17/08/2012 Newsnight


17/08/2012

Eddie Mair talks to Boris Berezovsky and Scissor Sister Ana Matronic about Pussy Riot being jailed for hooliganism. Plus Olympian Greg Rutherford on the playing field row.


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Outrage as three Russian musicians are jailed. Their target, Vladimir

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Putin. Two years in his prn for singing in church, but has Putin

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been punked? We'll asked Boris Berezovsky A former Putin adviser

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and skisor sister, Anna Matronic. In the after glow of the Olympics,

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the argument of selling school playing fields really the vision

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for 020 gold? Our long jump Throughout the cold Russian winter

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and spring, people have been demonstrating on the streets of

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Moscow and St Petersburg about the parliamentary elections last

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December. The official results returned Vladimir Putin's party to

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power, but the protesters smelled a rat. None of the protest his the

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impact of three members of a punk band, Pussy Riot n February, they

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performed a colour flee-worded song inside a cathedral in Moscow. Their

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arrest, prompted widespread international outraipbl but did

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nothing to top stoed's prison terms of two years each. As the old

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proverb says the law is like a shaft, no matter what way you turn

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it, you're shafted. From unknown feminist punk rockers to bonea

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fiedglobal dissidents. Pussy Riot might look like cartoon punctuation

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but their performances have ended up packing an unexpected punch,

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drawing the world attention to free speech and Putin's Russia. But

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today they are their tie raid against Putin in the main cathedral,

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turned into a two-year sentence. Guilty, under 313 part two.

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And give her two years of deep reservation of liberty in a penal

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colony. Outside the court their supporters from outraged, there

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were reports of 50 people arrested in Moscow. One of those the chess

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player, Garry Kasparov. Free Pussy Riot. Supporters in 55 cities came

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out in a show of solidarity when the verdict was rieched. Outside

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people gathered outside the Russian embassy. Itch the case of Pussy

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Riot has woken up the community of the society in the West because I

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think it is something that concerns any three people, the inability to

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say what you think. For the past six months these brightly coloured

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Balaclavas have been the protest accessory of choice. These were

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supposed to show the Pussy Rioters were an anonymous, and about their

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ideas and not image. But few can deny it is the image that's got

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them so much attention. Who are the women in the masks? Matter Ria, a

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journalist student and mother. Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, a young

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student, and Yekaterina Samutsevich a gay rights campaigner, and

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computer programmeer. Are they freedom fighters or day glow

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protesters for the Facebook generation? It was a long time to

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take people seriously. You have three women, which will be

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patronising, wearing silly clothes and silly name, performing not

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confident musical performance of a punk prayer, doing the can, can in

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a church. People didn't realise the wider significance and

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ramifications of that. People realise it is not actually that 40-

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second performance that matters, it is not what they did, it is what

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they stand for, and that's why they were on trial. It is the fact

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they're anti-establishment, they're feminists, atheists and it is all

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those things that mean their' seen as the prosecutor said, they're a

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threat to our values and society. The subsequent trial betrayed them

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in the West, as victims of Putin's repressive regime. They aren't

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short of Western supporters, a cast of musicians leapt to their defence.

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But celebrity endorsements have done little to lessen Putin's

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resolve. He told them they would not have survived if they pulled a

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Muslim site in the caucuses. The case that is divided Russia, in a

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country where the majority still say they at least, identify with

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the church, many have seen the act as nothing more than sacrilegious

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and deeply offensive rather than anything political. They chose one

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of Russia's sacred sites to perform their musical prayer to the verjin

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Mary, to rid Russia, of Putin. Today, the judge denounced them as

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hooligans who had fueled religious hatred. But Pussy Riot's cathedral

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stunt was one of several public protests, the group staged within

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Putin's presidential campaign. He won a clear majority in the

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elections, and a record third term. But many people thought the ballot

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had been riged. Months later the Russian Parliament passed a new law,

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curtailing the right to protest. Russian authorities you know, are

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trying to come up with a package of legislation that is definitely

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restricting freedom of expression and freedom of feeling, they're

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afraid of dissent. Not all protesters are as he will went.

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Speeches were performed to a Royal Court this morning. Even if we are

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here in a cage, we are freer, than all those who sit opposite us on

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the side of the prosecutor, because we can say, what we please and we

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Pussy Riot have polarised opinion in Russia, but the challenge for

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Putin is to make sure the two year jail sentence will prevent other

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protesters to follow these Add damn's blowing, animation

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budget for the year. Alexander Nekrassky is a Putin supporters,

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Boris Berezovsky is a Russian ol gar be, who is no fan of Putin and

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in New York, Anna Matronic from the sisyor sisters who, is one of Pussy

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Riot's supporters. Is it a sign of a mature democracy, that people can

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be arrested and then ultimately jailed, for singing in church, a

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song, that is critical of a politician? Well, the point is they

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chose the wrong place. It is very important to understand that this

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cathedral, was destroyed on orders of Stalin, and then was rebuilt in

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the '90s, on the people's donations. So, it was basically a sign, a

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symbol of Russia saying no to Stalin. Were you offended by the

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song and what they did? I was not offended by the song. It is not a

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great song is it? But I was offended by the fact they were

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jumping at the altar, yes, they chose the wrong place, they should

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have jumped out of the Muslim Liam. In that place of all places, should

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they really have been going in and singing with the song with lyrics

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"shit, shit, the Lord is shit". Efpb who believes in God, and who

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goes to the Church, has his personal language, how to talk to

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the God. And they have presented, they presented their language to

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talk. I think, as far as I am concerned, I was not ashamed. It is

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not my language to communicate to God. But, I was not shamed. But I

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want to tell them, they're creative, and this exactly what destroyed any

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dictatorship, creativity. They, because they're free, and we know a

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lot of creative people in the Italian regime, for example, Lenny,

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who created this type of the wheel,. But, creativity finally wins

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against the grain. And I think that it is a big mistake, because they

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will be releaseed in 2014, which is the year that Russia, want to host

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the Olympic Games. And instead of the five rings, it will be just

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five balancea clafas, as a symbol of 2012 - Balaclavas.

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Have you done that yourself? with my friends. Have you brought

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in any art work? Give us thoughts. I must object to one thing, they

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never had the proper song and never had a proper hit. So, it is a bit,

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a sign of desperation. We might talk about the musical

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produce wes, but you are convinced that President Putin himself, was

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responsible for this verdict today. Where is your evidence for that?

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wrote an open letter, not the first one, I got answer not from himself,

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one from his crony from Duma, from Russian Parliament. Where is your

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snefdz Sorry. Where is your evidence for the President being

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directly involved? It is myself, I am live evidence that Putin direct

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order to push me out from Russia, he was my friend for ten years, and

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I know him well. And I know that Putin is the kind of major crime

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and events in Russia, and not in Russia, but this country, when my

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friend was poisoned, no doubts that behind status, and Putin was

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President. What attracted you to supporting Pussy Riot? Well, for me,

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it is always a question of democracy, and how it's expressed.

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For me, as an American, as someone in a democratic form of Government,

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for me the most important thing is to have disdense and discourse, be

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address on both sides and have a proper place to be heard and

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expressed in government. So to me, this verdict is really indicative,

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I think, of the beginning of what could be a very large problem, not

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just for artists and intellectuals in Russia, but people in general,

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anyone who wants to speak their mind. And that is something that as

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an American, as someone who feels represented by their government in

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a democratic way, that is not that is not how we function in

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democratic society. We must have freedom of speech. We must have

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freedom of expression, we must have free elections and equal

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representation under the law. do you think it says about what

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they've done, or who they are, that, after all the weeks of protests

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we've seen on the streets of Moscow and St Petersburg, it was this

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action, and now, this sentencing today, that captureed the world's

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attention? One of the quality of the Russian people that I find so

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indeering and enduring, is their deep, deep faith. And the

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connection to the holy images and Russian Orthodox Church. By

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choosing the Church to stage their protest, Pussy Riot really taped

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into the main vain - vein of the Russian people. And of course,

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they'll start a huge conversation on both sides of the issue. And the

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verdict is handing the opponents of the Putin Government and any person

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who wants their voice to be heard, an instant symbol that is going to

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fuel the fire of the opposition. And I believe that what we're

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seeing today is a real cry for justice the world over. And Pussy

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Riot is becoming the symbol of that. What we've done, what Russia's done

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with this verdict is create this world of bright Balaclava symbols

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that they are they're going to be embraceed by people all over the

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world. Alexander Nekrassky if Vladimir Putin has had a hand in

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this, even if he hasn't S this going to blow up in his face?

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course not. If his popularity will grow, because this will back fire

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on the protesters. This is a joke, to call this freedom of spaech,

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this is a joke. Because Russian people will not respect these women

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for so-called protests, because they chose the wrong place as I

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mentioned already. This was a terrible, terrible site to see.

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number of places can be seen? suspect what they did, was

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undermine the whole idea of and a free protest in a country, if

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people disagree with something, I think, this is a joke. Boris

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Berezovsky there's polling evidence to suggest the President is still

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popular, a poll in May, conducted found 7% of Russians had a

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favourable opinion of him. Many many foreigners don't like him, but

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they like him in Russia? First of all, I don't believe in

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institutions today in Russia, who make public polls. And I know,

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completely different things. The most important thing is Putin lost

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all, without any exception, intellectual part of the society,

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this is the biggest problem for him. How is that going to be capitalised

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on someone like you? Everyone, every leader who is losing the

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intellectual part of society, finally he is a loser., sorry your

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question. Well I'm wondering if you're annoyed and so many others

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are annoyed, how can that be taped into in future? I think that Putin

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doesn't have any chance to survive as a leader, as the real leader.

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And I think there are two ways how he could be collapsed. One way is

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small internal circle of cronies, who recognise that he is dangerous

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for them. The second way is street, and sooner and later, we will have

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the same in Syria, and in some other countries, and Putin is

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afraid of that. No I don't think that will happen, we can't compare

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Syria and Russia, absolutely different situations. I think Putin

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will last for a while at least. And I think his position is not as weak

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as some people think. Anna, I heard you laughing earlier, what was

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that? The history of Russia, has shown that facts and polls and

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elections can absolutely be skewed in favour of whoever is in power.

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And what I fear, just coming from the point of view of history, is

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when you start silenceing and persecuting people for their

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political opinion and their political creativity in a

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statements they make, that is a very, very dangerous signal of

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things to come. So, my eyes are definitely going to be on Russia,

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in the rights of people and protesters, we've already seen

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Putin take away some of the rights and limit the rights of protesters

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since he's taken his third term. So I really am looking at Russia,

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right now as is the world. And this verdict is really just going to add

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fuel to the fire of the opposition. I wonder, finally, musically, and

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Alexander is no fan of the music, is there something here about punk,

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that makes this especially interesting? I think that punk

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especially in British history is the roaring sound of the individual

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who is rebelling against society at large. And asking questions. So,

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what we have is protest, is a noise, is a music that is ininherently

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with one of the same as protesting and get ago radical point of view

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out there. I may not agree that Pussy Riot has to say. Nor does the

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majority of the Russian people. However, it is sparking a discourse

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that needs to happen, I believe, and not just in Russia, but in the

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world over. Thank you all three of you.

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The Department of Education is having trouble counting.

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Specifically the number of playing fields solid off since the general

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election. The Daily Telegraph revealed the department had

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underestimated the total, it wasn't 21 as originally claimed it was 30.

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And tonight, another statement from Michael Gove's department says the

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total number closed is 31. Yet the Mayor of The Olympic host city,

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says the protection of school playing fields is vital to giving

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young people fit and healthy. The Olympics, proved how important good

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schools sports facilities can be. Just ask the rowers, who competed

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on Eton's boating lake. Since the euphoria's passed the Government

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policy on schools playing fields has come under ever closer scrutiny.

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Last two years, 21 school playing fields has been solid, 14 is

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because the school in question had closed, four of them was because of

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school amalgamations, that leaves three, and the other three were go

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getting money to invest in sports facilities. The figure of 21, that

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has been broadcast around the airwaves doesn't stack up.

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Embarrassing then when today the Government had to admit that 30

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schools had solid playing fields and had to amend that again, to 31.

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More awkward still it emerged ministers had overruled an

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independent advisory panel to allow five of the schools to sell land.

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This is one of them. The primary school in Camden, north London. No

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green fields here. It was part of the playground that the school

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wanted to sell, playing fields it seems is a broad term. The school

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will be entirely rebuilt. We're selling a tiny bit of this

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school site, to be able to fund rebuilding the entire school to

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provide a better environment for our schoolchildren. We've been

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forced to do that, because the Government cut �2 hub hundred

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million budget for building schools in 2010. Many local authorities,

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are worried. What the sad reality of the current financial situation

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is there isn't a huge amount of money for schools, other to meet

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the basic and important priorities, such as providing school places for

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the increasing number of places there are, in a number of parts of

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the UK and making sure the buildings are so poor, there might

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be a threat the school gets closed, makes sure that work is done.

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Some schools can sell land without the Government's permission. The

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playing fields charity says we should know exactly what land they

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have. I think one of the things we would really like to see, firstly

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is a register of how many school playing fields there are now. That

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would be a great move forward and give us a better indication of what

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losses we're talking about, when there are disposeals of school

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playing field, which of course will happen on occasion and be necessary.

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But I think it would be helpful to see both sides of the picture.

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we don't have the register now? not currently. You don't need

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Eton's acres for excellent sports facilities. What better way to

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encourage the Farah's of the future, than to build a running track right

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through the middle of the school. Modern facilities don't have to be

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a muddy field far away. This is he was Lynn Grace academy in the heart

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of south London, designed by the arc tect, died died died, it came

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with a price tag of �40 million, that's doubt the budget for a

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secondary school these days, in austere times. The Olympics put

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schools sports fields in the spotlight this summer. Whether

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they'll stay there, once term starts is the question. Well we

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invited the Department for Education to come to play tonight

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but it says it is staying in to do homework. We will have gold medal

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winning long jumper, Greg Rutherford and Graham Stuart who

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enjoys cycling and taking part in try and the lons, he is a

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Conservative MP who chairs the Commons education semi-. Greg, we

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saw wonderful facilities there, what was it like at your school?

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Very basic, we had some fields and playing area which are good n the

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secondary, school we had Astra surface which was used for hockey.

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But nothing you saw there. That was beautiful. What do you think of the

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debate of school playing fields? Nifplt my opinion they have to stay.

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For me, as a youngster, I was out on the fields all the time and

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enjoying myself a lot. All different sports were playing, a

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great place to be playing sports with your friends, for me, I was

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active as a child and those were the areas where I spent most of my

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time. We may come on to detail, but before that, Graham Stuart how

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could you characterise the Government's handling of this, the

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numbers which keep being corrected and the fact that the Secretary of

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State's been overall his independence advice? Well I swoont

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get too obobsessed about the numbers, the original answer came

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because of the question asked specifically of the application

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since the election. There has been 31 sales in two years, if you

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compare that with the previous Government, it seems to be rung at

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a lower rate. If you compare it across the whole numbers of schools,

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more than 20,000 schools in the country, we should keep it in

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perspective. The Government and Michael Gove is keen to say this,

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that they brought in changes to the rules so there has to be a

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ministerial signoff now on any sale of playing fields, that comes

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before it. There are reason to believe there's a robust system in

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place. Going forward, we have to ensure we improving fassailts and

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link between schools and local clubs and provide everybody with

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access to competitive sport and leisure activities and exercise of

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other sports. If Michael Gove wants to say something, he is welcome to

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come here and say it himself. What do you think the rule should be in

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protecting and enhancing playing fields in schools? Should that be

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done centrally or left to schools themselves? Well, my select

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committee, a cross party committee, which supervises and vuet

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scrutinises the Government on education matters, we'd want to

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look in practical terms. The Government says there should be

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less prescription, and many would say there's too much of that. We

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have to see what happens, if it turns out reducing rules, means

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schools will reduce the sporting facility, we have to look at it

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again. So you want to keep an eye on it. What about that, Greg,

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central control or leave it to the schools? Possibly a central control

:25:47.:25:51.

is the only way, there's always going to be a situation where ker

:25:51.:25:55.

individuals will abuse the system. And then you risk losing out for

:25:55.:25:59.

many children, what is the essentially the best place to learn

:25:59.:26:04.

sports and stay active and fit and healthy. It could take too long if

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you left it up to an open committee, and then they said, now you're

:26:08.:26:12.

using it, we have to look at it again. You have to centralise it,

:26:12.:26:17.

and make sure that one rule fits for all. Graham Stuart it should be

:26:17.:26:23.

said the Department of Education will see the capital budget fall

:26:23.:26:26.

for 60% in real sterms in the course of this Parliament. Do you

:26:26.:26:31.

think schools will say, we can make extra cash by selling off the

:26:31.:26:36.

playing fields and rebuild the rest of the school. What will stop them?

:26:36.:26:40.

Ministers have to sign on every one for a start, so you have a minister

:26:40.:26:45.

answerable to Parliament, who has to sign off. And this August story,

:26:45.:26:51.

which may be built on flimsy foundations but good timing after

:26:51.:26:56.

the Olympics, helps that ministers will be unable to do that. Tell be

:26:56.:27:01.

held to account whafplt is important is we get a strategy

:27:01.:27:07.

going forward, that co-ordinates provision for young people.

:27:07.:27:11.

encourages sport and capitalise on so many great clubs. If a school is

:27:11.:27:15.

falling down, in a state of disrepair and the school thinks

:27:16.:27:19.

well the only way we can spai is selling off playing fields, isn't

:27:19.:27:23.

that a sensible thing for the school to do? The rules say you

:27:23.:27:28.

have to ensure better provision, sporting provision for the young

:27:28.:27:31.

people. The fact we are nae this situation, because we had a

:27:31.:27:36.

Government that spent far more than it had coming in, and put it in

:27:36.:27:41.

this state is a reality for everybody. We can't make money grow

:27:41.:27:46.

on trees, we have to get the deficit under control. School

:27:46.:27:51.

capital, as we heart in the piece, saw vaust expenditure, under the

:27:51.:27:56.

last Government. This Government has had to life in austere times

:27:56.:28:00.

and deliver better quality services for less money. I think we can do

:28:00.:28:04.

that, and we have to ensure we have the best possible planning and not

:28:04.:28:09.

get hung up on the playing fields. At the moment, I'm confident there

:28:09.:28:14.

will be not a massive increase in selloffs.

:28:14.:28:19.

Braefl, how important is it there are facilities on site at each

:28:19.:28:24.

school? It is even more so at the moment. We've come out of a great

:28:24.:28:27.

two-and-a-half weeks, and about to go into more of that. There will be

:28:27.:28:30.

more inspired children and people who want to be involved in sport.

:28:30.:28:35.

So, if we risk losing areas for the kids to be playing at, it is going

:28:35.:28:39.

to be a detriment to the next generation. Thank you both very

:28:39.:28:44.

much. The review, show starts in a few moments and Kirstie, like a

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