10/08/2012 Newsnight


10/08/2012

Russell Brand talks about drug addiction and treatment, and gold medallists Sophie Hosking, Katherine Grainger and Anna Watkins discuss female Olympic success.


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The government says problem drug users cost this country over �15bn

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a year. Should we, could we, do more to break their addiction - or

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is the compulsion just too strong? This is a thing where I know it is

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a disease. Whenever I see it doesn't matter, I sat there in the

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Hackney, and now I'm in The Savoy, I'm jealous of then. The recovering

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drug addict and comedian Russell Brand is here to tell us why this

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country is getting it wrong on drugs. With him the man who helped

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him get clean, a writer who thinks the war on drugs is a cruel hoax

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and a Tory MP who advises the government on drug policy. And

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they're calling them the women's games - the Olympics when female

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athletes finally came into their own. We'll ask three gold medal

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winning rowers whether London 2012 will turn more British women onto

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Good evening. The comedian, Russel Brand is famous for a lot of things

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that don't have much to do with his jokes, one of those things is he

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used to do hard drugs. The Government estimates there are

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330,000 problem drug users in this country, nearly half of whom,

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149,000 have been prescribed methadone to deal with their

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addiction. In a documentary to be broadcast on BBC Three next weerk,

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Russel Brand says that's plain wrong. We will speak to him in main.

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First a taste of his, typically understated documentary. This is a

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film about drugs. About taking drugs, and getting off drugs.

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Nowadays, I don't drink or take drugs.

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Am I'm a little bit cool, a bit of twit and a sort of think I'm Jesus.

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Ten years ago, I couldn't get enough of them. Cannabis, booze,

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acid, speed, coke, crack, smack, that's heroin, I took drugs every

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single day. I know you talk about abstinence, that's fine, I think,

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some patients the vast majority of mine, who are on methadone, do very,

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very well. Methadone is a drug, if you're on methadone, you're on

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drugs, for me, it is rearranging the furniture on the Titanic.

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would love everyone to live on drug-free lives, on nothing. I'm a

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GP, long enough to know that's not possible. You're not a drug addict

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are you, it doesn't make difference the money, the famous, the fame,

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the women, none of it, I would rather be a drug addict. If I

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didn't have my programme, I would an addict like that, I would do it

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gladly. The reason I don't is the things I talk to you about that,

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and I know methadone, I would be using on top. Russel Brand is here.

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Welcome. I've watched most of the

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documentary, more than that, and I guess the first question is why did

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you make it, why ask you think it was important to make? Perhaps that

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was a catalyst, to make the documentary, but primarily, is I

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wanted more people to be aware of the abten nins based of recovery,

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which I think is the problem. is going cold turkey? No, but, it

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is having a programme, and a method to deal with a life, free from

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drugs. We saw at the beginning, the things I found most shocking and

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amazing, about the footage is you're watching yourself, taking

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drugs, in your late 20, you look miserable in those pictures, and

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you're sitting in The Savoy, and you're energying the former self,

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you wish you were an addict, a lot wouldn't snunds What must be

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frustrating for the families with drug and alcohol problems, is the

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al lure and potency of the disease is such it makes people make a lot

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of irrational and difficult kegsd decisions. The things I did when I

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was using and drinking, were boundless, and fathomless and

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nonsensical. People would say why did do you that, why would you say

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that? Why? There's a sadness, and maldis, that they're trying to get

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with drugs. What do you think people should be doing?

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Government is directing too much funds towards methadone and harm-

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reduction and not giving the correct information. By focusing on

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criminalising people that use drugs, I think, you're criminalising an

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entire class and culture, that if it was treated as a health issue,

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would be able to progress away. want to decriminalise it? That's a

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sensational way of saying what I'm saying, I don't think

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criminalisation works. I don't know, because I'm not qualified to talk

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about the legislative issues. The legal status of the drugs, made no

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difference to me when I was using. A lot of people will look at the

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film and other things about drug addicts and say this is a self-

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inflicted problem. Why should we spend more money trying to help

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these people. You admit it is expensive the treatment you have,

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it is expensive? I don't know it is that expensive, comparatively

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putting people in prison and the social costs and cost it is has on

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families and our society in general. This problem exists, itel continue

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to exist, if we address it successfully, we will see

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improvement. You as an economics editor will understand.

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understand we don't have much money, why give more money? We have to

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spend it, otherwise we'll be spending on on prisons, and

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prisoners, and dealing with it. It is unavoidable, it is the

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reallocation of funds. It shouldn't be legal? I don't want to encourage

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it, we shouldn't spend the message to young people, that it is cool. I

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don't take drugs, or drink. Certain type of person should never take

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drugs or alcohol. People have Chancellorism, or addictive

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tendencies, should avoid it. This issue, like non-other, shows a

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disjunk of people and Government they govern. Your key point is it

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is a disease, a disease, a discord, rather than something that people

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have just got into, they could have shopped, it is self-inflicted

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problem? That's my belief and impiercal understanding of ten

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years of using drugs, and ten years free from drugs. Well, we're joined

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by a few people to talk about this. But before we widen the debate, we

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got Russel Brand and Chip Somers of the drugs rehabilitation charity,

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Focus 12 Centre, the columnist, Peter Hitchens, who has written the

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book, the war we never fought, and David Burrowes who helped right

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Tory rights in rehabilitation. We have one more clip from Russel

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Brand's documentary. Here people get more than methadone, they run

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an abstinence problems b problem. didn't become an addict, when I was

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17, my manipulation started when I was divo, control started when I

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was three. It is the hardest thing. That's honest, and that's not

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honest, because it is revealing and painful. I sat in this room, and

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sat I was here naked. You weren't though, just to clarify, what goes

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on, it is a cult. We have Chip Somers, Hitchens, David Burrowes,

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Peter Hitchens. Russel Brand says, this is a disorder, we should treat

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dug addiction, like a disease, do you agree? No it is a crime. It

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involves the possession, of a Class A drug which a criminal offence.

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Which people do voluntarily and do it for pleasure. And if we continue

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to treat it as a disease, which they should be supervised, there

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will be more, and more of it, as there has been over the past, many

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years. We do, not any more enforce our laws on the subject. The word

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addiction, assumes the person involves have no free will.

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have no sympathy, for the people who are trapped on drugs? I have

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sympathy with anybody, who gets themselves into trouble. But

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sympathy isn't the point. What I don't have is sympathy with

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somebody who deliberately breaks a known law. They are criminals and

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should be punished. If they were punished for this, they would by

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and large, not get into the trouble they get into, and there would be

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many, many fewer of them. We don't do that. Look at the figures,

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possession of Class A drugs, of the ones convicted, fewer than one in

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ten is sentenced. This is a Class A drug the most serious. They are

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criminals, what is wrong? understand what Peter is saying,

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and his fraus centralisation, as a person who has to dealing with drug

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addicts, they're a frustrating people to deal with it. If you find

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it in yourself, to deal with compassion and love, rather than

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aggression, there's room for lecture. You've been aggressive,

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since we met before. That's the bigotry, that's fun.

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When you have reason, you can learn, We are Why is a comedian, given a

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programme, to push a policy about drugs? Because he has first hand

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experience. Why is our debate on drugs so debased this is the kind

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of thing we're reduced to. Why are you angry, what happened to you

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Many young people are betrayed. By feeble Government and feebleest.

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What do you think we should do. Enforce law on people on drugs.

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More people in prison. Distered for taking drugs, which would ruin

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their lives. Hay, I want that, I don't think people should take

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drugs. I want them deterred by effective, policing,lies ton what

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I'm saying, you will learn something. I heard it before.

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You're not ignorant, but innocent. Effectively policing. And

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interruption, nothing resembling reason, thought or fact. And you

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are making a programme on drugs for the BBC. And I am not. That is why

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it is exactly the reason. Let's bring in one of the people who was

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in film, who was qualified do be in the film. He is someone who got

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Russel Brand and many people clean on drugs, what do you think is the

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answer? What do you think, is it compassion, locking up? They're

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simplistic terms, of course, everybody who takes a Class A drugs

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is committing a crime. But people do it, because it is pleasureable

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to begin with, and then they become addicted, and at that point you

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need to intervene in a kind and compassionate way. Nobody sets out

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to become highly addicted to drugs. It is a disease, we should treat it

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as a disease or disorder? All I know is everybody who walks through

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the door of my treatment centre, did not intend to end up that way,

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they started off, perhaps with good intentions but did not intend the

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way, it crept up on them, and they became ill and sick, those need

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help and we try and give it to them. They would be better off if we

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deterred to do it in the first place. Instead the Government mugs

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the taxpayer, to �300 million, to give drugs for people who are

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already on them. That was shocking to find out that, 150,000 people

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are prescribeed methadone in this country. Should we be actually

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giving drugs to people, and trying to keep them off the street, rather

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than helping to kick the addiction. Tirks toss careing to give them

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methadone, and this Government recognised this big tanker who has

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been throwing the money, hasn't had a dest destination, it is keeping

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them in the treatment and not an exit. There's not much, you have

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been in power for two years. have come out drug-free, and we're

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paying people in areas to provide rehab, and opportunities to get

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people off drugs and get back into society, proper housing and work,

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and pay them by result, not just to get into treatment, but out of it.

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But the truth is the Government is going to end up using methadone,

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because it is cheap, surely? It is not cheap in the long run, to be

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years and years in methadone, we're getting Jerry addict for those on

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methadone so many years, it makes sense for them to get it off

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law abiding public are punished through Government for heavy

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taxation, for, because the Government is not prepared to

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punish people for breaking the law on drugs, which they enforced would

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prevent people, following the road which Chip has described. Would it

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cost more money, surely? wouldn't cost it endlessly. What we

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have done is committed to an endless programme, of mugging the

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public to give methadone to people who are on drugs. Which, has, over

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the past 40 years, used guy beganic... He is Victorian time

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machine. Itch the Conservative is a soppy Liberal Party. There's

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nothing easy and soppy taking off drugs. Rustle is one of the lucky

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ones to come and tell the story, the reaction to rehab is not enough,

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we want more people to access, and tell the story, whatever you think

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of the story, it's a successful story to tell. Some of the most

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inspirational people, you can hear about, are those who have got

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through, the throws of addiction, and manage today recover. Who is

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telling the storeive the parent of the young person? Danger of a drug

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user, who gets no help or deter yents from the Government. Who is

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telling the story of the taxpayer, who has to finance the failed

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endless project. But he goes on television to tell it from the

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sympathetic point of view. But, I think, Russel Brand should get a

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word in. Peter we want the same thing, I don't think anyone should

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take drugs, what we want to offer is a sensible solution to a

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difficult problem. And criminalisation and imprisonment

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isn't working. It is wonderful to hear you talking in compassionate

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terms. I understand the frustration, but what you say is antiquated,

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that fog horn madness from bygone times won't help you. No reason,

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just abuse. That's not abuse. would love to see the embase

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between you and Conservative Party. The more the better, because you

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see how useless the Conservative Party is. Your policy has been,

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tried, and tested, I'm finishing my sentence, your policy has been

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tried for 40 years, and what we've seen now is the consequences of it.

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What we see is a large number of drug takers, far greater than 40

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years ago, the policy has been applied. Of decriminalising, in all

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but name. It would, if it were not signed by international treaty, to

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prevent. It is unofficial but there. We have the result of what you're

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calling for, and it is terrible. It is time we had a change. Would you

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better off if you were sent to prison? I don't think it would be

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much assistance, no. You talk about abstinence? Abstinence programmes

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in prisons is one of the things we should look at. Penal system is one

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of the areas where there's room for improvement. It is a mentality

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shift, and that's why Peter thinks it sounds vague. It is attitude

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shift, it is a health problem, as as oppose today a criminal problem.

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Do you think it would help Russel Brand if he went to prison. Tifplt

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would be different it it made him afraid. It is not designed to take

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everyone who takes drug into prison. It is deterred them to stop them to

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going to prison. It doesn't stop some people, once you done that,

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they believe you, if you stop sending people to prison, they know

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you don't mean it and the criminal justice system:. It is not

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expensive. We shouldn't be toll traiting drug use, but once we got

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them in the system, we should make them get rehab, and that's what we

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do, not just throw them methadone, but make sure they get into

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recovery systems. You make no serious effort to keep drugs out of

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prison. The both, peerlt and Rustle, have, people don't care about drug

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addict, they don't want to spend money on them. They want them away

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somewhere. They don't, if they It is a news swans. People don't

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care enough, to put them in prison. People do care a great deal,

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especially the drug problem, enters their family stkpeer, and the

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disaster of drugs, attacks your own family and circle. People are so

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devastated, they wonder, where the Government is. We haven't much time.

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Do you think people don't care enough That's basically the problem,

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although I have learnt to love you Peter, and I'm going to kiss you on

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the lips, I'll challenge more of your prejudices. We'll deal with

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your homophobia. How can one deal with one who cannot debate sensibly.

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Why are you brought here and not making serious problems, you don't

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know how to debate. He uses the expression, criminalisation, the

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prern who criminal ices is the person who commits the offence.

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Otherwise all you're saying all crime is caused by law. You people

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commit crimes and they are punished by it.

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I think he is a lovely fella, deep down and confused. We're not saying

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the law should entitle people to react in ad hoc fashion, in a

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problem, like alcoholism, and drugs there should be proper treatment.

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People like Chip, who understand how abstinence based recovery works.

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My work is to draw attention, that's all I can do, a component of

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that is tolerance and understanding to people. If this affects people's

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lives all over our country, and we have to approach it with Ben never

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lens. You are doing great. From Russel Brand to swaelty women.

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Let's go. Research shows nearly half teenager girls think sport is

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unfeminine, too messy, and too much sweat. Commentators who were

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watching the boxing, were in approval, they're worried about

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their soft bones. But not to mention thair their ten Gold Medals.

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We're wondering whether the warm They said lone 2012 would be the

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equality Olympics, when women's sporting achievement made the big

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time. This was the first time every

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national team, included at least some women. There wasn't always

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liberating. The Saudi women got their own

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prostitutes of the Olympics cash tag on switer. Here is the first

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that everyone will remember. The first woman boxer, ever to win

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Olympic gold. But medals don't pay the rent. A point Lizzie compelled

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to make, after she battled the rain to claim the first medal of the

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Games. She said there was massive sexism in the distribution of money

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and airtime for her sport. Last year, nearly two-thirds of sports

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response certainship money went to men. Half of one per cent went to

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women's sports. The rest went to sports with men and women, but in

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practice, most of the men got that. Then again, why would you response

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certain sports, that get 5% of traditional media coverage at best.

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That might be one reason why the short list for the 2011 Sports

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Personality of the Year didn't have a single woman on it. That lack of

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positive roll models might explain why girls drop out of doing regular

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exercise between 10-14. Far more than boys.

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We've had two weeks of women in prime time, running, jumping,

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fighting or cycling their way to medals, and a lot of genuine public

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aclimb. Is that enough to turn us into a nation of women's sports

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fans, let alone schools girls who think it is cool to sweat in public.

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To be discussed. Well I'm joined by three of our golden girls, all

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roars. Katherine Grainger, Anna Watkins who together took gold in

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the Women's Double Sculls, and Sophie Hosking who won the gold

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medal in the Lightweight Double Sculls. You brought your Gold

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Medals along, but we haven't got them in the studio. Russel Brand

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might have them. We're not sure if a kiss took place, but in the Green

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Room anything can happen. Is it a fantasy to think we're all going to

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be switching on women's sports, all the days in inequality will be

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forgotten in the shower of Gold Medals? I sincerely hope not. I

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think it is a dream at the moment. But if anything, the Olympics, have

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shown us the dreams can come true, and the success we're experiencing

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is something we can hope for and now it is coming in across a huge

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number of sports from a huge number of different female athletes. This

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is increasing, over the owe limb pirks, there's no reason why that

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can't get to a point, that we're matching the men, if not

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outperforming them. I think something has changed from people

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watching you rowing, and boxing? do think so. I've been overhearing,

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controversials, walking around, and the people are talking about the

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Olympics and women's sports N a way that you don't expect or perhaps

:24:20.:24:25.

wouldn't have heard a few years ago, there's a massive appetite for it.

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What's the problem? I was looking at the statistics before this, and

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I was depressed to see one in ten, teenager girls does regular

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exercise, they're saying it is unfeminine to be sporty. What are

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the barriers, do you think doing sport in schools if you're a woman?

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When I was in school, which was a while ago now, the girls were I

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think, they wanted to give up sport as soon as they conscience and

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worried, that for instance when they rowed, they didn't want to get

:24:58.:25:03.

muscley. Why didn't you do that, what was the difference? For me, it

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was because I have two brothers, and always surrounded by sport when

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I was young, and something that my family thought was important to

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take part in. I don't think it was bothered by the image side of

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things. Have you encourterd, anything, sexism, any of you, or

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what sexism have you encountered? It is very good, right at the

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moment. We know in our sport, his historically, it is the men's teams

:25:39.:25:46.

got the results. Did the men have BMWs It's a coincidence, because it

:25:46.:25:50.

is the individual feelers, that choose who to give cars, to it

:25:50.:25:54.

wasn't any grand strategy, but it happens, there was a dozen for the

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men and none for the girls. does that make you feel, do you

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care? Now I have to walk to work. That's like the Japanese football

:26:04.:26:08.

team, women in the back, men in the front and they're the ones who won

:26:08.:26:15.

the gold medal? I was horrified by that It is hard, because there's a

:26:15.:26:19.

lot of inequality out there. If we're talking about developing

:26:19.:26:23.

women's sport at every level from grass roots to the top level, it

:26:23.:26:29.

needs to be seen, to be something respected and valueed, and that the

:26:29.:26:33.

female athletes, are worthy of the success they enjoin, that comes a

:26:33.:26:40.

lot of different ways, not just in results and funding, it should be

:26:40.:26:47.

equalised? How comfortable are the of the subject at the case, of the

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women's sports. They're excited about the medal, but they're hot,

:26:51.:26:54.

they don't look like east German shot puters, is that something, as

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long as you get the attention and money, it doesn't matter if people

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have talking about your figure? Well I think some of the men are

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pretty as well. Athletes, generally are attractive. I think for the

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women it is important. Because, whilst, for us, it is not

:27:15.:27:21.

necessarily the way we want to be seen or remembered, for the kids at

:27:21.:27:26.

school, if their role models are reality TV shows, that's not going

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to make them work hard, and achieve through perseverance, whereas if

:27:33.:27:37.

they have something they can get their teeth into. It is OK, if it

:27:37.:27:42.

is about sexy and attractive, as long as people do sport? Once it

:27:42.:27:47.

has a positive impact. We're not naive, what young girls look up to

:27:47.:27:51.

is something on the telly. If there's glamour on that, it is not

:27:51.:27:56.

what we're aiming for, but it will help. Do you worry about people,

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talking about, they look pretty as well as getting medals? I want

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women on the television, and have the conference and press, because

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they look glamorous, it is a difficult thing about response

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certainship, the big money goes to the more glamorous at the males.

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will see if that changes, in the next year. We'd rather see it based

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on the performance. Successful women should be the ones earning

:28:25.:28:30.

the big numbers. That won't always work. Maybe hopeless idealism, but

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maybe a change in attitudes. OK, well, now, we're going to have some

:28:38.:28:44.

papers, we have the Daily Telegraph, Mo Farah facing the final 2078

:28:44.:28:49.

tomorrow, next chance of getting a gold. Shambles about the girl found

:28:49.:28:56.

for a week in her granny's house, which officers had searched three

:28:56.:29:01.

times. And costume drama, the synchronised swimming, they compete

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to which country in the world is best at splashing about. That's all

:29:05.:29:08.

tonight. If an interview this morning about getting rid of the

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target of two hours a week in sports in schools the Prime

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Minister said the two hours that laid down is often met through the

:29:16.:29:21.

Indian dancing classes. I got nothing against Indian dancing

:29:21.:29:27.

classes, he said, but that's not really sport. We thought we'd end

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