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Is it racist to say BEEP BEEP BEEP, it wasn't when he said it on a | :00:16. | :00:21. | |
football pitch last year. Auk issful trial for Jon George Terry, | :00:21. | :00:27. | |
not guilty, the magistrate praises his performance in the box. But | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
where does it leave the campaign to kick racism out of football. David | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
Cameron and Nick Clegg aren't calling each other names, yet, how | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
long can that last? We are hearing the next review of Government | :00:37. | :00:43. | |
spending, and those all-important cuts, may now be delayed. In Syria, | :00:43. | :00:53. | |
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this, again? Football fans love to argue about things that happen on | :00:57. | :01:04. | |
the pitch, was it a foul, was it a free kick? Was it a goal? Was it a | :01:04. | :01:10. | |
potty mouth racist tie raid against a black man? New technology will | :01:10. | :01:17. | |
settle goal line disputes, but so far hopeless at settling racist | :01:17. | :01:21. | |
disputes, we rely on magistrates for. That | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
We will ask whether there was a colossal or embarrassing waste of | :01:26. | :01:32. | |
time or a fair trial. This report contains very strong language. | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
English we proudly tell ourselves, is the richest language, there are | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
tens of thousand of words in common usage. For all this vocabulary, and | :01:41. | :01:50. | |
all the forms and derivatives, The Terrors ter says ended on just | :01:50. | :01:56. | |
three words, black BEEP Black Swan, of the three that are an obscenity, | :01:56. | :02:03. | |
it was the one that wasn't that causeded the offence. John Terry | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
walked out without a stain on his character, but after a week of | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
evidence, no-one looks good. John Terry had admitted using the | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
expletives, he was caught on camera, during a running argument with the | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
QPR player, Terry maintained it was all a misunderstanding, he was | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
merely repeating the insult he thought Ferdinand had, wrongly, | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
accused him of using, earlier in the game. This is what he told FA | :02:30. | :02:35. | |
investigators. I think he's accusing me of calling him a black | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
BEEP, in the altercation we have had. And then, obviously, you know, | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
and even in my statement it is clear to say, I repeat what he has | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
said. I have been called a lot of things in my football career and | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
outside of football as well, being a racist is not one I'm prepared to | :02:50. | :02:56. | |
take at all. I'm not having anyone, let alone Anton think that at all | :02:56. | :03:03. | |
about me, it is a not my character at all. It was John Terry suggested, | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
a rhetorical device, sarkasic reputation, a sophisticateded | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
nuanced argument in a case where both parties admitted exchanging | :03:13. | :03:19. | |
insults, in game that became heat, in a manner that was anything but | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
sophisticate. What was most striking is whether or not a racist | :03:25. | :03:31. | |
remark was used in a perjorative way, they said the venacular of the | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
racism, and the preface of that particular exchange was normal. | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
This is conventional behaviour on a football pitch. I think that is | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
damaging in terms of the perception for football, damaging in terms of | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
young people want to go get involved with football, and a | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
worrying cultural commentary on the state of the professional game. | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
The level of the penalty area discourse wasn't high, Anton | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
Ferdinand admitteded suggesting John Terry had an affair with a | :03:58. | :04:04. | |
team-mate's girlfriend, Terry denied that, and called Ferdinand a | :04:04. | :04:11. | |
knobhead, and wafting his hands, as if he had bad breath. For both then | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
this was obvious want he, what wasn't acceptable, both men agreed, | :04:14. | :04:20. | |
was the use of the word "black". English football spent 20 years | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
riding itself of overt racism, the criminal law can bear down on | :04:24. | :04:30. | |
racial abuse in any context. One of Britain's first black judges said | :04:30. | :04:35. | |
they are tough cases to try. They make me feel incredibly uneasy when | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
I prosecute and defend. Of course, one is always conscious, that in | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
the dock, you have someone who not only has his reputation at stake, | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
there is that possibility that were he to be convict, or she, they will | :04:48. | :04:55. | |
have that label, or that stigma, racism, or racist, yes, of course, | :04:55. | :05:03. | |
the stakes are incredibly high. As to whether somebody ought to be | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
tried on uttering one wore, when they have a clear reputation of not | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
being a racist, whether they should be in the dock for that leaves me | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
very, very uneasy. The charge for which John Terry has now been | :05:16. | :05:23. | |
acquit, led to his losing the England cap -- acquit, as led to | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
his losing the England captaincy, and resigning. The irony is, it is | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
what a court has decided he hasn't done that has causeded most damage. | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
John may have been very many things, he may have been a thug, DUP | :05:37. | :05:47. | |
policous, ignorant, but the one thing he wasn't, was a racist. | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
There is the wider issue of footballer' conduct, Wayne Rooney | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
was convict of swearing into a camera. But how to improve the | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
game's image. A very obvious starting point would be to empower | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
referees in a rather more transparent way to say to players, | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
if you challenge my decisions, if you swear at me, I'm going to send | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
you off the pitch. Will that make a difference? Unquestionably, the | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
managers, up for winning football matches, if they are losing star | :06:17. | :06:19. | |
players for challenging the authority of the referee, and | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
moreover, swearing at them, they will make sure the players don't do | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
it. That could lead to a bit of a sea change in attitudes that would | :06:26. | :06:35. | |
stamp it out more generally. The captain leader legend is how | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
John Terry is style, it is two years since he pick up the Barclays | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
Premier League, Barclays themselves are currently in the mire, now the | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
game they sponsored is simply placed. As leading exponents would | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
put it, in the BEEP. Let's have post match analysis, | :06:54. | :07:01. | |
here are the former footballer and Football Association chairman, | :07:01. | :07:09. | |
Gareth crooks, -- Crooks, and Jim White. Did this case belong in a | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
court? I think it did, I think it was necessary to send out a signal | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
this kind of language was absolutely inappropriate in a | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
civilised society, and that the force of the law was there to | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
uphold the feelings and rights of those who were being insulted, | :07:24. | :07:31. | |
whoever you were, whether you were the eing Rand captain or not. | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
England captain or not. This was a good case to hear in court? | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
ended up a predictable fiasco, one of the reasons the Crown | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
Prosecution Service brought the case was that the Football | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
Association wasn't acting. I think it could have been dealt with a lot | :07:45. | :07:47. | |
more quickly, on Monday morning, the day after the match, if the | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
Football Association look at it properly, there would have been a | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
different standard of proof on the balance of probabilities, John | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
Terry has got off, because in law there is a slight doubt. He has the | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
benefit of a very slight doubt. In society everyone who has seen that | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
tape will have a view as to whether they think this implausible excuse | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
might just be the case or not. the FA could have act quicker, tell | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
me why you think it was a fiasco? Because we have had months and | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
months of this, in the end we can't work it out because you can't | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
follow on the lip-reading evidence. You have a sense, actualry, out | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
there, that people feel that somebody has use at that language, | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
and it's turned out not to be something that you prosecute. There | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
is good news here as well. Everyone agrees it is absolutely | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
unacceptable, the issue is, can you prove it. You could have proved it | :08:34. | :08:40. | |
on a football case on the balance of prob acts, it was never to go | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
proved -- probabilities, it was never going to be proved in a kuert | :08:44. | :08:50. | |
of law. From the -- A tourt of law. From the soundbiteing you are | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
hearing from players today what are you hearing? I'm hearing they are | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
confuse, not awfully surprise. I think they felt that John Terry's | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
legal team had had put together a very sophisticated case. They won | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
the case. I don't agree here that when somebody is charged with a | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
criminal offence, then that charge has to be test. That's what's | :09:11. | :09:18. | |
happened. The issue of whether they win or lose is irrelevant. An | :09:18. | :09:23. | |
alleged racist offence is very, very serious, the courts have sent | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
a very serious message to the public, that if they brush with any | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
criminal activity, they want to look at it. That is very healthy. | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
What should the FA do now? The FA have to continue with their | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
investigation. They have started it. When the police got involved, they | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
made it clear in no uncertain terms to the FA they had had to back off. | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
So the FA did. They could have act earlier, yes, to be fair to them. | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
But, they elect not to. The police got involved. And now the police | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
investigation is over, the FA have to pick up the investigation again | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
and find out whether or not it was worth bringing a charge against | :10:00. | :10:06. | |
John Terry for the language he admits he said. Jim White, isn't it | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
going to look terribly vindictive if the FA go after John Terry, if | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
in a criminal court he has been shown to be not guilty? It will | :10:17. | :10:22. | |
make it very difficult for them. They weren't able to pursue their | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
own case once the criminal charge was put to John Terry. The law had | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
to go through its course. It is now going to be very hard for them to | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
come up with something else. Any way, Terry can use the same defence, | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
which has been successful it time round. I think, once again, the FA | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
is going to come out of this looking pretty powerless and pretty | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
hopeless. Of course, it could be at that John Terry wouldn't be the | :10:45. | :10:54. | |
only party in this dispute, to be found guilty by the FA of some kind | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
of offence? The FA hadn't acted for a while before the Crown | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
Prosecution Service accepted in, and they could have done that. The | :11:01. | :11:08. | |
judge had was clear he had no reason to doubt Anton Ferdinand's | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
account. With John Terry, he's very happy to turn up for a trophy when | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
not playing a match, perhaps he could have said in it moment he had | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
had crossed the line and regrets saying something he said and take | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
responsibility for his own actions. He's the England football captain, | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
and we ask something of him, we might ask Premier League players | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
paid thousands a week, to have the standards that we ask 14-year-olds | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
and 11-year-olds on school football pitches. Have you learned anything | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
this week about how players behave, that can't have shocked you, any of | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
that? First and foremost. People have towns the process. There is a | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
clear misunderstanding in this debate of the process. What the | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
police have done, they have exercise, or the CPS have done, | :11:52. | :11:58. | |
they have exercised their right at looking at a criminal charge. That | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
is one test. They are not in charge the CPS, or the courts, of what | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
happens on a football field. It is a the role of the Football | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
Association. I'm asking about the football field. All the evidence we | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
heard about the abuse that is thrown at players from fans, | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
between players on the pitch Do you think that is edifying? Of course | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
not. Why is that allowed? You have to ask the Football Association. | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
They have referees that are in charge of games. It is quite clear | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
that now the public are beginning to see and hear some of the | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
exchanges at that take place on a football field, one has to ask, | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
what role is the referee playing in this part. There are sanctions to | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
deal with that sort of language. What we are talking about, at the | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
moment, is the language that was useded by a particular player. The | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
question for the FA -- used by a particular player, the question for | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
the FA is, is that acceptable for a professional footballer. Let me | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
take you back a few months when a liver player accepted that he said | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
something ina-- Liverpool player accepted something he said was | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
unacceptable, a racist slur, but in his country was acceptable. The FA | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
took sanctions against that player, it was Luis Suarez, they are now in | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
a difficult position over John Terry. He accepts the fact at that | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
he said wa he said. The question for the FA -- what he said. The | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
question for the FA is, is it acceptable. These players are role | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
models for hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of young fans | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
across the country. The evidence we heard this week, all ate bues that | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
gets hurl about, what do you -- all the abuse that gets hurled about, | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
what do you think we have learned about these role models? If we were | :13:44. | :13:52. | |
to bandy about the words used in court, your operator of the BEEP | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
machine would be complaining about repetitive strain industry, and we | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
are well after the watershed. Football players should take a | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
pause about what happened in this court case, and they need to | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
realise if they are perfectly happy to take the money from television, | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
they have to realise what the consequences of being on television | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
are. They talk about this being the language of the factory floor. At | :14:16. | :14:23. | |
the use that terrible euphamism, "industrial language", but actually, | :14:23. | :14:29. | |
the factory floor isn't beam live, on a Saturday lunchtime, into seven | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
million homes. I think at that we talked interest about the referee | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
having to step in, I think the players have to really take pause | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
from this case, and realise at that what they are doing does themselves, | :14:38. | :14:46. | |
and their game, no good whatsoever. We saw in the report suggested at | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
that referees should start sending players off for foul language. Who | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
would be left on the pitch? To do it one weekend, there would be | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
people left on the pitch. Presumably they would want to earn | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
their money. I go back to being a 12-year-old going to football | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
matches 25 years a as fans we have change absolutely the culture of | :15:07. | :15:13. | |
our game on the terraces with the racism that was there. If I take my | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
children they won't hear the racism that was interest R we weren't | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
expecting to come back from the dress room to the pitch. If the | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
behaviour we expect from the fans paying money to see it, you might | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
expect a bit better for the people being paid �100,000 to play the | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
game. When the Government finally | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
unveiled its plans for social care in England, on Wednesday, a number | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
of key components were missing, such as how would it all be paid | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
for? When we asked for the answers, we were told, just wait for the | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
Spending Review. Our political editor is hearing | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
that wait for the Spending Review might be longer than we expect. It | :15:50. | :15:56. | |
is a very important moment for Government, any Government, it is | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
where obviously spending is decide. In the current climate, it is, more | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
importantly, where cuts are resided. Wa are you hearing about the | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
delays? It was only suppose to be between the 2013/14 window, now it | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
is clear from all sorts of sources across Whitehall and political | :16:14. | :16:19. | |
parties, at that everybody expects it to be towards the end of 2014, | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
as late as possible before a general election, partly because of | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
something illustrateded tomorrow, when the Lib Dem leader meets -- | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
illustrated tomorrow, when the Lib Dem leader meets with his people | :16:33. | :16:39. | |
tomorrow, and they haul him over the coals for these welfare cuts, | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
and all sorts of other cuts that have been announceded if that | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
Spending Review. It really throws into relief, that -- announced that | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
Spending Review, it really throws into relief those tens of billions | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
of cuts at that will be incredibly difficult for Tories who want many | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
more cuts. We Nick Boles on the programme on Monday talking about | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
cuts to tax credits and housing benefit, much more than we have at | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
the moment. You have Lib Dems saying tomorrow to their reader at | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
that you can't sign up to the Comprehensive Spending Review, you | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
have to do a separate one, and you probably can't do the ones, you | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
should be reat thising the ones you have if train at the moment. Both | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
parties -- Treating the ones you have in train at the moment. Both | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
parties have to put out the dividing lines pre-election? | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
dividing lines have been set out for a few months now. There is a | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
definite sense of how they have to make it clearer to each party, if | :17:34. | :17:40. | |
you are the Tories, tooth and claw, if you are Labour you haven't lost | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
touch with your base. That difference has been going on for a | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
while, but becoming more fraught and tense, in a period that was | :17:48. | :17:54. | |
supposed to be jolly and feel good, the Olympics, the summer has turned | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
fra,. There is no -- Fractious. There is | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
no dispute, there has been military axiveity in the Syrian village -- | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
activity in the Syrian village of Tremseh. The Government says they | :18:08. | :18:13. | |
have killed no civilian, but terrorists, activists said 200 | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
people are dead. If it is true, that will be the site of the | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
bloodiest single event in the crisis. | :18:21. | :18:27. | |
Scores of corpes are laid out in one village. The world is reminded | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
of Syria's bloody stalemate, a war in which dozens day, day in, day | :18:32. | :18:38. | |
out, across the country. In Tremseh, according to the opposition, the | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
massacre began with shelling by Government tanks, helicopters and | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
artillery, and continued when militia men moved in to kill | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
villagers at random. One, at least, appears to have been a child. Many | :18:51. | :18:57. | |
of the victims were young men. Some may have been rebel fighters. But | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
what exactly happened at Tremseh, and how many died, can't be | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
confirmed, until the UN mission is able to visit. | :19:07. | :19:14. | |
We stand ready to go in and seek verification of facts. If and when | :19:14. | :19:22. | |
there is a credible ceasefire. Whatever the UN establishes, it | :19:22. | :19:29. | |
seems that, as in other killings, like at Houla in May, Sunni Muslim | :19:29. | :19:38. | |
villagers were pith at least partly against militias, called Shabiha | :19:38. | :19:45. | |
from the President's minority. The sectarian divide widened, when the | :19:45. | :19:51. | |
Syrian official, the ambassador to Baghdad, publicly defect. He urged | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
the army to turn their guns on the criminals of the regime. Last week | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
an even more important figure fled to Paris. | :20:00. | :20:05. | |
His father, seen here in uniform, once defence minister, of the | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
regime's most poufrt Sunni backer. He has gone abroad, and his son has | :20:10. | :20:16. | |
been sidelined. He's an important part of that Regime, but at the | :20:16. | :20:22. | |
point where it turned criminal, it is fairly clear that he has | :20:22. | :20:30. | |
refuseded to join the criminal practices. Some would say if he was | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
already highly mistrust, if he was already effectively under house | :20:33. | :20:39. | |
arrest, this doesn't really make much difference? Yes, it does. We | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
are speaking of the credibility of this regime, we are speaking of the | :20:42. | :20:47. | |
trust of people in the ability of this regime to prevail. It is not | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
clear whether he are join the opposition, but it is likely that | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
French intelligence, busy debriefing him it week, helped him | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
escape. I have no doubt in my mind, at that the western powers are | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
waging a war by other means against the Al-Assad regime. An economic | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
war, a psychological war, and of course, a war of words, against the | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
Al-Assad regime. And my take on it, my understanding, is at that the | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
western powers, particularly Britain, France and the United | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
States, have been very much proactive if trying to motivate and | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
encourage single members of the Al- Assad regime to defect. | :21:25. | :21:32. | |
defections reflect the widening of the war. The family is from the | :21:32. | :21:39. | |
town repeatedly attacked by Syrian regime. | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
Around the capital, Damascus, the army is now shelling areas it once | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
controlled. Now, the United States, whose | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
deputy Secretary of State was in Beirut today, wants more sanctions | :21:52. | :21:54. | |
against Syria. But Russia still hopes for internal political | :21:54. | :22:00. | |
progress. Russia has certainly moderate its | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
support for President Assad, it is willing now to talk about a | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
possible transition to a Government of National Unity. An option that | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
the UN envoy, nan fan nan,s are wants to explore -- Kofi Annan, | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
also wants to explore further. As the civil war intensifies, and the | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
social and sectarian base of the regime grows ever-narrower, there | :22:19. | :22:26. | |
are to credible figures who could act as a bridge, or any real | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
willingness for compromise on either side. We will not talk to | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
the regime as it is, the Al-Assad family needs to be item one on a | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
Princess Anne for transition. A dialogue with members of the regime | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
appointed by Al-Assad is abs routely a waste of time. -- | :22:45. | :22:51. | |
absolutely a waste of time. Both sides view the conflict as | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
existential, this is a fight to the bitter end. Make to doubt about it. | :22:56. | :23:02. | |
International diplomacy is sag nant, the Security Council is -- stagnant, | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
the Security Council is paralyse. Tragically yesterday's massacre is | :23:06. | :23:12. | |
unlikely to be the last. The Syrian activist is in contact | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
with pane people inside the country. In washing -- many people inside | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
the country, and other other guest. What are your contacts telling us? | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
The fact that the Syrian regime has done this indiscriminate shelling | :23:27. | :23:37. | |
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of it Rhyl village, it has gn cor - - of this village. It has been | :23:39. | :23:41. | |
coroborate, there are dead civilian, particularly women and children. It | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
is a the only way we can tell they are civilians, because of the age | :23:45. | :23:51. | |
and the gender of the victim. have at the told but the chronology | :23:51. | :23:58. | |
of events? At about 4.30am, local time, I got a text message from | :23:58. | :24:03. | |
some contacts I have in a town not far from where the attack happened | :24:03. | :24:09. | |
last night. They said that there was a lot of military activities. | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
Of course, there is some armed elements from the Free Syrian Army, | :24:12. | :24:19. | |
but we did fot expect the Syrian army to have -- we did not effect | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
the Syrian army to be interest, there is bigger France of them in | :24:23. | :24:29. | |
other areas. This is fall if anything a pattern of methodology. | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
The Syrian regular army is employing now to induce sectarian | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
tension amongst those villages where you find Alawite and other | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
Christian sects living side of by- side with Sunni villages. | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
people try to flee? Yes, it is where some were killed. They were | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
killed if farms surrounding the village. This is when those | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
civilians tried to get out from the only exit available to them. | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
Because, we know from our information later in the day, that | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
interests about 20 tanks inside it village. We are assuming those | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
tanks were actually surrounding that village. They went after them | :25:08. | :25:14. | |
when they tried to flee? They were intercept by what they say were | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
civilian, or people wearing civilian clothes, but armed. At the | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
said they were, according to tem, they were from neighbouring | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
villages, and they belong -- to them, but they were from | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
neighbouring villages and they belong to the Alawite sects. | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
can't verify that and you have an agenda here? You are talking to | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
emotionally charged people, these are individuals who have just fled | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
what they considered a massacre. I'm telling you the story as I'm | :25:40. | :25:46. | |
actually getting it from tem. But, unless the regime -- them, but | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
unless the regime allows the international team to go there and | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
investigate on ground, we have no way of establishing facts, and | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
those responsible for committing those atrocities. Which has been | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
the tricky thing if the past. It should be said that Hillary Clinton, | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
your Secretary of State, seems pretty clear about what has | :26:03. | :26:10. | |
happened. She says credible reports state that this unconshenable act | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
carried out, the regime deliberately murdered nfpbt | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
civilians. What will she do about it? I don't think she as going to | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
do all that much, unfortunately. I would actually give more greedance | :26:22. | :26:32. | |
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to the statements made by the UN Special Envoy, Kofi Annan. While | :26:32. | :26:40. | |
not as sharply of word as Secretary Clinton, essentially said the same | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
thing. In terms of actions, there is little appetite among the great | :26:44. | :26:49. | |
powers, the European or the United States for a military intervention. | :26:49. | :26:56. | |
I think what Secretary Clinton and the other western powers are | :26:56. | :27:02. | |
groping for, is an intensification of sanctions on Syria, that would | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
put further pressure on regime and then, working with the Russians, to | :27:07. | :27:13. | |
move to some kind of a negotiation. But I must say, that I'm very | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
pessimistic about the prospects here, at least over the next | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
several weeks. What is the likelihood the Russians will be | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
more on board than they have been? I think that we have seen a bit of | :27:23. | :27:33. | |
change in tone by the Russians, but I don't believe that the essence of | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
the Russian position has changed. I think the Russians are still, in | :27:37. | :27:43. | |
effect, providing the kind of support to the regime that | :27:43. | :27:50. | |
strengthens the will of the Alawite minority here, to keep its thrust | :27:50. | :27:56. | |
on, to weaken the opposition elements. Even though if the past | :27:56. | :28:03. | |
month, it strategy is clearly failing. | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
Are we seeing rampent sectarianism at work here? If you look at what | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
the regime has if terms of options. The only realistic one that it has | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
is to actually induce sectarian tension. They have to way to | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
control the country now. There is so many restive areas, at that they | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
do not simply have the man power to actually be everywhere at the same | :28:24. | :28:30. | |
time. Prus they have a big problem recruiting -- plus they have a big | :28:30. | :28:35. | |
problem recruiting people to the army and security forces. Many | :28:35. | :28:41. | |
thousands of young men were supposed to join the army, only 45 | :28:41. | :28:46. | |
from Darfur have joined it year. They have a problem recruiting | :28:46. | :28:52. | |
people, it is a why they are wanting people living in villages | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
from other sects, to pay them money and hire them as hired guns, this | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
is bringing tensions in the villages. Now a quick look at the | :29:02. | :29:12. | |
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front pages of tomorrow morning's Before we let you go and have a | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
weekend. Just take a moment to consider, that if you hadn't died | :29:39. | :29:48. | |
44 years ago, tomorrow would have been Woody Guthrey would have been | :29:48. | :29:55. | |
live and well. There are only two surviving recordings of him singing. | :29:55. | :30:04. | |
Here he is in 196. # Setting down on his mammy's | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
# Up a hammer in his little right hand | :30:07. | :30:11. | |
# That's enough for me # That will be the death of me | :30:11. | :30:20. |