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Tonight the darkness that leads There's nothing new in the idea of | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
Baby Blues, but one in five may suffer from postpartum psychosis | :00:24. | :00:29. | |
with catastrophic consequences for some. I started getting unpleasant | :00:29. | :00:39. | |
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the stairs. I was just so my boy. In Newsnight exclusive, | :00:45. | :00:55. | |
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we'll see how the problems can be three days. We'll ask what more can | :01:01. | :01:11. | |
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thought British men had peculiar pregnancy. If it is legitimate rape, | :01:21. | :01:27. | |
they can shut that down. We'll see how the views can be used | :01:27. | :01:35. | |
by the Democrats. Rape is rape. borrowing going up, big economic | :01:35. | :01:45. | |
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minds have advice for the Prime you lose touch with reality, | :01:59. | :02:09. | |
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case it is can lead to a mother recognise the symptoms, but women | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
who have suffered from it, are trying to change this. Newsnight | :02:16. | :02:26. | |
have been given access to the lives shortly after coming birth. The | :02:26. | :02:36. | |
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I was just so frightened, I didn't want to hurt my boy. I knew | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
somebody had to help me. Women are more at risk of severe | :02:46. | :02:53. | |
mental illness after giving birth than any time in their lives. One | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
day I thought about doing it, about smothering the boys while they had | :02:58. | :03:05. | |
their lunch time sleep. This woman did kill her baby and then herself. | :03:05. | :03:11. | |
What I saw that night, my beautiful wife and daughter, even now, I | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
can't come prehend that. We've been extraordinary access to the lives | :03:16. | :03:26. | |
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of three women, who all became ill, Shelley Blanchard's baby is due in | :03:34. | :03:41. | |
the next few weeks, and she's come into her final checkup. But it is | :03:41. | :03:50. | |
not the baby that medical staff are It is her. One in ten new mothers | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
suffer from post-natal depression, but shelly is at risk something | :03:56. | :04:03. | |
Postpartum psychosis. Mental health problems of varying degrees will | :04:03. | :04:09. | |
affect one in four of us at some pointed in our lives. But women | :04:09. | :04:17. | |
given birth are susceptible to the most serious illness. I'm scared, | :04:17. | :04:23. | |
emotional now. I'm scared I'm going to harm the baby, or, I've read | :04:23. | :04:29. | |
some things that ,, sorry, I've read some things that women think | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
the baby is talking to them and telling them to do things and that | :04:34. | :04:40. | |
the baby will get taken away from me, that's my biggest fear. It is | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
not known what causes postpartum psychosis, but the massive more | :04:44. | :04:50. | |
mopbl changes that follow child birth are thought to play a | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
significant role. How are you well, since the last time I saw you? | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
Mood-wise, I'm agitated, sleep pattern is terrible. One in 500 | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
women who have given birth will suffer from postpartum psychosis. | :05:04. | :05:14. | |
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And it can strike out of the blue. The majority of women who have a | :05:14. | :05:23. | |
post postpartum psychosis or very, very severe depression illness, | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
will have no risk factors, they have no family history or past | :05:28. | :05:34. | |
illness, there is a proportion of women who you can predict. Shelley | :05:34. | :05:40. | |
Blanchard has buy polar disorder and means she's a one in two chance | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
of becoming severely ill after having her baby. Everyone looking | :05:44. | :05:51. | |
after her, knows they need to be alert. Dr Nick Best is a | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
psychiatrist. Who specialises in caring for pregnant women and new | :05:56. | :06:03. | |
mothers with mental health problems. OK, a long time no see, since I saw | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
you. He will be seeing Shelley Blanchard regularly over the few | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
months and she gets home visits from the community psychiatric | :06:11. | :06:17. | |
nurse. When the mood change happens, if it is, it can be rapid, so | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
that's where the eyes and ears of the midwife and health visitor is | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
helpful. If we got a call from anybody who expressed concern, we'd | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
come out immediately. Cool. It is the speed with which | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
the condition develops, together with the severity which makes it | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
dangerous. A person can move from being relatively ameanable and | :06:41. | :06:47. | |
understanding of a situation, to floridly unwell, psychotic, | :06:47. | :06:57. | |
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delusional and paranoid, in the Daksha Emson knows how serious, | :07:02. | :07:12. | |
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postpartum psychosis can be. I know about 5.30 or so, and, as I got to | :07:12. | :07:21. | |
the front door, I smelt a burning smell, normally I'd call out, honey | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
I'm home and she replied that she's here, and "oh Dave, ""and I'd hear | :07:27. | :07:37. | |
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the baby babbleling away. It was Wait until you have another one. Oh. | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
When Dave's daughter, fraya was three months old his wife stabbed | :07:55. | :08:02. | |
her and then set both herself and baby on fire in their bedroom. | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
Daksha Emson died from her burns three weeks later. She'd left a | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
note. "Dave I'm absolutely convinced now of bad forces being | :08:12. | :08:22. | |
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at work here. Our baby has to be protected from these forces... And | :08:29. | :08:37. | |
I'm going to protect her. I love her, she means everything to me. | :08:37. | :08:46. | |
And I'll do whatever I can to protect her from evil" It is only | :08:46. | :08:54. | |
now, 12 years since Daksha Emson's death that Dave can sort ourt her | :08:54. | :09:00. | |
text books, she studied psychiatry, and she was about to be a | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
consultant when she died. But few people knew about her condition. | :09:04. | :09:10. | |
She was afraid of the stigma. The inquiry into her death led to new | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
guidelines in the NHS, for the treatment of staff with mental | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
illness. Dave's writing a book about her story to help other | :09:19. | :09:26. | |
people in similar situations. Primarily, it is to speak to me, | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
speak to brothers and sisters, people that are suffering, fellow | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
mental health workers, people that are suffering with mental health | :09:35. | :09:45. | |
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conditions, that you are not alone Shelley Blanchard is about to give | :09:51. | :10:01. | |
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birth. Shelley's husband is in the Army, but he is able to come home | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
for a few weeks, and he is worried about what will happen to her after | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
the birth. It is not Baby Blues, is it, it is quite sieve, worst case | :10:14. | :10:20. | |
scenario, I could end up without a wife and child. So yeah, it is | :10:20. | :10:27. | |
worrying, but the fact that we're already, the knowledge that we have | :10:27. | :10:34. | |
enables us to understand or look for any signs of it. And with her | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
network of medical carers, it is unbelieveable the amount of people | :10:38. | :10:47. | |
she's got caring for her. Shelley's labour has gone on for two days, | :10:47. | :10:57. | |
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Hello little man. Her teenager son That very first evening she starts | :11:15. | :11:25. | |
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her anti-psychotic drugs. How are you coping emotionally? Doing | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
really well. I'm happy to have olive. He's just so gorgeous. | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
Oliver is a week old, Shelley is relaxed and happy with the support | :11:35. | :11:42. | |
she's getting. But Lee is going back to Northern Ireland soon. | :11:42. | :11:50. | |
boy. Hello, Best it is Shelley Blanchard here, I'm aware you're on | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
leave, but I wondered if you could give me a call because I'm feeling | :11:56. | :12:02. | |
unwell at the moment, thank you. Shelley's mood has begun to drop. | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
She's stopped taking the drugs because they make her drowsy, she | :12:07. | :12:16. | |
knows she needs help. That would be enough to get rid of an elephant. | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
It is scary. Especially feeling the way I'm feeling A few weeks later, | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
she's admitted to a special unit in Winchester, where mothers and their | :12:25. | :12:34. | |
babies can be kept safe during treatment. I started getting | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
unpleas isn't thoughts about Oliver. About wanting to hurt him. Dropping | :12:40. | :12:46. | |
him on purpose, and throwing him down the stairs. I was just so | :12:46. | :12:53. | |
frightened, I didn't want to hurt my boy. And I knew somebody had to | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
help me. But the thoughts were getting stronger and more frequent. | :12:59. | :13:08. | |
So, I had to tell somebody. I had to get some help. OK I have your | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
methods here. Will I put them in your hand. | :13:14. | :13:24. | |
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Sometimes I feel lost being in here. I feel lonely sometimes. But Lee | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
comes in to see me every day, that's nice. It is nice to have a | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
visitor. Because it breaks up the day a little bit. Otherwise they | :13:35. | :13:43. | |
could be long and drawn out With postpartum psychosis still poorly | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
understood, and frequently misdiagnosed, psychiatristness | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
mental health workers are here to listen to to a woman who has been | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
through it herself. I became psychotic a few days leaving | :13:59. | :14:04. | |
hospital, when late one night, having just fed Finlay, who was | :14:04. | :14:10. | |
still very much in the cast iron grip of feeding routine, I faced | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
his sleeping body down on the bed and my brain snapped. It felt like | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
somebody had flicked a switch in my head. I looked at him and was | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
filled with an urge to kill him. I put my hand around his tiny neck, | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
not strong enough to hold his own head and began to squeeze. I wasn't | :14:29. | :14:37. | |
trying to harm him, I knew I musdont that, but I want to know | :14:37. | :14:42. | |
whether I was capable, and whether it is true or not, I convinced | :14:42. | :14:48. | |
myself I was. Jo, head of maths, became ill after her senged son was | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
born. She'd never suffered mental health problems before and I was | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
terrified her children would be taken away. | :14:53. | :14:59. | |
She decided her only way out was to commit suicide, and take Tom and | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
Finn with her. One day I thought about doing it about smothering the | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
boys while they had their lunch time sleep. I was met particular | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
lus in my thinking, I had to make sure the boys and dog were dead | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
before my own life, because I couldn't survive if they didn't. | :15:18. | :15:24. | |
is fully recovered now. But she's spent more than six months in a | :15:24. | :15:32. | |
secure psychiatric hospital while her husband cared for the boys. Jo | :15:32. | :15:38. | |
feels compelled to raise awareness of the condition, particularly with | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
health workers. Women are dying sixly because they had a baby, | :15:43. | :15:51. | |
which, shouldn't be happening. And, I feel, very strongly that because | :15:51. | :15:59. | |
I came so close to losing my life, that, I am in a position to be able | :15:59. | :16:06. | |
to talk about the extremes of the illness. And a lot of sufferers, | :16:06. | :16:16. | |
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Oliver is now five months old and both he and Shelly are doing well. | :16:31. | :16:39. | |
If it wasn't able to go in the unit I think that I probably would have | :16:39. | :16:48. | |
ended up taking an overdose. Possibly killing myself. Because I | :16:48. | :16:58. | |
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It is such a dark time. But out of that dark time I've managed to | :16:59. | :17:05. | |
learn a little bit more about missile and I think to come out of | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
it, and - myself and I think to come out of it and feel so happy, | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
I'm actually feeling really well now, I feel I could possibly say I | :17:16. | :17:24. | |
feel fantastic. Well I'm joipd by Jo Lyall who you saw in the report | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
and Dr Nisha Shah a consultant psychiatrist, who runs a service in | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
north London. Thanks very much for talking about this publicly. | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
What do you think mothers and health care professionals most need | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
to know about this? I think they need to know it exists. Because | :17:42. | :17:49. | |
there is so little awareness amongst mothers, well amongst the | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
general public and health professionals. And I think it was | :17:52. | :17:58. | |
very clear the lady who had bipolar, Shelley, they have a team looking | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
out for her. And that doesn't happen for other women. If they | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
haven't an existing mental health problem. Lots and lots of people | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
around me realised something was wrong and said, would say to me or | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
my husband, something is with Jo, my mum said it seems somebody else | :18:18. | :18:24. | |
in inside her body but none of us thought I was ill. Presumably you | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
were told by health care professionals, about physical | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
things that could go wrong about child birth but not mental side? | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
woman is more likely to have a mental health problem, than any | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
physical health problem. It is the biggest health problem that women | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
in the perinatal period are likely to suffer. | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
Dr Nisha Shah, the there remains a stigma with all mental health | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
problems, particularly with child birth and children, you're supposed | :18:55. | :19:01. | |
to be happy, and if you're not it is perhaps more of a stigma? That's | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
right, exactly what Jo is saying, to raise awareness is impeded by | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
people's fear what will happen when they present with a problem, that | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
is out of the range of what is considered to be normal. There's a | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
real anxiety, that we hear about things like baby P, we know about | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
what happens when children are mistreated and all mothers worry | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
about not treating their children properly and being separated by | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
them and that prevents people coming forward. What do you do with | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
health care professionals, saying you have to be aware of it and | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
sensitive to it and you're there to help, not to intervene, and protect | :19:39. | :19:46. | |
the child, but help the mother? think, perinatal health services, | :19:46. | :19:55. | |
that have slowly started growing, since, really the tragic death of | :19:55. | :20:02. | |
Dr Emson in 2000, bring it in their remit. That's what we do, making | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
sure maternity department, at the Whittington, we spend training | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
midwives and obstetricians, making sure everybody knows that mental | :20:10. | :20:15. | |
health problems are very common, that they are very, very treatable, | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
and that there are services, in some place, that exist to try and | :20:19. | :20:24. | |
help people deal with them. Did you feel the stig marks and | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
feel you should lied it? How did it creep up on you, how did you become | :20:28. | :20:35. | |
aware you had to start talking about it? Well, first I hid it for | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
months, because having a baby is supposed to be a joyful time. I | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
started to have delusions I was evil and not supposed to be a | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
mother, how do you tell anybody that, when you believe it so | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
completely that, well, I actually believefy told anybody, the boys | :20:50. | :20:56. | |
would be adopted and I would be put into prison, even though I did | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
nothing wrong. And I just had a moment of clarity, one day, and | :21:00. | :21:06. | |
realised I needed help. This was some months after I'd become ill. | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
What Dr Nisha Shah was saying, was it difficult to ask for help, not | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
because of the stigma, but because the boys might be taken away? | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
was, I had no idea how ill I was. I lost all sense of reality, I went | :21:20. | :21:26. | |
to the GP, and said I made plans to kill myself, the dog and myself, I | :21:26. | :21:32. | |
think I may be ill. That was Monday, by Friday, I was a patient on a | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
psychiatric unit, without my babies. But, it is treatable, that's the | :21:38. | :21:44. | |
whole point? It is, it is not always straightforward. Because | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
we're all individuals, and different treatments work better | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
with different women. And it didn't help I went months before I had any | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
treatment at all. That definitely complicated things a lot. But, | :21:58. | :22:04. | |
there are psychological interventions, medication, and I | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
was treated eventually with ECT, and that was what cured me, and | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
cured my psychosis. But, there will problems with each. Obviously ECT | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
is controversial and there are problems associated with it, but | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
when it works it is successful. Medication, has all sorts of side | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
effects. You could see from the film, that one of them is | :22:26. | :22:32. | |
unprecedented weight gain. And in six months in hospital, I put on | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
five stone. It is extraordinary. And psychological intervention | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
sometimes aren't enough, you need some sort of chemical intervention | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
as well. There's problems with each, but using a combination of them all, | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
it's possible to have a full recovery. We said earlier in the | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
report, that it is treatable, and it is also, sometimes, you can | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
predict it. But sometimes presumably you can't, and it creeps | :22:58. | :23:08. | |
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up on people? Yes. Postpartum psychosis is a subtype really. It | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
is found it emxass many things and there's a blurring between Baby | :23:13. | :23:22. | |
Blues, which is not an illness it is something dirve. It is common? | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
50-60% first time mothers will experience that, but that's not | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
what we're concerned about, there's awareness and knowledge, to be able | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
to differentiate babey blues from post-natal depression, post-natal | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
depression from postpartum psychosis which is a different | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
illness, and therefore, does require a different set of | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
treatments. OK, but thank you very much and | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
we'll hear a lot about that. Now, if you want details of | :23:46. | :23:52. | |
organisations, which offer advice and support on postpartum psychosis | :23:52. | :24:02. | |
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Now, if the coalition Government stands for one thing it is to | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
improve the economy. A central plank of that is to reduce | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
borrowing, as Opposition leader, David Cameron coin cyst tantly | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
argued you do not borrow your way out of a debt crisis. While one | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
month's borrowing figures are �600 million deficit for July may not | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
demonstrate that everything has gone hay wire, politically it is | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
bad news for the Government and in particular, George Osborne. | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
Newsnight heard rumblings that spending cuts had been considered | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
for the Autumn. We explore the Chancellor's options in a moment. | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
First, David Grossman with the extent of the problem. Very | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
carefully the Chancellor plotted a route out of deficit. Unfortunately, | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
the journey time has already had to be revised up once and now he is in | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
danger of having to do it again. The latest figures show the | :25:06. | :25:11. | |
Government borrowed �600 million last month. That is up 3.4 billion | :25:11. | :25:17. | |
on the same month last year, then there was a surplus of 4.2 billion. | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
Normally, in fact all but two of the 50 years, July has been a | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
banker of the month for the Treasury, and they can expect for | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
surplus because of income and corporate tax receipts. In July | :25:30. | :25:35. | |
this didn't happen. Corporate tax receipts so far has been going | :25:35. | :25:42. | |
slowly, relative to what the RBR is expecting in March. Today we see | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
the fecked of four large installments T reflects the | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
profitable of company, and the July receipts reflect the first payment | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
of profits on 2012, which suggests companies are less profitable this | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
year than was expected. Another factor was the closure of the he | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
will begin gas field, leading to lower than expected revenues from | :26:02. | :26:09. | |
the North Sea. Well they shoal that there are plane challenges for the | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
UK economy. They are difficult figures, but they show how | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
important it is to stick to the plan, to deal responsibly with | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
Britain's debts and not to add more to that. So, if you look at into | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
the figures what you see, driving them, I think, is a decrease in tax | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
receipt, mainly corporation tax, with an interesting factor in the | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
North Sea. As I say, what the figures really show is the | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
importance of sticking to the plan this Government has set out. | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
Treasury has a feeling of great solidity about it, but, when it | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
comes to the numbers upon which it bases Government policy, well, a | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
little more spongey. It is a noteable feature of this recession | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
that almost every set of Government projections, with time, begins to | :26:53. | :27:01. | |
look like the work of a wild-eyed optimist. For example, back in June, | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
2010, the Office for Budget Responsibility forecast for the | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
current year, we'd been borrowing �89 billion. That was revised in | :27:07. | :27:13. | |
March, 2011, to �101 billion and March 2012, the forecast had gone | :27:13. | :27:19. | |
up again, to �120 billion. And that could still be optimism, because | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
the first three months of this year, we're �10 billion behind where we | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
should be. Suggesting to some, that we could be looking at a total | :27:29. | :27:36. | |
deficit of a year, of �1670 billion. Or about 80% higher than the 2010 | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
initial forecast. Well these are serious figures, and | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
they suggest that the central goal of George Osborne to reduce the | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
deficit, has not just not happened, but going the wrong way, he's | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
adding to the deficit, these borrowing figures are going higher, | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
and it is because he's driven us back in recession, and we have such | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
expensive costs of welfare benefits and keeping people on the dole | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
rather than seeing them in work and paying back into the xeck ker. It | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
is a failure of George Osborne's planning and he needs to change | :28:07. | :28:13. | |
course right now. So, what happens now? In Thais economic times, the | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
political rumour mill is in overdrive. A little while back it | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
was George Osborne's going to lose his job. Now, Newsnight hearse | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
rumblings that the Treasury has ordered new Government cuts, every | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
department to do their share for an emergency budget statement in the | :28:30. | :28:35. | |
Autumn. That may turn out to be nonsense, but what is true, is that | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
the politics of this get harder and harder for the Government. Some | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
Conservatives for example, point out that the Chancellor hasn't even | :28:44. | :28:49. | |
started down the road of cutting Increased. | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
There have been individual areas where there have been difficult and | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
painful cuts. But overall, there's been a big expansion of public | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
spending in cash terms and increase ever are I year in real terms. We | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
have to accept for a bit we can't have increaseness spending and we | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
have to try and keep it under better control and renew our attack | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
upon the costs of Government itself, because that would be the most | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
popular way of doing it. Government is deliberately pursuing policies | :29:16. | :29:21. | |
raising energy costs for example, it is watered down the proposals | :29:21. | :29:26. | |
forever planning liberal sedation, it is not moving rapidly as far as | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
Labour market is concerned, it imposed a lot of New Labour market | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
regulation upon employers, and yes it does need to take a closer look | :29:35. | :29:41. | |
at the policies and reverse them. So, how much longer will the jourpy | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
time wack to budget surplus be? And crucially is the Chancellor going | :29:46. | :29:52. | |
to have to step on the accelerator. David Grossman, well no-one from | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
the Treasury team was available to come on the programme tonight. We | :29:56. | :30:05. | |
did ask. We could have a couple of fine economic minds with us. Port | :30:05. | :30:15. | |
:30:15. | :30:21. | ||
port port and - portsport ports, is worrying, 26% ahead of where we | :30:21. | :30:27. | |
thought we'd be. It is back in deficit in 2009. It could be a | :30:28. | :30:34. | |
blip? It is a big blip though. Actually a lot of damage being done. | :30:34. | :30:39. | |
All kinds of things are not working out as hoped. Basically the | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
Chancellor started off as Government betting on growth, and | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
no actual cuts to get rid of the deficit. The growth was never | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
likely to happen, hasn't happened, and so we just stacking up more and | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
more debt. The issue which nobody is very comfortable about is how | :30:57. | :31:02. | |
long can we stack that debt up. What do you make of the figures | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
think as the Treasury secretary said, they're volatile from month | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
to month. The underlying picture is this is what you would expect when | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
the economy is flat. We have had essentially no growth for the last | :31:14. | :31:19. | |
18 months. Where I would differ with John, is this that is at least, | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
in part a direct result of over rapid fiscal consolidation, | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
unnecessary cuts to the deficit too quickly, have actually in one of | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
the reasons why we have no growth, and that in turn, meant the deficit | :31:31. | :31:37. | |
hasn't come down as quickly as the Chancellor hoped. Let's look at | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
simplistic terms, the two possibilities is one is, is there | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
scope, because borrowing costs are low, to borrow more and have a big | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
stimulus, do you think that would work? That's clearly possible. | :31:46. | :31:52. | |
Remember, that. Advisable? Both, one thing we do know is when we | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
listen to what onsays, and what the Treasury Minister say, is that two | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
years ago, they said if we went on borrowing as we were, interest | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
rates would soar, the credit agencies would down grade us, we | :32:04. | :32:10. | |
would have to call in IMF, what happened? We're now borrowing, more, | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
than was forecast before the Chancellor introduced figurecal | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
consolidation programme. Not less but more. What happened? Well, | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
interest rates, compared to where they are two years, are | :32:22. | :32:25. | |
considerably lower than they were divo years ago. We can afford to | :32:25. | :32:32. | |
borrow more, and we should. I don't disagree with you. The reality is | :32:32. | :32:37. | |
we don't know, when foreign investors, in gilts will panic. We | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
don't know when interest rates go out of control. We've tested all | :32:40. | :32:46. | |
kinds of things in the economy, with masses of quantity Tateive | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
easing, very lose credit, nobody knows where that ends, accept it | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
must end in higher interest rates, and it must end in inflation. Maybe | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
years away, and you may be right in a year or two, you can get away | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
with spending and trying to stimulate the way out of it. If you | :33:03. | :33:08. | |
do that, remember what you're doing is immoral. You are living better | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
today at the expense of the people who follow us. So it may give rise | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
to less pain in the short-term. What it does is not good for the | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
next generation. I think, quite wrong actually. Borrowing now is | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
not borrowing from our children. We borrow from ourselves, debt is | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
finance now, you can't borrow from your unborn children. What we would | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
do now by borrowing is enable us to invest in things, and be good for | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
your children, getting jobs for young people, building roads and | :33:38. | :33:42. | |
bridges and schools. Great if the money is used for, but it is not | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
always used for such useful things. Absolutely you're borrowing from | :33:46. | :33:52. | |
your kids, you have no intention repaying the principle and interest, | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
they will. Onwhat is the alternative Basically, carrying on | :33:56. | :34:02. | |
as we are, isn't going to cut it. The mudling through, isn't going to | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
achieve what the Conservatives need to do by the next election, get | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
signs of growth in the economy, and they're going to either lurch in | :34:09. | :34:14. | |
one of two directions - either to go for more stimulus, that side of | :34:14. | :34:19. | |
the table. Or this side, the other way the Vicky Redwood approach, | :34:19. | :34:25. | |
which is to actually cut, expenditure, to actually take more | :34:25. | :34:30. | |
pain short-term, in return for getting a better economy, medium to | :34:30. | :34:35. | |
long-term. It is done places on earth, successfully, even on the UK, | :34:35. | :34:41. | |
on previous cycles. The state is too large, the state, the size it | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
is, means we have low growth baked in. If the Chancellor were to | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
decide to go down the route T would take a degree of political courage? | :34:49. | :34:56. | |
A lot of courage. He is according to an ITV poll tonight, 16% | :34:56. | :35:00. | |
effectively saying he is he's doing OK. It is difficult when you are in | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
the bigger political hole to take those strong economic decisions and | :35:04. | :35:10. | |
I know you are disagree. Maybe take the view, it can't get much worse, | :35:11. | :35:16. | |
he might as well take a go. Previous recessionss, I was working | :35:16. | :35:22. | |
for a Conservative Chancellor in the Treasury, in 1992, and Norman | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
Lamont took the right decision, he said we need to make savings and | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
cut spending, and raise taxes to get the Budget back to BA but we're | :35:31. | :35:37. | |
not going to do it now, until the economy starts recovering. The | :35:37. | :35:44. | |
fiscal tighting then didn't begin until 1994, until it was on an | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
upward trajectory. Basic economics of the same period, during the 90s, | :35:48. | :35:54. | |
we took 7% out of the size of the state and the state grew at 3% for | :35:54. | :36:00. | |
ten years, boy would that be an outcome now. Now the Republican | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
presidential candidate, Mitt Romney called on one of his own Senate | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
candidate to pull out of the race in a row over race. Todd Akin say | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
the women who are victims "legitimate rape" could not get | :36:13. | :36:20. | |
pregnant. What takes Congressman, Todd Akin away from challenged from | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
basic biology, is the Democratic party seized on the comments and | :36:24. | :36:29. | |
used them to attack Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan on attitude to abortion. | :36:29. | :36:34. | |
Congressman, Akin's latest ad campaign is called "forgiveness. | :36:34. | :36:39. | |
I'm Todd Akin and I afrof this message. Rape is an evil act, I use | :36:39. | :36:45. | |
the wrong words in the wrong way and I apologise. Todd Akin may be | :36:45. | :36:52. | |
contrite but he is not stepping down as candidate from mass youry, | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
despite pressure from fellow Republicans, so Democrats are | :36:55. | :37:01. | |
piling in. Views expressed were offensive, rape is rape, and the | :37:01. | :37:08. | |
idea that we should be persing and qualifying, and slicing what types | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
of rape we're talking about, doesn't make sense to the American | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
people. And certainly doesn't make sense to me. Since the 196 0s, | :37:17. | :37:22. | |
abortion has been one of the litmus test issues in America's culture | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
wars. Congressman, Akin is so- called pro-life. He was asked if he | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
opposes abortions, even in cases where the woman gets pregnant | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
through rape This is what he said. First of all, what I understand | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
from doctors, that's really rare, if it is a legitimate rape the | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
female body has ways to shut that whole thing down. President Obama | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
who holds a significant lead of Mitt Romney over women voters, | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
seized the opportunity to draw attention to the wider Republicans | :37:49. | :37:54. | |
positions on social issues. Romney's advice presidential | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
running mate, Paul Ryan is flatly against legal abortion. Even for | :37:58. | :38:05. | |
rape or incest. Accept where the woman's life is at stake. | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
Congressman Ryan worked with Todd Akin in Washington to narrow the | :38:09. | :38:14. | |
definition of rape, so the state would pay for fewer abortions. Mitt | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
Romney condemned Akin's comments and says, he does support legal | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
abortion for women who have been raped. I can't defend what he said. | :38:22. | :38:28. | |
I can't defend him. One reason support for Romney has been tepid | :38:28. | :38:33. | |
amongst Conservatives, is his pro- choice past. And he is seen by | :38:33. | :38:35. | |
critics as Governor Flip-Flop. believe abortion should be safe and | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
legal in this country, I have since the time that my mum took that | :38:40. | :38:46. | |
position when she ran in 1907s as a Senate candidate. I since since | :38:46. | :38:51. | |
this has been law for 20 years, I sustain and support t I sustain and | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
support that, of a right of a woman to make that choice. In 2012, | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
Romney says his thinking has evolved, and as a Pro-Life | :39:00. | :39:09. | |
President he would nominate Supreme Court justices who overturn Roe | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
versus Wade. If polls indicate majority of Americans support legal | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
aborgs, including the independent and moderate Republican voters, is | :39:17. | :39:22. | |
it really an issue that can help win or lose a presidential | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
election? Joining me now from Washington is, Craig Ferguson | :39:28. | :39:34. | |
director of Republican majority for choice, and Lila Rose founder of | :39:34. | :39:41. | |
life action. What do you think should happen to Todd Akin? I think | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
he should step down, that the number pro-choice and anti-choice | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
Republicans in are leadership and party have called for him to step | :39:49. | :39:54. | |
down, and I think it is time for him to take that lead. What do you | :39:54. | :40:01. | |
make of him, step down, and get out of it, because he is peopleersing? | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
Representative Akin apologiseds the comments that were clearly using | :40:05. | :40:10. | |
poor words, choice words were poor. What he was saying, and that's the | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
fact if it is conceived in rape, does not warrant the death penalty | :40:14. | :40:19. | |
of a abortion, and should not be killed because of the crimes of the | :40:19. | :40:24. | |
father, rape is a horrible thing, victims should be fought for and | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
protected but rapists should be held accountable of the law and not | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
the child. That's the position that Todd Akin was taking. It is | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
completely oppose today what his opponents, Claire McCaskill stands | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
for, which is funding of the biggest abortion chain and she | :40:41. | :40:49. | |
voted against a law that would stop, sexual predators were taking minors | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
across state lines which would hurt little girls of statutory rape. | :40:54. | :40:59. | |
some of that, would chime very much with what Paul Ryan has been saying, | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
the vice presidential hopeful for your party, no abortion, even if | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
the case of rape or incest, what do you think of that? We completely | :41:07. | :41:12. | |
oppose that position, the majority of Americans and Republicans oppose | :41:12. | :41:17. | |
that position, even the Romney/ Ryan ticket has come out to say, to | :41:17. | :41:22. | |
say there should be exceptions in the case of rape and incest. The | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
problem is he apologised for the words he used not the policy he is | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
pushing. It is a policy not supported by majority of | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
Republicans and Americans and it is akin to saying, that there's, we | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
need to punish the victim, the perpetrator of the crime and take | :41:41. | :41:47. | |
care of the baby, but the woman in the middle which has the crime upon | :41:47. | :41:52. | |
her is a vessel. It is a crime committed against a woman, it is a | :41:52. | :41:58. | |
violent and sexual crime, she needs medical resource available to her. | :41:58. | :42:03. | |
It should not be inputing our position and opinion in controlling | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
that position. I Can't agree more, but having investigated the biggest | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
abortion pyramid and cover up with little girls with secret abortions, | :42:14. | :42:22. | |
across the board.... I know that's an important issue in the United | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
States, but the important issue for the people in the world is what | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
impact if any this will have on the presidential race. I'm wondering | :42:31. | :42:36. | |
whether you feel, in Mitt Romney given his previous record, actually | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
he doesn't care very much about the issue but he has Paul Ryan on the | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
ticket, because people like you will be energiseed, so Mitt Romney | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
is Governor Flip-Flop? We need to get past the sound bites and look | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
at the issue, we are talking about the fundamental right to life, | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
which is the right to life for all people. If we can't protect that, | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
and don't have politicians protecting that, if our President | :43:00. | :43:07. | |
Obama is the most historic. think Mitt Romney is the man to | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
protect it? We need him to be President, because he will apoint | :43:11. | :43:21. | |
:43:21. | :43:21. | ||
for life judges and stop funding the biggest abortion chain. Do you | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
think there are people within the Republican Party, who run for | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
office, but don't like to say they're pro-choice because it will | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
run them into problems. Frankly, some politicians, are lying on the | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
issue? Our party has created a system that makes it very difficult | :43:37. | :43:43. | |
for Republicans to get through a primary system who are pro-choice. | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
Our system is prochoice organisation is not the party | :43:46. | :43:50. | |
should be pro-choice entirely and promote a platform because that | :43:50. | :43:56. | |
doesn't represent the make-up of a party or party calling for a | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
constitutional ban on abortions with no exceptions. We should not | :44:00. | :44:05. | |
put this front and centre, as they did today, promoting this as one of | :44:05. | :44:10. | |
the top priorities of our country, and applauding we're pushing a | :44:10. | :44:16. | |
human life amendment with no exceptions. I wanted to know if it | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
put off people who are fiscal Conservatives for voting the | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
Republican Party because of the issue, does it put people off? | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
Tifplt detracts from a the strongest message we as rep | :44:27. | :44:32. | |
Republicans have which is the fiscal issue. We need to stand for | :44:32. | :44:37. | |
human rights, that's the life to right, Americans are listening, | :44:37. | :44:40. | |
young people are listening and women, we care about the right to | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
life and protecting women, protecting young girls who are | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
victims of rape and unborn children who deserve to be protected as well. | :44:48. | :44:53. | |
And deserve their fundamental right to life to be protected that's why | :44:53. | :44:58. | |
we're standing for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. Planed parenthood denies | :44:58. | :45:08. | |
:45:08. | :45:16. | ||
some alkpwaigss that was made Prince Harry on front of The | :45:16. | :45:25. | |
Telegraph. Do it now and do it now, tells Osborne chefs. FT has the big | :45:25. | :45:33. | |
business story about glon core bot wot and finally the Daily Mail has | :45:33. | :45:43. | |
:45:43. | :45:50. | ||
wot and finally the Daily Mail has Well that's all from Newsnight for | :45:50. | :46:00. | |
:46:00. | :46:28. | ||
tonight. Kirsty has much more Hello. I've got showers in the | :46:28. | :46:33. | |
forecast again for tomorrow but probably not as heavy or wrieed | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
spread and there will be sunshine in diveen. Southern and eastern | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
part could stay largely cry. Heavy showers for England and Northern | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
Ireland and one or two sharp ones across the Midlands in the aifpb as | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
well. You will notice a breeze, change from recent days, but | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
temperatures not too bad. 21 degrees, that's a good average, | :46:53. | :46:58. | |
high teens for the west, but good weather on the beaches for the | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
south-west of England and South Wales too. | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
Sharp showers of possibility across North Wales. And Northern Ireland | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
too, but the change from today, showers will be moving smartly, so | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
you get sunshine, shower, and then it will move off. Showers for | :47:14. | :47:16. | |
western Scotland, many eastern parts of Scotland, could escape | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
them through the afternoon, and see sunshine, but a brisk breeze | :47:20. | :47:25. | |
blowing in here as well. Sunny intervals and showers, not many of | :47:25. | :47:30. |