13/07/2012 Newsnight


13/07/2012

John Terry found not guilty. Is this a case that the prosecutor could ever have won? Another massacre in Syria. Does it change anything? With Eddie Mair.


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Is it racist to say BEEP BEEP BEEP, it wasn't when he said it on a

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football pitch last year. Auk issful trial for Jon George Terry,

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not guilty, the magistrate praises his performance in the box. But

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where does it leave the campaign to kick racism out of football. David

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Cameron and Nick Clegg aren't calling each other names, yet, how

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long can that last? We are hearing the next review of Government

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spending, and those all-important cuts, may now be delayed. In Syria,

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this, again? Football fans love to argue about things that happen on

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the pitch, was it a foul, was it a free kick? Was it a goal? Was it a

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potty mouth racist tie raid against a black man? New technology will

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settle goal line disputes, but so far hopeless at settling racist

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disputes, we rely on magistrates for. That

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We will ask whether there was a colossal or embarrassing waste of

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time or a fair trial. This report contains very strong language.

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English we proudly tell ourselves, is the richest language, there are

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tens of thousand of words in common usage. For all this vocabulary, and

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all the forms and derivatives, The Terrors ter says ended on just

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three words, black BEEP Black Swan, of the three that are an obscenity,

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it was the one that wasn't that causeded the offence. John Terry

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walked out without a stain on his character, but after a week of

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evidence, no-one looks good. John Terry had admitted using the

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expletives, he was caught on camera, during a running argument with the

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QPR player, Terry maintained it was all a misunderstanding, he was

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merely repeating the insult he thought Ferdinand had, wrongly,

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accused him of using, earlier in the game. This is what he told FA

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investigators. I think he's accusing me of calling him a black

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BEEP, in the altercation we have had. And then, obviously, you know,

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and even in my statement it is clear to say, I repeat what he has

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said. I have been called a lot of things in my football career and

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outside of football as well, being a racist is not one I'm prepared to

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take at all. I'm not having anyone, let alone Anton think that at all

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about me, it is a not my character at all. It was John Terry suggested,

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a rhetorical device, sarkasic reputation, a sophisticateded

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nuanced argument in a case where both parties admitted exchanging

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insults, in game that became heat, in a manner that was anything but

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sophisticate. What was most striking is whether or not a racist

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remark was used in a perjorative way, they said the venacular of the

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racism, and the preface of that particular exchange was normal.

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This is conventional behaviour on a football pitch. I think that is

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damaging in terms of the perception for football, damaging in terms of

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young people want to go get involved with football, and a

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worrying cultural commentary on the state of the professional game.

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The level of the penalty area discourse wasn't high, Anton

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Ferdinand admitteded suggesting John Terry had an affair with a

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team-mate's girlfriend, Terry denied that, and called Ferdinand a

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knobhead, and wafting his hands, as if he had bad breath. For both then

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this was obvious want he, what wasn't acceptable, both men agreed,

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was the use of the word "black". English football spent 20 years

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riding itself of overt racism, the criminal law can bear down on

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racial abuse in any context. One of Britain's first black judges said

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they are tough cases to try. They make me feel incredibly uneasy when

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I prosecute and defend. Of course, one is always conscious, that in

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the dock, you have someone who not only has his reputation at stake,

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there is that possibility that were he to be convict, or she, they will

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have that label, or that stigma, racism, or racist, yes, of course,

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the stakes are incredibly high. As to whether somebody ought to be

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tried on uttering one wore, when they have a clear reputation of not

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being a racist, whether they should be in the dock for that leaves me

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very, very uneasy. The charge for which John Terry has now been

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acquit, led to his losing the England cap -- acquit, as led to

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his losing the England captaincy, and resigning. The irony is, it is

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what a court has decided he hasn't done that has causeded most damage.

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John may have been very many things, he may have been a thug, DUP

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policous, ignorant, but the one thing he wasn't, was a racist.

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There is the wider issue of footballer' conduct, Wayne Rooney

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was convict of swearing into a camera. But how to improve the

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game's image. A very obvious starting point would be to empower

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referees in a rather more transparent way to say to players,

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if you challenge my decisions, if you swear at me, I'm going to send

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you off the pitch. Will that make a difference? Unquestionably, the

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managers, up for winning football matches, if they are losing star

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players for challenging the authority of the referee, and

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moreover, swearing at them, they will make sure the players don't do

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it. That could lead to a bit of a sea change in attitudes that would

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stamp it out more generally. The captain leader legend is how

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John Terry is style, it is two years since he pick up the Barclays

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Premier League, Barclays themselves are currently in the mire, now the

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game they sponsored is simply placed. As leading exponents would

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put it, in the BEEP. Let's have post match analysis,

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here are the former footballer and Football Association chairman,

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Gareth crooks, -- Crooks, and Jim White. Did this case belong in a

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court? I think it did, I think it was necessary to send out a signal

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this kind of language was absolutely inappropriate in a

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civilised society, and that the force of the law was there to

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uphold the feelings and rights of those who were being insulted,

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whoever you were, whether you were the eing Rand captain or not.

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England captain or not. This was a good case to hear in court?

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ended up a predictable fiasco, one of the reasons the Crown

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Prosecution Service brought the case was that the Football

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Association wasn't acting. I think it could have been dealt with a lot

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more quickly, on Monday morning, the day after the match, if the

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Football Association look at it properly, there would have been a

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different standard of proof on the balance of probabilities, John

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Terry has got off, because in law there is a slight doubt. He has the

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benefit of a very slight doubt. In society everyone who has seen that

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tape will have a view as to whether they think this implausible excuse

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might just be the case or not. the FA could have act quicker, tell

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me why you think it was a fiasco? Because we have had months and

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months of this, in the end we can't work it out because you can't

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follow on the lip-reading evidence. You have a sense, actualry, out

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there, that people feel that somebody has use at that language,

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and it's turned out not to be something that you prosecute. There

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is good news here as well. Everyone agrees it is absolutely

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unacceptable, the issue is, can you prove it. You could have proved it

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on a football case on the balance of prob acts, it was never to go

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proved -- probabilities, it was never going to be proved in a kuert

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of law. From the -- A tourt of law. From the soundbiteing you are

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hearing from players today what are you hearing? I'm hearing they are

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confuse, not awfully surprise. I think they felt that John Terry's

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legal team had had put together a very sophisticated case. They won

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the case. I don't agree here that when somebody is charged with a

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criminal offence, then that charge has to be test. That's what's

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happened. The issue of whether they win or lose is irrelevant. An

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alleged racist offence is very, very serious, the courts have sent

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a very serious message to the public, that if they brush with any

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criminal activity, they want to look at it. That is very healthy.

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What should the FA do now? The FA have to continue with their

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investigation. They have started it. When the police got involved, they

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made it clear in no uncertain terms to the FA they had had to back off.

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So the FA did. They could have act earlier, yes, to be fair to them.

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But, they elect not to. The police got involved. And now the police

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investigation is over, the FA have to pick up the investigation again

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and find out whether or not it was worth bringing a charge against

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John Terry for the language he admits he said. Jim White, isn't it

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going to look terribly vindictive if the FA go after John Terry, if

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in a criminal court he has been shown to be not guilty? It will

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make it very difficult for them. They weren't able to pursue their

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own case once the criminal charge was put to John Terry. The law had

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to go through its course. It is now going to be very hard for them to

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come up with something else. Any way, Terry can use the same defence,

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which has been successful it time round. I think, once again, the FA

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is going to come out of this looking pretty powerless and pretty

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hopeless. Of course, it could be at that John Terry wouldn't be the

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only party in this dispute, to be found guilty by the FA of some kind

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of offence? The FA hadn't acted for a while before the Crown

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Prosecution Service accepted in, and they could have done that. The

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judge had was clear he had no reason to doubt Anton Ferdinand's

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account. With John Terry, he's very happy to turn up for a trophy when

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not playing a match, perhaps he could have said in it moment he had

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had crossed the line and regrets saying something he said and take

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responsibility for his own actions. He's the England football captain,

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and we ask something of him, we might ask Premier League players

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paid thousands a week, to have the standards that we ask 14-year-olds

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and 11-year-olds on school football pitches. Have you learned anything

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this week about how players behave, that can't have shocked you, any of

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that? First and foremost. People have towns the process. There is a

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clear misunderstanding in this debate of the process. What the

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police have done, they have exercise, or the CPS have done,

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they have exercised their right at looking at a criminal charge. That

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is one test. They are not in charge the CPS, or the courts, of what

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happens on a football field. It is a the role of the Football

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Association. I'm asking about the football field. All the evidence we

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heard about the abuse that is thrown at players from fans,

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between players on the pitch Do you think that is edifying? Of course

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not. Why is that allowed? You have to ask the Football Association.

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They have referees that are in charge of games. It is quite clear

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that now the public are beginning to see and hear some of the

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exchanges at that take place on a football field, one has to ask,

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what role is the referee playing in this part. There are sanctions to

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deal with that sort of language. What we are talking about, at the

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moment, is the language that was useded by a particular player. The

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question for the FA -- used by a particular player, the question for

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the FA is, is that acceptable for a professional footballer. Let me

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take you back a few months when a liver player accepted that he said

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something ina-- Liverpool player accepted something he said was

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unacceptable, a racist slur, but in his country was acceptable. The FA

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took sanctions against that player, it was Luis Suarez, they are now in

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a difficult position over John Terry. He accepts the fact at that

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he said wa he said. The question for the FA -- what he said. The

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question for the FA is, is it acceptable. These players are role

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models for hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of young fans

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across the country. The evidence we heard this week, all ate bues that

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gets hurl about, what do you -- all the abuse that gets hurled about,

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what do you think we have learned about these role models? If we were

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to bandy about the words used in court, your operator of the BEEP

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machine would be complaining about repetitive strain industry, and we

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are well after the watershed. Football players should take a

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pause about what happened in this court case, and they need to

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realise if they are perfectly happy to take the money from television,

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they have to realise what the consequences of being on television

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are. They talk about this being the language of the factory floor. At

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the use that terrible euphamism, "industrial language", but actually,

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the factory floor isn't beam live, on a Saturday lunchtime, into seven

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million homes. I think at that we talked interest about the referee

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having to step in, I think the players have to really take pause

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from this case, and realise at that what they are doing does themselves,

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and their game, no good whatsoever. We saw in the report suggested at

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that referees should start sending players off for foul language. Who

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would be left on the pitch? To do it one weekend, there would be

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people left on the pitch. Presumably they would want to earn

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their money. I go back to being a 12-year-old going to football

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matches 25 years a as fans we have change absolutely the culture of

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our game on the terraces with the racism that was there. If I take my

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children they won't hear the racism that was interest R we weren't

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expecting to come back from the dress room to the pitch. If the

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behaviour we expect from the fans paying money to see it, you might

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expect a bit better for the people being paid �100,000 to play the

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game. When the Government finally

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unveiled its plans for social care in England, on Wednesday, a number

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of key components were missing, such as how would it all be paid

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for? When we asked for the answers, we were told, just wait for the

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Spending Review. Our political editor is hearing

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that wait for the Spending Review might be longer than we expect. It

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is a very important moment for Government, any Government, it is

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where obviously spending is decide. In the current climate, it is, more

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importantly, where cuts are resided. Wa are you hearing about the

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delays? It was only suppose to be between the 2013/14 window, now it

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is clear from all sorts of sources across Whitehall and political

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parties, at that everybody expects it to be towards the end of 2014,

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as late as possible before a general election, partly because of

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something illustrateded tomorrow, when the Lib Dem leader meets --

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illustrated tomorrow, when the Lib Dem leader meets with his people

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tomorrow, and they haul him over the coals for these welfare cuts,

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and all sorts of other cuts that have been announceded if that

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Spending Review. It really throws into relief, that -- announced that

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Spending Review, it really throws into relief those tens of billions

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of cuts at that will be incredibly difficult for Tories who want many

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more cuts. We Nick Boles on the programme on Monday talking about

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cuts to tax credits and housing benefit, much more than we have at

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the moment. You have Lib Dems saying tomorrow to their reader at

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that you can't sign up to the Comprehensive Spending Review, you

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have to do a separate one, and you probably can't do the ones, you

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should be reat thising the ones you have if train at the moment. Both

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parties -- Treating the ones you have in train at the moment. Both

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parties have to put out the dividing lines pre-election?

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dividing lines have been set out for a few months now. There is a

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definite sense of how they have to make it clearer to each party, if

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you are the Tories, tooth and claw, if you are Labour you haven't lost

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touch with your base. That difference has been going on for a

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while, but becoming more fraught and tense, in a period that was

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supposed to be jolly and feel good, the Olympics, the summer has turned

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fra,. There is no -- Fractious. There is

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no dispute, there has been military axiveity in the Syrian village --

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activity in the Syrian village of Tremseh. The Government says they

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have killed no civilian, but terrorists, activists said 200

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people are dead. If it is true, that will be the site of the

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bloodiest single event in the crisis.

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Scores of corpes are laid out in one village. The world is reminded

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of Syria's bloody stalemate, a war in which dozens day, day in, day

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out, across the country. In Tremseh, according to the opposition, the

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massacre began with shelling by Government tanks, helicopters and

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artillery, and continued when militia men moved in to kill

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villagers at random. One, at least, appears to have been a child. Many

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of the victims were young men. Some may have been rebel fighters. But

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what exactly happened at Tremseh, and how many died, can't be

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confirmed, until the UN mission is able to visit.

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We stand ready to go in and seek verification of facts. If and when

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there is a credible ceasefire. Whatever the UN establishes, it

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seems that, as in other killings, like at Houla in May, Sunni Muslim

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villagers were pith at least partly against militias, called Shabiha

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from the President's minority. The sectarian divide widened, when the

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Syrian official, the ambassador to Baghdad, publicly defect. He urged

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the army to turn their guns on the criminals of the regime. Last week

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an even more important figure fled to Paris.

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His father, seen here in uniform, once defence minister, of the

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regime's most poufrt Sunni backer. He has gone abroad, and his son has

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been sidelined. He's an important part of that Regime, but at the

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point where it turned criminal, it is fairly clear that he has

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refuseded to join the criminal practices. Some would say if he was

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already highly mistrust, if he was already effectively under house

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arrest, this doesn't really make much difference? Yes, it does. We

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are speaking of the credibility of this regime, we are speaking of the

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trust of people in the ability of this regime to prevail. It is not

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clear whether he are join the opposition, but it is likely that

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French intelligence, busy debriefing him it week, helped him

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escape. I have no doubt in my mind, at that the western powers are

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waging a war by other means against the Al-Assad regime. An economic

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war, a psychological war, and of course, a war of words, against the

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Al-Assad regime. And my take on it, my understanding, is at that the

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western powers, particularly Britain, France and the United

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States, have been very much proactive if trying to motivate and

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encourage single members of the Al- Assad regime to defect.

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defections reflect the widening of the war. The family is from the

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town repeatedly attacked by Syrian regime.

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Around the capital, Damascus, the army is now shelling areas it once

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controlled. Now, the United States, whose

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deputy Secretary of State was in Beirut today, wants more sanctions

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against Syria. But Russia still hopes for internal political

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progress. Russia has certainly moderate its

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support for President Assad, it is willing now to talk about a

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possible transition to a Government of National Unity. An option that

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the UN envoy, nan fan nan,s are wants to explore -- Kofi Annan,

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also wants to explore further. As the civil war intensifies, and the

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social and sectarian base of the regime grows ever-narrower, there

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are to credible figures who could act as a bridge, or any real

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willingness for compromise on either side. We will not talk to

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the regime as it is, the Al-Assad family needs to be item one on a

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Princess Anne for transition. A dialogue with members of the regime

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appointed by Al-Assad is abs routely a waste of time. --

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absolutely a waste of time. Both sides view the conflict as

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existential, this is a fight to the bitter end. Make to doubt about it.

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International diplomacy is sag nant, the Security Council is -- stagnant,

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the Security Council is paralyse. Tragically yesterday's massacre is

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unlikely to be the last. The Syrian activist is in contact

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with pane people inside the country. In washing -- many people inside

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the country, and other other guest. What are your contacts telling us?

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The fact that the Syrian regime has done this indiscriminate shelling

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of it Rhyl village, it has gn cor - - of this village. It has been

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coroborate, there are dead civilian, particularly women and children. It

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is a the only way we can tell they are civilians, because of the age

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and the gender of the victim. have at the told but the chronology

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of events? At about 4.30am, local time, I got a text message from

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some contacts I have in a town not far from where the attack happened

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last night. They said that there was a lot of military activities.

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Of course, there is some armed elements from the Free Syrian Army,

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but we did fot expect the Syrian army to have -- we did not effect

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the Syrian army to be interest, there is bigger France of them in

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other areas. This is fall if anything a pattern of methodology.

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The Syrian regular army is employing now to induce sectarian

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tension amongst those villages where you find Alawite and other

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Christian sects living side of by- side with Sunni villages.

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people try to flee? Yes, it is where some were killed. They were

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killed if farms surrounding the village. This is when those

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civilians tried to get out from the only exit available to them.

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Because, we know from our information later in the day, that

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interests about 20 tanks inside it village. We are assuming those

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tanks were actually surrounding that village. They went after them

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when they tried to flee? They were intercept by what they say were

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civilian, or people wearing civilian clothes, but armed. At the

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said they were, according to tem, they were from neighbouring

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villages, and they belong -- to them, but they were from

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neighbouring villages and they belong to the Alawite sects.

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can't verify that and you have an agenda here? You are talking to

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emotionally charged people, these are individuals who have just fled

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what they considered a massacre. I'm telling you the story as I'm

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actually getting it from tem. But, unless the regime -- them, but

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unless the regime allows the international team to go there and

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investigate on ground, we have no way of establishing facts, and

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those responsible for committing those atrocities. Which has been

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the tricky thing if the past. It should be said that Hillary Clinton,

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your Secretary of State, seems pretty clear about what has

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happened. She says credible reports state that this unconshenable act

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carried out, the regime deliberately murdered nfpbt

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civilians. What will she do about it? I don't think she as going to

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do all that much, unfortunately. I would actually give more greedance

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to the statements made by the UN Special Envoy, Kofi Annan. While

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not as sharply of word as Secretary Clinton, essentially said the same

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thing. In terms of actions, there is little appetite among the great

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powers, the European or the United States for a military intervention.

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I think what Secretary Clinton and the other western powers are

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groping for, is an intensification of sanctions on Syria, that would

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put further pressure on regime and then, working with the Russians, to

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move to some kind of a negotiation. But I must say, that I'm very

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pessimistic about the prospects here, at least over the next

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several weeks. What is the likelihood the Russians will be

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more on board than they have been? I think that we have seen a bit of

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change in tone by the Russians, but I don't believe that the essence of

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the Russian position has changed. I think the Russians are still, in

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effect, providing the kind of support to the regime that

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strengthens the will of the Alawite minority here, to keep its thrust

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on, to weaken the opposition elements. Even though if the past

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month, it strategy is clearly failing.

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Are we seeing rampent sectarianism at work here? If you look at what

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the regime has if terms of options. The only realistic one that it has

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is to actually induce sectarian tension. They have to way to

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control the country now. There is so many restive areas, at that they

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do not simply have the man power to actually be everywhere at the same

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time. Prus they have a big problem recruiting -- plus they have a big

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problem recruiting people to the army and security forces. Many

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thousands of young men were supposed to join the army, only 45

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from Darfur have joined it year. They have a problem recruiting

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people, it is a why they are wanting people living in villages

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from other sects, to pay them money and hire them as hired guns, this

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is bringing tensions in the villages. Now a quick look at the

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front pages of tomorrow morning's Before we let you go and have a

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weekend. Just take a moment to consider, that if you hadn't died

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44 years ago, tomorrow would have been Woody Guthrey would have been

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live and well. There are only two surviving recordings of him singing.

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Here he is in 196. # Setting down on his mammy's

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# Up a hammer in his little right hand

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# That's enough for me # That will be the death of me

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