13/08/2012 Newsnight


13/08/2012

The Olympics - what is their legacy for our economy, for our national identity and for the people of Stratford? With Gavin Esler.


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President Mohammed Morsi, President Morsi Tonight: That's it. The

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party's over, or is it? Will the Olympic Games live up to some of

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To my fellow countrymen, thank youings thank you for making all

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this possible. Are we more likely to volunteer in the future, will we

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be better at sport. Will did make us continue to feel better about

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Britain. Jeremy Hunt will give us his view. What will be the legacy

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of regenerateing the less well off communities in London? Legacy don't

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pay the mortgage or the bills. It is all nice, if you don't come from

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Stratford, or if you're not around here. Does this great British

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success story, change what it means to be British? We'll ask the

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politicians, those who made the Olympics happen, and those who

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simply watched. Plus, the reverse, of a military

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coup in Egypt, as the President sacks top soldiers and now the

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Good evening, the greatest Games ever, two weeks when Britain

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surprised the world and itself. Surpassing all expectations. In the

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sea of superlatives the athletes have begun to make their way home.

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Before the glow fades, we want to reflect what will last, will it

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help the poorer communities L Team GB mean more than a sporting team?

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Will we think differently about our country. We begin with this report

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from Stephen Smith. # You and me will light up the sky

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# If you stay by my side # We can rule the world #

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. It was billed as the world's greatest after party which was

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inkeeping with the rising note of hyperbole as the Games went on.

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Some would feel, sunk by millions of us, didn't fall far short of

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that billing. So now the medals have been handed out and we can

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stop worrying what a repechage was, how did London 2012 stack up in a

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sports event n the space of 16 days, 44 new world records from set, and

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117 Olympic records. Team GB returned a haul of 65 medals in

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different sports. The research can be published tomorrow, will show a

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third of our medallists went to It is going to be a glorious,

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glorious win, Mo Farah for Great Britain, it is gold. Medal-

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clinching performances under pressure, and before the eyes of

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the world, have secured the reputations of an elite group of

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athletes. But it was by no means a cake walk for the politicians. The

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Mayor of London didn't manage to parachute into the Games as

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elegantly of the Queen. But the success of the Olympics and his

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popular touch, mean he's more political capital than most of the

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Cabinet, as he shriel reminded him when reviewing the transport

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performance. And, amongst the people who decided to get out of

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their cars, and get out of the limos and use our wonderful

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transport system, I might mention top athletes as Bryant and wouldn't

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be it be wonderful if the whole of the Cabinet travelled by public

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transport rather than the limos. looked different, three short weeks

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ago. The Army were called in to run security checks after private

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contractors, G4S were forced to admit to a humiliating shambles.

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Today it announced it was giving �2.5 million to the troops as a

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goodwill gesture. # We just want to do the world

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dance social security # Forget about the price tag #

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. Price tag the precise cost to you and I is as hard to get on, as a

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pair of judo PJs, but it was �2.4 billion, and that became more than

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�9 billion in 007, the Prime Minister has said we'll get it all

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back, and more. I'm confident we can derive over �13 billion of

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benefit to the UK economy ofrt next four years as a result of hosting

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these Games. I'm certain when you add in the benefits from

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construction, the total gain will be even greater.

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But what about the fears of undually corporate Games. There

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were complaints over the choice of sponsors and wildernesss of empty

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seats in the early stages. But the number of spectators at the events,

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toped 7.7 million. The people's champions of the Games were the

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volunteers. 70,000 folk who gave up their time to give a helping hand

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and friendly word to proceedings. The wreathed in smiles the

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charismatic Olympics boss, paid them this tribute. We will never

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forget the smiles, the kindness and the support of the wonderful

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volunteers, the much needed heroes of these Games. The Olympics gave

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the world of a view of Britain that might have surprised people, from

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the Opening Ceremony to the diversity of the laureled heroes

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and heroines, it is fair to say the confidence and success on show,

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caught a few of us unawares too. Well just before coming on air, I

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spoke to the Culture Secretary, hupt Hunt. Some people called this

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the best Games ever. Do you think they're right? Well, we are only

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half way through. As someone who has been staying up late at night

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trying to make sure we do everything properly, I'm nervous

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about making those claims. But we have surprised ourselves and the

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world, in the last couple of weeks. I think we have shown the world

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that we are comfortable as a country, with our contemporary

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present, and not just with our glorious past. I think we've shown

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the world we're not a nation of gracious losers and enjoy winning

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as well and that's surprised ourselves, and perhaps, most of all,

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we have welcomeed the world as I think we all knew we would, but

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done it with a huge smile. rightly say we're half way through,

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in the way we have Paralympic Games coming up. If the good stuff is

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true, when did Britain stop being broke snn I don't think F you think

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about the rights we had a year ago, that was a side to modern Britain,

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unfortunately we do have social breakdown and deprived parts of our

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country. What we've seen in the last two weeks is another side to

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Britain. What we've taken away from what's happened in the last two

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weeks, is let's think about how we can bring out the best in our

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country. Are we still broken in some ways, or were we never broken,

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but pockets of problems where they are in ever I country and the

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broken rhetoric in the election, and the rights weren't true?

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would be wrong, after the most amazing two weeks after, ever, to

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pretend we don't have huge social problems to deal with. What I think

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the last two weeks does, is it gives us a way through, and I hope

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that the lessons of the last two weeks will go well beyond sport.

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We've shown what we can do if everyone pulls together and if we

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decide as a country, we want to think big and do something amazing.

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If you think of the intractable social problems, it is when people

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stopped, and steped back and said look let's really think about how

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to tackle this. How do you do it in schools. There are those who say it

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is wrong to scrap the target for children to do PE times. They

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should have targets and have something to work towards, and

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that's Government's role? If the problems are about money and

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targets, the last Government would be the most successful Government

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in history. They threw money, let's take another example, they through

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money into literacy and numeracy and the standards didn't go up. And

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what I think we've learnt from that, and remember, that we came into

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office, in a country where 60% of schoolchildren did no regular

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competitive sport at all. The Prime Minister also said we need to end

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the almost surprise in culture in schools? If we're going to change,

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and not have a country where two- thirds of the children aren't doing

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competitive sport. Are there schools actually where all must

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have prizes, where are the schools do, you know them? We've had had a

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problem with attitudes towards competitive sport. Do you know

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specifically, this is a very generalised charge, do you know any

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specific schools, where we have an all, must have prizes culture?

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has been a problem throughout. you know any schools? You're not

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letting the answer. With the greatest respect. Let me tell you.

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One school, name me one school and we'll move on. Do you know one

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school... It sounds to me, with the greatest respect, you are not

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listening, 60% did no regular competitive sport. All must have

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prizes culture in a specific school, one in your constituency The fact a

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school is not offering competitive sport is an indication they don't

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believe the importance in competitive sport f we're going to

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tackle this, we have to change values and change ethos, and the

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heart of those reforms is that's thousand we do, empower heads to

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create the ethos. The press release was a package worth �13 billion,

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where does this figure come from? We have done analysis of the

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potential contracts we could win for the British economy on the

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basis of the success of the Olympics. We completed the biggest

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construction project in Europe, on time and to budget. And that was, a

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British construction industry that had not always had the best of

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reputations for doing things. Indeed. And we've changed that.

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have �1 billion to look forward to? One is the tourism, on the basis of

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the global profile we've had as a country, we put in place a tourist

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strategy, we think we'll get 4.5 million additional touristness the

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years that follow the Olympics. report by Oxford economics

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commissioned by Lloyds Banking group and they say 70% is generated

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prior to and during the Games, so the legacy is 5 billion, but not 13

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billion. That figure came by investment by UK trade and

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investment, it wasn't the Lloyds Bank report, that was talking about

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a �16 billion. Johnson said that was the figure came from today.

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figure, it is important to say, we've calculated a figure, this

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week we've announced big deals already, for example, the

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commitment to building trains, the development of Battersea power

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station, but the contracts have to be won. It is not something.

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billion is not certain? We have to go out there and win, as a

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Government we want to play our part but it is British businesses that

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have to go out there, we will bang the drum for what we have to

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achieve. People watching, think the Olympic Games is proof a big

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Government effort and spending public money is good for Britain

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because it creates jobs and more money in the future, even though we

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might dispuet the figure? That's trying to be a little bit

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ideological about the success of the last two weeks. Government

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definitely has a role, and I am a big believer in Government being

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big and audacious and ambitious. And �1 billion. We are announcing a

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high investment in high speed rail, despite the difficult circumstances

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because we recognise there's a role for public investment. As also it

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is a week we understand the importance of values in our society.

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And a week where we understand when Government and citizens work

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together with a big shared purpose. That's the magic we want to put in

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a bolt and keep and spread around as long as possible. Thank you very

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much. Now the key location for the Games, Stratford in East London was

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chosen in part because a lot of money might help regenerate one of

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the poorest areas in this country. Borough of Newham played host to

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one of the finest events we can remember, and being associated for

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being the centre of the world for two weeks. But what has it gained?

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Olympics is not about us. It is about the sponsors, the big multi-

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corporate companies. Last few weeks I have been working in the athletes

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village nrk the catering department, and aif he been practice Bol as as

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well. We're saying there should be no development at our expense, the

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way the council doing is doing it, they want to displace us. Newham is

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home to one of the diverse populationness UK and one of the

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least well off. Local people told us despite all the money puched

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into staging the Games, they fear only a small amount will trickle to

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people like themselves. Thank you very much. I was born and bred here.

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I worked in this market for the last 30 years. Raising the

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aspirations, raising the hopes, especially to the local community,

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if anything, it left a little bit of a sad taste, to be honest. For

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seven years we've been looking forward to the Olympics, local, I

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don't know anyone who has a ticket or gone there. Legacy don't pay the

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mortgage or the bills, legacy don't, but listen we don't get regenerated,

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it is nice if you're not from Stratford or not from here. It is

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nice if you're in he had brued. You want to work two miles from where

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the stadium has been, it is not nice. There are those who fear

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regeneration will merely mean gent at the case, leading to the

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displacement of people. The London point with the outstanding views,

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hosted a number of broadcasters, but residents of the carpenters he

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is skate where it is locateed are battling the council to plans to

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demolish their homes to make way for a new development. There's a

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real strong community, and hub of activity here, they don't tend to

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talk about those things. The standard press release from the

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council is it is an area in decline, that's not true. There's buoyant

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businesses here. There's a lively residents, community here. So, why

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destroy that. They think the community is something they will

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create. One of the things they've said is we need to raise the

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aspiration of residents. They're not our parents, they don't need to

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raise my aspiration, I have been to university. There are professionals

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here and other types of people working. It is patronising to say

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raise the residents, without understanding the residents you're

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talking about. There are also plenty who are hopeful the positive

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glow will continue. A recent nationwide guardian ICM poll show

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support is strongest amonk the under 5s. When the bid for the

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Olympics was announced I was at home, I was in primary school, so

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it was about, I was about 11 years old. My mum said to me, great,

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London won. I was young and didn't understand much, I knew it was

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going to be a young celebration. My mum said "you might be working

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there" I thought me, never. She said that, and actually it came

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true, surprisingly enough. I think things will change for the better.

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Me being a younger person, this was my first paid jobs, working for the

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Olympics, although the work was volunteering. Knowing a big company

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and meeting people from a big company, hopefully will open doors.

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My biggest hope for the future, would be, for there to be more jobs

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out there. I graduate, the first thing would be to be employed, and

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that's my biggest hope. One local group the manor garden allotment

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society was forced off the Olympic site when it was redeveloped but

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has been promised a home in the new park.

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We sincerely believe that this community, going into the park, as

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stakeholder and local community is great for the park, we will be the

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first people back in there. We will be the first key to the authorities

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understanding how genuinely, local people, are going to resettle back

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in the environment that will become whatever it is in 20 years' time

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when they're finished doing the building work. I hope it is part of

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a park, that does grow in organic way, and does become somewhere

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where families like to be, and are comfortable and secure. There are

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good examples of post-Olympic legacies in different places, where

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there's failure and those areas have become no-go zones and

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difficult places force people to manage. And that would be a

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dreadful waste of fantastic part of this city. Because, you know the

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East End of London is the best bit of London. Well Sir Robin Wales is

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the Mayor of Newham and board member of the London legacy

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development co-operation. Osita Madu is a Stratford resident and

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Matt Johnson is front man of the band, The The with a long time

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family history in Stratford. What do local people get out of this?

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There must be some good things? good things is there's great

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infrastructure in Stratford in terms of the transport and shopping

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facilities. That's a given, that's why residents want to remain in the

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area. There's a strong community within Stratford, many people lived

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there 60 years or more. The carpenter estate, many people say

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they're home owners, some are retired, there's young

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professionals and need to keep the community together. That's what we

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want. You think that's a risk? we the regeneration planned.

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have to persuade people it will be good for them, because they've been

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putting up with activity there. Why isn't the message this will be good

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because you think it will be good? If you take the carpenters, for

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than half residents have moved to their opportunities. The promise of

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the Games, was that the East End would be transformed. There was a

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sporlts promise, as well, where there's doubts about. We have been

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preparing for this for five, six years, for example, we set up Work

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Place to help people in work. The problem in London is that there's

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international competition for jobs. Just because you make jobs happen

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doesn't mean people get them. When people send out CVs,% get work.

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Result we got 5,000 people in work. Why would the Games make a

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stkphirches They've create eted the bill, the council has been working

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on infrastructure for 25 years, they've improved it, and created

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and opened up the land so the jobs will come. In the piece, you were

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talking about economics, 100,000 jobs, vast amount of opportunities,

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but we must get the residents in jobs, we don't want people sweeping

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into it. We put 5,000 residents in local work this year, and that's

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excluding temporary gains jobs. community will stand still, you'll

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change. But, do you see this as a big opportunity, that it will

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change for the better for local folk? I don't think you can

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underestimate the impact that the swift demolition of well known

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streets scapes, buildings, people's homes has on the human psyche. And

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there's a tendency, that when the stuff happens too fast, you break

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the links with the past, with generations. I left there, my

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family had a pub, the skat two Puddings from '6, to 2000, I have

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family living in the area. There was huge amount of change in the

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06s, and early 70s, many beloved buildings were demolished. There

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was a sense of de local election, I was upset looking for my old school

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this. Is a wonderful opportunity. What happened in the 70s, had a

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negative effect. That is a problem, because everybody remembers

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communities up and down the countries that were destroyed in

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different ways, that would be a problem now if you force it We're

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here to do the best we can for the local community. There's a massive

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opportunity, people will come in, but the people in Newham that we'll

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make a difference to. If the East End of London is to get the same

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average levels as London itself, we need to get 0,000 people in Newham,

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long-term unemployed, into work. That's the challenge, the challenge

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is to the people, then they need housing, interesting thing is the

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Olympic Park there's a hundred houses demolished, I will have 320

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family homes, so there are new opportunities, but it must benefit

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the local residents. If house price GCSE up, proconsumeably local

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people would benefit? That's the theory. The practicality of it is

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that that won't happen. The thing that will happen is there's a

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shortage of family homes. The capital estate have lots avail

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available. The proposal is to sell it to a developer. Do you see, as a

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wider point, do you see in any community are people live, we're

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reluctant to change. The change has to come. It's a case of managing it

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We're in favour of regeneration, but it must be done the right way.

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What is happening in terms of Newham's policy is to displace the

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residents that live there, and have something in place of that. What do

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you hope will last from this? We have been talking about the party's

0:23:540:23:59

over and it will go on through the Paralympics too. And that will be

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fun. What do you think might last, that would be good and people will

0:24:030:24:09

hold on to? Involving the local community. Organic, change, and it

0:24:090:24:14

has been a fantastic event. Many people were cynical about it. It

0:24:140:24:22

has been a triech. Now it is the time to involve the local community.

0:24:220:24:26

Local residents associations, small businesses rather than large chain,

0:24:260:24:30

and the organisations you set up, working with the council, because

0:24:300:24:36

there's a perception, for many local residents that councils, not

0:24:360:24:40

just in thu ham, Tower Hamlets as well, and Hackney, there's a

0:24:400:24:44

perception, that they're more interested in working with property

0:24:440:24:49

developers and big business. I will be clear, honestly, we do surveyors

0:24:490:24:53

and check, and people are pleased with what we're doing, we're not

0:24:530:24:57

bringing developers, but working with UCL one of the greatest

0:24:570:25:01

universities of the world. We want to bring that level of ability and

0:25:010:25:06

our kids can benefit from. You have to plan. You saw the kid, a young

0:25:060:25:10

woman who saw the owe limb pirkss it is that person, bringing that

0:25:100:25:15

standard and quality in. What you build the homes and properties. I

0:25:160:25:22

say, 320 social houses affordable in the Olympic Village, fantastic

0:25:220:25:26

opportunities, we need to make sure, it comes to jobs. Without jobs the

0:25:260:25:31

20,000 people who need to get in work will not get them. We have to

0:25:310:25:36

support them into it. My great worry is the Government will work

0:25:360:25:41

away from Legacy, it is a 20 year job, the Olympics won't solve it.

0:25:410:25:44

It gives aus start of process, but it is a 20 year job.

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Thank you all very much. None of us can remember an Olympics during

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which we've heard the British National Anthem so often. But when

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you saw a Scotsman, Andy Murray, or a man born in Somalia, Mo Farah

0:26:030:26:07

saying THIS is MY country, did it change anything. Did the success of

0:26:070:26:11

the athletes or organisation, or sense that British could have fun,

0:26:110:26:16

make an enduring difference to the idea, sometimes a vague one, of

0:26:160:26:19

what Britishness is about. Carlo Ann Duffy wrote a poem which

0:26:190:26:29
0:26:290:26:34

suggests we have changed. Here she Translateing the British, 2012

0:26:340:26:38

A summer of rain, then a gap in the clouds

0:26:380:26:45

And the Queen jumped from the sky to the cheering crowds

0:26:450:26:52

Income we speak Shakespeare here 100 tongues, one voice

0:26:520:26:57

The aisle is full of noises COMMENTATOR: Mo Farah for Great

0:26:570:27:03

Britain. We have Mo Farah lifting the 10,000 metres gold. We want new

0:27:030:27:13

running tracks in his name. For enenenthe same, the Brownlee

0:27:130:27:23
0:27:230:27:24

brothers, Whitbread Tweddle. For every medal earned, we want school

0:27:240:27:34
0:27:340:27:38

playing fields returned We saw what we did.

0:27:380:27:41

Meck we can Nicola add dams and Jade Jones

0:27:410:27:51
0:27:510:28:01

# Bring on the fighting kids. We are on our marks

0:28:020:28:09

We are all in this together. Carlo Ann Duffy with a little help

0:28:090:28:14

from some friends. Akram Khan choreographed some of the Opening

0:28:140:28:19

Ceremony. Anna Minton, Julien Temple

0:28:190:28:23

documentary, London the modern banel lone.

0:28:230:28:31

Toby Young is a journalist, and Tessa Jowell is deputy Mayor of The

0:28:310:28:37

Olympics duties. My duties came to an end. Have the Olympics changed

0:28:370:28:42

us? Changed us? Well, I think it is too early to judge. And I think

0:28:420:28:47

many of the questions that you've asked in the programme this evening

0:28:470:28:51

will take some time to answer. I think that what's happened over the

0:28:510:28:56

last, really, since the torch arrived in the middle of May, is

0:28:560:29:03

that millions of people have had an opportunity to be part and take

0:29:030:29:07

part in a great national moment. As people have said to me, time and

0:29:070:29:11

time again, to feel that they mattered. And that has come as a

0:29:110:29:17

surprise to many people. Now, I think that second, lots of people

0:29:170:29:23

would like that sense of their purpose, and their involvement to

0:29:240:29:30

continue. The question is how? And I think the how will be much more

0:29:300:29:38

than it has to be more than rhetorical. It has to be by a

0:29:380:29:43

redefined relationship between politicians and the wider public.

0:29:430:29:50

And giving as in a way its own way the torch relay did, more power to

0:29:500:29:54

local communities. But also, the explore in detail, but one thing

0:29:540:29:58

was politicians broadly agreed it was a good thing, and that doesn't

0:29:580:30:04

happen. Right from the start, and I firmly believe that if you

0:30:040:30:08

undertake a national project like this, which extends in this case,

0:30:080:30:14

in my involvement for ten years, the Olympiad lasts for seven years,

0:30:140:30:19

the only way to do it is to create cross-party agreement for the role

0:30:190:30:24

of politicians to be defined and then for politicians to stand back

0:30:240:30:30

and allow the wider public, and all the other agencies that have

0:30:300:30:35

contributed so richly and well to play their part. I'm struck, that

0:30:350:30:40

the voice, who wrote the script for the Opening Ceremony, it showed we

0:30:400:30:46

were a better nation than we thought thrrm. Do you think people

0:30:460:30:50

were surprise surprised. Opening Ceremony was filled with

0:30:500:30:56

unexpected moments. It took me by surprise, from the very beginning.

0:30:560:31:00

You could see it deported r departed from the official

0:31:000:31:05

narratives that were expected from this sort of thing. Prime ministers

0:31:050:31:08

since John Major have been struggling to find the definition

0:31:080:31:13

of Britishness, and they failed miserablely. And the opg ceremony

0:31:130:31:17

opened that window, and that's what really gave the Games such a big

0:31:170:31:22

lift. I was such a critic, actually, and remain a critic of the economic

0:31:220:31:28

model behind the Olympics. But the Opening Ceremony was... Recount the

0:31:280:31:38

money. I wouldn't like to put it in those terms. When I saw the flag

0:31:380:31:44

being carried, it was the Britishness never defined in my

0:31:440:31:47

lifetime. A Russian friend said you could poke fun at yourself. The

0:31:480:31:51

China yees couldn't do it, and Russians couldn't do when they have

0:31:520:31:58

the World Cup. He thought that was Gwent essentially Britishness?

0:31:580:32:01

self-prep recase came through in the Opening Ceremony and throughout

0:32:010:32:05

the Olympics with the reaction of some of our Olympics to not winning,

0:32:050:32:12

but we won a lot as well. For me, the real impression left by the

0:32:120:32:17

Olympics was a resurgence sense of identity and Conservatives with a

0:32:170:32:22

small C for whom preserveing the union and clawing some of the

0:32:220:32:27

Sovereign powers back from the EU are the biggest priorities. The

0:32:270:32:32

worry was multi-culturalism trumps any sense of national identity, the

0:32:320:32:38

identity trump a sense of belonging. Two different things? The lesson of

0:32:380:32:44

the Olympics is we may be multi- ethic society now, but we're not

0:32:440:32:48

wholly multi-cultural, in terms Britishness truchs other sources of

0:32:480:32:53

identity. And we saw that when Mo Farah was asked by a journalist,

0:32:530:32:59

whether he would have preferred to run for Somalia, he said absolutely

0:32:590:33:04

not, I am British and when I put on the British shirt I was proud.

0:33:040:33:07

was a clearly a big theme, you looked at people who represent

0:33:070:33:12

Britain and they look like the people we are, which is different

0:33:120:33:16

races and cultures and religions? It is a celebration what we've

0:33:160:33:19

become. We've done that, by allowing people from all over the

0:33:190:33:24

world to come here and be part of Britain but retain, really strong

0:33:240:33:28

cultures they bring to London, particularly the film I just made

0:33:290:33:35

is about London, and change, and improve the city by the diversity

0:33:350:33:39

of experience, and creativity they bring to a place. Upbl like America,

0:33:390:33:43

where I think you are told to forget you're Mexican if you're

0:33:430:33:50

living in America, here, we encourage, that kind of multi-

0:33:500:33:55

culttureism. Do you think it is either or, it is not you're either

0:33:550:34:00

British or something else? Pioneering city that gets beyond

0:34:000:34:07

the old ideas of nationality and creates a dynamic 21st century to

0:34:070:34:13

live. Is that played outside London, you were talking about his film, is

0:34:130:34:16

that true of the rest of the country? I don't know. It is

0:34:160:34:22

difficult to say. For me, all I can add is the same thing, it was

0:34:220:34:25

extremely, there's been as positive reaction from the people. Ever are

0:34:250:34:30

I time I was in the stadium or park, I saw so many different kinds of

0:34:300:34:33

people, that were positive. There was wonderful, there was a sense of

0:34:330:34:40

hope. And not just a sense of hope, but sense of a pride and also, a

0:34:400:34:45

kind of confidence that I've never felt bf. You personally have never

0:34:450:34:51

felt before? I was brorn and brought up here, and I never felt

0:34:510:34:55

such an amount of self-confidence. We need that and that's really

0:34:550:34:59

strong and important for us. There was a lot of that. But if you go

0:34:590:35:04

back to the bid and the way we presented the bid in Singapore, it

0:35:040:35:12

relied heavily on confounding this view, that so many people, in other

0:35:120:35:18

countries other than Britain that we are a nation of Beefeaters that

0:35:180:35:23

spend the weekend in Stonehenge. London is a great diverse and open

0:35:230:35:28

city, that was why we took 20 young people from East London as the face

0:35:280:35:32

of London. They spoke, 2 different languages, 20 different

0:35:320:35:39

nationalities. But I think, before - it is important not to draw

0:35:390:35:43

conclusions about this, too quickly. If you like, allow the public

0:35:430:35:47

debate that's going on, and public reflection, to influence how this

0:35:470:35:52

settles in the medium term. Because around the country, the torch relay,

0:35:520:35:56

interpreted that moment of the torch arriving in a multitude of

0:35:560:36:01

ditch ways. And that varied. From the West Country, to the north of

0:36:010:36:06

Scotland, to the Highlands, and it is important therefore to realise a

0:36:060:36:10

whole lot of identities were captured in this one event.

0:36:100:36:15

remember when the French won the World Cup and there was a multi-

0:36:150:36:19

cultural and multi-racial team and they said it is good for France it

0:36:190:36:25

will bring us together. A year ago there was rights, so it may not

0:36:250:36:30

mean all that much in the long- term? It is hard to say. But, I

0:36:300:36:36

can't imagine that Alex Salmond took comfort from the image of the

0:36:360:36:39

Scottish gold medal winners, wrapping themselves up in the Union

0:36:390:36:44

Jack, that could be a poster for both the labour and the

0:36:440:36:51

Conservative campaign to preserve the union. And Sir Chris Hoy, which

0:36:510:37:00

Alex Salmond tried to claim, Scalolmpian which he claimed to be

0:37:000:37:07

his. Do you think it is Team GB? Well I think, back to your previous

0:37:070:37:09

point about whether or not we'll benefit in the long-term. A year

0:37:090:37:14

later, in France, there were rights. This has been a two week party for

0:37:140:37:18

Britain. But you know the economic realities of where we're at today,

0:37:180:37:24

are far more significant, in terms of the social cohesion, we find

0:37:240:37:30

ourselves a year from now. I mean, my big concern with this, is what

0:37:300:37:35

this legacy will be about. These Games cost us an enormous amount of

0:37:350:37:40

money, far more money than they should have cost us, because we

0:37:410:37:44

pursued the broken economic model based on huge amount of debts and

0:37:440:37:48

inflated property prices. The question is we've paid �10 billion,

0:37:480:37:53

that's a Conservative estimate for this park. Is it going to be our

0:37:530:37:58

park? Or is it in fact solid off to one private company after another?

0:37:580:38:04

Into is it, what's going to happen, is it our park, will we feel

0:38:040:38:08

ownership of the park? Anybody who has any view on this is determined

0:38:080:38:13

it will. And what is interesting, if you go around the park, they're

0:38:130:38:18

closed at the moment, because of the security issues, in relation to

0:38:180:38:23

staging the Games, but the connections, to the surrounding

0:38:230:38:27

boroughs, have been an important and specific action to prevent the

0:38:270:38:31

park becoming a done nut. But there is one other point, which is I

0:38:310:38:38

think that volunteers, 70,000 volunteers are probably the most

0:38:380:38:44

powerful catalyst in this. There are, already, ats of how many more

0:38:440:38:50

people want to volunteer. A big focus next weekend on a join in

0:38:500:38:54

campaign so people go to their local sports clubs, supported by

0:38:540:38:58

owe limb peance, and are able to take up the opportunities to try

0:38:580:39:04

sport. So this is now change will happen. The volunteers question is

0:39:040:39:08

interesting, because knowing London as well as you do, people were

0:39:080:39:14

coming up to volunteers, talking to strangers on the Tubes, and saying

0:39:140:39:19

"what are you doing today" that's change, which you don't find in

0:39:190:39:23

London on the Tube. They played a huge part beyond their job?

0:39:230:39:29

response to it, everyone's had to the Games, is largely because of

0:39:290:39:32

that welcomeing spirit they brought. It is a question of volunteering

0:39:320:39:37

being the answer. What we need in this economic situation is jobs for

0:39:370:39:42

young people. We can't expect them to endlessly volunteer and be

0:39:420:39:49

interns and do unpaid work. There is a danger of Olympic amnesia,

0:39:490:39:54

there's a media feeding frenzy in this euphoria of the moment which

0:39:540:39:58

is well deserved, but, we are back to reality now, the Closing

0:39:580:40:04

Ceremony was an indication of that. It is like a bad night at the Brits,

0:40:040:40:10

compared to the opening one, and we mustn't lose there were rights in

0:40:100:40:14

London a year ago because of the tensions underlying the city.

0:40:140:40:19

that is one thing to volunteer for once in a lifetime chance to serve

0:40:190:40:24

the country in the Olympics and another thing to put the work in a

0:40:240:40:29

local sports club, or other things, it might not carry over? What is

0:40:300:40:34

the question. The volunteers, the question of volunteers, is a one-

0:40:340:40:37

off for the Olympics, because that's full of glamour, because

0:40:370:40:42

that's what people want to do it, but not other things? For me, I was

0:40:420:40:46

amazed by the volunteers, for the amount of work they did. But, for

0:40:460:40:53

me, what's important is the legacy, this idea of the legacy, to create

0:40:530:40:57

self-confidence, is a huge challenge. The fact we have self-

0:40:570:41:01

confidence, if you ask me, am I cynical about the legacy, I would

0:41:010:41:04

say no, I don't want to be cynical. You have to put in a lot of work

0:41:040:41:09

for the legacy to work. It is not just, there is a sense there's a

0:41:090:41:14

danger that, OK, the legacy, we're excited, and ueforism, and

0:41:140:41:18

everything will drop down. But we have to put in as much work as we

0:41:180:41:22

did, in creating the Olympics, during the whole two weeks, immense

0:41:220:41:27

amount of efficient. Do you think, it shoots also the idea that

0:41:270:41:31

British can't do big projects. There's a staple of the whinge

0:41:310:41:36

about ourselves for years, we don't do the big stuff the French do

0:41:360:41:41

that? I visited the park last Wednesday and was so impressed by

0:41:410:41:46

how smoothly it was running and how everyone was getting along and all

0:41:460:41:50

the different bits were measuring together and we went on the javelin,

0:41:510:41:57

this train, that took nine minutes and it felt the narrative of

0:41:570:42:02

national decline, that we couldn't do anything right was at odds of

0:42:020:42:08

what I was witnessing. Did it go on time and on budget? Not depending

0:42:080:42:12

on whiching butt you take, take the Budget I announced in the House of

0:42:120:42:19

Commons in March 2007, �89.3 billion, it is still the Budget and

0:42:190:42:24

the Budget has come in half a billion below that figure. Thank

0:42:240:42:29

you. Now, back to a bit of business, as usual. And the new

0:42:290:42:32

democratically elected President of Egypt, President Mohammed Morsi has

0:42:320:42:37

fired two top soldiers and the Defence Minister. Will this shakeup,

0:42:370:42:41

comes after an attack which is Islamic extremists on border guards

0:42:410:42:45

last week. It prompted new demonstrationness the Tahrir Square

0:42:450:42:49

by President Mohammed Morsi supporters. Our Diplomatic Editor

0:42:490:42:52

is here. Has President Morsi won this battle do you think? Look, it

0:42:520:42:56

is going on between the military and the Muslim Brotherhood for 60

0:42:560:43:01

years, it has been through many stages. What we can say is this an

0:43:010:43:05

important step in restoring the country's progress, towards

0:43:050:43:08

parliamentary democracy and civilian rule, in a place where

0:43:080:43:12

clearly the military have had an enormous amount of influence and

0:43:120:43:15

felt it was their right to run things for many years. Looking at

0:43:150:43:20

the recent past, back in June, things seemed to be comeing to a

0:43:200:43:24

head before the second round of voting in the presidential

0:43:240:43:27

elections, you had this extraordinary decision by the

0:43:270:43:29

constitutional court, anuling parliamentary elections which

0:43:290:43:35

brought in a big majority of Muslim Brotherhood and more militant MPs

0:43:350:43:40

from the movement. You had the voting on the 16th of June, it

0:43:410:43:44

started, two days, that of course was the nation's chance to choose

0:43:440:43:49

what they wanted, and they chose President Morsi, the man from the

0:43:490:43:57

brotherhood. Before the results came in, a whole raft of steps from

0:43:570:44:01

SCAFings the junta who had been running the country, limiting the

0:44:010:44:07

powers of this new President. So, it was pretty clear there was going

0:44:070:44:13

to be a showdown. And when President Morsi met the leadership,

0:44:130:44:18

you could see the former members of SCAF, who were about to hand over

0:44:180:44:24

to him, looking glum-faced around the table. Since then most have

0:44:240:44:26

done, Field Marshal Tantawi, Sami Annan the head of the air force,

0:44:270:44:31

the head of the Navy, shouldn'ted off to a job. Two people elevated,

0:44:310:44:36

the head of military intelligence is now a Defence Minister, and

0:44:360:44:39

another again, chief-of-staff. capacity do they have the

0:44:390:44:44

exgenerals to fight back, or to move things along their way?

0:44:440:44:49

know, last night the crowds were in Tahrir Square called by the

0:44:490:44:52

President to show solidarity, they were delighted what they'd done.

0:44:520:44:55

The capacity of the generals, like Field Marshal Tantawi, who was

0:44:550:45:02

heading for his 80s, well known for dyeing his hair and regarded as Lee

0:45:020:45:09

that are JIC figure, minimal. The question is what will be the

0:45:090:45:12

institution to fight back. They have a huge amount of power in the

0:45:120:45:17

economy, and throughout society in Egypt and the new generals, who

0:45:170:45:21

were now running things are steeped in the ways of the military cast.

0:45:210:45:25

Thank you very much. Before we go, a quick look at the tomorrow's

0:45:250:45:30

front pages. The Times has big race front pages. The Times has big race

0:45:300:45:36

for tickets. And the new number two is satisfy vaidges,ness N he didn't

0:45:360:45:45

like the Closing Ceremony. 2012, things to remember the Olympics by.

0:45:450:45:52

The Daily Mail says it is never too late to exercise. And the financial

0:45:520:45:57

Times says e-mails tell fierce over payment, over a EU Saudi story,

0:45:570:46:03

which you will have to read for yourselves. No doubt we'll be back

0:46:030:46:13
0:46:130:46:37

to a Games-tree diet tomorrow night. Now the weather, coming in the

0:46:380:46:41

direction, will be wet and windy at times. There will be sunshine on

0:46:410:46:46

Tuesday. A humid day, hazy sunshine but steamy and showers will develop.

0:46:460:46:51

They will be heavy if you catch one, they will be scattered all over the

0:46:510:46:55

UK. It will be difficult to nail down the detail, but if you expect

0:46:550:47:00

one or two, you shouldn't be surprised. Thunder by the afternoon.

0:47:000:47:06

Temperatures, easily getting up into the low to mid-0s, hopefully,

0:47:060:47:10

parts to the south-west Wales, might not do too badly, avaieding

0:47:100:47:14

the showers. But elsewhere, there will be heavy ones. And indeed for

0:47:140:47:19

Northern Ireland, where we had lively thunderstorms today, we

0:47:190:47:23

could see some heavy showers developing again. Winds not too

0:47:230:47:28

strong. For Scotland, some brightness away from the far north-

0:47:280:47:33

east, may stay tkphroomy and damp. On Wednesday, it turns wet and

0:47:330:47:39

windy, across most northern areas, eventually. Rain will be first to

0:47:390:47:47

arrive further south, particularly out west. Let me show you the chart.

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