be telling the truth? No they can't.


They absolutely can't. Who do you believe? In the matter of Gordon


Brown's child, I believe Gordon Brown, and I think it is a complete


red herring whether permission was given or not, because the privacy


of a young child was grossly invaded. In the matter of this call


with Mr Murdoch, I believe Rupert Murdoch, if only because Gordon


Brown's testimony that he never briefed against Tony Blair ever,


and didn't authorise his aides to do it was so lacking in credibility


that it undermined everything else he said. If you looked on social


media today, the reactions of the whole political lobby in


Westminster, left and right, from every single paper, poured scorn on


this. Did you believe Gordon Brown today? In relation to the specific,


I don't know. I have no idea whether he said this to Rupert


Murdoch, I have no idea what happened there. I don't think it


matters very much. Do you have an idea about whether he briefed or


his people briefed against Tony Blair? What I know is he was


obsessed with the media, and he was being utterly disengineous to


declare a sort of indifference to the media. When he said he wasn't


reading papers? He read every paper, someone told me he used to read, as


Prime Minister, the papers at 5.00am, by 5.30am he was incredibly


depressed. But someone did say you are the only person who reads all


the papers, so that is a distorted view of how you are perceived. What


he should have said is I'm obsessed by the media, and totally justified


in being so, because they remain a powerful shaper of opinion. I think


if George Osborne and others...He Didn't say? He undermined the


validity of an argument about the power of a media by affecting an


indifference to it. Hall, did you believe what he had to say? Not --


Phil Hall, did you believe what had he to say? Not a word. There was an


interesting clip there, Rebekah Brooks said she didn't have any


permission from the Brown, she said if they asked me not to run it, I


wouldn't V I think she went to him, and they are very close, the heart


of the Leveson thing is how close were leading politicians and the


Prime Minister to rooxrooxroox and News International -- Rebekah


Brooks, and and News International. I would imagine they went and said


they are going to run it and the Browns were afraid.


If they had gone to the press commission it wouldn't have money,


Tony Blair used it on several occasions. Would you have run it?


No, the Press Complaints Commission, I use it now all the time, if you


overstep the mark, newspapers won't run the story. I don't see how that


has anything to do with it. The privacy of the child was invaded, I


don't know that permission could rightly have been given to


undermine the privacy of that child's health which will follow


him for the rest of his life. journalist has the right to ask a


parent if they can run the story. four-month-old baby. He was


appallingly treated? The parent has a right to say no and stop the


story. I can tell you, 30 years of this, I know many parents who bring


these issues to the public, and talk about them to highlight the


issues around treatment of children, the media ka and if sillties


available to them -- medical facilities available to them.


was right to raise the bizarre tax on Afghanistan. The Sun could have


gone for them on a few issues, and weirdly, Rebekah Brooks said that


was the reason they decided to switch sides. He was obsessed about


dealing with Afghanistan, partly actually, to reassure the Murdoch


newspaper that is he could deal with this in the same way that Tony


Blair did. He was right to say that some of the focus on him in


relation to, that and his personal integrity on that was utterly


unfair. It was pointed out by Robert Jay, that he had an absolute


disgust with Rebekah Brooks, he went to a 40th birthday party and a


wedding and his wife joined a bizarre pyjama party. That is a


valid point about, I put "they", because he wasn't the only one.


They were frightened of the power of people like her, Rebekah Brooks.


They did everything they possibly could to keep her, or get her on


side. I'm not sure it was just being frightened. I remember Rupert


Murdoch at the select committee testifying clearly that the Prime


Minister he was closest to was Gordon Brown. The person he felt he


had most in common w and the strongest friendship he formed with


recent Prime Ministers. The great contrast was with the way George


Osborne appeared today. A much more polished performance in the opinion


of many observers, and yet very revealing of a kind of inner moral


vacuousness, surely, on the the question of the Murdoch role in


BSkyB. The only consideration apparently was holding the


coalition together. That is a serious consideration. You have to


take it on value, as George said, the facts, the deal was given to


Vince Cable. I don't think the most far fetched News Corporation


conspiracy therapists, could think that giving it to Vince Cable would


advance Rupert Murdoch's interests. You believe that the Chancellor of


the country has no view on the ownership of BSkyB? He gave his


view today, it was an honest one. He said it was an inconvenience, it


may be code for something we can't repeat on the BBC. As he rightly


said, he knew he would get into trouble with one set of media


groups or the other. If you please News Corporation, you displease the


BBC, the Telegraph, the Mail, the other media companies, the


Independent, who didn't want to see News Corp take over. It was a


political performance and he came out of it well. He treated it as a


conversation and followed the arguments. The arguments were


pretty valid. They have all got a strong argument. I think Cameron


will have an easy day on Thursday, when, basically they say, of course


we want to get a better press, we had our ideas that we wanted to be


put out in the most benevolent climate ever. I don't blame them


trying to do. That that is in relation to the Andy Coulson


appointment, part of his interrogation today. On BSkyB I


never believed the idea they did a deal before the election. It would


have been absurd, he explained very clearly why that was the case.


There remains the murky area of the switch from Vince Cable to Jeremy


Hunt, which I think still remains murky and there are questions to be


answered. He suggested that was Jeremy Heywood's idea? I don't


think he will appear actively culpable. He was delighted, because


we have seen the texts. In the Leveson evidence, the texts and e-


mails are more revealing than the one-to-one interrogation. He didn't


appear to think that Cable had done anything wrong, it was merely a


question of balance within the coalition? He wanted to make sure


that Vince Cable remained part of the cabinet. I think he dealt with


that in quite a sensible way, which is to be open about it. He didn't


want a crisis in the coalition by Vince Cable leaving, that was an


honest and wise answer. What did you make of George Osborne's pitch


today? I thought he was very comfortable in his own skin. I


think because his involvement was fairly narrow, yes he had a


conversation with Coulson at the very beginning. In the end the


decisions were made by the Prime Minister. I don't agree, I don't


think he will get an easy ride. David Cameron? I think he will have


to explain his relationship with Rebekah Brooks and whether he was


right to send mess js with "lol" in them. He is a smooth operate to I'm


sure he will handle it well, but I think he will get a rough ride.


They were friends, that is what he will say. I gave George Osborne


lots of brownie points when asked if he was a friend of Andy Coulson,


he said yes he was and still will be a friend of Andy Coulson but he


hasn't been able to speak to him for a year. People appreciate that


honesty. There was stark contrast and noticable today approaching


various people who were very close to Gordon Brown. Not one of them


wanted to come out and talk. This was a man who was Prime Minister


only a couple of years ago. What has happened? A lot of the people


who went through the trauma of the Premiership, and the build-up to


the Premiership, with the whole Blair-Brown rivalry, are simply


still getting through it all. There is no doubt there have been many


fallings out. The problem he had to today in relation to that, was if


he had started saying, yes, there were briefings, yes, Tony Blair and


I were falling out all over the place. Someone as obsessed about


the headlines as he is, would know that would have been the headlines


for tomorrow. He wanted the headlines to be about News


International. But not surprisingly, therefore, you don't get many


people coming out to depend. That I think that was what was happening


today. A piece of modern social engineering has come to a dramatic


end. The Red Road housing estate in Glasgow was designed as part of the


solution to that city's problems of overcrowding of slums and tenement.


A big, bright, futuristic answer to a generations old problem. In the


1960s, the new tower blocks were the solution to poor housing.


Within decades they were the problem of poor housing, and


yesterday they succumb today high explosive. Catrin Nye reflects on


how you -- utopia became distopia. Red Road, for more than 40ies these


vast imposing structures have loomed -- 40 years these vast


imposing structures have loomed over Glasgow. They were homes, the


solution to a post-war housing crisis they will be mourned as


something greater. You are part of something big and grand. Look at


the size of these. This will all disappear from the face of the


earth. Weather through years of neglect, -- whether through years


of neglect, loathed as they were loved. A big dumping ground, big


grey stones. But to their very end, they have provided the sanctuary


for which they were created. man is 60 years old, he labours on


usual all the buildings, is there to the last in 1969. He builds the


concrete castle for the paths to go from building to building. Sleek,


space age, mammoth, Rid Road says his mother, Red Road, houses for


thousands. There aren't many blocks of flats


that can claim a novel, a film, and countless artworks dedicated to


their memory. But Red Road was always some what unique. The


initial plans for these buildings were fairly modest. By the time


they were completed in 1969, they had become something of an


architectural experiment. The highest tower blocks in kwhruep,


home to almost 5 -- Europe. Home to almost 5,000 people. For each of


the residents, an entirely different new way of living.


# My heart's on fire # Elvira


These were the very first of those residents, and they have stuck with


Red Road until the very end. Jean McGeough moved in on day one,


she picked a ticket at random, and on it was her flat number and floor.


They got offered in St Peter's drive, we walked from there --


Petershill Drive, we walked up from there, we thought they would be


left. And they said look at the crowds. People were out taking


pictures and doing this and that. I went, oh my goodness. They went


are you going to be a tenant? I said I hoped so. I had my neighbour


with me, I said you pick. She said no, pick it yourself. So I picked 9,


so I'm quite happy I got it and I was happy. I'm very happy there.


Very, very, very happy. No half measures about Glasgow


housing, everything's looking up at the development. Red Road came in


the latter part of the boom years for high rise. 4,500 people will


have a pilot's eye view of the great city, and enjoy it in modern


comfort. Immediately post Second World War, Glasgow was faced with


an acute housing shortage problem. Some Soviet delegates studying


rehouse pring in the party. flats created the ultimate in


communal living, a project on the scale you wouldn't see today.


cost, so far, more than �6 million. Look at the housing, they are


amazing, on a formal level, they will never exist in the world again.


The sheer size of the buildings is symbolic of the post-war social


consensus. The idea that what you had in Glasgow, was these


overcrowded inner city tenements, and there was the idea that people


were going to get better housing and move out. They were going to


get this light, this modernist ideal of light and fresh air, and


so forth. But there was still the idea, of course, of the social, the


community. That is what you have here. You have 5,000 people, but it


is a community that is here. It might be created artificially. But


that is essentially what the welfare state was. The recreation


of communities from these delap dated and poverty-striken


communities that we find in the earlyly to mid-20th century.


Road had purpose built pubs and shobs and even an underground bingo


hall. It was a golden period, all the problems with high rise mere


quirks of life. The shift to this way of living was so significant


for Glasgow, it earned a place in the city's folk history.


# I'm a skyscraper # I live on the 19th floor


# But I'm not gonna play You can see it in the culture,


there is the idea that the culture of kids coming home from school, in


the old tenement areas, their mother would throw them out a


sandwich, a piece, they call it, from first, second, third, fourth


floor, there is a song about that saying you can't fling pieces out


of a 20 storey flat. Your mother won't throw a story down 8 floors


to you. One of the pigeons or -- 28 floors. One of the pigeon also get


it before you do. # The odds against reaching it


# Are 99-1 From that initial wave of hope, soon came a far more harsh


reality for Red Road. The high rise towers became symbols of poverty


and alienation. The very problems from which they were designed to


Like many of the first residents, Jeanne moved out of Red Road, and


by the time, as Alan Peter lived there in the late 1980, it had a


very different kind of community. No longer a desirable place, they


were housing those with nowhere to go. As Alan's neighbours robbed for


a living, people weren't taking it in turns to clean the hallways any


more. Black cab dropped us off at the back of the building, when you


get out and you see this big huge monster building. You were like is


this it, and the entrance is around the front.


Two residents beforehand, who stayed there before me, had both


jumped out the kitchen wind development was it a QikSave. When


you look out of the kitchen window you could see where they landed.


the late 1980s there was a lot of unemployment. Hair win was coming


back in. It was rough. -- Heroin was coming back in. It was rough,


there was a lot of unemployment, they were closing down the


shipyards as well. There was no no jobs about. Crime


seemed to be the easiest way to pay for things. If you were a single


guy and you put your name down for flat, you would get shoved here.


That is just the way it is. It was In the early 1970s, there would be


queues for the lifts in the morning for men going to work, in the


shipyards. But coming into the 1980s, there was no problem getting


a lift in the morning to go to work. There was the idea of despair, the


idea that things were coming to an end, there was no future in places


like this. We get this problem word, residualisation, which really


This could have been the end of the story for Red Road. There is


another, final chapter, created as much by international developments,


as those locally. The flats became a home for asylum


seekers, initially those fleeing Kosovo, but residents from as many


troubled countries as you can name. Congalese, Libyan, huge numbers of


Chinese, fleeing politicians. There are more horror stories, family of


Russians jumped to their deaths from the flats in 2010.


For some, though, Red Road has echoed its original purpose, a


place that inspires awe, that creates communities.


This man arrived in 2007 from Pakistan. What did your family


think of their new home? It is just like what you see in the aeroplane.


You just see down. You think that you are just in the aeroplane. We


can see all the city of Glasgow from our flat. If we go to the


kitchen there is a view of mountains, if we come to the living


room there is a view of the whole city. The families were just


together. My younger daughter was born here. She was born in the Red


Road flats. You have a Red Road baby? Yeah.


We have a Red Road baby. And so on, and so on, and so on.


Till the tenants were gone and the buildings only steel and girders


That report was from Catrin Nye. And tomorrow morning's front pages


now. The Financial Times has news that Jose Manuel Barroso of the


European Commission would like to see all European banks, right


across the European Union regulated by the same superviser. The


Independent has pictures of the England football team who managed a


1-1 draw with France this evening. Doctors face a ban on denying


treatment to the elderly. According That's it for tonight. Parting is


The rain will ease a little bit overnight across southern counties,


it won't be as intense as over the last 24 hours. Still there in the


morning. Heavy showers once again developing across Wales, south-west


England and Northern Ireland. Much of northern England will be dry


with brightness. Temperatures could reach 16-17, cooler on the east


coast. A dryer day across the Midland and East Anglia, eventually


drying up across the south-east. Some rain in Kent and Hampshire


until late in the day. In the south west of England, slow-moving, heavy,


thundery showers could develop, as they could across parts of west


Wales, like today. They will be very much hit and miss, but some


places could get a real soak. For Northern Ireland expect heavy,


intense downpours, not everywhere catching one. Some places in the


east will stay dry. Much of Scotland will stay dry, showers few


and far between. But temperatures struggling into double figures. Not


much warmer on Wednesday. The likelihood of heavy showers for


Northern Ireland. Further south for parts of Wales and south-west


England. There could well be some lively downpours across Wednesday.


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