10/09/2012 Newsnight


Analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Jeremy Paxman. GCSE exam trouble, Stephen Hawking, and what will be the legacy from the summer of sport?

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The weeks of exhileration, the weeks of pleasure, and let's be


frank, the weeks of pride are over. What, if anything, has changed as a


result of the Olympics. Mo Farah for Great Britain, it's gold.


this some summertime indulgence on which even the weather seemed to


shine, or is it possible the politicians might be right in


saying it marked a profound shift in how we think about ourselves, a


fling or a transformation? Cleverer minds than most of us certainly see


some things have changed. The great success of the Paralympics has


shown that disabled athletes are just like any other athletes, and


should lead to disabled people being accepted as full members of


society. We will have a 13-minute time trial of the effect of the


Olympics and Paralympics. Welsh teenagers are to have some of their


GCSEs regraded. Why aren't English teenagers entitled to expect the


same. And speaking of the Olympics, we


know why these people were winners, but can you trust the Business


Secretary and his friends to choose which will be the companies that


tax-payers should back. There were hundreds of thousands on


the streets of London today, cheering on the prosession of


vehicles carrying British athletes through the streets of the capital.


At the end of the Paralympics. They, thanked the crowd and various


politicians turned up, hoping to bask in the reflected glory. David


Cameron believes the summer of 2012 will linger in the public


imagination like 1966, the year England won the football World Cup.


Maybe. Everyone agrees the Olympics were bri brilliantly staged, and to


use the devalued word "awesome", then with �9 billion to spend, they


ought to have been. Is this talk of legacy and some lasting impact


worth paying heed to. Before that we have this.


Summer is over, the schools are back, and for the first time in


weeks and weeks there isn't someone in red, white and blue trying to


win a medal on the tele. This was one last chance to bunk off work


and play hooky. Of course there was a lot more to the victory parade


than that. For the 800 athletes who took part in it, for the volunteer


games makers, and for a great many who turned out to line the route


through central London. When Britain won the games, we, or at


least the Government, promised to make the country a world leader in


sport. To transform the East End of London, and to inspire a generation


of young people. They also said they would make the Olympic Park a


model for sustainable living, and show that the UK is a creative,


inclusive and welcoming place to live, visit and do business.


So how has that been going then? Is it true, as some maintain, that


this summer of sport marks a sea change in our attitudes. You have


noticed the change in people's attitudes over the last summer. Me,


personally, I would like to see that continue. Are you nice to


other people? I'm always nice to other people. I have been raised to


be that way. I like your look, are they from Specsavers? They should!


Do you think this is a good turning point in the country? I hope so.


People have short memories, don't they? I'm afraid, when I was at the


station coming this morning, instead of thanking us, people were


clearing their throats, how embarrassing. Some people are


talking a bit fancifully about this being a sea change in the country?


About time. Is it true? It is up to the media to report positive news.


Shoot the message injure? You can report positive -- Messenger?


you report positive as well as negative stuff. Within ten minutes


you weren't looking at disabled athletes but athletes. That has


carried on. You are more aware of people with disabilities, because


it is in the press, in a positive way. You glance at someone in a


wheel chai, you think, cool. That's a bit weird. The Mayor of London


credited the GB athletes with uniting the country. And making the


host city a friendlier place. was your achievement. You brought


this country together in a way we never expected. You routed the


doubters, and you scattered the gloomsters, and the first time in


living memory, you made Tube passengers break into spontaneous


conversation with their neighbours about subjects other than their


trod-on toes. That all seemed to go rather well,


didn't it. But will there be a long and lasting legacy? The "L" word. I


have been speaking to somebody who has had a very prominent role


during this summer of sport. Ever since the dawn of civilisation,


people have craved for an understanding of the underlying


order of the world. Professor Stephen Hawking was an inspired,


and inspirational booking for the opening night of the Paralympics.


Newsnight met him on the roof of his office at Cambridge University.


As the games were drawing to a close. My more books in the offing?


Maybe. Yes. Good. I began by asking him about society's view of people


with disabilities, and if the Paralympics had made a difference?


Disability used to be regarded as a sign of a curse by God. It was


shameful and to be hidden away. This is still the attitude in many


countries, but I'm glad to say that in western Europe and America,


people have come to realise that the disabled are normal people, who


just happen to have certain special difficulties. The great success of


the Paralympics, has shown that disabled athletes are just like any


other athletes and should lead to disabled people being accepted as


full members of society. Do you think this country is becoming


better or worse for people with disability to live in? This country


is now much better for disabled people than it used to be.


Buildings to which the public have access, now have lifts and disabled


toilets and the kerb has been lowered in many places. This


country is not yet as good for disabled people as the United


States, but it is improving. Paralympics has been a rare


platform for showing what people with disability can do. And what


science and technology can do for them. I believe science should do


everything possible to prevent or cure disability. No-one wants to be


disabled if it can be avoided. weren't expected to live very long


with your condition. Is there one single thing, you think, that has


helped you more than anything else to enjoy the life that you have


had? I was diagnosed with motor neurone disease at the age of 21.


This is a condition for which there is, as yet, no cure, and which


usually kills its victim in two or three years. That I'm still alive


at the age of 70 is due, in large part, to the excellent care I have


received. It has also helped that I have been successful in my


scientific career. This has kept me active, and I travel a lot,


although I'm almost paralised. I hope my example will give


encouragement and hope to others in similar situations, never give up.


Let's talk about some of the consequences, or absence of


consequences of the Olympics and Paralympics with Jodie Cundy, who


first competed in the Paralympic Games in 1996. He has switched


sports from swimming to cycling, and secured a bronze last week.


Anne Watkinss won an Olympic gold in the women's double skulls rowing,


also here is the novelist and gold medal come muj I don't know, Will


Self, and the actor and musician Mat Fraser, who you might have seen


playing drums with Coldplay in the closing ceremony. Before we talk


about Paralympics and disability, the general effect, do you think it


has had an effect on us, what effect? It has definitely had an


effect. One of the reasons I was beaming from ear-to-ear as I was


drumming last night, although it is a great pleasure to play with


Coldplay, is I was looking around at 70,000 people cheering it on in


this great frothy feeling of he can sub regins that has accumulated


over the weeks -- exuburance, that has accumulated over the weeks. It


has certainly "normalised" Paralympic sport and brought it up


to equal. You used the word "frothy", if it is all just froth,


Cameron is talking nonsense when he's talking about lasting legacy.


Do you get the sense of some lasting impact of this summer of


sport? For the Paralympic side of things, there is a huge lasting


legacy for the first time the Paralympics has been in people's


front rooms, and you have athletes and disabilities on show. There is


so many people who have seen the Paralympics, and can be inspired by


what abilities the paralympians have and they have shown the world.


You also want to talk about the Paralympics, we might as well start


talking about the impact upon how we view disability. There actually


is, you are a paralympian, you are an olympian, the difference between


the two of you, and me, or Will, is not that you are called disabled


and you are not disabled, it is that you are both athletes and we


are not. That's the difference isn't it, surely that's it?


elite athletes. I like to think of myself as an athlete of sorts, I'm


just not an elite athlete. It is a non-trifleian point. I mean it was,


you know, great to hear Stephen Hawking speaking, let's be blunt


about this, the reason he's still travelling internationally at the


age of 70 is because he's the greatest living Theoretical


Physicist, if you put that into the balance t seems to me arguably


still more profound than the motor neurone disease. The reason he can


say that conditions are better in the United States is because he's a


socioeconomic position to experience it. If you go to Chicago


you see a lot of people with disabilities with no health


insurance pushing shopping trolleys. That is a point that unfortunately


has to be paid. Picking up on that, also, we are, the three of us,


gentlemen, ordinary watchers of sport, and these guys are the


superhuman logo tag that you have given them. They are unbelievable


gold medal winners. Most disabled people, like most non-disabled


people, want to sit at home and watch it on tele. They don't want


to go through what you guys have gone through to obtain those levels.


If the conversation is has it made Britain a more understanding place


of disability? Yeah, as long as we are not all expected kill ourselves


getting a gold medal. Do you worry about that? That we now look at


disabled paralympians differently, perhaps to the way some people look


to them beforehand, but most disabled people aren't


paralympians? As a paralympian, that is what we have been striving


for, that recognition that we are elite athletes first and foremost.


And we do the same job the olympians do and get the same


credit for it, we may be missing legs or can't use them, or missing


arms. That is just the part of it. Do you think that attitudes to


disability have been profoundly and lastingly changed this summer?


hope so. How much the Paralympics has been in the public eye, whether


in the press, on the TV, it's highlighted disability out to the


world. I mean people almost shy away from these things. To have it


in your front screen, every night, at prime time, that's a perfect


platform for us to show the world, and go out there.


Will Self? I think the kind of prime time moment that will stay


with me from the Paralympics, along, not that I saw a lot of it. I


caught this, was George Osborne being resolutely booed at an


awards-giving ceremony. That is because an awful lot of people


sitting in the stands are either carers or people who are disabled


themselves who understand that one of the corporate sponsors of the


Paralympics is the company involved in really quite punitively docking


disabled people's allowances at the moment. So there was an enormous


mental conflict going on with people there. It's always an


invidious comparison to make, and my friends who are disabled


activists and my friends from ethnic minorities dislike it, but


it needs to be made, if there was a seminal moment in the games in


terms of the Black Power movement that was in Mexico in 1968 and made


the Black Power slut. Our Osborne moment at the Paralympics -- salute,


or Osborne moment at the Paralympics was when Osborne was


booed. I think there was a strong understanding that kind of


acceptance does not equal disabled people being treated to economic or


social justice. I totally agree. Further to that,


excuse me, is that the major experience of disability, by most


non-disabled people, is through the media. Unless the media start


reframing the way that we are represented, and not always it


being a problem, and we are just people who live lives, and are


equal. As we have seen, over the last few weeks. But they have to


continue that, we have to see disabled people in dramas, in all


sorts of output, as equals, as we are. As we have proved we are, at a


sporting level. I think that will be the true test of it, as well as,


quite rightly, what Will has said. I think it has come across strongly


through the Paralympics, the way Paralympic athletes have been


presented is through their personalities. Yes, there is


stories that involve inevitable hardship to do with disabilities,


but other aspects of their life. The thing that has come through


more strongly than what particular disability they have to cope with,


is who they are at people. I think it is that reframing that will


transform the way people see that. Let's broaden it out, we are told


by David Cameron, and various other politicians, that this was a great


moment in the redefining of Britishness. You saw people walking


around proudly with the Union Jack, which in other circumstances has


been the preserve, for example, of the extreme right. Has something


changed in the way we think about ourselves, do you think? I think


there's an understanding of what it means to be British. Whether that


actually changes how people go on to behave, remains to be seen. But,


I think going back to the Second World War, people knew what the


British spirit was, we have lost that, and we have got it back.


Whether we behave like that, we don't know, we behaved like that


for two weeks during the Olympics and like that during the


Paralympics. This is an instinctive thing. It is perhaps unfair to ask


you to define it, have you thought about it? I think that people have


seen that as a public we can be generous with our time, we can


volunteer, we can make things happen for other people that


doesn't necessarily benefit ourselves directly, and we can see


the impact of that on society as a whole and it does benefit everybody.


That has been demonstrated quite strongly perhaps that is an example


people will want to follow in the future. How did it strike you?


most significant moment for me in the coverage I saw in the last few


days was a man who had worked as a volunteer, in the Olympic Park, and


he was saying what a great sense of spirit among the people who have


worked as volunteers and they were so sad that now the Paralympics was


ending, they would, in many cases, would be going on to the dole, and


it was sad that they had no jobs to go to. If you are what you are


talking about, Anna, is true, there should be an enormous upsurge in


this country of the trying to address the needs of the less well-


off, and an enormous acceptance that wealth doesn't trickle down


like a kas said to those who are well-off. I don't necessarily get a


feeling about that. I don't discount for a minute that


psychologically there has been a real lift, how long it will last.


This is �9 billion that could have been spent a whole lot better?


is pointless to say that now, I absented myself. We were not


welcome at the court of King Coe! I don't think the legacy, the lasting


legacy of the games will prove, I wish it would, would prove to be a


great spirit of inclusiveness and grit. Surely there will be more


volunteering in the future. People have seen, the volunteers we have


spoken to today have said these were the best years of their lives?


You expect theingen to volunteering. People have to work for a leaving.


But I think that the volunteers in sport that I come across, that


coach kids, they have seen how wonderful that's been. What about


the legacy in sport itself? That is a no-brainer, there are people


queuing up, we can't cope with them in rowing at the moment. The amount


of messages I have had of saying that I have inspired people to go


and do something, go out and jump on their bike, get in a swimming


pool. Purely because we competed at the games and showed the world what


we can do. Just from that, that's already getting people doing


sufficient is it. If that is -- stuff, if that is one or two people


going swim organise a ride. That inspiration d swimming or a ride,


that understand pier -- going swimming or a ride, the inspiration


of people means the whole system will build on itself. There is only


a limited number of people who will get to the elite levels you guys


are at. For most people enjoyment of sport is something completely


different? I think there is more enjoyment in sport when you don't


do it to the level we do it at. That is a very telling thing to say.


I think elite athletics is a very, very interesting thing,


psychologically. What it does to people. It seems to me, and I don't


mean no disrespect to what you do, that it seems to me to be curiously


similar to our obsession with competitiveness and elite


performance in other areas of national life, like financial


services, for example. There seems to be an absolute preoccupation


with winning and securing victories in that way. And how about a little


more co-operation rather than competition. Travelling in a rowing


boat will teach you about co- operation. I concur with everything


that's been said, I think the sporting aspect is a no-brainer,


but I also agree with Will. What about the broader point about


whether, the suggestion, it doesn't matter whether it is Boris Johnson


or David Cameron, all sorts of people are saying now it is a


different kind of country, is it? It certainly feels like it at the


moment. I'm a Londoner, and London feels really happy at the moment.


Slightly more so than usual. I wonder if when I'm slogging away on


tour in the autumn, whether more people will come to my shows,


because they are less scared of the image that disabled people present


in entertainment, which is my sphere. That's how I will feel the


change. If there are more bums on seats, you know. I very much, for


me I'm just going to return to Dr Paul Dark said it is all about the


image and media. If we see more inclusion of disabled people as


equals n this industry, the television and film industry, we


will be able to say things are going to be better. Lord Coe said


last night that, he had had a phrase, "now it's up to you" in a


rather patronising, in a doubtless, perfectly meant way? Me personally?


No all of us really! I accept what Matt says, I accept the point about


people signing up for sport. Who would deny that is a good thing.


London, London was out of recession a while back. If you carve off


tower hamlets and forest Hill and the -- Forest Hill, and the bits of


the East End slightly below the Olympic Park. Tell it to them in


the north-east. I wonder what the atmosphere is like in Tyneside or


South Shields and in Merseyside, whether people are walking about


with a bounce in their step? I was up for the weekend to Staffordshire,


there is a golden post box, and there is a definite spring in their


step. It could be your presence. You could be having a bubble


effect? I do think, because Olympic athletes come from all over the


country, it has reached out in a way I didn't expect it to. Leaving


your own experience aside, can you imagine this summer without the


Olympics and the Paralympics? don't think I could. We had the


Diamond Jubilee, which was a massive celebration of being


British, but I can't imagine what it would have been like with no


Olympics, no Paralympics, and no show to the world. Thank you all


very much. Oh to be Welsh, it is not often you


hear that in England or Northern Ireland, but if you were one of the


young people who sat their GCSE in English this year, you might well


feel that way. The Education Minister and the principality has


asked for papers to be regraded, after it became clear, that between


last winter and this summer it got harder for pupils to achieve higher


grades. The same situation applies in England. But there is to be no


regrading for the many more people affected there. Sanchia Berg is


with us now. Just explain briefly what is happening? What is


happening, Newsnight has been following closely since the results


qaim out. On the day results came out, you will remember that they


were lower than people expected in English or predicted. That was


especially the case in Wales. The minister for education, Leighton


Andrews, asked the ministers to hold an inquiry, and he got the


results this week. Today he recommended that the exams sat by


students in Wales be regraded. I asked him why? We had a detailed


report from our regulatory official, which looked at why grades had


fallen 3.9% over the previous year. And bear in mind when changes to


exam qualifications take place over GCSE, they are meant to have


comparable outcomes year on year. They haven't. We went into it in


considerable detail, it is a dry, sober and technical report T


concludes that the results this year were unjustifiable and unfair


to students. Does this just apply to Wales? Counterintuitively, it


turns out that the Welsh Exam Board is the second-biggest provider of


GCSE grading in England. Thousands of students in England have sat the


same exam, they are not covered by the Welsh decision, Ofqual has said


there will be no regrading. You have this position of students in


England and Wales sitting the same exam on the same day, getting the


same marks, but because they are in a different country, getting a


different grade. There is to be a Select Committee investigation?


and they will be starting hearings tomorrow. They will be aware of the


Welsh decision, but also of a story that is developing now, which is


being published in the Times Educational Supplement On-line.


They have obtained leaked correspondence, between Ofqual, and


one of the exam boards, which dates from two weeks before the results


are published. It shows how Ofqual was putting pressure on the Exam


Boards to change the grade boundaries, right at the last


minute. It is interesting, because I had had spoken to Ofqual a couple


of weeks ago, and they said, no, we don't get involved in the detail of


where to set the grade boundaries N this case they appear to have done


it. And they did it, so fewer students would get that grade C.


What are Ofqual going to do now, here, in England? They have said


that students can resit. They have said that students who sat the exam


in January, just got a lucky break. The Times Educational Supplement,


put this leaked correspondence to them. They said in that case they


had behaved properly, and they are entitled to challenge the Exam


Boards and intervene if they think standards are not being met. But


former member of the governing board of Ofqual has said that he


thinks that's not a sustainable position, and that the position of


the Chief Regulator is untenable. She will be, I think, one of the


first witnesses at the Select Committee tomorrow.


Now the Business Secretary is going to revolutionise this country by


setting enterprise free. He didn't put it quite as grandiloquently,


that is not his style. But he is going to appropriate the Olympics


tomorrow, to talk about how the Government will transform the


economy. They are apparently going to back businesses with great


prospect. But that was, of course, a promise made when they took


office. Which rather raises the question of why it has taken over


two years to get round to it. Allegra Stratton reports.


The Prime Minister as wife loves LF Lowry, she even put one inside


Number Ten. Everyone loves him, match stick cats and dogs. But now


a rather too match stick industry base. Few discernable champions for


manufacturing over the last few years, politicians or painter.


Tomorrow we get an industrial strategy, even though the two words


send a shiver down the spine of many free marketeers. Industrial


strategy equals British Leyland, the motor company that successive


Governments poured money into in the 1970s to no avail. Now the


Liberal Democrat Business Secretary wants one, and because the Tory


backbenchers have backed him, he will get one. You would think the


politicians know better than to appropriate the Olympic Games for a


political argument. This passing bandwagon was too good to resist,


planning, investment, clear ambitious vision, the Olympics had


it all. Tomorrow Vince Cable will say industrial policy should have


it too. There will be a small business bank to help lend to small


businesses, a long-held Cable wish. Sectors like Aerospace and cars,


requiring long-term strategic investment in research and


development from Government, will get it. And a little unfamiliar to


the match stick factory workers, the knowledge industry gets support


too. Cable pledges support from the Government will support risky,


ground-breaking technologies, that futurologists believe will be key


in the next 20 years. The Business Secretary felt some hostility in


the Commons today. I hate to say this to the secretary for business,


but there isn't cross-party support from this particular position. That


sounded to me like a statement that any Labour minister could have made


in the previous administration. It talked about state intervention,


picking winners, and nothing about cutting red tape and regulation.


For some, neither history nor geography back Peter Bone up.


countries like France, Japan, southyia, famous for successful


industry policy, industry policy is the policy of the centre right


parties. So that it is a British peculiarly that the centre right


party doesn't believe in Government involvement with industry. And also


that few people know it, but actually Britain is the country


that more or less invented the modern industry policy, because all


this belief practised by Walpole was a version of industrial policy


that transformed from the British economy to a raw material exporter,


reliant on wool, into a manufacturing nation. The story MP,


George Freeman is the MP for mid- Norfolk, that includes Cambridge


University, he's also the Government as life science adviser,


and a pros thigheser. We are setting out the industries where


Britain punching well above their weight, areas like life sciences,


and the automotive sector, we rebuilt that sector, it was the


best of failed industrial policy in the 1970s, we rebuilt it on


technology, and what we do best, through that and focus on Formula


One we have rebuilt it. We have become a net importer of cars this


week. Are you saying this wouldn't help without Government help?


about looking at where we spend every Government pound, can we use


it better to support growth. There remain niggling doubts, can even


the most far-sighted futurologistings pick winners. They


won't pick winners Leyland-style, they will be smarter? I have a


problem with that, technology will be a good sector, but what does it


mean. We saw in recent years that everybody thought mobile phones


were a great sector to be in, they thought the winning formula was


about carrying phone calls. It was mobile phone companies handling


phone call, it turns out that is a ufillity business, all the value,


worth and jobs, will be -- utility business, all the value will be


worth jobs in handsets. They should be laying conditions for the


overall economy to be more competitive, more conducive to job


creation and entreprenurial business. They should let a flowers


boom and let companies innovate and great work. There is picking


winners, losers and downright troublemakers. Since the reshuffle,


the Lib Dems and the Conservatives have their economic bover boys.


They all enjoy intervening before breakfast, lunch and dinner, and


possibly in each other's portfolios. Since then they have all won prizes,


the Lib Dems have won their industrial strategy, and the Tories


on deregulation. They will want to go further, that will probably


require an industrial effort. Vince Cable used to call for his


department, the department for Trade and Industry, as it was then


known, to be dismantled, the Conservatives used to dismantle the


concept of industrial strategy. But today's economy requires all hands


to the pump. For the time being, the two sides are pulling together,


not pulling apart. The new Business Minister, Matthew Hancock is here,


and in Brighton, where he has been attending the Trades Union Congress


is Chuka Umunna. This isn't a million miles away from what you do


is it? I have been arguing for us to have a proper comprehensive


industrial strategy, that doesn't only involve creating the


conditions for the private sector to flourish, but also involves us


thinking about stragically where we are strong. Frankly, we admitted


during our time in Government, and Peter Mandelson has said the


approach he took to this, in his first stint he is DTI, was very


different from the second. The first was very nervous about having


an activist Government policy, where you actually work stragically


with sectors to grow them. Having spent a decent amount of time in


Europe as Trade Commissioner, and seeing what happens happening


around the world. He started very much to prosecute an active


industrial strategy, because it was clear with the growing demand


coming from the east, as a global middle-class balloons from 1.8


billion to over 5 billion. We need to think stragically, how to grow


the sectors where we have a competitive edge, and advantage to


meet the demand. Keith thing is this, left to its own devices, the


market don't do that. I wouldn't necessarily advocate returning to a


1970s version of picking winning companies. But I certainly think we


do need to look at picking winning sectors. The key thing is this,


Peter was able to prosecute this strategy in Government, crucially,


because the Treasury and Number Ten bought into the strategy. Nobody


really believes that this is something that George Osborne, and


it will be probably talked about, buys into. They think the best


thing can you do now is deregulate. Let's find out. You have the full


support of the Chancellor in this, have you? Of course, Chuka says,


nobody really believes they buy into it. I believe they buy into it.


I know they do. I will explain why. It is very straight forward. It is


about finding the places that Britain is good at. And not only


celebrating them, but supporting the sectors that we have done very


well at. Why has it taken two years to get around to it? That is an


exaggeration. For a start, this has been going on since the Government


came to office, improving the competitiveness of Britain has been


on the agenda, all the time. For instance, you know, we have gone up


the competitiveness rankings, and there is nine, hold on, 900,000 new


jobs in the business This policy statement that your boss, Vince


Cable, is making tomorrow. This is something he could have said at any


time in the last two years, it is not a new policy, then? What he's


doing is putting meat on the bones. I wonder why he's bothering to make


the speech, that's all? It is very straight forward. He has been


working on this for a couple of years. You saw George Freeman, he


has been working on the life science element of it. When this


Government came to office, there was very little of the work on this


done. There is a key area that is also being announced this week, and


was announced today by the Government. That is making sure,


where the Government helps, we need to be there, but where the


Government gets in the way and has regulation that is are unhelpful,


they have to be taken away. It has taken you two years to realise


that? When we arrived in office, it took a long time to work out what


regulations hit business. Because the Government simply didn't know.


This is ridiculous, we set up the better regulation executive, and


the regulatory policy committee to work and lessen the regulatory


budget as much as possible. There are three problems in the way they


have sought to prosecute industrial strategy since they came to office.


First, they have singularly failed to back various sectors. They have


said in the defence industry we are buying off the shelf in the US. In


the other industries they haven't taken into account in procurement


to take into account problems like the French and Germans do. You have


to have the institutional architecture, that is why we have


argued for a British investment bank. Not something rebadging of


existing schemes, we say there is a case for proper badges. This is the


main complaint I get from businesses, this is something that


Matthew will get day in day out, when he meets with them. They need


policy certainty to make long-term investment decisions. There has


been a huge amount of policy uncertainty created by the


Government. Whether it is renewables, even planning


announcements. Chuka Umunna mentions specific things there. He


mentions renewables, trains and so on. Give us some specifics of the


sort of industries that you now plan to back, to choose to back?


Let me give you one very clear example in automotive. Before that


make a broader point. Chuka Umunna started by saying it was all a good


idea. The tone of this debate will be far better if it were


constructive, rather than picking on particular points. Let me answer


the question. Give us the example? Tomorrow, I will be announcing,


that one of the things we need to do, is make sure that the skills


that we build in this country, and the apprenticeships, are better


directed by what business needs, rather than by providers or by


Government. So Nissan, and Rolls- Royce, will now be designing their


own course is as, within apprentice -- Corsas, within apprenticeships,


so people without skills and they will provide the skills they need.


We know the most productive automaticive -- automotive factory


in the world. When we talk about the automotive industry, where we


starteded in Government. You want a long-term plan. You want a long-


term proposal, I'm putting forward a plan. That has led to the results


we are seeing now, that is something Vince Cable has admitted


to. He has mentioned specific examples, do you support the action


that the Government proposes to take there or not? We haven't seen


the detail, because Vince Cable said he would spell it out tot


tomorrow. I welcome the broad approach. In terms of using the


larger companies to help broker a present tisship -- apprenticeships,


I have been arguing for that for many months now. You think it is a


good idea? I said it is in the House of Commons today, I think an


industrial strategy is very important, you have to deliver it.


Another example is there will be a state-backed, small business


investment bank, to make sure that money get to the small businesses,


who we know there is a big credit problem. We hope the Labour Party


will back that. There is another specific. With respect, we have


been arguing looking at the skraigs of a investment business bank for a


-- creation of an investment business bank for a long time now.


Let's see the detail, in so far as the stuff the Chancellor said about


this is concerned, at the moment the British chambers of commerce


are saying, they are simply seeking to put together a range of


different financial schemes that already exist, and rebadge that a


bank. That would not be a bank. That would not suffice. One more


example, we want to make sure that procurement benefits British


companies particularly. And Government buys about one seventh


of the stuff we produce, we should think stragically and about the


sectors we are good at and support British business there. You are


against British justice? There is wriggle room and we make the most


of it. They haven't done that. Look at the train situation, Bombardier,


and defence, you will have defence ministers saying we will buy off


the shelf in the US. The rules for the bombardia contract are changed


under Labour, and we are changing the results for that reason.


During the London Games, one politician in particular has been


basking in the glow of the Olympic Flame. Here is London mayor, Boris


Johnson, addressing athletes and volunteers at the parade at the end


of the games. Showed every child in this country that success is not


just about talent and luck, but about grit and guts and hard work.


And coming back from defeat. By the way you showed fantastic grace and


victory, and amazing courage in defeat. Speaking as a spectator,


you produced such parrotisms of tears and joy on the sofas of


Britain. That you probably not only inspired a generation, but helped


to create one as well. I can get away with that! When you compare


that, Allegra Stratton, has just joined us. When you compare that


with the booing that George Osborne got, what do you conclude? Somebody


looks more likely to be the next story Prime Minister. From the


Business Minister -- can business ministers fighting just now, to


Bill Clinton, at the Democratic National Convention. But this is


London, and not the Tory faithful. The problem for us oven the summer


is begin we are doing things about Boris's popularity, now you have


the Boris show going on even if the Olympics finish tomorrow evening.


You have conference shortly, where he will give a speech. Then you


have the possibility looming over David Cameron's head, for however


long, he could come back and fight a by-election over Heathrow. He is


hoving into view rather rather than away from view. There was a


correspondent from other TV situation poo pooing that Boris


Johnson is being talked about as leader. But if you see how popular


he is with people who cast votes. Does he stand for anything, apart


from hisself? If you go through his colleagues and what he talks about,


you can say it is London politics, but he stands for something on


Europe and welfare cut, something on transport and something on


infrastruck stuer. Given his position, the mayor's powers are


imlimited. What surprised some of us over the summer, is it isn't


just a metropolitan thing, if you look at the polling across the


country, people do quite like him. There is a question, do you like


him, do you want to, did you respect him? Yes, but David Cameron


does better when he says who would you like to be Prime Minister.


There is a massive debate now between people who think he should


be taken seriously and not to be taken seriously. If you look at how


he goes down with a massive cloud. David Cameron became the warm-up


act this evening. act this evening.


That's all from nice night tonight, I will be back tomorrow, until then,


good night. We had quite a bit of cloud ayes


cross the country on Monday. Still managed 24 degrees in Kent. That is


all change for tomorrow. As we see the rain clearing away first thing


in the morning. A much cooler- feeling day with a mixture of


sunshine and showers. Quite a few showers across northern and eastern


parts of the country. There could be heavy downpours into


Lincolnshire. Not too many showers across the south coast, fine and


dry at 4.00. That brisk north- westerly breeze making it feel


cooler than it has done. Not too many showers here throughout the


afternoon. Most places you would be dry and fiep, sunshine around, one


or two across North Wales. Temperatures struggling in Northern


Ireland, 12, 13. In Scotland most of the clouds towards the west.


On the whole, here the best of the dry, bright weather, it remains


that way in Edinburgh through Tuesday and Wednesday, temperatures


around 13-14. Further south we will see sunshine, a few showers at


times. But the cloud then begins to increase through the day on


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