04/09/2012 Newsnight


04/09/2012

Will the prime minister's cabinet reshuffle do anything to change the government's fortunes? Also, the Brits turning to handouts from food banks. With Jeremy Paxman.


Similar Content

Browse content similar to 04/09/2012. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!

Transcript


LineFromTo

The crucial reshuffle of David Cameron's administration was never

:00:12.:00:16.

going to change the direction of Government, so what has it done?

:00:16.:00:21.

Can a former banker, a former miner, and a man who boasts of his own

:00:21.:00:25.

plane, and fabulous mansion, make the British people clasp this

:00:25.:00:30.

Government to its bossom. Is this to be harder edge, more populist

:00:30.:00:33.

coalition, one of those to receive preferment today is here. We will

:00:33.:00:38.

be chewing over the fat with the reshuffle significance with a panel

:00:38.:00:43.

of politicians. Also tonight, how is it that in a welfare state,

:00:43.:00:47.

maybe 200,000 of us only eat if we go to a food bank. It took things

:00:48.:00:53.

to get that bad, for me to pick up the phone in the first place, and

:00:53.:00:58.

meet someone like Gavin and say, I'm not coping.

:00:58.:01:04.

I'm trying, but I'm not coping. food banks The Big Idea society in

:01:04.:01:09.

action, or a terrible indictment of Government policy. We will discuss

:01:09.:01:12.

with David Cameron's former speechwriter a food bank charity

:01:12.:01:22.
:01:22.:01:25.

leader and a Labour MP. The Health Secretary who spent eight years

:01:25.:01:28.

learning his way around the NHS, will be leader of the House of

:01:28.:01:34.

Commons. And the man who knows all about opera and the Olympics, gets

:01:34.:01:38.

to learn about other things. Other unwanted individuals get jobs

:01:38.:01:41.

created for them in the best traditions of the worst run parts

:01:41.:01:44.

of the public sector. David Cameron's reshuffle of his

:01:44.:01:49.

Government isn't especially easy to make sense of. But we're going to

:01:49.:01:53.

try. Give us the headlines, first off. It is a bit of a list, first

:01:53.:01:57.

of all, no major changes at the top. But lower down there were

:01:57.:02:00.

significant changes. The first is Justine Greening. She's now become

:02:00.:02:03.

the International Development Secretary, but she was Transport

:02:03.:02:06.

Secretary, and she opposed the third runway at Heathrow, we do

:02:06.:02:10.

expect some changes on that policy in the next few months. Her being

:02:10.:02:13.

moved confirms that. She's replaced by Patrick McLoughlin. We will

:02:14.:02:17.

explain later in our package fully what that means. It is not as

:02:17.:02:22.

obvious as people think. The other one is Andrew Lansley. He, as you

:02:22.:02:31.

said in the piece he is now leader of the House and Jeremy Hunt

:02:31.:02:34.

becomes Health Secretary. He has not had a brilliant year in the

:02:34.:02:38.

last 12 months. Baroness Warsi, who has appeared on the programme a lot,

:02:38.:02:44.

she's no longer chairman, she is the Foreign Office minister, it is

:02:44.:02:48.

a demotion she's not happy with it. She is replaced by Grant Shapps,

:02:48.:02:52.

the new Conservative chairman. Keneth Clarke, familiar to many

:02:52.:02:56.

people, he will no longer have a portfolio, but he will rove,

:02:56.:03:00.

because he has the gift of the gab. He will explain their policies

:03:00.:03:05.

across Government, critically he won't explain prisons, which was a

:03:05.:03:09.

policy he engineered, and didn't go down well with many people, except

:03:09.:03:15.

the Liberal Democrats. Chris Grayling replaced him and the as

:03:15.:03:18.

Justice Secretary, with some nuance he has a harder position on these

:03:18.:03:23.

things. Iain Duncan Smith, he doesn't go anywhere, that is why

:03:23.:03:25.

he's one of the biggest stories. The Prime Minister asked him to

:03:25.:03:30.

move and he said, no. It sounds like minor changes, but

:03:31.:03:40.

could have major impact. It is never normally like this, the walk

:03:41.:03:45.

of shame or fame, required when a Prime Minister reshuffles, was

:03:45.:03:49.

today unusually festooned by the bunting of the Olympics. Little

:03:49.:03:55.

triangles of jolity, would have made Harold Macmillan's Night of

:03:55.:04:00.

the Long Knives seem like a children's party. Today unlucky

:04:00.:04:03.

number were contemplating Westminster's career catwalk.

:04:03.:04:06.

Inside this building in Downing Street they talk about the

:04:06.:04:10.

Government's priority as a triangle, as a triangle the bunting will do.

:04:10.:04:14.

At the pointy end up deficit reduction, beneath that the two

:04:14.:04:18.

priorities of welfare reform and education. Today's reshuffle was

:04:18.:04:22.

about putting better communicators in place to explain, talk and go on

:04:22.:04:26.

about that triangle. This man was David Cameron's most senior special

:04:26.:04:30.

adviser on public sector reform until three months ago. If you

:04:30.:04:34.

actually look at the posts and the kinds of people put in place, it is

:04:34.:04:39.

a very, very strategic thing. Jeremy Hunt at health is an obvious

:04:39.:04:43.

big one, Andrew Lansley will go down in history as great reformer.

:04:43.:04:46.

There are questions about how that reform was communicated, and Jeremy

:04:46.:04:49.

Hunt has been put there to deal with that specific question. You

:04:49.:04:53.

have two-and-a-half years until the next general election, a lot of

:04:53.:04:58.

reforms that have been put in place need to carry on. Except the

:04:58.:05:00.

trouble is, the first move attempted by the Prime Minister,

:05:00.:05:03.

would tinker with one corner of that triangle. A sense of what was

:05:03.:05:09.

going on last night was suggested on Newsnight by one of our own.

:05:09.:05:12.

talk about Iain Duncan Smith, he has reached the point where he has

:05:12.:05:16.

introduced the reforms, it might be a different person you want to

:05:16.:05:21.

implement the reforms. So you would change welfare secretary at this

:05:21.:05:25.

point. Danny Finkelstein was on our programme telling us that Duncan

:05:25.:05:28.

Smith was telling the Prime Minister that actually he wouldn't

:05:28.:05:32.

be moved. We know one of the men in charge of the corners of the

:05:32.:05:35.

triangle, is someone the Government would rather not be in post. The

:05:35.:05:39.

reshuffle had perhaps misfired in its earliest hours last night. But

:05:39.:05:44.

as Tuesday wore on, the Government's shop got more steady.

:05:44.:05:48.

By teatime, you could almost see the target they were aiming for. On

:05:48.:05:54.

the one hand, a defeat for the Chancellor for not removing Iain

:05:54.:05:57.

Duncan Smith, that will become a problem in years to come as they

:05:57.:06:02.

try to get cuts from welfare. But seven ministers of state were

:06:02.:06:05.

listed as owing their promotion to George Osborne, on aviation, the

:06:05.:06:09.

environment, on planning and even childcare. It is clear now that the

:06:09.:06:12.

Chancellor will push through his will. A new job for the man who

:06:12.:06:18.

made sure the Olympic bunting was deserved. Paul Dayton, who has been

:06:18.:06:21.

ennobled, he delivered the Olympics, and the Government think he can

:06:21.:06:28.

deliver for them on the economy. Liz Truss, changing childcare, Greg

:06:28.:06:31.

Clarke to change City policy, Michael Fallon keeping an eye on

:06:31.:06:33.

Vince Cable in business, Owen Paterson sceptical on the

:06:33.:06:36.

environment, Patrick McLoughlin clears the way for more airport

:06:36.:06:43.

capacity in the south-east. Mark Holborn will help the Treasury get

:06:43.:06:53.
:06:53.:06:53.

that �10 million out of the coffers. They turn around the fortunes of

:06:53.:06:57.

both coalition parties into the 2015 elections. It is promotion now

:06:57.:07:02.

that really matters, not promotion to the Government in future

:07:02.:07:06.

reshuffles. The promotions today include Chris Grayling, Keneth

:07:06.:07:10.

Clarke's liberal prison policy of rose garden days is no more. Though

:07:10.:07:14.

Grayling won't junk it all. He has no truck for European rulings or an

:07:14.:07:20.

overzealous culture of human rights. Keneth Clarke's demise is possibly

:07:20.:07:26.

the biggest Lib Dem news in this reshuffle. This sees the rise of

:07:26.:07:29.

blue collar Conservatism., Chris Grayling has the job because it is

:07:29.:07:32.

thought he can talk better to Tory Party voters about crime. Liz Truss

:07:32.:07:36.

has the job, because the party thinks she has the ideas to bring

:07:36.:07:39.

down the cost of childcare. Patrick McLoughlin's appointment is partly

:07:39.:07:42.

about clearing the way for the third runway at Heathrow. But it is

:07:42.:07:46.

also because he's a straight talking northerner, who can talk

:07:46.:07:49.

convincingly to voters about rail fares and the cost of fuel. This is

:07:49.:07:52.

a cost of living reshuffle. appointment of Patrick McLoughlin

:07:52.:07:56.

is the most interesting to me, because, obviously, an ex-miner

:07:56.:08:00.

from the northern area, he has been brought out of the shadows into

:08:00.:08:05.

transport. Which may not be a kind of top-teir Government department,

:08:05.:08:10.

in terms of spending and reputation and so on, but actually, if you

:08:10.:08:14.

look at ordinary working people, transport is a massive issue for

:08:14.:08:17.

them. Today Cameron attempted to make good his pledge to have a

:08:17.:08:19.

third of his Government women by the end of the parliament.

:08:19.:08:23.

Newsnight was in Downing Street when two of them found out. But it

:08:23.:08:26.

wasn't enough to mask the reduction of the number of women as full

:08:26.:08:30.

cabinet ministers, down from five. On this going, he will struggle to

:08:30.:08:35.

meet his target. Boris Johnson, the Mayor of London, lost no time in

:08:35.:08:40.

denouncing the removal of one woman, Justine Greening, because of her

:08:40.:08:44.

opposition to Heathrow. Johnson accused the Government of ditching

:08:44.:08:49.

its promises, he pledged to tight this. -- fight this. The bunting

:08:49.:08:54.

goes away with the Paralympics, this reshuffle has to pay off for

:08:54.:08:57.

both coalition parties to have cause to get it out again in 2015.

:08:57.:09:02.

Good day for the Prime Minister, do you think? It is a reminder of how

:09:02.:09:05.

many back seat drivers he has on all the issues he has. We heard

:09:05.:09:10.

from three Tory leaders today. Iain Duncan Smith saying you can't move

:09:11.:09:14.

him, and Boris Johnson saying you can't do that. He doesn't operate

:09:14.:09:18.

with masses of free space, but I do think it is more impressive than

:09:18.:09:24.

many feel. The personnel brought in may not be very well known to

:09:24.:09:27.

people, but they are people who do have ideas. They have the

:09:27.:09:30.

capability, if they can persuade the Civil Service of their ideas,

:09:30.:09:35.

and if they have the time, to do some things that might make a

:09:35.:09:39.

difference. Whether it will be -- they will pull it off, I don't know.

:09:39.:09:41.

It is more interesting than some people think.

:09:41.:09:44.

We live in an ever-changing world, but there are some enduring things

:09:44.:09:48.

you can count upon, come Shane or shine, winter or summer, elections

:09:49.:09:52.

or reshuffle, one of them is Michael Fallon making a trip into

:09:52.:09:55.

the Newsnight studio. Thank you for coming. Can we expect any changes

:09:55.:09:58.

of direction or anything as a result of this reshuffle? No, it is

:09:58.:10:01.

a big reshuffle, it is a very important reshuffle, what it

:10:01.:10:03.

demonstrates is the Government really means business now there is

:10:03.:10:08.

a new team that is going to fight for our future. And they didn't

:10:08.:10:14.

mean it before? We are at a different stage. We have a

:10:14.:10:17.

deteriorating outlook in Europe and the world economy, we have really

:10:17.:10:20.

got to step up the pace and get the growth this country needs. That is

:10:20.:10:24.

what the new team is there for. When Boris Johnson says there is

:10:24.:10:28.

only one reason for sacking Justine Greening, to build a new runway at

:10:28.:10:33.

Heathrow, he's wrong? She hasn't been sacked, but moved to an

:10:34.:10:37.

important department, international development, we have a big job to

:10:37.:10:40.

do, to persuade the British people, at a difficult time in our economy,

:10:40.:10:44.

that we have a moral duty to help the rest of the world, the poorer

:10:44.:10:48.

parts of the world with overseas aid. From which she was moved on in

:10:48.:10:52.

less than a year. Boris Johnson says the only reason for doing that,

:10:52.:10:56.

is because you want to change your policy on Heathrow s that true?

:10:56.:11:00.

That is completely wrong. The policy on Heathrow stays exactly as

:11:00.:11:03.

it is. This Government won't build a new runway at Heathrow under this

:11:03.:11:09.

Government. But, you know, there is a juggling around every time with

:11:09.:11:12.

the cabinet. Suddenly the Chief Whip became available, former

:11:12.:11:15.

transport minister, very experienced person in Whitehall,

:11:15.:11:18.

was available to be Transport Secretary. There is a big job to be

:11:18.:11:21.

done, as I said, in international development, in persuading people

:11:21.:11:25.

of the importance of overseas aid. There was a natural fit there.

:11:25.:11:29.

own job, you are going to Vince Cable's department to be Number Ten,

:11:29.:11:33.

tell us, a voice for business. Isn't there a voice there already

:11:33.:11:36.

in the business department? There is, but there is a big job to be

:11:36.:11:39.

done in ensuring we really do get the growth this economy needs now.

:11:39.:11:44.

And to drive the business agenda. You will hear later this week new

:11:45.:11:47.

proposals to develop our infrastructure, to support more

:11:48.:11:52.

affordable housing, for example, to speed up planning, to deregulate,

:11:52.:11:55.

this is work that is never done. We have to step up the pace now to

:11:56.:11:59.

make sure this economy starts to keep growing and growing faster.

:11:59.:12:04.

hasn't been doing that, has it? has, the private sector has already

:12:04.:12:08.

created nearly a million new jobs in two years. As you know very well.

:12:08.:12:11.

The eurozone economies have deteriorated. The world economic

:12:11.:12:14.

outlook is worse than anybody predicted two years ago. We have

:12:14.:12:18.

simply got to work harder and harder at getting the growth we

:12:18.:12:23.

want. You are like the seventh cavalry riding to the rescue at the

:12:23.:12:28.

be Knighted department are you? department doesn't need rescuing,

:12:29.:12:35.

we have to focus relentlessly on growth, and every couple of years

:12:35.:12:41.

the team needs to be refreshed. Aleg gra put her finger on it, she

:12:41.:12:46.

says you are going there to keep an eye on Vince Cable? I'm looking out

:12:46.:12:49.

for business. Do you have absolute confidence of Vince Cable's

:12:49.:12:53.

management of the economy? Absolutely, I'm there to help his

:12:53.:12:56.

agenda of helping British business create jobs. Can you tell us why it

:12:56.:13:00.

is that Keneth Clarke has joined the cabinet, as yet another voice

:13:00.:13:04.

on economic affairs, apparently when you have already got three

:13:04.:13:06.

within cabinet? Keneth Clarke has already served in six big

:13:06.:13:10.

departments, you think it is only fair, at his age, to let somebody

:13:10.:13:15.

else have a go. We are not losing hisser experience, he will be there

:13:15.:13:18.

at the cabinet table, and serve on the National Security Council, of

:13:18.:13:22.

course, he will contribute his economic expertise, a former

:13:22.:13:26.

Chancellor, to the various economic committees of the cabinet. That

:13:26.:13:29.

expertise will be very welcome to the Chancellor. How many people can

:13:29.:13:32.

sit at the cabinet table? I'm not sure the exact number. I don't

:13:32.:13:37.

think it is any more than Tony Blair had at his cabinet table or

:13:37.:13:44.

Gordon Brown. It is over 30, it is more? Can you all sit down? There

:13:44.:13:48.

are many who can't attend. There are chairs for all of them. It is

:13:48.:13:52.

very important not to lose the experience of people like Kenneth

:13:52.:13:54.

Clarke, he has been a Chancellor of the Exchequer, and industry

:13:54.:13:58.

secretary before, and has a huge amount to contribute. That is good

:13:58.:14:04.

news. Anybody you will miss? It is sad to see some go. When you

:14:04.:14:07.

refresh a team, there are people who served in Government who have

:14:07.:14:12.

to be let down. One of the things David Cameron has done in this

:14:12.:14:16.

reshuffle, which wasn't fully brought out. He's a Conservative

:14:16.:14:19.

Prime Minister that brought into Government the largest number of

:14:19.:14:24.

women, ever. A huge raft of new women ministers. Who were appointed

:14:24.:14:31.

today. Helen Grant, Esther McVeigh. There is not a cat in hell's chance

:14:32.:14:36.

you will get a third of the Government to be women? It is still

:14:36.:14:39.

the promise, this is the largest number of women appointed in a

:14:39.:14:42.

single day by a Conservative Prime Minister. That's extremely good

:14:42.:14:46.

news. There is a new generation now of Conservatives. People who

:14:46.:14:51.

haven't always been there. Five out of 31 at the cabinet table, by my

:14:51.:14:54.

calculations, doesn't amount to one third? It is not a third yet, but

:14:54.:14:57.

you have to start by getting them into parliament. David Cameron

:14:57.:15:00.

changed the Conservative Party to do that. Now you see them coming

:15:00.:15:03.

through as junior ministers, and soon in the fullness of time you

:15:04.:15:08.

will see them coming through to the cabinet. You saw two coming through

:15:08.:15:12.

today. Maria Miller and Theresa Villiers were appointed to the

:15:12.:15:17.

Government. We also saw some going? You can't exempt women from the

:15:17.:15:20.

inevitable reshuffle when people change departments. I would suggest

:15:20.:15:24.

you have to in order to increase the proportion? The proportion of

:15:24.:15:28.

ministers is being increased and he's working towards that total.

:15:28.:15:31.

What about poor old Andrew Lansley, he spends years and years trying to

:15:31.:15:33.

understand the National Health Service, he starts bringing in some

:15:33.:15:38.

reforms and then he gets the chop? He has spent eight years dealing

:15:38.:15:42.

with that portfolio all together. It is a very long time, and very

:15:42.:15:46.

unusual for somebody running a single portfolio. Very unusual for

:15:46.:15:49.

that length of time. He has got the reforms through parliament. We are

:15:49.:15:53.

in a new phase where we need to deliver the reform, he was offered

:15:53.:15:57.

a promotion today to leader of the House, it is one of the most

:15:57.:16:01.

important jobs in parliament. He has taken that, and succeeded by a

:16:01.:16:06.

really good communicator in Jeremy Hunt. What does he know about the

:16:06.:16:10.

health service? He's obviously got to bone up on the health service,

:16:10.:16:14.

all ministers have been involved in all these policy areas. Andrew

:16:14.:16:17.

Lansley wasn't involved in the health service before he became the

:16:17.:16:21.

shadow secretary. He spent eight years learning about it. He wasn't

:16:21.:16:23.

involved before that. It is inevitable you have ministers

:16:23.:16:27.

coming new to the briefs. That is a good thing. They bring fresh

:16:27.:16:31.

experience he is a proven manager and proven communicator, Jeremy

:16:31.:16:35.

Hunt, by the way, he has just delivered the most successful

:16:35.:16:39.

Olympics this country has ever seen. What has that got to do with it?

:16:39.:16:42.

shows he can deliver, we want him to deliver the health service

:16:42.:16:52.
:16:52.:16:58.

reforms. Two in cabinet before Methusela was in the land, my

:16:58.:17:05.

guests are here, with Mary McLoed here two years. First of all,

:17:05.:17:08.

Justine Greening, Boris Johnson says the only reason she was sacked

:17:08.:17:12.

was so your party could change its policy on Heathrow, and build more

:17:12.:17:16.

air capacity there. What would happen if your party did that?

:17:16.:17:20.

priority is not going to change -- the party will not change its view,

:17:20.:17:23.

and the coalition won't change its view on the third runway. We will

:17:23.:17:28.

hold firm to the agreement we had with the coalition and ls to each

:17:28.:17:32.

of our manifestos. Could you stay as MP if the policy changed?

:17:32.:17:36.

would stay and fight, absolutely. You would have to resign, wouldn't

:17:36.:17:39.

you? The policy is not going to change in this Government. We have

:17:39.:17:42.

had all senior members of this Government saying the policy won't

:17:42.:17:46.

change, and it will not change. Boris Johnson is just talking

:17:46.:17:52.

rubbish again, is he? I agree with Boris's view on the third third

:17:53.:17:57.

runway, as -- the third runway, as no third runway. Why he is living

:17:57.:18:03.

in fantasy and seeing a change of policy in the offing? I'm not Boris.

:18:03.:18:06.

But the important thing is there is no change in policy in this

:18:06.:18:11.

Government on the third runway. We have stated that categorically.

:18:11.:18:13.

Senior membership of the Government, including the Prime Minister,

:18:13.:18:16.

Foreign Secretary and the Home Secretary, have all reiterated

:18:16.:18:20.

there will be no change in policy on the third runway. Do you see

:18:20.:18:23.

this reshuffle, for what many people see it to be, a move to the

:18:24.:18:29.

right in Government? There is one particular position, and that's the

:18:29.:18:32.

Justice Secretary, occupied by Chris Grayling. That is something

:18:32.:18:36.

which Liberal Democrat MPs in the House will be watching very

:18:36.:18:40.

carefully indeed. He's replaced Keneth Clarke, who often spoke

:18:40.:18:45.

about those issues concerned as if he was a Liberal Democrat. So the

:18:45.:18:49.

Liberal Democrats will want, maybe that's why he has been moved. We

:18:49.:18:53.

will be looking very, very carefully, because we take a Keneth

:18:53.:18:57.

Clarke view about justice. And Chris Grayling will have to justify

:18:57.:19:01.

anything he says or does, which sur plants from that. You are happy

:19:01.:19:11.

with the rest of the appointments, Owen Paterson at environment?

:19:11.:19:16.

appointment of people who have in the past expressed more right-wing

:19:16.:19:18.

views that than are contained in the coalition agreement. The

:19:18.:19:21.

coalition agreement is for this parliament. As rightly said, during

:19:21.:19:25.

the course of this parliament, the policy on the third runway will not

:19:25.:19:31.

change. But, here I depart slightly from what has been said already,

:19:31.:19:34.

the appointment of Patrick McLoughlin is clearly a signal that

:19:34.:19:38.

in the manifesto of the Conservative Party, at the next

:19:38.:19:42.

general election, there will be a different policy than the one that

:19:42.:19:46.

was in the last manifesto. Or, indeed, in the coalition agreement.

:19:46.:19:51.

It hasn't been written yet, you don't know. Michael Fallon was very

:19:51.:19:57.

specific, he said this Government. That's completely hypothesising

:19:57.:20:03.

about something happening in two- and-a-half years time. You're oddly

:20:03.:20:06.

mute? I haven't been asked a question yet. I will ask you one

:20:06.:20:09.

now. Aren't you thrilled to see the Department of Justice in the hand,

:20:09.:20:15.

at last, of someone who is not a lawyer? Oim' not. We never said it

:20:16.:20:19.

-- I'm not, we never said it had to be a lawyer, but someone standing a

:20:19.:20:26.

bit to the side of Daily politics. When Kenneth Clarke was appointed

:20:26.:20:31.

there, he was brilliant, he might be a Lib Dem for all I know, but

:20:31.:20:36.

he's a man of independent judgment. But Chris Grayling is in touch with

:20:36.:20:39.

public opinion? I don't know if he is or not, I wonder to the extent

:20:39.:20:43.

to which he will gain the trust of people in the system, they will

:20:43.:20:47.

look to him for protection from, for example, politicians like

:20:47.:20:50.

Theresa May, who think there are votes in attacking the judges, for

:20:50.:20:55.

example. Will Chris Grayling defend them? I don't know. One of the

:20:55.:20:59.

things I think is a characteristic of this reshuffle, is the fact that

:20:59.:21:02.

the Prime Minister's effort to avoid controversy, you move Jeremy

:21:02.:21:06.

Hunt from culture, where you would have to deal with the outcome of

:21:06.:21:10.

the Leveson Inquiry, you move Andrew Lansley away from health,

:21:10.:21:13.

because he would have had to implement issues which were very,

:21:14.:21:19.

very controversial. And of course, you move Justine Greening away from

:21:19.:21:23.

transport, as a potentially controversial thing. That's what,

:21:23.:21:28.

behind a lot of this, is an effort it try to dampen down things that

:21:28.:21:31.

would be difficult within the Conservative Party. You were

:21:31.:21:33.

Parliamentary Private Secretary in that department? I was, yes, for

:21:33.:21:38.

the last two years. You recognise this picture of it? I think

:21:38.:21:43.

certainly I enjoyed working with Keneth Clarke, and Nick Herbert,

:21:43.:21:46.

the minister I was PPS to. It is important to keep Keneth Clarke,

:21:46.:21:50.

because of his experience, and he's still incredibly sharp, it is very

:21:50.:21:54.

important to have him around the cabinet table. I like in this

:21:54.:21:58.

reshuffle that it has brought in new faces and more women. More

:21:58.:22:03.

women, it hasn't brought in more women? In the ministerial levels.

:22:03.:22:08.

But fewer in cabinet? Slightly fewer, but down by one in cabinet.

:22:08.:22:12.

But, what the Prime Minister always promised. Do you believe this stuff

:22:12.:22:17.

about being a third of women in this parliament? The Prime Minister

:22:17.:22:21.

aimed for 30% of women in the ministerial, across ministerial

:22:21.:22:25.

appointments. That is still something, I think, he can deliver,

:22:25.:22:30.

over time. We still haven't heard all the appointments yet. In two-

:22:30.:22:34.

and-a-half years? Definitely possible. It is a reshuffle that

:22:34.:22:37.

will reduce trust in politic. Although Michael Fallon is much to

:22:37.:22:41.

be admired for coming to Newsnight on a regular basis. The particular

:22:41.:22:46.

line he was running about Justine Greening, who was there for ten

:22:46.:22:50.

months, and everybody thought she did a good job. The idea she hasn't

:22:50.:22:54.

been moved because of Heathrow, and everybody denying it, is very bad

:22:54.:23:00.

for politics. Jeremy Hunt is by and large a man who everybody regarded

:23:00.:23:03.

as having messed up the most important job he had, which was the

:23:03.:23:07.

Sky TV bid, whether you think he should have resigned or not, he

:23:07.:23:12.

certainly didn't do that well, what has happened to him? He has been

:23:12.:23:16.

promoted, to apparently try to make the doctors love him. When an

:23:16.:23:22.

article today said he was without doubt the most loathed Secretary of

:23:22.:23:27.

State for Culture, Media and Sport. This is not like a reshuffle

:23:27.:23:33.

deserving merit. He was subject to the vote of censure in parliament?

:23:33.:23:37.

The Liberal Democrats took the view they couldn't support him. You are

:23:37.:23:39.

happy to see him in charge of the health service? These choices are

:23:40.:23:45.

made by the Prime Minister. And remember, that the central purpose

:23:45.:23:49.

of this coalition Government is to seek to restore the economic

:23:49.:23:55.

stability of this country. That is right at the heart of what we do.

:23:55.:24:00.

It is also why, if I may say so, there are things in the coalition

:24:00.:24:03.

agreement that I wouldn't be happy about, which you have to accept to

:24:03.:24:07.

achieve the central trust. brings us to the matter of David

:24:07.:24:13.

Laws. He was a man suspended from parliament parliament for how he

:24:13.:24:16.

behaved, is he fit to be in Government? If you have read the

:24:16.:24:19.

report which the commissioner wrote in relation to that. You will have

:24:19.:24:24.

seen that he went to great lengths to point out that what David Laws

:24:24.:24:28.

had done, was in an effort to conceal his sexuality, he could

:24:28.:24:34.

have, if he had chosen to use his own house in the constituency, as

:24:34.:24:37.

the basis for his claims, he could have claimed very much more. The

:24:38.:24:41.

point is, that David Laws has a very substantial contribution to

:24:41.:24:46.

make. He is universally regarded in the House of Commons. He is a fit

:24:46.:24:50.

man to be in Government? He's universally regarded on all sites

:24:50.:24:54.

of the House. He's a fit man to be in Government? Yes, otherwise the

:24:54.:24:57.

Prime Minister wouldn't have appointed him, and Nick Clegg would

:24:57.:25:00.

not have endorsed that appointment. If you are talking about merit. You

:25:00.:25:04.

need to look at Chris Grayling's appointment, it was because he did

:25:04.:25:09.

such a great job of Work and Pensions, he's now promoted. We

:25:09.:25:16.

have Maria Miller and also Theresa Villiers, were moated into cabinet.

:25:16.:25:24.

-- promoted into cabinet. She has to decide in the next few weeks on

:25:24.:25:29.

the Leveson Inquiry, will she stand up to David Cameron on that?

:25:29.:25:32.

think she's very capable. Theresa Villiers has gone to Northern

:25:32.:25:36.

Ireland this afternoon and it is rioting this afternoon. That is

:25:36.:25:40.

hardly anything to do with her? What on earth is the Prime Minister

:25:40.:25:43.

doing giving these responsible jobs to people at this particular time.

:25:43.:25:47.

You mean she's incompetent, because there is riots going on in Northern

:25:47.:25:50.

Ireland, a woman can't go, is that what you are saying, you wouldn't

:25:50.:25:55.

say it about a man? I would say it about anyone that inexperienced to

:25:55.:26:03.

do a job, irrespective of their sex. You didn't say that about mow moul

:26:03.:26:13.
:26:13.:26:14.

lamb. She -- Mo Mowlam. She spent years making relationships.

:26:14.:26:18.

didn't know it at the start. Maybe the Prime Minister is not thinking

:26:18.:26:27.

about the quality of Government, instead what he's thinking about is

:26:27.:26:30.

the management of my group within parliament. Good Government is

:26:30.:26:34.

suffering as a result. We will leave it there. No-one goes hungry

:26:34.:26:39.

in the 21st century in Britain. We live in a welfare state, don't we.

:26:39.:26:42.

Ever since the great reforming Government of 1945 promised to slay

:26:42.:26:47.

the five great giants of idleness, ignorance, disease, squalor and

:26:47.:26:50.

want, that has been the working assumption. In the last five years

:26:50.:26:53.

there has been an explosion in the number of people being fed, not

:26:53.:27:02.

from earnings or benefits, but from using food banks. In 2007, the

:27:02.:27:05.

Trussle Trust fed nearly 40,000 people. By the year of the election

:27:05.:27:10.

they were feeding 60,000, a figure that doubled. This year and next

:27:10.:27:15.

they are expecting to feed 200,000. We set out to find out why, in a

:27:15.:27:25.
:27:25.:27:37.

land of plenty so many are going hungry. They say you can tell a

:27:37.:27:41.

poor area by how many chicken joints it has. By that definition,

:27:41.:27:48.

Coventryry has its fair share of poverty. This is a typical Midlands

:27:48.:27:53.

industrial city, with 306,000, and by the City Council's own

:27:53.:27:57.

statistics, 69,000 of them living on the breadline. As Britain has

:27:57.:28:00.

dipped, again, into recession, professionals dealing with poverty

:28:00.:28:07.

have noticed the rise of something new. I have watched people sitting

:28:07.:28:14.

down cooking oven-baked chips and mayonaise, and that is their main

:28:14.:28:18.

evening meal, with children and with health problems. In some ways

:28:18.:28:23.

this recession has been kinder than expected, unemployment never topped

:28:23.:28:27.

three million, house repossessions never became catastrophic. It is

:28:27.:28:30.

all the more strange that across Britain we are now seeing something

:28:30.:28:39.

we haven't really seen since the 1930s. That is hunger.

:28:39.:28:43.

This is what it looks like when somebody else gets to pick the food

:28:43.:28:50.

your family is going to eat. It is a food bank in Coventry. The

:28:50.:28:54.

Trussell Trust, the charity that runs these places, is opening two

:28:54.:28:59.

or three new ones every week. All the food is donated, and it is of

:28:59.:29:03.

high quality, but demand is high too. And growing, and I have come

:29:03.:29:11.

here to find out why. This family, including a four-week-old baby,

:29:11.:29:16.

have been referred here for an emergency food donation. What has

:29:16.:29:20.

brought you here? Benefit changes. I had my daughter move in with me,

:29:20.:29:26.

move back from her father's, and I had a new baby. So because they had

:29:26.:29:30.

to be added on to my claim, it caused it to fail. Too many

:29:30.:29:34.

children living in my house, and it's not working out on the

:29:34.:29:39.

computer. So no benefits are coming into the house? I'm getting my

:29:39.:29:42.

child benefit. Child Tax Credit for the rest of the children, but not

:29:42.:29:49.

two. What does that mean in terms of food? It means that I am not

:29:49.:29:53.

having the money to go shopping, I can just cover my bills. If we went

:29:53.:29:59.

back to your house right now, what food would be in the cupboard?

:29:59.:30:02.

bit of rice and some bread. I haven't anything else in, at all.

:30:03.:30:08.

This, it turns out, is not unusual. On top of people whose claims fail

:30:08.:30:12.

accidentally, there has been massive spike in the number of

:30:12.:30:16.

people getting their jobseeker's allowance stopped temporarily, or

:30:16.:30:19.

sanctioned, as it is called. 167,000 people, in the first three

:30:19.:30:24.

months of this year. Go to DWP and asking for crisis loans is landing

:30:24.:30:29.

myself in more debt. I think I'm hitting the �900 mark of being in

:30:30.:30:34.

debt, because my benefits keep being stopped and started, and just

:30:34.:30:37.

not knowing where I am with benefits at all. What you get here

:30:38.:30:42.

is food to feed a family for three days, and since it opened, the

:30:42.:30:46.

Coventry centre has fed 10,000 people that way. For just under

:30:46.:30:52.

half of them, it is this problem of benefit disruption that has left

:30:52.:30:56.

them hungry. We do some generic statistical analysis, we know 43%

:30:56.:31:01.

of people who present at food bank, it is down to a benefit delay, a

:31:01.:31:04.

benefit change or crisis loan refused. It is reasonable to expect

:31:04.:31:08.

people to apply for a certain number of jobs per week, yes. But

:31:08.:31:11.

if you fail that particular test, and you have a sanction, the

:31:11.:31:15.

sanction can be there for weeks. Now the logic flaw in that is

:31:15.:31:19.

exactly where do you expect people to go and find money during that

:31:19.:31:23.

period, if job seekers is supposed to be the point of last resort in

:31:23.:31:28.

terms of income. Often people's circumstances change, sometimes

:31:29.:31:32.

they just don't obey the rules of the benefit system? All of that

:31:32.:31:36.

happens as well. And you then find them walking through the door

:31:37.:31:46.
:31:47.:31:51.

hungry. We become the backstop of the benefit system. Foodbanks don't

:31:51.:31:58.

feed everyone, they aim to address the root cause of the crisis.

:31:58.:32:02.

But if hatch the people at foodbanks have fall -- half the

:32:02.:32:05.

people at foodbanks have fallen through the benefits system, what

:32:05.:32:09.

about the other half. Why are there thousands of people with jobs in

:32:09.:32:15.

this one city who can't feed themselves? We have seen the queue

:32:15.:32:21.

out the front increase in the last year, 18 months. We have about 15

:32:21.:32:26.

people queuing from 8.00am in the morning, by the time we open at

:32:26.:32:31.

9.15, there are are 30 people waiting to be seen. That happens on

:32:31.:32:34.

a day-by-day basis. The Citizens Advice Bureau is one of the

:32:34.:32:38.

agencies in Coventry that can refer people to the foodbank. They have

:32:38.:32:43.

identified the other big cause of food poverty, debt. Unfortunately,

:32:43.:32:47.

and horrifically, it is often the food is the thing that is having to

:32:47.:32:51.

give when people are trying to pay creditors. They are using high-

:32:51.:32:55.

interest lenders, pay-day loans, to try to get through their week.

:32:55.:32:58.

Sometimes it is the food, sometimes it is the heating. There is a

:32:58.:33:08.
:33:08.:33:12.

saying, we have people either heat or eat.

:33:12.:33:16.

Expensive credit, for poor people, is the new boom industry in Britain,

:33:16.:33:21.

as well as the pawnbrokers and pay day loan shops, there are also

:33:21.:33:23.

doorstep lender. The interest rates are massive, many people struggle

:33:24.:33:29.

to pay them, but the question is, why do they end up prioritising

:33:29.:33:37.

debt over food. I'm going to advise the one of our clients, who because

:33:37.:33:42.

of health problems...Mary Shine is a case worker at the Citizens

:33:42.:33:44.

Advice Bureau, she and her colleagues are referring about ten

:33:44.:33:48.

people a week to the foodbank. And where debt is involved, there is

:33:48.:33:54.

often a doorstep lender who has first call on the money. Doorstep

:33:54.:33:58.

lending is always about preying on people who are unable to access

:33:58.:34:03.

high street banks, get a loan, a cheap loan, or an overdraft, or a

:34:03.:34:08.

credit card. They also have this thing where they befriend them. So

:34:08.:34:14.

it is not the man from the credit company, it is, my friend Tom, who

:34:14.:34:18.

has been coming for years. So if you are faced with having to say to

:34:18.:34:23.

Tom, I can't pay my debts this week, it feels bad? It feels bad, they

:34:23.:34:27.

feel they are letting Tom down. He will say he will lose his comiing,

:34:27.:34:31.

and you are letting me down -- commission, and you are letting me

:34:31.:34:35.

down, and they are guilt tripped into making the payments. What is

:34:35.:34:39.

the result for families? They are paying �20 a week to the doorstep

:34:39.:34:45.

lender out of their food bill. is this priority given to debt

:34:45.:34:49.

repayment, not just doorstep debt, but council tax and rent arrears,

:34:49.:34:56.

that explains why even people in work end up at the foodbank. Even

:34:56.:35:01.

now there is not a lot of people know I use foodbank. To have to

:35:01.:35:07.

admit to myself I'm not cope, I'm in debt management, and I need help

:35:07.:35:12.

with food to feed my family. It is not nice. Christina Thomas has a

:35:12.:35:17.

job, but came to the foodbank after an acute family crisis forced her

:35:17.:35:21.

on to Statutory Sick Pay, and her debts went out of control. I was

:35:21.:35:25.

trying to help my oldest son while he was in financial difficulty, and

:35:25.:35:29.

obviously taking care of my teenage boy as well. Even though I was

:35:29.:35:33.

working part-time, it was like after rent, council tax, all the

:35:33.:35:41.

household bills, there was never enough for the rest. It became more

:35:41.:35:45.

of about debt all the time, rather than having any surplus from my

:35:45.:35:53.

wages. What would happen if this place didn't exist, in some places

:35:53.:35:56.

they don't exist. What would happen? Things become really hard

:35:56.:36:03.

for me. Really, really hard for me. It is something I don't

:36:03.:36:12.

particularly want to think about, because things are hard already. It

:36:12.:36:16.

took things to get that bad for me to pick up the phone in the first

:36:16.:36:24.

place, and meet someone like Gavin. And say, you know, I'm not coping.

:36:24.:36:34.
:36:34.:36:34.

I'm trying, but I'm not coping. These are two stories from one

:36:34.:36:40.

foodbank. There are 250 foodbanks across the UK. And last year they

:36:40.:36:49.

fed 130,000 people. The welfare system is supposed to be a safety

:36:49.:36:54.

net, but on the evidence we found, about half of all the hunger being

:36:54.:36:58.

officially dealt with, is caused by people, not falling through it, but

:36:58.:37:03.

being forced through it by the system itself. The real safety net

:37:03.:37:10.

is now churches, and charity. As benefits are cut, and rules

:37:10.:37:19.

tightened. The foodbanks expect to be seeing a lot more people soon.

:37:19.:37:23.

Chris Mould is director of the Trussell Trust, which runs more

:37:23.:37:29.

than 250 foodbanks, like the one you saw in that film. The Labour

:37:29.:37:33.

front bencher, Stella Creasy, has campaigned for tougher regulation

:37:33.:37:36.

of consumer credit, and the speechwriter for David Cameron when

:37:36.:37:40.

leader of the opposition, now running a crime reduction charity.

:37:40.:37:46.

Just for the avoidance of doubt, we are not talking here about soup

:37:46.:37:49.

kitchens and other facilities for homeless people? We are talking

:37:49.:37:54.

about feeding people, 85% of whom have got somewhere to live and are

:37:54.:37:58.

not homeless. We say they are on the brink of homelessness sometimes,

:37:58.:38:03.

and the foodbank is the reason why they are not rendered homelessness.

:38:03.:38:07.

We agree it is a mark of failure, in some way, that people have to

:38:07.:38:11.

resort to a foodbank. The question is, what is the failure? To me this

:38:11.:38:15.

is a story of responsibility. The failure of responsibility, and the

:38:15.:38:20.

fulfilment of responsibility. There has been over the best part of a

:38:20.:38:27.

generation, building up a public sector debt by the Government. And

:38:27.:38:30.

at the same time huge failure of responsibility from banks, lenders

:38:30.:38:33.

and households building up unsustainable levels of private

:38:34.:38:37.

debt. That is a failure of responsibility. There is some

:38:37.:38:41.

public policy failures about the administration of benefits. What we

:38:41.:38:46.

see here, and a tremendous stories, communities, churches, and

:38:46.:38:49.

charities, communities spontaneously responding to this

:38:49.:38:52.

terrible need, and rising up to meet the need in their own

:38:52.:38:59.

communities. In many ways this is a positive thing. I -- I don't want

:38:59.:39:03.

to misrepresent you, it is a terrible thing and a tragedy, but

:39:03.:39:07.

it is a positive response to a horrible situation? It is that

:39:07.:39:12.

communities are responding so well. I don't know what planet you are

:39:12.:39:17.

living on, one of the reasons I started campaigning on pay-day

:39:17.:39:20.

lenders is because I could see the damage they were doing to my local

:39:20.:39:24.

community. These are people not borrowing for luxuries, but basic

:39:24.:39:29.

essentials, food. You are saying households are rung up debts they

:39:29.:39:35.

shouldn't. When I see people in Waltham stow who have too much

:39:35.:39:38.

month at the end of their money, it is for transport costs and getting

:39:38.:39:42.

to work and rent. It is inexcusable that people are failing to act on

:39:43.:39:45.

the cost of consumer credit in this country, because you can see the

:39:45.:39:49.

damage it is doing. There is an equal issue that people on low

:39:49.:39:52.

incomes have been suffering a flatlining for years. People who

:39:52.:39:58.

have to depend on tax credits and benefits, have not had those raised

:39:58.:40:02.

anything like sufficient to deal with food price rises. Oxfam have

:40:02.:40:06.

done their own research and tell us in the last five years food prices

:40:06.:40:10.

have gone up 30.5%. This isn't about people becoming more

:40:10.:40:15.

irresponsible than they used to be. This is about a larger proportion

:40:15.:40:19.

of society finding it harder than they ever have done before, to make

:40:19.:40:23.

ends meet. That's what I think is wrong. We, as a charity, are

:40:24.:40:28.

committed to launching food banks in every community, because we

:40:28.:40:34.

think communities should be present, active and involved in supporting

:40:34.:40:39.

those in crisis. It is a failure of the welfare state that there are so

:40:39.:40:43.

many people in cry he is, we have to be realist, there will be people

:40:43.:40:47.

with their pensions stolen, people with probbleplts with a fire in a

:40:47.:40:51.

house -- problems with a fire in a house, people with a problem on

:40:51.:40:56.

losing their jobs, company going bust, and a hiatus while we sort

:40:56.:40:59.

out whether or not they can get jobseeker's allowance and so on.

:40:59.:41:05.

There is those things. But this is a volume increase that is not

:41:05.:41:09.

acceptable. We spend �150 billion a year in this country on welfare.

:41:09.:41:13.

You are saying it is not enough? I'm not saying that the amount that

:41:13.:41:19.

is spent is not enough. What I'm saying is that we face reality.

:41:19.:41:22.

There are a large number and growing number of people in the

:41:22.:41:25.

country who do not have enough money to get to the end of the week

:41:25.:41:29.

and being supported by foodbanks. The question is, if you take a

:41:29.:41:34.

broader look at tax-payers' money and how it is spent, if they are

:41:34.:41:40.

not fed and lose their house, and a family broken up, the costs to the

:41:40.:41:44.

taxpayer, consequential is much higher. Net numbers did a survey of

:41:44.:41:48.

people struggling to feed -- net mums did a survey about people

:41:48.:41:53.

struggling to feed their children, a third of those revealed they were

:41:53.:41:56.

receiving mental health treatment in the anxiety of being poor. That

:41:56.:41:59.

costs a lot more of putting the situation right in the first place,

:41:59.:42:06.

with the proper policy on welfare. What do you say to someone who says

:42:06.:42:11.

there is a problem with the benefits system, bureaucracies are

:42:11.:42:14.

inefficient at times, and there have to be penalties for people who

:42:14.:42:18.

don't seek work, and there comes a time when people are crucially

:42:18.:42:21.

short of funds. There is no alternative to this sort of

:42:21.:42:27.

operation, is there? No, and I don't think we should object to the

:42:27.:42:31.

fact that it has sprung up. It is the consequence of policy?

:42:31.:42:35.

problem with policy is we have a vastly centralised welfare state,

:42:35.:42:42.

whereby we attempt to implement universal rules, with no respect or

:42:42.:42:44.

recognition of the very difficult particular circumstances that

:42:44.:42:48.

families find themselves in. I think it is not surprising we get

:42:48.:42:53.

into these terrible bureaucratic tangles at the centre of Government

:42:53.:42:58.

W a department responsible for administering millions of people's

:42:58.:43:02.

personal incomes from a single office in the centre of London. We

:43:02.:43:05.

need to localise welfare, so local communities are more responsible

:43:05.:43:09.

for the way welfare is handed out. I think there does need to be a

:43:09.:43:12.

greater role for independent organisations like Chris's, who

:43:12.:43:15.

actually have proper relationships with the people they are working

:43:15.:43:18.

with, they know the people they are handing out food to. They can

:43:18.:43:24.

decide when that is needed and when it isn't. They can begin to treat

:43:24.:43:28.

benefit claimants as human beings rather than statistics. But to

:43:28.:43:32.

employ sanctions upon people, to say, you will not get your benefit,

:43:32.:43:38.

if you don't do X or Y, that is not to treat people as human beings?

:43:38.:43:41.

is, it is to treat them as responsible human beings who have

:43:41.:43:45.

to make choices for themselves like everybody else. There is ultimately

:43:45.:43:48.

a limit to the amount of money the taxpayer has to spend on people. It

:43:48.:43:51.

is good and right that the community, society as a whole,

:43:52.:43:56.

takes responsibility for the distuet and the poor. I'm sorry, I

:43:56.:44:00.

represent one of the communities you are talking about. The people I

:44:00.:44:02.

represent saying they are not responsible is hog wash. You are

:44:02.:44:06.

talking about treating the symptoms not the cause. You believe in

:44:06.:44:10.

sanctions too? I run jobs fairs in my local community and hundreds of

:44:10.:44:14.

people turn up. They want good, decent well paid jobs, and a

:44:14.:44:17.

Government creative in helping them. Why isn't the Government doing

:44:17.:44:20.

something about the cost of energy, it is going up, we could do

:44:20.:44:23.

something about the cartels running the industries, it could cut one

:44:23.:44:27.

bill coming in this winter. Not something about the cost of credit

:44:27.:44:31.

and transport. It is not just about the welfare state, Danny, good

:44:31.:44:36.

Government is creative, intelligent and works with local communities to

:44:36.:44:40.

tackle the problems. Could you help us on the policies, where do you

:44:40.:44:45.

get your money from? From the public and grant-makers. No money

:44:45.:44:49.

from Government at all. Can people come to you indefinitely? No they

:44:49.:44:53.

can't. We offer at least three days of nutritionally balanced food, and

:44:53.:44:57.

we will help people for up to two weeks and there about. There is a

:44:57.:45:00.

straight forward reason for that. We are in support of health

:45:00.:45:03.

visitors, social workers and others, we want to collaberate, and make

:45:03.:45:08.

sure that the Government services actually pick up the long-term

:45:08.:45:11.

responsibility. That is a good thing? Absolutely, the things I do

:45:11.:45:17.

in my local community are about partnership. People in Waltham stow

:45:17.:45:23.

don't just need us to work together to get rid of the worst choices of

:45:23.:45:28.

the Government. If people are out of work they are not paying taxes,

:45:28.:45:32.

the amount of money to invest is going down too. It is false economy.

:45:32.:45:37.

When we know what works in tackling the illegal loan sharks. We all

:45:37.:45:42.

want more jobs and the growth that will create that jobs. We all want

:45:42.:45:46.

clever Government that reduces the cost of living. Tell them to get on

:45:46.:45:49.

with it. They are trying hard. There is a huge problem with the

:45:49.:45:52.

welfare culture, you talk about your community, the community I

:45:52.:45:55.

work with is people involved in crime or at risk of getting

:45:55.:45:59.

involved in crime. They are the products of generations of

:45:59.:46:02.

welfareism, it is a culture, they are not expected to work for a

:46:02.:46:06.

living, they should be waiting on Government to sort out all their

:46:06.:46:13.

problems, it is enovated the spir the of too many inner city families.

:46:13.:46:17.

There is huge Welfare Bills. There has to be an end. The Government

:46:18.:46:22.

has to reduce the spending for economic reasons, but more

:46:22.:46:25.

important is the moral responsibility and has to bring

:46:25.:46:30.

back spirit. I'm as tough as anyone with the people who don't take

:46:30.:46:34.

chances offered, why does the Government cancel the Future Jobs

:46:34.:46:37.

Fund. You are making a broader political point. The reality has to

:46:37.:46:43.

be more than half the people, half of 200,000 people that we help this

:46:43.:46:47.

coming year will be in work. In households that are working. We

:46:47.:46:50.

have a serious problem in the country with inequality, with lowk

:46:50.:46:55.

in its and rising prices. -- low incomes, with rising prices, rents

:46:55.:46:58.

going up. We heard on the film all the pressures people have to face.

:46:58.:47:02.

The one bit that gives is the food that they put on the table. Often

:47:02.:47:06.

it is the food that parents put on the table for themselves. They

:47:06.:47:11.

prioritise the children, but even then, we end up feeding 45,000

:47:11.:47:16.

children last year. Tomorrow save the children will launch a

:47:16.:47:21.

fundraising campaign for British youngsters for the -- Save The

:47:21.:47:25.

Children will launch a fundraising campaign for British youngsters for

:47:25.:47:30.

the first time ever. We will hear from children affected by the

:47:30.:47:33.

recession tomorrow. We are struggling to pay the bills. My dad

:47:33.:47:38.

works two jobs, but I don't really get to see him much. When he's off

:47:38.:47:45.

Download Subtitles

SRT

ASS