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The government says problem drug users cost this country over �15bn | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
a year. Should we, could we, do more to break their addiction - or | :00:14. | :00:23. | |
is the compulsion just too strong? This is a thing where I know it is | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
a disease. Whenever I see it doesn't matter, I sat there in the | :00:26. | :00:32. | |
Hackney, and now I'm in The Savoy, I'm jealous of then. The recovering | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
drug addict and comedian Russell Brand is here to tell us why this | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
country is getting it wrong on drugs. With him the man who helped | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
him get clean, a writer who thinks the war on drugs is a cruel hoax | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
and a Tory MP who advises the government on drug policy. And | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
they're calling them the women's games - the Olympics when female | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
athletes finally came into their own. We'll ask three gold medal | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
winning rowers whether London 2012 will turn more British women onto | :00:57. | :01:07. | |
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Good evening. The comedian, Russel Brand is famous for a lot of things | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
that don't have much to do with his jokes, one of those things is he | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
used to do hard drugs. The Government estimates there are | :01:21. | :01:27. | |
330,000 problem drug users in this country, nearly half of whom, | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
149,000 have been prescribed methadone to deal with their | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
addiction. In a documentary to be broadcast on BBC Three next weerk, | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
Russel Brand says that's plain wrong. We will speak to him in main. | :01:38. | :01:45. | |
First a taste of his, typically understated documentary. This is a | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
film about drugs. About taking drugs, and getting off drugs. | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
Nowadays, I don't drink or take drugs. | :01:54. | :02:00. | |
Am I'm a little bit cool, a bit of twit and a sort of think I'm Jesus. | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
Ten years ago, I couldn't get enough of them. Cannabis, booze, | :02:05. | :02:12. | |
acid, speed, coke, crack, smack, that's heroin, I took drugs every | :02:12. | :02:21. | |
single day. I know you talk about abstinence, that's fine, I think, | :02:21. | :02:27. | |
some patients the vast majority of mine, who are on methadone, do very, | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
very well. Methadone is a drug, if you're on methadone, you're on | :02:32. | :02:38. | |
drugs, for me, it is rearranging the furniture on the Titanic. | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
would love everyone to live on drug-free lives, on nothing. I'm a | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
GP, long enough to know that's not possible. You're not a drug addict | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
are you, it doesn't make difference the money, the famous, the fame, | :02:50. | :02:56. | |
the women, none of it, I would rather be a drug addict. If I | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
didn't have my programme, I would an addict like that, I would do it | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
gladly. The reason I don't is the things I talk to you about that, | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
and I know methadone, I would be using on top. Russel Brand is here. | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
Welcome. I've watched most of the | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
documentary, more than that, and I guess the first question is why did | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
you make it, why ask you think it was important to make? Perhaps that | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
was a catalyst, to make the documentary, but primarily, is I | :03:25. | :03:33. | |
wanted more people to be aware of the abten nins based of recovery, | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
which I think is the problem. is going cold turkey? No, but, it | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
is having a programme, and a method to deal with a life, free from | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
drugs. We saw at the beginning, the things I found most shocking and | :03:47. | :03:53. | |
amazing, about the footage is you're watching yourself, taking | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
drugs, in your late 20, you look miserable in those pictures, and | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
you're sitting in The Savoy, and you're energying the former self, | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
you wish you were an addict, a lot wouldn't snunds What must be | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
frustrating for the families with drug and alcohol problems, is the | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
al lure and potency of the disease is such it makes people make a lot | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
of irrational and difficult kegsd decisions. The things I did when I | :04:18. | :04:26. | |
was using and drinking, were boundless, and fathomless and | :04:26. | :04:32. | |
nonsensical. People would say why did do you that, why would you say | :04:32. | :04:38. | |
that? Why? There's a sadness, and maldis, that they're trying to get | :04:38. | :04:43. | |
with drugs. What do you think people should be doing? | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
Government is directing too much funds towards methadone and harm- | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
reduction and not giving the correct information. By focusing on | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
criminalising people that use drugs, I think, you're criminalising an | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
entire class and culture, that if it was treated as a health issue, | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
would be able to progress away. want to decriminalise it? That's a | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
sensational way of saying what I'm saying, I don't think | :05:12. | :05:18. | |
criminalisation works. I don't know, because I'm not qualified to talk | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
about the legislative issues. The legal status of the drugs, made no | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
difference to me when I was using. A lot of people will look at the | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
film and other things about drug addicts and say this is a self- | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
inflicted problem. Why should we spend more money trying to help | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
these people. You admit it is expensive the treatment you have, | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
it is expensive? I don't know it is that expensive, comparatively | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
putting people in prison and the social costs and cost it is has on | :05:46. | :05:52. | |
families and our society in general. This problem exists, itel continue | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
to exist, if we address it successfully, we will see | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
improvement. You as an economics editor will understand. | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
understand we don't have much money, why give more money? We have to | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
spend it, otherwise we'll be spending on on prisons, and | :06:07. | :06:15. | |
prisoners, and dealing with it. It is unavoidable, it is the | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
reallocation of funds. It shouldn't be legal? I don't want to encourage | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
it, we shouldn't spend the message to young people, that it is cool. I | :06:24. | :06:30. | |
don't take drugs, or drink. Certain type of person should never take | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
drugs or alcohol. People have Chancellorism, or addictive | :06:34. | :06:41. | |
tendencies, should avoid it. This issue, like non-other, shows a | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
disjunk of people and Government they govern. Your key point is it | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
is a disease, a disease, a discord, rather than something that people | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
have just got into, they could have shopped, it is self-inflicted | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
problem? That's my belief and impiercal understanding of ten | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
years of using drugs, and ten years free from drugs. Well, we're joined | :07:02. | :07:10. | |
by a few people to talk about this. But before we widen the debate, we | :07:10. | :07:16. | |
got Russel Brand and Chip Somers of the drugs rehabilitation charity, | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
Focus 12 Centre, the columnist, Peter Hitchens, who has written the | :07:21. | :07:28. | |
book, the war we never fought, and David Burrowes who helped right | :07:28. | :07:35. | |
Tory rights in rehabilitation. We have one more clip from Russel | :07:35. | :07:42. | |
Brand's documentary. Here people get more than methadone, they run | :07:42. | :07:48. | |
an abstinence problems b problem. didn't become an addict, when I was | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
17, my manipulation started when I was divo, control started when I | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
was three. It is the hardest thing. That's honest, and that's not | :07:57. | :08:04. | |
honest, because it is revealing and painful. I sat in this room, and | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
sat I was here naked. You weren't though, just to clarify, what goes | :08:08. | :08:14. | |
on, it is a cult. We have Chip Somers, Hitchens, David Burrowes, | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
Peter Hitchens. Russel Brand says, this is a disorder, we should treat | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
dug addiction, like a disease, do you agree? No it is a crime. It | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
involves the possession, of a Class A drug which a criminal offence. | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
Which people do voluntarily and do it for pleasure. And if we continue | :08:31. | :08:36. | |
to treat it as a disease, which they should be supervised, there | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
will be more, and more of it, as there has been over the past, many | :08:40. | :08:46. | |
years. We do, not any more enforce our laws on the subject. The word | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
addiction, assumes the person involves have no free will. | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
have no sympathy, for the people who are trapped on drugs? I have | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
sympathy with anybody, who gets themselves into trouble. But | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
sympathy isn't the point. What I don't have is sympathy with | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
somebody who deliberately breaks a known law. They are criminals and | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
should be punished. If they were punished for this, they would by | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
and large, not get into the trouble they get into, and there would be | :09:11. | :09:20. | |
many, many fewer of them. We don't do that. Look at the figures, | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
possession of Class A drugs, of the ones convicted, fewer than one in | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
ten is sentenced. This is a Class A drug the most serious. They are | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
criminals, what is wrong? understand what Peter is saying, | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
and his fraus centralisation, as a person who has to dealing with drug | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
addicts, they're a frustrating people to deal with it. If you find | :09:43. | :09:49. | |
it in yourself, to deal with compassion and love, rather than | :09:50. | :09:57. | |
aggression, there's room for lecture. You've been aggressive, | :09:57. | :10:03. | |
since we met before. That's the bigotry, that's fun. | :10:03. | :10:11. | |
When you have reason, you can learn, We are Why is a comedian, given a | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
programme, to push a policy about drugs? Because he has first hand | :10:15. | :10:21. | |
experience. Why is our debate on drugs so debased this is the kind | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
of thing we're reduced to. Why are you angry, what happened to you | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
Many young people are betrayed. By feeble Government and feebleest. | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
What do you think we should do. Enforce law on people on drugs. | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
More people in prison. Distered for taking drugs, which would ruin | :10:40. | :10:46. | |
their lives. Hay, I want that, I don't think people should take | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
drugs. I want them deterred by effective, policing,lies ton what | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
I'm saying, you will learn something. I heard it before. | :10:55. | :11:03. | |
You're not ignorant, but innocent. Effectively policing. And | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
interruption, nothing resembling reason, thought or fact. And you | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
are making a programme on drugs for the BBC. And I am not. That is why | :11:11. | :11:17. | |
it is exactly the reason. Let's bring in one of the people who was | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
in film, who was qualified do be in the film. He is someone who got | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
Russel Brand and many people clean on drugs, what do you think is the | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
answer? What do you think, is it compassion, locking up? They're | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
simplistic terms, of course, everybody who takes a Class A drugs | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
is committing a crime. But people do it, because it is pleasureable | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
to begin with, and then they become addicted, and at that point you | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
need to intervene in a kind and compassionate way. Nobody sets out | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
to become highly addicted to drugs. It is a disease, we should treat it | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
as a disease or disorder? All I know is everybody who walks through | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
the door of my treatment centre, did not intend to end up that way, | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
they started off, perhaps with good intentions but did not intend the | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
way, it crept up on them, and they became ill and sick, those need | :12:10. | :12:15. | |
help and we try and give it to them. They would be better off if we | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
deterred to do it in the first place. Instead the Government mugs | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
the taxpayer, to �300 million, to give drugs for people who are | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
already on them. That was shocking to find out that, 150,000 people | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
are prescribeed methadone in this country. Should we be actually | :12:32. | :12:38. | |
giving drugs to people, and trying to keep them off the street, rather | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
than helping to kick the addiction. Tirks toss careing to give them | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
methadone, and this Government recognised this big tanker who has | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
been throwing the money, hasn't had a dest destination, it is keeping | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
them in the treatment and not an exit. There's not much, you have | :12:57. | :13:04. | |
been in power for two years. have come out drug-free, and we're | :13:04. | :13:10. | |
paying people in areas to provide rehab, and opportunities to get | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
people off drugs and get back into society, proper housing and work, | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
and pay them by result, not just to get into treatment, but out of it. | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
But the truth is the Government is going to end up using methadone, | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
because it is cheap, surely? It is not cheap in the long run, to be | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
years and years in methadone, we're getting Jerry addict for those on | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
methadone so many years, it makes sense for them to get it off | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
law abiding public are punished through Government for heavy | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
taxation, for, because the Government is not prepared to | :13:44. | :13:49. | |
punish people for breaking the law on drugs, which they enforced would | :13:49. | :13:54. | |
prevent people, following the road which Chip has described. Would it | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
cost more money, surely? wouldn't cost it endlessly. What we | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
have done is committed to an endless programme, of mugging the | :14:02. | :14:08. | |
public to give methadone to people who are on drugs. Which, has, over | :14:08. | :14:17. | |
the past 40 years, used guy beganic... He is Victorian time | :14:18. | :14:24. | |
machine. Itch the Conservative is a soppy Liberal Party. There's | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
nothing easy and soppy taking off drugs. Rustle is one of the lucky | :14:29. | :14:38. | |
ones to come and tell the story, the reaction to rehab is not enough, | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
we want more people to access, and tell the story, whatever you think | :14:42. | :14:48. | |
of the story, it's a successful story to tell. Some of the most | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
inspirational people, you can hear about, are those who have got | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
through, the throws of addiction, and manage today recover. Who is | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
telling the storeive the parent of the young person? Danger of a drug | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
user, who gets no help or deter yents from the Government. Who is | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
telling the story of the taxpayer, who has to finance the failed | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
endless project. But he goes on television to tell it from the | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
sympathetic point of view. But, I think, Russel Brand should get a | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
word in. Peter we want the same thing, I don't think anyone should | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
take drugs, what we want to offer is a sensible solution to a | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
difficult problem. And criminalisation and imprisonment | :15:32. | :15:38. | |
isn't working. It is wonderful to hear you talking in compassionate | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
terms. I understand the frustration, but what you say is antiquated, | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
that fog horn madness from bygone times won't help you. No reason, | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
just abuse. That's not abuse. would love to see the embase | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
between you and Conservative Party. The more the better, because you | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
see how useless the Conservative Party is. Your policy has been, | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
tried, and tested, I'm finishing my sentence, your policy has been | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
tried for 40 years, and what we've seen now is the consequences of it. | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
What we see is a large number of drug takers, far greater than 40 | :16:14. | :16:20. | |
years ago, the policy has been applied. Of decriminalising, in all | :16:20. | :16:27. | |
but name. It would, if it were not signed by international treaty, to | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
prevent. It is unofficial but there. We have the result of what you're | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
calling for, and it is terrible. It is time we had a change. Would you | :16:34. | :16:40. | |
better off if you were sent to prison? I don't think it would be | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
much assistance, no. You talk about abstinence? Abstinence programmes | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
in prisons is one of the things we should look at. Penal system is one | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
of the areas where there's room for improvement. It is a mentality | :16:53. | :17:00. | |
shift, and that's why Peter thinks it sounds vague. It is attitude | :17:00. | :17:07. | |
shift, it is a health problem, as as oppose today a criminal problem. | :17:07. | :17:13. | |
Do you think it would help Russel Brand if he went to prison. Tifplt | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
would be different it it made him afraid. It is not designed to take | :17:18. | :17:25. | |
everyone who takes drug into prison. It is deterred them to stop them to | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
going to prison. It doesn't stop some people, once you done that, | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
they believe you, if you stop sending people to prison, they know | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
you don't mean it and the criminal justice system:. It is not | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
expensive. We shouldn't be toll traiting drug use, but once we got | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
them in the system, we should make them get rehab, and that's what we | :17:45. | :17:51. | |
do, not just throw them methadone, but make sure they get into | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
recovery systems. You make no serious effort to keep drugs out of | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
prison. The both, peerlt and Rustle, have, people don't care about drug | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
addict, they don't want to spend money on them. They want them away | :18:05. | :18:11. | |
somewhere. They don't, if they It is a news swans. People don't | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
care enough, to put them in prison. People do care a great deal, | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
especially the drug problem, enters their family stkpeer, and the | :18:19. | :18:25. | |
disaster of drugs, attacks your own family and circle. People are so | :18:25. | :18:30. | |
devastated, they wonder, where the Government is. We haven't much time. | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
Do you think people don't care enough That's basically the problem, | :18:33. | :18:39. | |
although I have learnt to love you Peter, and I'm going to kiss you on | :18:39. | :18:49. | |
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the lips, I'll challenge more of your prejudices. We'll deal with | :18:51. | :18:58. | |
your homophobia. How can one deal with one who cannot debate sensibly. | :18:58. | :19:05. | |
Why are you brought here and not making serious problems, you don't | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
know how to debate. He uses the expression, criminalisation, the | :19:10. | :19:16. | |
prern who criminal ices is the person who commits the offence. | :19:16. | :19:23. | |
Otherwise all you're saying all crime is caused by law. You people | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
commit crimes and they are punished by it. | :19:27. | :19:35. | |
I think he is a lovely fella, deep down and confused. We're not saying | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
the law should entitle people to react in ad hoc fashion, in a | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
problem, like alcoholism, and drugs there should be proper treatment. | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
People like Chip, who understand how abstinence based recovery works. | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
My work is to draw attention, that's all I can do, a component of | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
that is tolerance and understanding to people. If this affects people's | :19:56. | :20:02. | |
lives all over our country, and we have to approach it with Ben never | :20:03. | :20:10. | |
lens. You are doing great. From Russel Brand to swaelty women. | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
Let's go. Research shows nearly half teenager girls think sport is | :20:14. | :20:23. | |
unfeminine, too messy, and too much sweat. Commentators who were | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
watching the boxing, were in approval, they're worried about | :20:29. | :20:35. | |
their soft bones. But not to mention thair their ten Gold Medals. | :20:35. | :20:45. | |
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We're wondering whether the warm They said lone 2012 would be the | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
equality Olympics, when women's sporting achievement made the big | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
time. This was the first time every | :21:02. | :21:07. | |
national team, included at least some women. There wasn't always | :21:07. | :21:13. | |
liberating. The Saudi women got their own | :21:13. | :21:19. | |
prostitutes of the Olympics cash tag on switer. Here is the first | :21:19. | :21:25. | |
that everyone will remember. The first woman boxer, ever to win | :21:25. | :21:32. | |
Olympic gold. But medals don't pay the rent. A point Lizzie compelled | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
to make, after she battled the rain to claim the first medal of the | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
Games. She said there was massive sexism in the distribution of money | :21:40. | :21:48. | |
and airtime for her sport. Last year, nearly two-thirds of sports | :21:48. | :21:54. | |
response certainship money went to men. Half of one per cent went to | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
women's sports. The rest went to sports with men and women, but in | :21:58. | :22:03. | |
practice, most of the men got that. Then again, why would you response | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
certain sports, that get 5% of traditional media coverage at best. | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
That might be one reason why the short list for the 2011 Sports | :22:13. | :22:19. | |
Personality of the Year didn't have a single woman on it. That lack of | :22:19. | :22:24. | |
positive roll models might explain why girls drop out of doing regular | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
exercise between 10-14. Far more than boys. | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
We've had two weeks of women in prime time, running, jumping, | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
fighting or cycling their way to medals, and a lot of genuine public | :22:37. | :22:43. | |
aclimb. Is that enough to turn us into a nation of women's sports | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
fans, let alone schools girls who think it is cool to sweat in public. | :22:48. | :22:54. | |
To be discussed. Well I'm joined by three of our golden girls, all | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
roars. Katherine Grainger, Anna Watkins who together took gold in | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
the Women's Double Sculls, and Sophie Hosking who won the gold | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
medal in the Lightweight Double Sculls. You brought your Gold | :23:08. | :23:14. | |
Medals along, but we haven't got them in the studio. Russel Brand | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
might have them. We're not sure if a kiss took place, but in the Green | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
Room anything can happen. Is it a fantasy to think we're all going to | :23:23. | :23:29. | |
be switching on women's sports, all the days in inequality will be | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
forgotten in the shower of Gold Medals? I sincerely hope not. I | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
think it is a dream at the moment. But if anything, the Olympics, have | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
shown us the dreams can come true, and the success we're experiencing | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
is something we can hope for and now it is coming in across a huge | :23:48. | :23:53. | |
number of sports from a huge number of different female athletes. This | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
is increasing, over the owe limb pirks, there's no reason why that | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
can't get to a point, that we're matching the men, if not | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
outperforming them. I think something has changed from people | :24:05. | :24:12. | |
watching you rowing, and boxing? do think so. I've been overhearing, | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
controversials, walking around, and the people are talking about the | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
Olympics and women's sports N a way that you don't expect or perhaps | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
wouldn't have heard a few years ago, there's a massive appetite for it. | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
What's the problem? I was looking at the statistics before this, and | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
I was depressed to see one in ten, teenager girls does regular | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
exercise, they're saying it is unfeminine to be sporty. What are | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
the barriers, do you think doing sport in schools if you're a woman? | :24:41. | :24:48. | |
When I was in school, which was a while ago now, the girls were I | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
think, they wanted to give up sport as soon as they conscience and | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
worried, that for instance when they rowed, they didn't want to get | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
muscley. Why didn't you do that, what was the difference? For me, it | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
was because I have two brothers, and always surrounded by sport when | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
I was young, and something that my family thought was important to | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
take part in. I don't think it was bothered by the image side of | :25:15. | :25:22. | |
things. Have you encourterd, anything, sexism, any of you, or | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
what sexism have you encountered? It is very good, right at the | :25:27. | :25:37. | |
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moment. We know in our sport, his historically, it is the men's teams | :25:39. | :25:46. | |
got the results. Did the men have BMWs It's a coincidence, because it | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
is the individual feelers, that choose who to give cars, to it | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
wasn't any grand strategy, but it happens, there was a dozen for the | :25:54. | :26:00. | |
men and none for the girls. does that make you feel, do you | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
care? Now I have to walk to work. That's like the Japanese football | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
team, women in the back, men in the front and they're the ones who won | :26:08. | :26:15. | |
the gold medal? I was horrified by that It is hard, because there's a | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
lot of inequality out there. If we're talking about developing | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
women's sport at every level from grass roots to the top level, it | :26:23. | :26:29. | |
needs to be seen, to be something respected and valueed, and that the | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
female athletes, are worthy of the success they enjoin, that comes a | :26:33. | :26:40. | |
lot of different ways, not just in results and funding, it should be | :26:40. | :26:47. | |
equalised? How comfortable are the of the subject at the case, of the | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
women's sports. They're excited about the medal, but they're hot, | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
they don't look like east German shot puters, is that something, as | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
long as you get the attention and money, it doesn't matter if people | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
have talking about your figure? Well I think some of the men are | :27:03. | :27:09. | |
pretty as well. Athletes, generally are attractive. I think for the | :27:09. | :27:15. | |
women it is important. Because, whilst, for us, it is not | :27:15. | :27:21. | |
necessarily the way we want to be seen or remembered, for the kids at | :27:21. | :27:26. | |
school, if their role models are reality TV shows, that's not going | :27:26. | :27:33. | |
to make them work hard, and achieve through perseverance, whereas if | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
they have something they can get their teeth into. It is OK, if it | :27:37. | :27:42. | |
is about sexy and attractive, as long as people do sport? Once it | :27:42. | :27:47. | |
has a positive impact. We're not naive, what young girls look up to | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
is something on the telly. If there's glamour on that, it is not | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
what we're aiming for, but it will help. Do you worry about people, | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
talking about, they look pretty as well as getting medals? I want | :28:02. | :28:07. | |
women on the television, and have the conference and press, because | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
they look glamorous, it is a difficult thing about response | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
certainship, the big money goes to the more glamorous at the males. | :28:15. | :28:21. | |
will see if that changes, in the next year. We'd rather see it based | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
on the performance. Successful women should be the ones earning | :28:25. | :28:30. | |
the big numbers. That won't always work. Maybe hopeless idealism, but | :28:30. | :28:38. | |
maybe a change in attitudes. OK, well, now, we're going to have some | :28:38. | :28:44. | |
papers, we have the Daily Telegraph, Mo Farah facing the final 2078 | :28:44. | :28:49. | |
tomorrow, next chance of getting a gold. Shambles about the girl found | :28:49. | :28:56. | |
for a week in her granny's house, which officers had searched three | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
times. And costume drama, the synchronised swimming, they compete | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
to which country in the world is best at splashing about. That's all | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
tonight. If an interview this morning about getting rid of the | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
target of two hours a week in sports in schools the Prime | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
Minister said the two hours that laid down is often met through the | :29:16. | :29:21. | |
Indian dancing classes. I got nothing against Indian dancing | :29:21. | :29:27. | |
classes, he said, but that's not really sport. We thought we'd end | :29:27. | :29:33. |