02/08/2012 Newsnight


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He said he was willing to do whatever it takes to save the euro,


but not just yet. The President of the European Central Bank's words


can make markets leap and crash. While Mr Draghi was speaking, the


Spanish stock market lost 5% of its value, and the interest rates that


Spain and Italy have to pay on debts spiked up.


Another great day for British cycling, Chris Hoy gets his fifth


gold medal and sets a new world record. Kofi Annan quits his role


as Syria mediator, frustrated by his lack of progress. At a time


when we need, when the Syrian people desperately need action,


there continues to be finger pointing and name calling in the


Security Council. Thousands are fleeing Syria, but neighbouring


countries can no longer cope. Doucet does reports from -- Lyse


Doucet reports from a struggling border. Black and ethnic minority


groups could hold the keys to Downing Street. I have been told to


vote Labour all my life, to have another man from another party in


my room is like the police force. If it wasn't so serious it would be


quite funny, Mario Draghi, head of the European Central Bank, spoke


today of his plans to save Spain and Italy. With comedy timing,


their Stock Exchanges simultaneously took a dive as he


talked, the Spanish market losing 5% of its value during his press


conference. A week after promising to do "whatever it takes", the ECB


chief seems to have quietly added the world, "not just yet", has he


set out a Road Map for the out As the crisis swirls, Mario Draghi


has become, inadvertantly, the most powerful man in the world. He has


the power to save the euro, or let it sink. And last week he said,


watch this, I'm about to do something really big. Today, he


started with big talk. Related to fears of the stability of the euro


are unacceptable, and need to be addressed in a fundamental manner.


The euro is irreversible. But, then, Mario Draghi boldy went where, well,


every other European policy maker has already gone, round in circles.


The governing council may consider undertaking further, non-standard,


monetary policy measures, according to what is required to repair


monetary policy transmission. Over the coming weeks, we will design


the appropriate modalities for such policy measures. Brief translation,


nothing happening. Mario Draghi couldn't have been clearer, the ECB,


he said, will save the euro, by going to the markets and buying up


the bonds of Italy and Spain. But, only when those two countries


accept a massive bail out, and the austerity that goes with it. The


markets are wrong, he said, to doubt the survival of the euro, and


this is what the markets thought of that.


The euro plunged, the Italian stock market also plunged, and Spain's


cost of borrowing spiked. I think the ECB is now essentially saying


wait five weeks until the next ECB meeting, and we will have developed


plans further by then. I'm not sure if the markets will wait five weeks,


when they are in a pattern of crises in the eurozone kicking off


in the August time. I can easily see Spanish yields under pressure


for the next few week, Italian yields under pressure. Meanwhile


the Italian and Spanish economies are starting to contract, they are


in recession. The longer the ECB takes to deal with this, the longer


the pain goes on in southern Europe. Not just southern Europe. Draghi


confirmed what the market surveys have already signalled, the entire


eurozone economy is in trouble. This graph, just one of many


signals a slowdown in the autumn, and beneath the surface, the very


fabric of the eurozone is under strain. Just 20% of loans in Europe


use cross-border collateral now, compared with 50% years -- six


years ago. Across the eurozone, is a huge


level of Government indebtedness, combined with extremely slow growth.


Whilst r whilst the countries within the periphery remain within


the euro, there is no prospect of these countries growing their way


out of the debt problem. There are huge fiscal head winds to come,


with ageing populations and so on. I think the markets are correctly


pricing the credit risk in the periphery of the eurozone, I think


they are underestimating risk in other countries. All eyes now are


on Spain, already simmering with protests and political rouse. It is


just pledging to make 65 billion euros worth of tax rises and cuts.


Draghi effectively told them to take a much bigger bail out for the


entire economy. The implication of that, more cuts, and more protests.


So the prime ministers of Italy and Spain met today and plerpblged,


well, about the same -- pledged the same as Mr Draghi, to think about


stuff. There is no sign they are about to seek a bail out. The


European Central Bank has always been the key to saving the euro, it


can unleash bail outs en massive scale, outstripping what the


Governments and the IMF can do, because it can print money and just


lend it. The problem has always been Germany, and today it was


still gerl. -- Germany. This man is Germany's representative at the ECB.


He was the only one, today, not to vote for action. There wasn't


really much action. The stakes are huge, we have already seen bail


outs in Greece, we have seen bail outs in Portugal, in Ireland, but


all of those countries are small fry compared to Spain or Italy.


These are two huge economies, they have banking sectors, particularly


in Spain, which are in trouble. We have rising unemployment and the


potential for a really nasty crash in the eurozone, far worse than


anything we have seen so far. next? It is a giant game of chicken,


if Draghi can get the measures promised and force a massive bail


out and keep Greece from going bust, the euro is saved, if not, it is


not. Paul's here for bait more on that


giant game of chicken. This time last week, Paul, a lot of people


getting very excited by the words "we will do whatever it takes". He


meant without any action? He said, "we will do whatever it takes,


believe me, it will be enough". What he should have probably said


was, "hang on lads, I've got a great idea", that famous line from


the Italian Job. It is a great idea what he has done today is to spell


it out. Since October, the European Union and the euro zone have been


trapped between almost two types of solution. One solution is, you


unleash about 500 billion worth of bail out from the IMF and European


states, and you save Europe that way. The other way, always


preferred, the ECB has money on tap, it can just do it. Its future money,


it is not taken from treasures now. I think what drag -- treasuries now.


Draghi pulled the debate firmly back to how the ECB could be the


ultimate solution. And it is Italy and Spain take a bail out, take a


lot more austerity, then they get money from the bail out fund, and


then the taps are turned on T would work, if, of course, the markets


don't crash the entire thing between now and when they get round


to designing it. Is the sequencing enough to take us through the


summer. Can it stave off disaster until October? The eurocrisis does


have a remarkable ability to go quiet at the exact moment of the


European Mediterranean yachting season. It did it last year, and it


probably will do again. We were only talking, this is a big game of


chicken between states and markets. If the states, I would put my money


on the IMF, the EU, the eurozone, actually doing this, and the


markets losing money, who are betting on a clop. If it were only


the case of the two -- collapse. If it were the case of only two in the


game. There is a third set of people in the game, the European


people. Every week that goes by, it is dawning on the Spanish and


Italian people, that they will get the Greek treatment. Those of us


who know the politics and social demo graphy of those countries, are


pretty unconvinced nel go through what Greece did -- they will go


through what Greece did, without some earlier political battles.


They got Greece wrong? They already know they got Greece wrong, they


are not doing it to Spain, they are letting Spain set the terms of the


bail out. Greece is weeks away from the final renegotiation before they


give up the ghost on that country. Between 3.30 and around 3.37


Britain suddenly went bonkers. Team GB claimed a gold in canoeing, a


silver in canoeing, a gold in shooting and silver in Judo. It was


later matched with the cyclist Chris Hoy breaking a world record


and claiming his memorable fifth gold medal. The disappointment lay


with the women's cycling duo, with Victoria Pendleton, they were


denied a medal with a takeover They say the Olympics shouldn't be


about medals. That's df infinitely true when you start the day a --


that's definitely true when you Stuart the day in 11th in the medal


table. Suddenly we started to move up. Suddenly a close silver in the


canoeing had the whole Newsnight office screaming.


There was gold and silver in the canoe slam lem. -- slalom. Then our


first Judo medal in 12 years. All right, so we might not be talking


about the 100m final here. But a gold is a gold. Just ask Pete


Wilson in the double trap shooting. You are an Olympic gold medallist?


I am, that is weird to say. That I'm an Olympic gold medallist. Dad!


It didn't all go our way, Britain's women broke the world record but


were punished for an early changover, and lost out on the


chance of a medal. It is one of those things, really. Now and again


rubbish things happen, and this is one of those days.


Even more pressure, then, on Sir Chris Hoy and his team-mates. But


they delivered. A world record and a gold to take Britain up to fifth


in the medal table. With me now the cycling legend and


1992 Olympic gold medallists Chris Boardman. Talk us through it, why


are we so good at cycling, it started with your era, 1992? It did,


the real changing bouyant was lottery funding, lot hery funding


and talent. There was a gold medal in 2000, the lottery funding came


on stream. What we were doing back in the 1990s was able to expand.


What happens is you have one individual who gets a gold medal,


the others who train with them say that is a bridgeable gap, and that


spreads out and a whole system of built from there. It has slowly


spread out across discipline. important is the money in terms of,


it came to cycling, it could have gone somewhere else? It has made a


big difference. Cycling is a venue sport, everything is built around


the velodrome in Manchester. Road cycling is well supported, there is


millions in that. Track cycling isn't, the finances made a huge


difference. Lizzie Armistead, when she claimed that brilliant silver


medal, made the point quickly that women had felt left out or second


rate in a lot of sports. Is that something you recognise? There is a


ways to go at the moment, certainly in the Olympic sport, there was a


disparity in the amount of the events of the Olympic events. They


have equal events now. On the professional side it is still very


different, there is still differences in the Olympic events


in distance, the women might ride a 500m timetable, the men a kilometer,


why the difference? There is still a way to go. If you look at the duo


today, the British response, rubbish days happen. That is an


absolutely guting moment for the duo there. But something, I guess,


every athlete comes very close to? When you are pushing it to the


limit, sometimes you cross that particular threshold, that happened


today. They just mistimed the takeover? It is a bit like changing


over a baton, you changover outside the zone that is the end. To push


the limits you have to be right on the edge, pushing it to the edge of


the zone. That is what happened today. They got the call wrong. It


is so tragic, particularly for Jessica Varnish, this was her


Olympic shot at a medal, four years of work she had put into it for one


lap of the track. That was it. So close, world record time, they were


really on track for it. That is the way it works. Chris, a lot of the


Olympic sports are things that we admire, we look at, but we know we


will not attempt. You will not pick up a javelin or go canoeing every


weekend, cycling is something very close to the British character. Do


you think that, you know, we are embracing that because we see it in


ourselves. Is that because everyone's on the road now? It is a


wonderfully accessible tool for transport. It is something you can


do from 8-089, and either side of that. Unlike running you can free-


wheel and shoos your speed. It is massively accessible, I hope it is


a massive advert for the sport, and it will ripple out and we will see


it as a tool for transport. The implications of success here could


be huge. In overturning the way our cities are run. Bradley Wiggins


made the point, after the tragic death of the cyclist in London,


that he felt helmets, not speaking directly about the young man who


died, that helmets should be enforcible by law. I'm not sure


about that, statistics don't necessarily support it either. It


is a tool for transport, and helmets are a tool that are used


when required. I think really the question is why do we need helmets


now and we didn't hen years ago. I -- ten years ago. They can distract


from the real argument, which is why don't we make an environment


that lets this activities take place. It so was so many problems


with pollution, health and congestion, why don't we invest in


it. What is that, you have a Mayor of London a keen cyclist, throwing


money at it with the Boris bikes? There is a finite amount of road


space, we are at a juncture now where you have to make a choice,


that is politically difficult, somebody has to pavement at the


moment road design is very much, for a cyclist, is get the cyclist


out of the way of the car safely, rather than let's move the car out


of the way of the cyclist. That is a big call for a politician to make.


You don't think anyone will do that? I think things like we are


seeing right now in the Olympics is the focus on this sport, along with


the upswell, the amount of people cycling in London, in what is, let


as say a challenging environment, now is a good time to make a call


like that. Thank you. With ill- concealed frustration, Kofi Annan


announced he would quit his post as mediator to Syria at the end of the


month. Speaking of the name-calling and finger-pointing within the


United Nations Security Council. The former head of the UN was


scathing in his criticism of world powers to stop the escalating


violence. As fight anything Syria intensifies, thousands are fleeing


to neighbouring countries, Jordan has seen nearly 40,000 refugees


cross its border and decided this to take action.


Lyse Doucet is there for us now. The Kofi Annan peace process has


added new pessimism right across the region, ever since he took on


what he called a "difficult" assignment. Many across the region


said it simply wouldn't work. There is a truism across the region as


well, no matter how much trouble his plan was in, there was no Plan


B, there was simply no other plan. Now that there is no Kofi Annan as


mediator, it means, not only is his plan in trouble, but Syria is in


greater trouble, and all that is left is the violence. The violence


is growing, which means not only is there a crisis inside Syria, there


is a growing crisis on all of its borders, underlining, yet again,


that this conflict has the capacity to reek havoc ayes cross the region.


The most runnable -- across the nation. The most vulnerable is the


tiny poor kingdom of Jordan. It has always been battered by neighbours'


crises, and always taken in waves of refugees. In recent weeks, as


the number of Syrians crossing into Jordan reached 2,000, the


Government decided it had to take action.


After months of living in war, moments of peace and quiet in this


transit camp in Jordan. But kink Abdullah Park isn't the kind of


place where children normal low play. The Syrians here are still


scared, most don't want their faces shown. Ahmed was studying English


literature until the fighting was too much toe bear. Even the


fighting on the way out was dangerous. It was so dangerous, it


was seven miles walking. We can't make any sound on the road. Because


the regime army, if they discovered that we are snaking to Jordan, he


will kill us. Do you feel safe in Jordan? Safe,


yes, but comfort, no. There is a different struggle now.


Hand-outs are stressful. Even if everyone is getting enough water


and food, but this camp was set up for 800 people, 8,000 have come


here. Forcing Jordan to re-think its response. Syrians had been


allowed to leave these temporary centres to stay with relatives or


friend. Not any more. Security forces guard all the exits. Jordan


is also shutting other transit camps. Months ago, when dozens


crossed the border daily, this facility could handle the influx.


It looks like the Syrians who lived here had to leave in a hurry. They


probably did. The authorities in Jordan are struggling to keep pace


with the intensity of the Syrian crisis. These were meant to be


temporary transit camp, but they became so overcrowded, the


Jordanians have had to find other places for the Syrians to stay.


This is where they are being moved. A tented city in the desert, about


15 miles from the Syrian border. It is big enough, eventually, to give


refuge, to 100,000 Syrians. The UN raced to put up tents in this first


official camp, mark Agnew phase, and sending a message, -- marking a


new phase, and sending a message. There is a strain on the economy,


it is taking its toll on our education, health, energy and water.


We have had to play the balance, first to shoulder our response


toblgts Syrian brothers, and on -- to our Syrian brothers, and on the


other hand our people. Most of the strain is crossings across from


Syria, on a border like this, exports have all but stop. It is


only brave traders bringing in produce. This small kingdom has


always been battered by its neighbours' crises, Jordan is under


unprecedented pressure, with the king under pressure for reform.


Of this the Deputy Prime Minister under the Iraq crisis a decade ago.


There are two kind of fears, one is a refugee problem that might spill


over to Jordan. We have gone through this before in the first


and second gulf crises. More importantly, also, are the


political reprecussions of the fall of the Syrian regime. Maybe an


emboldenment of the opposition, particularly the Brotherhood, and a


concern in Jordan this might spill over domestically, as far as the


political reform process is concerned. In a region riven with


conflict, threats cross frontiers. Jordan is being extra vigilent, it


has already detained one Syrian group bringing in weapons.


We used to be able to film much closer to the Syrian-Jordanian


border. Now the military is so concerned about the possibility of


violence spilling across this border, they have pushed us back.


Even from here you can see Syria and the military bases just on the


other side. Both sides are opening fire almost every day.


This six-year-old of the first Syrian child to die in the exodus.


Killed by Syrian troops as his family fled. Jordanian soldiers


responded with covering fire. I went to visit his mother, in the


border down of Ramfah. She and her two boys are living with another


Syrian family. They are all too scared to show their faces.


TRANSLATION: There were 31 of us, and we reach the area between the


Jordanian and Syrian borders, when we got there, suddenly we were


fired on, Bilal and I were at the back of the group, suddenly I saw


him on the ground. He fell down after the first shot. The drawings


of children, living in this house, tell terrible stories of violence


they left behind. But Basma, whose family fled months ago, tells me


she won't go and live in the tented city.


TRANSLATION: I will never live there, I will go back to die under


gunfire, rather than living in a tent. It is too dusty there, we


will be breathing dust, not air, this is no life, no life at all.


Even the UN admits no-one would choose to live here. Many refugees


we met in transit centres are refusing to move in. Syrians are


still welcome, but this country realises their visitors could be


here for years. So Jordan now says, Jordan must


come first. Jordan's response there clearly


accepting that this is going to be a long-term problem, and Kofi


Annan's move today suggesting he doesn't have a solution? Indeed.


And if Kofi Annan doesn't have a solution, who does? In his


statement to the Security Council he talked about an intransigent


Syrian Government, a violent opposition increasing, and a


Security Council that was in disarray. Now he has a checkered


and controversial history as a senior UN official, but Kofi Annan


has been known as a very patient, soft-spoken mediator. A man who


could go to every capital, from Washington to Tehran, from Beijing


to Moscow, the doors were open to him. He also brought together a


very good team of people inside and outside the UN system, that he had


had worked for. I spent time with them on the ground in Damascus. Not


only were they trying to work at the top, to achieve what did seem


impossible, to bring the opposition and the Government, the divided


opposition and the Government to the same table. But also they were


working town-by-town, city-by-city, forensically, to try to achieve


local ceasefires, to see if they could bring peace from the bottom


up. When General Mood who left at the head of these observers


recently, who said it was only a matter of time before the Assad


regime would fall. You knew something was about to change with


the Annan team. As he said, to pursue his sacred duty to pursue


peace, it is another to be a midwife to a violent end of a


conflict. Baroness Amos, the UN's spokes


wofpl on humanitarian affairs -- spokeswoman on humanitarian affairs,


told me she wasn't surprised by Kofi Annan's departure, asked was


it an admission that he couldn't get the job done? I'm sure he was


hugely frustrated. Mediation is a very difficult thing to do. We have


seen an international community not united on Syria. This makes it


extraordinarily difficult to get to a point where the kinds of


political things that we need to see, to make sure we have a


ceasefire, and then to have some kind of process, that ends with the


will of the Syrian people, this is a process that is lengthy and you


need a united international community to make it happen. He has


talked about the finger-pointing and the name-calling and the fact


he didn't receive the support the cause deserved, and the fact that


the international community of not united. I mean, that sounds like


defeat? I don't think it is defeat, I think it is an admission that he


has got as far as he can. He was very clear today, that perhaps,


having someone else, might help the process. Sometimes that happens. He


talked about the possibility of someone else being able to unite


those in the region, and unite the broader international community.


Who would that be in your mind? That's not for me to say, as I said,


the Secretary of State general of the United Nations, with the


secretary-general of league of Arab states, will come up with names and


talk to people and come up with the right person to take this on.


you empathise with the he expression today, you visited Syria,


you were not made welcome, where does that leave your next trip?


Actually, I'm talking to -- I'm talking to the Syrian authorities


now about making another trip as soon as possible. My concerns have


always been about the people caught up in this violence. You have


called, very clearly, for a humanitarian corridor, you won't


get that without a resolution from the Security Council? I haven't, in


fact, called for a humanitarian corridor, I have expressed my


concerns that those who are calling for a humanitarian corridor, or a


safe zone, do not appreciate that if you are going to call for that,


you have to be able to make them secure. I think the most important


thing now, given that we have not got a ceasefire, is that we need


some kind of humanitarian pause, for those who are affect the by


this violence, who are not able to get out, who are caught up, perhaps


can't get access to medical supplies, can't get access to food.


We need a humanitarian pause. does that mean? It means a top in


the fighting. Both side agree to stop the fighting for a period of


time, so that, for example, the ICRC, the Syrian Arab Red Crescent


and others can go on. We have seen those calls for ceasefire for the


last two months, call it a pause or a ceasefire, it clearly doesn't


work, we are seeing a country ravaged by civil war now?


doesn't mean that you cannot continue to try to hold all sides


to account. You have Government, you have an opposition, who have to


appreciate and understand that the action that they are taking is


having a serious impact on ordinary men, women and children. The bottom


line is, without the Security Council, what you are saying now is


we can't do it with the Security Council, we have to find ways


without them? First of all, a ceasefire was called for in the


six-point plan, Kofi Annan's six- point plan, it has not happened. In


the absence of a permanent ceasefire, we have to have some


kind of humanitarian pause, because of what is happening to ordinary


people on the ground. And this is now a long-term problem that needs


a long-term solution. How long do you think this will go on for?


has been going on for more than a year. We know that these kinds of


situations, where you have civil conflict, where you have this kind


of internal war, can go on for a very, very long time. What would be


your estimate? I don't have an estimate. The dialogue and


discussion has to continue. We have to continue to try to get a


diplomatic solution. The United Nations was created because we


wanted to put a stop to violence and conflict. We have to continue


to press the diplomatic channels to try to make them work. Thank you


very much. What would it take for the Tories


to win a majority at the next election. Could it be the votes of


black and ethnic minority voters. At the 2010 general election, only


16% voted for the Conservatives, more than two thirds voted Labour.


Conservative Party reverge has suggested these -- research has


suggested these voters are well represented in target seats, but


can they be wonover? We have been trying to find out.


This is Sam, he's an MP, a Conservative MP. This is James,


he's a champion, and he's not a Tory.


Sam thinks James could be a Tory, he just don't know it yet. James


disagrees. This is Hackney, and you are trying


to change me. We brought the Prime Minister's


adviser on ethnic minorities to a boxing ring, no ordinary boxing


ring, it is the one Mr and Mrs Cameron visited during the election,


and pledged fundraising help. They haven't visited since. It might be


a problem. He tricked me. Come on. I'm not


having any of you guys tricking me again. Sam Gyimah turned up here,


and before Newsnight knew it, he was in borrowed kit, it was meant


to be a fact-finding mission, not a punch-up, but Gyimahh was quickly


presented with the problem, for many their vote is an historical


allegiance. Coming to London, the first thing my mum said, is vote


Labour. Now I have a Conservative in front of me. How can we get you


to vote Conservative? In 2010 the Prime Minister and his


wife visited this boxing club. But in that election the Tories didn't


win this seat, in fact, the Labour candidate got four-times the number


of votes. The worry for the Conservatives is that is replicated


in seats across inner cities in the UK. This is a two-fold problem, it


is a problem if the conditions want to win in the general election, it


is also another problem f they want to represent the UK, they need to


learn to win in places like this. So concerned were they, the


Conservative's former Deputy Chairman, Lord Ashcroft, conducted


a 12,000-strong poll. He created broad catagories from the census


We have got to pay down the country's debts and reduce the


deficit. What we are looking to do is find ways of supporting


organisations like this. But it may not come from the Government. As it


has in the past. As I said to you...Gyimah Believes that on


thrift, education standards, family values, a number of things, his


party is the natural party for minorities. The Conservatives just


need to sell their wares better. You said earlier, my mum said


always vote Labour? What I'm saying, his argument is good, his argument


is positive. I like his argument. You know. You are just saying that


because he's here in front of me? like his argument, it is up to him.


He is the one who brings the arguments. Gyimah is swapping notes


with Simon, a British Indian who stood for the Conservatives in this


seat the last election. I used to call it my tale of two cities, the


southern part of the seats is filled with wine bar, it is close


to the city, the northern part of the city is filled with a terrible


degree of deprivation. It will almost certainly become a


Conservative seat within 25-30 years, possibly sooner. I think the


real thing here is connecting with our value. And there are two aspect


of that, Conservatives need to make it very clear to people in places


like this, what our values are. We also need to get people to


recognise that the Conservative Party is not the same old


Conservative Party, in other words, modern Britain has got to identify


what the Conservative Party is, and that had ath has changed.


Up to Birmingham, and a church service to celebrate 50 years of


the Jamaican diaspora. Gyimah meets British Joe Aldery, someone who


devotes himself to further political engagment. Historically


it has been that the British Conservative Party is some what


hostile towards black people. That comes through in their immigration


policies, it comes through in statements made famous by the like


of Enoch Powell. It comes through ...That Is a long time ago? That is


the history. That is where it is coming from, people have long


memories. A lot of our values are similar. I have been looking at


some of the stuff you have been saying around family, parenting,


the sense that you can't really outsource parent to go the state.


Training a child starts at home, if we want to deal with some of the


challenges we have, anti-social behaviour, young people, you know,


and moulding them to be the adults we want them to be, all that starts


in the home. I would have thought that's pretty Conservative in


outlook. You wouldn't necessarily align those values with the modern,


present-day Conservative Party, any more than any other party. Would


you? I certainly wouldn't, I don't think many of the people within a


church like this would. Why not? you look at some of the policies


the Conservative Party is now pursuing, around gay marriage, for


example, which many people within a church like this would see as not


something that is traditionally Tory. Sam, Joe just said he didn't


like Cameron's speech about multiculturalism being dead? That


specific speech was made at the Munich security conference against


a different backdrop. There is a sense that people have to integrate


into this country, and the sense of having lots of different cultures


that don't integrate isn't right. We probably share that view. A lot


of people received that speech about multiculturalism being dead,


as a signal of a return to a monocultural Britain. Where


minorities must buy into mainstream, lose their distinctiveness.


They also didn't like a tweet sent by a Tory MP that the Olympic


Opening Ceremony was multicultural crap. The preacher here calls for a


bail out for Jamaica. Language not far from Gyimah's party, but in a


secular setting. But the barriers remain. Pollsters reveal that one


of the specific reason someone weent vote Conservative, is if they


are not white. This is one of the reasons why the Conservatives can't


form a Government on their own. Lots to discuss there. Sam Gyimah


who advises David Cameron on cultural issues. And Sadiq Khan,


welcome to you both. Sam let's take you back to the boxing ring, you


saw the action of James's glove, he would love to hit a story. That


shows us, I think, the scale of the challenge that you face, doesn't


it? Yes. It is a big challenge. As bishop Aldery says, memories are


long. There are people with deep memories of where the Conservative


Party was circa 197 -- 1970, what we need to recognise is the


Conservative Party today is different to the Conservative Party


of 1970, firstly, so modern Britain needs to recognise that. The


Conservative Party needs to make it very clear what the values are. To


be able to forge a connection with modern Britain. Certainly what is


not the case, which is the assumption of a lot of people, is


that some how it is a white, rural party that cannot connect with


Britain. A lot of our values. We have been celebrating this week the


genius, the creative genius of Danny Boyle. If we look at his life


story, not an immigrant story, but not dissimilar, northern class


family. Some of us have been celebrating Sadiq Khan's Opening


Ceremony, others clearly haven't from your party. What you said,


nobody can disagree with, you evidenced your values by your


policies. If you look at the last two-and-a-half years, your policies,


cutting education maintenance allowance, closing Sure Start,


having policies that discriminate proportionally against women a


disproportionate of black and ethnic minorities work in the


public sector and use its services, the Government has had a


disproportionate affect on them. It is OK going to visit these people,


but evidence your values by your policies. The number of times I


have been in debated with Labour MPs, who proudly say to me, I


represent one of the poorest parts of Britain, which has lots of black


and ethnic minority people in it. I have to say you were in power for


13 years, what happened to those communities when you were in power.


That measure, which is about the kind of policies you are


introducing, disproportionately affecting the voters you are trying


to target? Most ethnic minorities, my parents are immigrant, I have


brought up by a single mother, and they would say to you, one of the


things they want most for their children is to have a better life


than themselves. There is nothing Moraitis important in that context,.


You can make people feel good when there is a lot of money to spend


around. There isn't. Do you accept the Labour Party also has a problem


with complacency, this is something that can be levelled very easily at


you? Yes. What are you doing about that? We mustn't be complacent.


gave you that line, what are you doing? We mustn't take it for


granted that the black and Asian minority vote will come walking to


us. It is walk ago I way from you? If you look at George Galloway and


Bradford West and how surprised your leader was about that by-


election. It was the kick up the back side we needed. We will make


sure our party rep the parties and country. We were in Government for


13 years, what we sought to do was to provide more ladders for people


like Sam's family and mine to prosper. Giving young people good


nursery facilities, Sure Start was very important. Iain Duncan Smith


thought so, you are closing them down. The Education Maintenance


Allowance, keeping people in my constituency, maybe not Sam's, in


further education. What your party did before Tony Blair won in 1997,


was to pose as someone with Conservative values. The moment


they got into power they levelled down rather than up. We have grant-


maintained schools. You don't believe that. If we are looking,


amongst the diverse communities, at a tranche of religious, religious


African, small business owners, who might be Asian. This is very


clearly an area where you ought to be appealing to people in your


traditional Conservative value, yet your liberal value, things like gay


marriage, is a real turn off to a lot of these communities? I think


it shouldn't be. One of the things. But it is? One of the clips that


wasn't shown in the conversation with Bishop Aldery, is all ethnic


minorities have to understand, whatever their religious persuasion,


if we want toll reasons and inclusion, you can't say on the one


hand, tolerate and include you, but don't tolerate people who are not


like us, it cut both ways. It is more important to stick to the


policy sis, even if it means isolating the people you wanton


board? It is about communicating the policies veryle W one of the


policies we don't shout about, our development work. When the


Pakistani floods happened, it was British tax-payers. Don't patronise


the voters. It is not an b aesthetics. It really isn't -- it


is not about as this theics. say our poll -- Aesthetics. You say


our policies are alienating people, this is a policy that is supportive


of the communities. By you replicating Labour's policy on


development is not going to win voters, nor will aesthetics and PR.


You have to look at your policies and your party, and ask why is it


in 2010, after 13 years of Labour failure, ethnic minorities still


reason away from the Conservative Party. I think ethnic minorities


have to do is put a price on the vote and not assume Labour is their


natural home. Whisking you through tomorrow's papers. The financial


, that's all from Newsnight, we will be here tomorrow night, with


all the news fit to broadcast, from you will of as you tonight, good --


all of us tonight, good night. Good evening, mostly daytime


showers are easing to leave a dryer night, a dryer start to Friday,


showers will get going quickly. Some close to southern coastal


counties, and more prolonged showery rain towards the west,


working wards and eastwards through the day. Some heavy and thundery,


better breaks between the showers across part of central and eastern


England, some staying dry. The south-east corner and parts of East


Anglia, most likely to see the showers between the morning and


early afternoon, in the sunshine, temperatures up to 22 degrees.


Expect showers on and off throughout, across the south west


of England, merging to longer spells of rain in Wales. Heavy rain


wherever you are, gusty around the showers. The wettest spell of


weather through Northern Ireland will be through the morning.


Brighter into the afternoon. A cluster of showers around, some of


those again could be on the thundery side, and the wetter side


will be spreading into Scotland. The re- of Scotland, brightening up


a touch, a reasonable day, just a few showers to speak of. From


Friday into Saturday, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and northern


England, the showers will be back and they will be a bit more


plentiful supply, as there will be across many parts of England and


Wales. Low pressure will take dominance across the UK this


weekend, expect showers just about wherever you are, initially across


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