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Sta Another asylum seeker the Government can't get rid of.

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Julian Assange gets the official protection of Ecuador. To the

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consternation of Swedish and Britain. We will not allow will

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Assange safe passage out of the UK nor is there any legal basis for us

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to do so. We'll debate what is likely to

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happen to Julian Assange next. will definitely be appealing.

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man has been told he can't be helped to die. In Newsnight we will

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hear from his daughter, and from a patient who recovered from a

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similar situation. How did a miner strike leave at

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least seven people dead? And in Syria, Sue Lloyd Roberts

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finds out what happened to the people who were first to protest,

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Almost exactly two years ago today, Julian Assange had his heart set on

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Sweden, Sweden was the country for him. Mr Assange applied for a

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resident's permit to live and work there and hoped to create a base

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for WikiLeaks, in Sweden, because of the country's laws protecting

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whistle-blowers. Now he is settling on Ecuador. We witnessing the open

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the international diplomatic incident that WikiLeaks used to

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cause. Julian Assange once travelled the globe, championing

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freedom of information and apparently rewriting the rules of

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what could, and couldn't be kept secret.

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But now, his world has shrunk to two rooms at the back of the

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Ecuadorian embassy in London. But even this refuge may not be safe

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for the British Government has made clear, diplomatic immunity might be

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revokeed. The unprecedented letter from the UK authorities to the

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Ecuadorians, about the possibility of them going into the embassy to

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pick him up, that was the big surprise to me. And I'm still

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shocked about it because the itch case of that is so massive.

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If they wouldn't do it, that would actually, would jeopardise the

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concept of diplomacy forever. this morning, with supporters

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fearing police were about to storm the embarrassy, the counter culture

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arrived in Knightsbridge, ready to oppose the police and support

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Assange. The Ecuadorian Government meanwhile bridleed at the

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suggestion that British law might be used to newlyfy their

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sovereignty, and gave their guess to what he craved.

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TRANSLATION: The Ecuadorian Government loyal to the tradition

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to protect those who seek refuge with us, and in our diplomatic

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mission have decided to grant diplomatic asylum to Mr Assange.

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That news calmed the supporters outside, but of course annoyed the

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Foreign Office. Stay clear please. Had the British

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misplayed it. The Foreign Office played this exactly right. They've

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been talking behind the scenes, quiet diplomacy for two months to

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get the Ecuadorians to see sense on this. And there does come a moment

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when you have to say, these are the options and by the way we do have

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the act of Parliament, which gives us the right to raise diplomatic

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immunity, lift diplomatic immunity when it is abused. You need to take

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account of that oh Ecuadorian Government. To the protesters, this

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is about WikiLeaks and American vengeance, but none of the charges

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framed against him so far, relate to that. It is important to thunds

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is not about Mr Assange's activities at WikiLeaks, or the

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attitude of the United States, he is wanted in Sweden, to answer

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allegations of serious sexual offences. Since he's skipped bail

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in this country two months ago, Mr Assange would also face British

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charges, if he left the embarrassy, while the United States has yet to

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showity hand legally. With neither the UK or Ecuadorian governments

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likely to back down, will seems to be every chance of a prolonged

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standoff, from high-charging international lawyers might benefit.

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Meanwhile, Julian Assange may not be in prison, but he is certainly

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confined. So, Mr Assange will have plenty of time to gaze out at the

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expensive cars dropping off customers at Harrods, while the

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British Government bieds its time. Ecuadorian President has fallen

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into a trap of his own making. They have there, in the embassy, the

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sitting tenant from hell, who could be there, for another 25-30 years,

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who knows. The motto for us now is "just play it cool, be calm, and go

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back into behind the scenes talks with the Ecuadorians".

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And what of the longer term? The Brad Brad Brad the US soldiers

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accused of providing WikiLeaks with its information faces trial in

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September. The American authorities, have yet to indict Julian Assange

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on any charge. His argument he could face death in America, is a

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flawed note. Sweden will not extradite anybody to the US if

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there is a fear they will be subject to the death penalty so.

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That is not something that is a real risk in his case T won't

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happen. What is a greater risk is he will be subject today the same

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treatment as Bradley Manning, who is the WikiLeaks defendant held in

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unsavoury conditions ever since he was arrested. Ecuador has been

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criticised today, by both British and Swedish governments for

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obstructing the justice in two democracies. US pressure has yet to

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begin in earnest, and Julian Assange's supporters, were hardly

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opening the champagne tonight. Every person I met that knows how

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the US function, say they might not be the quickest, but they don't

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forget and don't forgive. The floor space of the embassy is a

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equivalent to a ten nas court. It's a small world to be couped up

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indefinitely. Supporters think he might escape, but where to? Exdor

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remains defiant for now, but who will predict how they'll behave if

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America turns up the heat. Vaughan Smith let Julian Assange stay in

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his house for year, and Roger Noriega was administer of state,

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and Johan Pehrson is Chief Whip to the Swedish Liberal Party, a member

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of the Swedish Parliament justice committee. Vaughan Smith is it hard,

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having this man as a friend? It is challenging. I end up, trying to

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account for things on programmes like this, sometimes. He is very

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good company. I had him stay for 13 months. My family from

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recomfortable with that. He is engaging and as a journalist,

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curious about things and well informed. He stayed with more than

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a year, and put up �20,000 of his bail money and then he broke bail,

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is he an honest person? He strikes me as honest, one has to see what

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he's done is entering sideways to a legal process. To who extent he's

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broken bailiff yet to proceed. should have stayed at an address

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that he gave the police overnight, and he is not doing that any more?

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They know where he is. And breaking bail would, traditionally leaving

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the country or go into hiding. He's not done that. He has a right as

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individual to seek political asylum, most people acknowledge we all have

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a right to do that, if we're feeling persecuted and he does. The

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Ecuadorians, are the only people who have considered this whether he

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is actually somebody who is persecuted or not. They have

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concluded that he has been. What is the most convincing argument for

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him going to Sweden? I know Julian well enough to be convinced he

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believes his life or his liberty is threatened by such a thing. It is

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not for me to thing that is necessarily the case, I don't know.

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But I do know he believes that. And, I think that what you've got to

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look at, the Ecuadorians, have gone through processes to resolve this.

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They've invited the Swedes to come and interview there, and press a

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precedent for this. It reached the point in a Swedish legal thing that

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they are required to interview him, and then choose whether to charge

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him. But, they went to Serbia, to interview an alleged murderer, but

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haven't done that here. All right, Johan Pehrson why not do that?

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it is not for me to supervise the Swedish prosecutors, but I can say

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that he meets severe crime, the simple point is it will be easy for

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him to go to Sweden to meet our legal system and ask, to have, to

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answer these questions from the prosecutors, and then he might be

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released or prosecuted, and there could be a trial. But, he's

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obstructing this, and in this situation, it is very important to

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remember that there are might be witness of a crime here, to women.

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This is a man who hasn't been charged with anything, he is

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willing to be questioned if you go to him, you're saying that is

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impossible? I can't supervise the prosecutors, but I can say, that

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the things, how things have turned out now. I mean, of course, the

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Swedish prosecutors, need to come up with new ideas how they might be

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able to question him, because this could be a deadlock for a long time.

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He can be siting in this embassy for I don't know how long. Roger

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Noriega, do you share this view? Do you understand the view, that this

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is a man who feels persecuted? sure I do. But let's see that he's

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conspireed to make good his escape here. To, jump bail, in Britain,

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and now he should be held accountable under British law and

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Swedish law. He conspired with the President who he interviewed in May

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of this year, on behalf of Russia Today and it was at that time

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Rafael Correa crushed the media, systematically in his own country,

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violated the independence of the courts, politiciseed the courts

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that do his bidding, so this is a rather strange bed fellow for

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Assange to be joining. It says a lot about him. And I hope that

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Correa is held for some scrutiny, his premeditated role in this

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process. You have a long list of complaints about Ecuador. If people

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look how Bradley Manning is treated, can you blame Julian Assange

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wanting to come to your country? Well, as far as I know, he doesn't

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face chargesness the United States. So, frankly, I think he wants to

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evade justice in Sweden, for the molestation and rape charges he has

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been accused of this there. That's his primary motive in my view.

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Johan Pehrson, the critical question about whether he might be

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extradited to the United States, is Sweden in a position to say not?

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have a law, the European Commission of human rights so we are

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prohibited to extradite anyone to a country where he can meet a death

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penalty so. I would say, it is a non-question. The important thing

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is that Julian Assange should meet these charges, answer the questions,

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and then it would not be any question in Sweden any more. It is

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still porks mightn't it, there can be a guarantee he won't receive the

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death penalty but still extradited to the US snust Sweden has a

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independent system and we have a strong record on human rights. The

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only thing we can say, independent courts, where he might be tried, if

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he is prosecuted, we have not yet reached that level, but he has been

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asked to come to us, we have a system and European system, and UK

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legal system, and this man, turns now to exdor and I think they have

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a - Ecuador and they have a worse record on human rights than other.

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I am concerned about Ecuadors record on this, and I'm not here to

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defend Ecuador's record on treatment on certain journalists.

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As a friend you must be anxious as he chooses his friends? Let stand

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back here, reporters without borders, every year does an index

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on freedom of speech, in that, Britain came 28th. America is

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falling and it is 48th. But Ecuador is 14 2nd. But we too, often

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present ourselves as only good in the world and the truth isn't the

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case. It is invasion for you, liberal democracy for you, torture

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for you, and something else for someone else. We immediate to get

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used to the idea that perhaps, we have dissidents within us, and

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within London someone has been given political asylum. We

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shouldn't be too sure. These are serious sexual charges he, sexual

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questions he faces? That's unclear. Obviously the Swedish thing is

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different. Swedish law on how they define rape is quite different. But,

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I wouldn't like to see anybody escape justice. But I believe

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Julian Assange is seeking justice, not running from it.

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What do you think will happen next? Do you think he's going to have to

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spend, time in the embarrassy? There could be a scenario he could

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be there for a long time. Is he good at tunneling? I don't think he

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can get out without the authorities agreeing to it. We can reflect on

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this a little bit and I don't think we have to be so angry and bitter

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about this. I think we have to look and see how this plays in a wider

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part of the world. You have to remember, Julian Assange, is

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popular in the rest of the world N Europe and the rest of the world,

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less so, because they have a battering in the press. India,

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there's 20 front pages on corruption, and I feel we need to

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be conscious about the perception in the wider world. Thank you very

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much. Tony Nicklinson, tells us his life is dull, miserable, demeaning,

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undignified and intolerable. Thanks to a stroke, seven years ago,

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he's able to communicate that misery, by blinking or by moving

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his head in a limited way. So limited is his ability to move,

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Tony Nicklinson would be physically unable to end his miserable life

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himself. So, he asked the High Court in London to rule that a

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doctor could help him die without the fear of prosecution for murder.

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The court said it was moved, but only Parliament could make such a

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major change in the law. Mr Nicklinson is still able to cry,

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and he wept when he heard the judgment. Absolutely ivering has to

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be done for me, feeding me, scratching an itch, cleaninging my

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nose, moving me, cleaning my teeth, washing and everything I cannot do

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it. His case, said the judge was deeply moving A legal and ethical

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question at the most difficult kind. But today, Tony Nicklinson lost the

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latest round in what is a long, legal battle. Disappointed. You can

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see from Tony's reaction, he is heart broken. We always knew it was

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a big ask, but, we've always hoped that, you know the judges would see

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sense and quite plainly they haven't.

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Mr Nicklinson, a 58-year-old father of two, was left almost completely

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paralysed after a stroke on a business trip, seven years ago. He

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now says the quality of his life is so poor, he wishes he'd never

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called for an am brilliance that day. This afternoon, he was asking

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the High Court to make a major change to the murder law in England

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and Wales. Mr Nicklinson's legal team was trying to use article

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eight of the European Convention on Human Rights to argue euthanasia

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should be a legally protected right. They wanted a guarantee that a

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doctor, here in this country, could end his life without the risk of

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prosecution. But, the judge today rejected those arguments, and

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dismissed the case of a second unnamed sufferer of locked in

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syndrome. He said a decision to allow the claims would have far-

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reaching consequences, it is not for the court to stkhrieed whether

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the law should be changed and what safeguards should be in place.

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Under our system of Government, these are matters for Parliament to

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decide. That decision was welcomeed, not just by pro-life groups you but

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disability charities and groups representing the medical profession.

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The problem here and reason why there is so much controversy, is

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balancing the tragic circumstances of people like Tony Nicklinson

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against the vastly greater number of people with, in his case, severe

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disability who find themselves, their lives valuable and yet

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threatened in the ethos created by our laws. Helping someone to kill

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themselves is legal, in a handful of countries. Most famously at the

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dig it's a clinic in Zurich, but also, in three US states and three

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EU countries, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. In the UK,

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assisted suicide, careies 16 year jail sentence. Whether that death

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takes place here or abroad. But the law itself isn't standing still. A

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number of legal challenges have forced the authorities to change

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the way they deal with these cases. MS sufferer, Debbie Purdy went to

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court in 2008. She won the case, forcing the direct lor of public

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prosecution toss issue new guidance. If a family member or friends acts

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with compassion to help someone die, then the case should now be dropped.

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In the last few moments to two victims of locked in syndrome, have

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lost their High Court battles, for the right to end their lives,

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when... Three years after her day in court, Debbie Purdy is watching

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today's verdict from her bedroom. Her MS has progressed unable to

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make her stand, move or write. doesn't want to go to Switzerland,

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and he doesn't have the drugs that will be fatal, or set things up to

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be able to take them. He needs help and support by somebody who knows

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what they're doing. She supports Tony Nicklinson's right to end his

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own life on his own terms. And she wants MPs to step in, with a new

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law to clarify the situation. What we need is a politicians to

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say, not how do we tweak an existing law to be not too bad, but

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rather, what do we need in the 21st century, to make sure that somebody

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like Tony, doesn't have to suffer unnecessarily.

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But, any new law on assisted suicide looks unlikely at the

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moment, with all politicians opposed. Instead the Nicklinson

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family say they'll take today's verdict to the Court of Appeal.

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Lauren, Nicklinson, Tony is your dad, he seems upset, how is sne

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He's devastated. Our legal team helped so far, but you can't help

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to get your hopes up, and we're all disappointed. We know the judges

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had a hard decision to make, but we're just sad they decide today go

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against us. We'll appeal, this isn't the end, we believe in what

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we're doing. Do you accept what the court was saying, had the court

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gone your way, it would be a big change in the law, and that's not

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the role of judges to do that, it must be Parliament? They say one

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thing, we argue the other. Our legal team, argue the opposite and

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we choose to follow them and believe what they say. We trust

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what they're doing. But, we know it is a really difficult, we've a big

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thing what we're doing, and asking a lot. But there has to be some way

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to do it. There has to be, we refuse there isn't. What is it like

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having Tony as a dad? That's a difficult question. The dad before

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all of this, was amazing, and me and my sister talk about dad as two

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different people. Whether it is right and wrong I don't know,

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really loud and hands on, he was a fantastic dad. Now we haven't got a

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relationship with him, because so much of what makes that father/

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daughter lies, is physical dis, it is down to the individual

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relationship. What me and dad would enjoy doing together we can't enjoy

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any more, like rugby, I don't know what he sounds like, I haven't

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heard his voice in seven years. What are his ofpgss, you will carry

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on with the legal process, but maybe perhaps starving to death?

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We're going to appeal and take this as far as we can. If we get to the

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stage where we can't take it further, and told no, he is

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considering starving himself. Because for him. Could you watch

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that happen? It won't be my decision, if that's what he wants,

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that's what we'll do t he would rather three months of the physical

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anguish and mental anguish of starving hix, rather than living 30

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years locked-in. What about you, your dad wants to die, if it was

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down to you, would you rather him alive? I would rather him walking

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and talking. Alive and dead? necessarily, no, because it is so

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painful, to see someone you love hurt every day and unable to do

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anything about it. When he dies, it will be more risk, but we will

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grieve and be OK, I know we will be. But for dad to face 30 years like

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this, that's sun enable. And I think in many ways, it will hurt

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less when he dies, rather than see him suffer. Given your concern

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about the suffering, have you and the family discussed about helping

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him die? It is not an option. No way, dad will let mum risk going to

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prison. At all, he would rather do 30 years, and know that his

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suffering would end but mum could spend the rest of her life, in

0:24:210:24:25

prison,not an option for us. What about you? No. I'm not strong

0:24:260:24:31

enough to do that. No way would I let my sister do that. Maybe we're

0:24:310:24:38

selfish, I don't know but... Stay with us, thank you very much. Now,

0:24:390:24:43

you are in a position, rather than most people, to understand, from a

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personal experience what he's going through. You had a stroke, and were

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severely incapacitated tell me about that? His a brain stem stroke.

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And I was unconscious for several days, and when I came out of it, I

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had a problem and because of my background, and my nature, I

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started a problem, set an objective, which at that time was to breathe,

0:25:170:25:22

and I proceeded to achieve it. Which was to concentrate on the die

0:25:230:25:27

fram. The problem was you couldn't move? You couldn't communicate in

0:25:270:25:32

any way? No. And even thinking at that time was exhausting. How long

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did it take you to get from that state, to the state you're in now?

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Well, I've been progressing for years, every little bit all the

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time. And I was it hospital for six months and I could walk on sticks

0:25:560:26:03

just about, when I left. And I went into rehab unit, for another six

0:26:030:26:06

months. And I improved a little bit while I was there. When you see,

0:26:070:26:10

Tony Nicklinson and you hear his arguments and you've heard his

0:26:100:26:18

daughter speak about his situation, what do you think? I feel I can

0:26:180:26:23

understand his feeling about being totally paralysed for seven years,

0:26:230:26:28

I should imagine it is terrible. But, as I was saying to his

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daughter earlier, I would like to try and help him develop a new

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brain path in the same way I did. Because, there is capacity in the

0:26:380:26:43

brain, and even though he's had a situation for seven years, there is

0:26:430:26:49

still that capacity in the brain. Stay with us, please, I want to

0:26:490:26:53

turn to you, Dr Andrew Ferguson from Care Not Killing. How do you

0:26:530:26:58

view what's happened to Tony Nicklinson today? Well let me make

0:26:580:27:02

the point first, every clinical situation is different. I don't

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think we can compare Graham with Tony, I don't think there will be

0:27:070:27:12

clinical improvement in Tony's case, I've seen reports and so on. I

0:27:120:27:17

don't think today's verdict was a surprise for either side. Tragic

0:27:170:27:22

though the situation is for Tony, we need to look at the big picture,

0:27:220:27:25

Care Not Killing exists partly to campaign against a change in the

0:27:250:27:30

law and encourage resources in careing, and encourage a change in

0:27:310:27:34

our attitudes to people with disabilities. All the major

0:27:340:27:38

disability rights groups are represented within us, disabled

0:27:380:27:44

people at large, see a change in the law as a very real threat.

0:27:440:27:49

it not possible, for our finest parliamentarians with the help of

0:27:490:27:52

the finest lawyers to draw up a bill that would make Tony

0:27:520:27:57

Nicklinson and the people in his situation happy, but also give the

0:27:570:28:01

protection you want to people who want to make sure they're not

0:28:010:28:04

bumped off against their will? fine parliamentarians in the

0:28:040:28:09

Scottish Parliament looked at this extensively in 2010, and in

0:28:090:28:14

November on that year, they voted by 85-16 against changing the law.

0:28:150:28:18

And that happens when law-makers and those with real responsibility

0:28:180:28:23

look at this issue in the round. It is reas well to talk about Holland

0:28:230:28:28

but most countries haven't legislated for that, half a dozen

0:28:280:28:31

countries have denied euthanasia legislation in the last couple of

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years. Let's talk about Tony, are we saying, that he has to carry on

0:28:370:28:42

suffering in a way he doesn't want to, he wants to die, for if you

0:28:420:28:47

like the greater public good? That's one way of putting it. My

0:28:470:28:53

own hope is. You can put it a nicer way, but isn't that where we're at?

0:28:530:28:57

We are at that point because we can't just look at Tony alone or

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his family, we have to look at other people with his condition.

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There's a study from France, 65 patients with lock-ined syndrome,

0:29:070:29:12

British Medical Journal, 72% were happy with life and 7% of them

0:29:130:29:16

seriously thought about suicide. I'm not blaming Tony when I say

0:29:160:29:20

that, he is who he is, but most people come to terms with these

0:29:200:29:25

things. What do you say to those arguments? We say each to their own.

0:29:260:29:30

Research looks at samples, how long ago was it, were there religious

0:29:300:29:36

attitudes as part of that, because if there was, we're an atheist

0:29:360:29:42

family and we don't like any state or religious attitude put upon us,

0:29:420:29:46

research is research, you can poke holes in most research. Dad wants

0:29:460:29:51

to die, again, we are speaking on behalf of him, and not on the

0:29:510:29:53

behalf of the disabled community. There are others who want this as

0:29:530:29:57

well, we know that. I really struggle to believe there isn't, in

0:29:570:30:02

the country we are in, such an advanced country, there is not

0:30:020:30:06

something that can be done to make it possible for dad. I really

0:30:060:30:09

struggle. Thank you. Thank you all very much.

0:30:090:30:15

In South Africa, police have opened fire on workers who were on strike

0:30:150:30:19

from a platinum mine. Video footage from the incident has caused quite

0:30:190:30:29
0:30:290:30:51

The BBC's Milton Nkosi has been telling me what happened?

0:30:510:30:59

miners who belong to a newly formed militant union had been demanding a

0:30:590:31:09

pay hike from the mine amendment which is the plaitium mines. The

0:31:090:31:12

rival National Union of Mineworkers, which is a long-standing union of

0:31:130:31:17

miners here, were separate from them. They are not taking part in

0:31:170:31:26

this paid dispute. And these miners were acknowledge mow, were carrying

0:31:260:31:31

sticks and machetes and some firearms, and the police were

0:31:310:31:36

holding a line between miners and operation area of the mine, and

0:31:360:31:41

that's when the shooting began. But this actually began a week before.

0:31:410:31:45

Last week, there was violence, ten people were killed including two

0:31:450:31:50

policemen. Sthool so what's been reaction to this violence and these

0:31:500:31:55

death? The DS, Democratic Alliance, official opposition here have been

0:31:550:32:05
0:32:050:32:06

saying that this is now needs to be called the mine mine inquiry. And

0:32:060:32:09

the national police commissioner has driven through the area and

0:32:090:32:14

hopefully will get more details, and a proper investigation as to

0:32:140:32:20

what exactly led to this killing, this afternoon. Milton Nkosi thank

0:32:200:32:24

you. The narrative in Syria, these days is pretty familiar to us.

0:32:240:32:28

We've seen the violence, we heard the conflicting accounts of what's

0:32:280:32:33

is going on and watched people flee to safety across the border. What

0:32:330:32:37

must all this look like to the people, who 18 months ago were

0:32:370:32:40

first to call a demonstration on the streets of Damascus. Sue Lloyd

0:32:400:32:47

Roberts has been hearing about three of them. Damascus, January,

0:32:470:32:54

2011. A group of young Syrians, posed an invitation on Facebook, to

0:32:540:32:59

their friends to have a demonstration outside the Egyptian

0:32:590:33:04

embassy. Matar was one of them. Tunisians had been freed, Egyptians

0:33:050:33:11

were on their way, we thought it was our turn to be tree too.

0:33:110:33:16

Only Syrian-friendly Russian TV recorded the gathering. Which

0:33:160:33:20

included Muslims and Christians. They had aeed declared their

0:33:200:33:28

support for the demonstrators in Cairo, but then, they went too far.

0:33:280:33:33

We sat we chanted and lit candles, we sang the National Anthem and

0:33:330:33:39

other similar songs, and then, maybe less than an hour later, one

0:33:390:33:46

of them, more enthusiastic parts of the crowds started chanting the

0:33:460:33:50

wind of change has blown, and that is when the security approached us

0:33:500:33:55

and said you have to stop now and you have to leave.

0:33:550:33:59

Some were arrested, cameras seized and told criticism of the Syrian

0:33:590:34:06

Government would noten tolerated. It was a warning of what was to

0:34:060:34:13

come. I've spent the last few weeks tracking those who took part in the

0:34:130:34:17

demonstration, post are in Syria, in hiding, filming when they can,

0:34:170:34:22

and fighting. Some are dead and others have threed to watch the

0:34:220:34:28

drama taking place in their country, from abroad. I started my search in

0:34:280:34:35

Germany. Where a charity have given a mayor refuge after he fled from

0:34:350:34:43

He now lives in a village near cologne, he explained after the

0:34:430:34:49

first demonstration he attended many more, and the Military Police

0:34:490:34:54

came looking for him. He went into hiding, and they arrested his

0:34:540:35:00

father to get at him. Only when he left the country his father was

0:35:000:35:05

released. TRANSLATION: When I came to Europe,

0:35:050:35:10

I was amazed by the way people live here. I realised we are living in

0:35:100:35:16

hell in Syria. We dream of getting rid of this tyrant, President al-

0:35:160:35:24

Assad, most people have not had his father or brother arrested. He is

0:35:240:35:29

suffocating us. Exsield Syrians gather in for lorn

0:35:290:35:35

groups all over Europe. Here Amer Matar's friends includes Sunnis,

0:35:350:35:40

and Kurds. They speak of their ideaism when united they believe

0:35:400:35:48

they could use peaceful protest to bring about change. Amer Matar

0:35:480:35:54

blames the regime for militaryising their struggle. It was the Houla

0:35:540:35:58

massacre in May that convinced him a peaceful, political solution was

0:35:580:36:03

no longer possible. More than a hundred people were killed, mainly

0:36:030:36:10

women and children. The UN blamed the Syrian army, and the regime's

0:36:100:36:20

thugs, the notorious Shab iha. Who is responsible for the deaths

0:36:200:36:22

recorded. TRANSLATION: You don't need to look

0:36:220:36:26

at the pictures of the massacre at Houla, you just need to think of

0:36:260:36:30

the numbers of dead, just the numbers make us say, that enough is

0:36:300:36:35

enough. We have no option, the only way to get rid of these monsters is

0:36:350:36:45
0:36:450:36:47

I went to America, to a university in New York state to follow the

0:36:470:36:53

story of another of the group who organised that first demonstration.

0:36:540:37:02

At the end of last year, a Christian from Damascus, signed up

0:37:020:37:08

along with fellow students, Daniel, from New Mexico, LAna and Valerie

0:37:080:37:17

from Lebanon to hon his skills as a film maker. He had been making a

0:37:170:37:23

documentary back home on how conflict is affecting the children

0:37:230:37:27

of Homs. How orphans whose parents had been killed in the uprising

0:37:270:37:37
0:37:370:37:44

Because of his work, he was arrested several times and fled

0:37:440:37:54
0:37:540:37:55

abroad, where he was awarded a full bright skol harship in New York. So

0:37:550:38:00

Lana Hijazi was asked to study here ala celebrated university all

0:38:000:38:05

expenses paid and chance to escape his country, which was on the brink

0:38:050:38:10

of civil war. But, his friends explain, he couldn't stay.

0:38:100:38:16

Having witnessed what he has witnessed, I think it was just

0:38:160:38:20

unsettling to him that people can live life calmly and quiet. Do you

0:38:200:38:23

think he was right to go back sthifplt for him it was out of the

0:38:230:38:28

question to live his life normally, and wake up, have his coffee and go

0:38:280:38:33

to class, while other people are struggling and dying it. This is

0:38:330:38:39

how he saw it, it may be wrong or right. I don't think it is guilt

0:38:390:38:44

but love. I have the same situation in my country, in a different way.

0:38:440:38:48

We always say the world is watching what is happening and not doing

0:38:480:38:52

anything. So we didn't want to be part of the world, who is watching

0:38:520:39:01

and not doing anything. He went back to Homs to make

0:39:010:39:06

another film. Describing the reality of living in a city

0:39:060:39:16
0:39:160:39:31

bombarded by heavy weapons now for With snipers on the rooftops, he

0:39:310:39:36

shows how hard it is for people to get just from one side of a street

0:39:360:39:44

to the other. It is him, we can see him, and hear him breathing. I can

0:39:440:39:53

imagine the fear he was feeling. did make it to the other side. But

0:39:530:39:58

was later killed by a Siran Government army on the house he was

0:39:580:40:08
0:40:080:40:15

sheltering in. He was 28. - Syrian. Those of his friends still in the

0:40:150:40:19

country, came together outside his local church in Damascus to mourn

0:40:200:40:26

the death of a young film maker. ? The priest tried to hold a

0:40:260:40:30

service for him in the church, but the authorities refused.

0:40:300:40:35

In his funeral the ones who prayed from him are from different

0:40:360:40:39

religions, it doesn't matter if you pray in a mosque or church for him.

0:40:390:40:44

It was so touching to see Syria this way, because this is why

0:40:440:40:48

they're dying, a better life, not a country shredded into parts and

0:40:480:40:53

religions. But it was sad because he deserves more than this, in his

0:40:530:41:03
0:41:030:41:07

death and funeral and he couldn't The third of our pioneer

0:41:070:41:16

demonstrators still lives in Syria. Mia travelled from Damascus to

0:41:160:41:23

across the border this Lebanon. We met in a tourist site which is now

0:41:230:41:29

deserted, and we hoped without the Syrian spies who are found this

0:41:290:41:34

more crowded areas. Thinking back to that first demonstration, she

0:41:350:41:40

can't believe how quickly her country disintergrated? We were

0:41:400:41:45

hoping for something similar to the way the Egyptian his organised

0:41:450:41:48

their revolution. There would be a civil movement, similar to that

0:41:480:41:54

that took place in Egypt and we would be able to organise on the

0:41:540:42:00

long-run, something similar. But we were thinking in terms of few years,

0:42:000:42:04

the more optimistic people were thinking a few months, no-one

0:42:040:42:09

thought it was a few weeks time. We were overwhelmed wit violent

0:42:090:42:14

reaction of the regime. She doesn't show her face and uses a false name.

0:42:140:42:21

Because she too is a film maker, trying to document the human

0:42:210:42:30

tragedy. Where is your father, she asks this boy is this In prison,

0:42:300:42:38

why? I don't know, he says. Mia had been arrested like all those who

0:42:380:42:44

organised the first demonstration. I think almost all of us have been

0:42:450:42:54

arrested at some point and released. Including the other girls, if not

0:42:540:43:01

once, then several tiles. You never know when you need to flee. You're

0:43:010:43:05

always ready, your papers are ready, and you expect that one day or the

0:43:050:43:10

other the phone call will come or knock on the door will come and

0:43:100:43:20

you'll have to flee. Now she seeing the fighting at home, the Army are

0:43:200:43:28

attacking the suburbs of Damascus. Too many helicopters going around,

0:43:280:43:30

random shots, snipers over buildings, shooting everything that

0:43:300:43:35

moved. I zpt notice when the shot came in, because the window was

0:43:350:43:40

open, so there was no broken glass, and there was so much random

0:43:400:43:45

shooting and bombing, the sounds were insane, coy not tell that it

0:43:450:43:49

was in my bedroom. I woke up the next morning and realised there was

0:43:500:43:59

a hole in the wall above my bed. After our interview, Mia returned

0:43:590:44:04

to Damascus to work, but with the fear of arrest or being killed.

0:44:040:44:09

Before she left I asked her what she would wish for her country?

0:44:090:44:13

would like to wake up tomorrow and not find a sing of one of them.

0:44:130:44:20

That - single one of them, that would be perfect. Back at the

0:44:200:44:27

university, they're planning a memorial for next month. Meanwhile

0:44:270:44:32

they watch events in Syria, in despair. What is happening is

0:44:320:44:37

people crushed silently, without anybody being able to do anything

0:44:370:44:45

for them h And Amer? He says he's going back.

0:44:450:44:49

TRANSLATION: I am definitely ready to die and my friends and many of

0:44:490:44:57

the Syrian people are prepared to risk death just to see Saaad to go.

0:44:570:45:04

I am definitely ready to die for this. Bf we go the publishers of

0:45:040:45:09

The Dandy, confirmed today its days in print are numbered. It has an

0:45:090:45:12

on-line presence but the final edition will be in December. Let's

0:45:120:45:17

have a look at the final edition, and desperate Dan is on the front

0:45:170:45:20

page enjoying a holiday, though in the strip itself, his head is eaten

0:45:200:45:29

bay shark. On the front. A chance bay shark. On the front. A chance

0:45:290:45:35

to win a ride and bouncey castle.. Now to the newspapers. Guardian

0:45:350:45:39

goes with Julian Assange story, various people on the front

0:45:390:45:46

claiming to be Julian Assange. The Times, also has the Assange story

0:45:460:45:54

and those A-level results, Tom Daily doing well. In the Telegraph,

0:45:540:46:00

no picture of young women jumping up and down because of the A-level

0:46:000:46:08

results but Tom Daly. Gove overall advice from his independent experts

0:46:080:46:14

to force through the sale of the school playing fields. And the

0:46:140:46:19

Independent, well its front page is one of our stories tonight, the

0:46:190:46:24

headline "a fate worse than death" moment Tony Nicklinson heard that

0:46:240:46:32

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