10/09/2012 Newsnight

The weeks of exhileration, the weeks of pleasure, and let's be

frank, the weeks of pride are over. What, if anything, has changed as a

result of the Olympics. Mo Farah for Great Britain, it's gold.

this some summertime indulgence on which even the weather seemed to

shine, or is it possible the politicians might be right in

saying it marked a profound shift in how we think about ourselves, a

fling or a transformation? Cleverer minds than most of us certainly see

some things have changed. The great success of the Paralympics has

shown that disabled athletes are just like any other athletes, and

should lead to disabled people being accepted as full members of

society. We will have a 13-minute time trial of the effect of the

Olympics and Paralympics. Welsh teenagers are to have some of their

GCSEs regraded. Why aren't English teenagers entitled to expect the

same. And speaking of the Olympics, we

know why these people were winners, but can you trust the Business

Secretary and his friends to choose which will be the companies that

tax-payers should back. There were hundreds of thousands on

the streets of London today, cheering on the prosession of

vehicles carrying British athletes through the streets of the capital.

At the end of the Paralympics. They, thanked the crowd and various

politicians turned up, hoping to bask in the reflected glory. David

Cameron believes the summer of 2012 will linger in the public

imagination like 1966, the year England won the football World Cup.

Maybe. Everyone agrees the Olympics were bri brilliantly staged, and to

use the devalued word "awesome", then with �9 billion to spend, they

ought to have been. Is this talk of legacy and some lasting impact

worth paying heed to. Before that we have this.

Summer is over, the schools are back, and for the first time in

weeks and weeks there isn't someone in red, white and blue trying to

win a medal on the tele. This was one last chance to bunk off work

and play hooky. Of course there was a lot more to the victory parade

than that. For the 800 athletes who took part in it, for the volunteer

games makers, and for a great many who turned out to line the route

through central London. When Britain won the games, we, or at

least the Government, promised to make the country a world leader in

sport. To transform the East End of London, and to inspire a generation

of young people. They also said they would make the Olympic Park a

model for sustainable living, and show that the UK is a creative,

inclusive and welcoming place to live, visit and do business.

So how has that been going then? Is it true, as some maintain, that

this summer of sport marks a sea change in our attitudes. You have

noticed the change in people's attitudes over the last summer. Me,

personally, I would like to see that continue. Are you nice to

other people? I'm always nice to other people. I have been raised to

be that way. I like your look, are they from Specsavers? They should!

Do you think this is a good turning point in the country? I hope so.

People have short memories, don't they? I'm afraid, when I was at the

station coming this morning, instead of thanking us, people were

clearing their throats, how embarrassing. Some people are

talking a bit fancifully about this being a sea change in the country?

About time. Is it true? It is up to the media to report positive news.

Shoot the message injure? You can report positive -- Messenger?

you report positive as well as negative stuff. Within ten minutes

you weren't looking at disabled athletes but athletes. That has

carried on. You are more aware of people with disabilities, because

it is in the press, in a positive way. You glance at someone in a

wheel chai, you think, cool. That's a bit weird. The Mayor of London

credited the GB athletes with uniting the country. And making the

host city a friendlier place. was your achievement. You brought

this country together in a way we never expected. You routed the

doubters, and you scattered the gloomsters, and the first time in

living memory, you made Tube passengers break into spontaneous

conversation with their neighbours about subjects other than their

trod-on toes. That all seemed to go rather well,

didn't it. But will there be a long and lasting legacy? The "L" word. I

have been speaking to somebody who has had a very prominent role

during this summer of sport. Ever since the dawn of civilisation,

people have craved for an understanding of the underlying

order of the world. Professor Stephen Hawking was an inspired,

and inspirational booking for the opening night of the Paralympics.

Newsnight met him on the roof of his office at Cambridge University.

As the games were drawing to a close. My more books in the offing?

Maybe. Yes. Good. I began by asking him about society's view of people

with disabilities, and if the Paralympics had made a difference?

Disability used to be regarded as a sign of a curse by God. It was

shameful and to be hidden away. This is still the attitude in many

countries, but I'm glad to say that in western Europe and America,

people have come to realise that the disabled are normal people, who

just happen to have certain special difficulties. The great success of

the Paralympics, has shown that disabled athletes are just like any

other athletes and should lead to disabled people being accepted as

full members of society. Do you think this country is becoming

better or worse for people with disability to live in? This country

is now much better for disabled people than it used to be.

Buildings to which the public have access, now have lifts and disabled

toilets and the kerb has been lowered in many places. This

country is not yet as good for disabled people as the United

States, but it is improving. Paralympics has been a rare

platform for showing what people with disability can do. And what

science and technology can do for them. I believe science should do

everything possible to prevent or cure disability. No-one wants to be

disabled if it can be avoided. weren't expected to live very long

with your condition. Is there one single thing, you think, that has

helped you more than anything else to enjoy the life that you have

had? I was diagnosed with motor neurone disease at the age of 21.

This is a condition for which there is, as yet, no cure, and which

usually kills its victim in two or three years. That I'm still alive

at the age of 70 is due, in large part, to the excellent care I have

received. It has also helped that I have been successful in my

scientific career. This has kept me active, and I travel a lot,

although I'm almost paralised. I hope my example will give

encouragement and hope to others in similar situations, never give up.

Let's talk about some of the consequences, or absence of

consequences of the Olympics and Paralympics with Jodie Cundy, who

first competed in the Paralympic Games in 1996. He has switched

sports from swimming to cycling, and secured a bronze last week.

Anne Watkinss won an Olympic gold in the women's double skulls rowing,

also here is the novelist and gold medal come muj I don't know, Will

Self, and the actor and musician Mat Fraser, who you might have seen

playing drums with Coldplay in the closing ceremony. Before we talk

about Paralympics and disability, the general effect, do you think it

has had an effect on us, what effect? It has definitely had an

effect. One of the reasons I was beaming from ear-to-ear as I was

drumming last night, although it is a great pleasure to play with

Coldplay, is I was looking around at 70,000 people cheering it on in

this great frothy feeling of he can sub regins that has accumulated

over the weeks -- exuburance, that has accumulated over the weeks. It

has certainly "normalised" Paralympic sport and brought it up

to equal. You used the word "frothy", if it is all just froth,

Cameron is talking nonsense when he's talking about lasting legacy.

Do you get the sense of some lasting impact of this summer of

sport? For the Paralympic side of things, there is a huge lasting

legacy for the first time the Paralympics has been in people's

front rooms, and you have athletes and disabilities on show. There is

so many people who have seen the Paralympics, and can be inspired by

what abilities the paralympians have and they have shown the world.

You also want to talk about the Paralympics, we might as well start

talking about the impact upon how we view disability. There actually

is, you are a paralympian, you are an olympian, the difference between

the two of you, and me, or Will, is not that you are called disabled

and you are not disabled, it is that you are both athletes and we

are not. That's the difference isn't it, surely that's it?

elite athletes. I like to think of myself as an athlete of sorts, I'm

just not an elite athlete. It is a non-trifleian point. I mean it was,

you know, great to hear Stephen Hawking speaking, let's be blunt

about this, the reason he's still travelling internationally at the

age of 70 is because he's the greatest living Theoretical

Physicist, if you put that into the balance t seems to me arguably

still more profound than the motor neurone disease. The reason he can

say that conditions are better in the United States is because he's a

socioeconomic position to experience it. If you go to Chicago

you see a lot of people with disabilities with no health

insurance pushing shopping trolleys. That is a point that unfortunately

has to be paid. Picking up on that, also, we are, the three of us,

gentlemen, ordinary watchers of sport, and these guys are the

superhuman logo tag that you have given them. They are unbelievable

gold medal winners. Most disabled people, like most non-disabled

people, want to sit at home and watch it on tele. They don't want

to go through what you guys have gone through to obtain those levels.

If the conversation is has it made Britain a more understanding place

of disability? Yeah, as long as we are not all expected kill ourselves

getting a gold medal. Do you worry about that? That we now look at

disabled paralympians differently, perhaps to the way some people look

to them beforehand, but most disabled people aren't

paralympians? As a paralympian, that is what we have been striving

for, that recognition that we are elite athletes first and foremost.

And we do the same job the olympians do and get the same

credit for it, we may be missing legs or can't use them, or missing

arms. That is just the part of it. Do you think that attitudes to

disability have been profoundly and lastingly changed this summer?

hope so. How much the Paralympics has been in the public eye, whether

in the press, on the TV, it's highlighted disability out to the

world. I mean people almost shy away from these things. To have it

in your front screen, every night, at prime time, that's a perfect

platform for us to show the world, and go out there.

Will Self? I think the kind of prime time moment that will stay

with me from the Paralympics, along, not that I saw a lot of it. I

caught this, was George Osborne being resolutely booed at an

awards-giving ceremony. That is because an awful lot of people

sitting in the stands are either carers or people who are disabled

themselves who understand that one of the corporate sponsors of the

Paralympics is the company involved in really quite punitively docking

disabled people's allowances at the moment. So there was an enormous

mental conflict going on with people there. It's always an

invidious comparison to make, and my friends who are disabled

activists and my friends from ethnic minorities dislike it, but

it needs to be made, if there was a seminal moment in the games in

terms of the Black Power movement that was in Mexico in 1968 and made

the Black Power slut. Our Osborne moment at the Paralympics -- salute,

or Osborne moment at the Paralympics was when Osborne was

booed. I think there was a strong understanding that kind of

acceptance does not equal disabled people being treated to economic or

social justice. I totally agree. Further to that,

excuse me, is that the major experience of disability, by most

non-disabled people, is through the media. Unless the media start

reframing the way that we are represented, and not always it

being a problem, and we are just people who live lives, and are

equal. As we have seen, over the last few weeks. But they have to

continue that, we have to see disabled people in dramas, in all

sorts of output, as equals, as we are. As we have proved we are, at a

sporting level. I think that will be the true test of it, as well as,

quite rightly, what Will has said. I think it has come across strongly

through the Paralympics, the way Paralympic athletes have been

presented is through their personalities. Yes, there is

stories that involve inevitable hardship to do with disabilities,

but other aspects of their life. The thing that has come through

more strongly than what particular disability they have to cope with,

is who they are at people. I think it is that reframing that will

transform the way people see that. Let's broaden it out, we are told

by David Cameron, and various other politicians, that this was a great

moment in the redefining of Britishness. You saw people walking

around proudly with the Union Jack, which in other circumstances has

been the preserve, for example, of the extreme right. Has something

changed in the way we think about ourselves, do you think? I think

there's an understanding of what it means to be British. Whether that

actually changes how people go on to behave, remains to be seen. But,

I think going back to the Second World War, people knew what the

British spirit was, we have lost that, and we have got it back.

Whether we behave like that, we don't know, we behaved like that

for two weeks during the Olympics and like that during the

Paralympics. This is an instinctive thing. It is perhaps unfair to ask

you to define it, have you thought about it? I think that people have

seen that as a public we can be generous with our time, we can

volunteer, we can make things happen for other people that

doesn't necessarily benefit ourselves directly, and we can see

the impact of that on society as a whole and it does benefit everybody.

That has been demonstrated quite strongly perhaps that is an example

people will want to follow in the future. How did it strike you?

most significant moment for me in the coverage I saw in the last few

days was a man who had worked as a volunteer, in the Olympic Park, and

he was saying what a great sense of spirit among the people who have

worked as volunteers and they were so sad that now the Paralympics was

ending, they would, in many cases, would be going on to the dole, and

it was sad that they had no jobs to go to. If you are what you are

talking about, Anna, is true, there should be an enormous upsurge in

this country of the trying to address the needs of the less well-

off, and an enormous acceptance that wealth doesn't trickle down

like a kas said to those who are well-off. I don't necessarily get a

feeling about that. I don't discount for a minute that

psychologically there has been a real lift, how long it will last.

This is �9 billion that could have been spent a whole lot better?

is pointless to say that now, I absented myself. We were not

welcome at the court of King Coe! I don't think the legacy, the lasting

legacy of the games will prove, I wish it would, would prove to be a

great spirit of inclusiveness and grit. Surely there will be more

volunteering in the future. People have seen, the volunteers we have

spoken to today have said these were the best years of their lives?

You expect theingen to volunteering. People have to work for a leaving.

But I think that the volunteers in sport that I come across, that

coach kids, they have seen how wonderful that's been. What about

the legacy in sport itself? That is a no-brainer, there are people

queuing up, we can't cope with them in rowing at the moment. The amount

of messages I have had of saying that I have inspired people to go

and do something, go out and jump on their bike, get in a swimming

pool. Purely because we competed at the games and showed the world what

we can do. Just from that, that's already getting people doing

sufficient is it. If that is -- stuff, if that is one or two people

going swim organise a ride. That inspiration d swimming or a ride,

that understand pier -- going swimming or a ride, the inspiration

of people means the whole system will build on itself. There is only

a limited number of people who will get to the elite levels you guys

are at. For most people enjoyment of sport is something completely

different? I think there is more enjoyment in sport when you don't

do it to the level we do it at. That is a very telling thing to say.

I think elite athletics is a very, very interesting thing,

psychologically. What it does to people. It seems to me, and I don't

mean no disrespect to what you do, that it seems to me to be curiously

similar to our obsession with competitiveness and elite

performance in other areas of national life, like financial

services, for example. There seems to be an absolute preoccupation

with winning and securing victories in that way. And how about a little

more co-operation rather than competition. Travelling in a rowing

boat will teach you about co- operation. I concur with everything

that's been said, I think the sporting aspect is a no-brainer,

but I also agree with Will. What about the broader point about

whether, the suggestion, it doesn't matter whether it is Boris Johnson

or David Cameron, all sorts of people are saying now it is a

different kind of country, is it? It certainly feels like it at the

moment. I'm a Londoner, and London feels really happy at the moment.

Slightly more so than usual. I wonder if when I'm slogging away on

tour in the autumn, whether more people will come to my shows,

because they are less scared of the image that disabled people present

in entertainment, which is my sphere. That's how I will feel the

change. If there are more bums on seats, you know. I very much, for

me I'm just going to return to Dr Paul Dark said it is all about the

image and media. If we see more inclusion of disabled people as

equals n this industry, the television and film industry, we

will be able to say things are going to be better. Lord Coe said

last night that, he had had a phrase, "now it's up to you" in a

rather patronising, in a doubtless, perfectly meant way? Me personally?

No all of us really! I accept what Matt says, I accept the point about

people signing up for sport. Who would deny that is a good thing.

London, London was out of recession a while back. If you carve off

tower hamlets and forest Hill and the -- Forest Hill, and the bits of

the East End slightly below the Olympic Park. Tell it to them in

the north-east. I wonder what the atmosphere is like in Tyneside or

South Shields and in Merseyside, whether people are walking about

with a bounce in their step? I was up for the weekend to Staffordshire,

there is a golden post box, and there is a definite spring in their

step. It could be your presence. You could be having a bubble

effect? I do think, because Olympic athletes come from all over the

country, it has reached out in a way I didn't expect it to. Leaving

your own experience aside, can you imagine this summer without the

Olympics and the Paralympics? don't think I could. We had the

Diamond Jubilee, which was a massive celebration of being

British, but I can't imagine what it would have been like with no

Olympics, no Paralympics, and no show to the world. Thank you all

very much. Oh to be Welsh, it is not often you

hear that in England or Northern Ireland, but if you were one of the

young people who sat their GCSE in English this year, you might well

feel that way. The Education Minister and the principality has

asked for papers to be regraded, after it became clear, that between

last winter and this summer it got harder for pupils to achieve higher

grades. The same situation applies in England. But there is to be no

regrading for the many more people affected there. Sanchia Berg is

with us now. Just explain briefly what is happening? What is

happening, Newsnight has been following closely since the results

qaim out. On the day results came out, you will remember that they

were lower than people expected in English or predicted. That was

especially the case in Wales. The minister for education, Leighton

Andrews, asked the ministers to hold an inquiry, and he got the

results this week. Today he recommended that the exams sat by

students in Wales be regraded. I asked him why? We had a detailed

report from our regulatory official, which looked at why grades had

fallen 3.9% over the previous year. And bear in mind when changes to

exam qualifications take place over GCSE, they are meant to have

comparable outcomes year on year. They haven't. We went into it in

considerable detail, it is a dry, sober and technical report T

concludes that the results this year were unjustifiable and unfair

to students. Does this just apply to Wales? Counterintuitively, it

turns out that the Welsh Exam Board is the second-biggest provider of

GCSE grading in England. Thousands of students in England have sat the

same exam, they are not covered by the Welsh decision, Ofqual has said

there will be no regrading. You have this position of students in

England and Wales sitting the same exam on the same day, getting the

same marks, but because they are in a different country, getting a

different grade. There is to be a Select Committee investigation?

and they will be starting hearings tomorrow. They will be aware of the

Welsh decision, but also of a story that is developing now, which is

being published in the Times Educational Supplement On-line.

They have obtained leaked correspondence, between Ofqual, and

one of the exam boards, which dates from two weeks before the results

are published. It shows how Ofqual was putting pressure on the Exam

Boards to change the grade boundaries, right at the last

minute. It is interesting, because I had had spoken to Ofqual a couple

of weeks ago, and they said, no, we don't get involved in the detail of

where to set the grade boundaries N this case they appear to have done

it. And they did it, so fewer students would get that grade C.

What are Ofqual going to do now, here, in England? They have said

that students can resit. They have said that students who sat the exam

in January, just got a lucky break. The Times Educational Supplement,

put this leaked correspondence to them. They said in that case they

had behaved properly, and they are entitled to challenge the Exam

Boards and intervene if they think standards are not being met. But

former member of the governing board of Ofqual has said that he

thinks that's not a sustainable position, and that the position of

the Chief Regulator is untenable. She will be, I think, one of the

first witnesses at the Select Committee tomorrow.

Now the Business Secretary is going to revolutionise this country by

setting enterprise free. He didn't put it quite as grandiloquently,

that is not his style. But he is going to appropriate the Olympics

tomorrow, to talk about how the Government will transform the

economy. They are apparently going to back businesses with great

prospect. But that was, of course, a promise made when they took

office. Which rather raises the question of why it has taken over

two years to get round to it. Allegra Stratton reports.

The Prime Minister as wife loves LF Lowry, she even put one inside

Number Ten. Everyone loves him, match stick cats and dogs. But now

a rather too match stick industry base. Few discernable champions for

manufacturing over the last few years, politicians or painter.

Tomorrow we get an industrial strategy, even though the two words

send a shiver down the spine of many free marketeers. Industrial

strategy equals British Leyland, the motor company that successive

Governments poured money into in the 1970s to no avail. Now the

Liberal Democrat Business Secretary wants one, and because the Tory

backbenchers have backed him, he will get one. You would think the

politicians know better than to appropriate the Olympic Games for a

political argument. This passing bandwagon was too good to resist,

planning, investment, clear ambitious vision, the Olympics had

it all. Tomorrow Vince Cable will say industrial policy should have

it too. There will be a small business bank to help lend to small

businesses, a long-held Cable wish. Sectors like Aerospace and cars,

requiring long-term strategic investment in research and

development from Government, will get it. And a little unfamiliar to

the match stick factory workers, the knowledge industry gets support

too. Cable pledges support from the Government will support risky,

ground-breaking technologies, that futurologists believe will be key

in the next 20 years. The Business Secretary felt some hostility in

the Commons today. I hate to say this to the secretary for business,

but there isn't cross-party support from this particular position. That

sounded to me like a statement that any Labour minister could have made

in the previous administration. It talked about state intervention,

picking winners, and nothing about cutting red tape and regulation.

For some, neither history nor geography back Peter Bone up.

countries like France, Japan, southyia, famous for successful

industry policy, industry policy is the policy of the centre right

parties. So that it is a British peculiarly that the centre right

party doesn't believe in Government involvement with industry. And also

that few people know it, but actually Britain is the country

that more or less invented the modern industry policy, because all

this belief practised by Walpole was a version of industrial policy

that transformed from the British economy to a raw material exporter,

reliant on wool, into a manufacturing nation. The story MP,

George Freeman is the MP for mid- Norfolk, that includes Cambridge

University, he's also the Government as life science adviser,

and a pros thigheser. We are setting out the industries where

Britain punching well above their weight, areas like life sciences,

and the automotive sector, we rebuilt that sector, it was the

best of failed industrial policy in the 1970s, we rebuilt it on

technology, and what we do best, through that and focus on Formula

One we have rebuilt it. We have become a net importer of cars this

week. Are you saying this wouldn't help without Government help?

about looking at where we spend every Government pound, can we use

it better to support growth. There remain niggling doubts, can even

the most far-sighted futurologistings pick winners. They

won't pick winners Leyland-style, they will be smarter? I have a

problem with that, technology will be a good sector, but what does it

mean. We saw in recent years that everybody thought mobile phones

were a great sector to be in, they thought the winning formula was

about carrying phone calls. It was mobile phone companies handling

phone call, it turns out that is a ufillity business, all the value,

worth and jobs, will be -- utility business, all the value will be

worth jobs in handsets. They should be laying conditions for the

overall economy to be more competitive, more conducive to job

creation and entreprenurial business. They should let a flowers

boom and let companies innovate and great work. There is picking

winners, losers and downright troublemakers. Since the reshuffle,

the Lib Dems and the Conservatives have their economic bover boys.

They all enjoy intervening before breakfast, lunch and dinner, and

possibly in each other's portfolios. Since then they have all won prizes,

the Lib Dems have won their industrial strategy, and the Tories

on deregulation. They will want to go further, that will probably

require an industrial effort. Vince Cable used to call for his

department, the department for Trade and Industry, as it was then

known, to be dismantled, the Conservatives used to dismantle the

concept of industrial strategy. But today's economy requires all hands

to the pump. For the time being, the two sides are pulling together,

not pulling apart. The new Business Minister, Matthew Hancock is here,

and in Brighton, where he has been attending the Trades Union Congress

is Chuka Umunna. This isn't a million miles away from what you do

is it? I have been arguing for us to have a proper comprehensive

industrial strategy, that doesn't only involve creating the

conditions for the private sector to flourish, but also involves us

thinking about stragically where we are strong. Frankly, we admitted

during our time in Government, and Peter Mandelson has said the

approach he took to this, in his first stint he is DTI, was very

different from the second. The first was very nervous about having

an activist Government policy, where you actually work stragically

with sectors to grow them. Having spent a decent amount of time in

Europe as Trade Commissioner, and seeing what happens happening

around the world. He started very much to prosecute an active

industrial strategy, because it was clear with the growing demand

coming from the east, as a global middle-class balloons from 1.8

billion to over 5 billion. We need to think stragically, how to grow

the sectors where we have a competitive edge, and advantage to

meet the demand. Keith thing is this, left to its own devices, the

market don't do that. I wouldn't necessarily advocate returning to a

1970s version of picking winning companies. But I certainly think we

do need to look at picking winning sectors. The key thing is this,

Peter was able to prosecute this strategy in Government, crucially,

because the Treasury and Number Ten bought into the strategy. Nobody

really believes that this is something that George Osborne, and

it will be probably talked about, buys into. They think the best

thing can you do now is deregulate. Let's find out. You have the full

support of the Chancellor in this, have you? Of course, Chuka says,

nobody really believes they buy into it. I believe they buy into it.

I know they do. I will explain why. It is very straight forward. It is

about finding the places that Britain is good at. And not only

celebrating them, but supporting the sectors that we have done very

well at. Why has it taken two years to get around to it? That is an

exaggeration. For a start, this has been going on since the Government

came to office, improving the competitiveness of Britain has been

on the agenda, all the time. For instance, you know, we have gone up

the competitiveness rankings, and there is nine, hold on, 900,000 new

jobs in the business This policy statement that your boss, Vince

Cable, is making tomorrow. This is something he could have said at any

time in the last two years, it is not a new policy, then? What he's

doing is putting meat on the bones. I wonder why he's bothering to make

the speech, that's all? It is very straight forward. He has been

working on this for a couple of years. You saw George Freeman, he

has been working on the life science element of it. When this

Government came to office, there was very little of the work on this

done. There is a key area that is also being announced this week, and

was announced today by the Government. That is making sure,

where the Government helps, we need to be there, but where the

Government gets in the way and has regulation that is are unhelpful,

they have to be taken away. It has taken you two years to realise

that? When we arrived in office, it took a long time to work out what

regulations hit business. Because the Government simply didn't know.

This is ridiculous, we set up the better regulation executive, and

the regulatory policy committee to work and lessen the regulatory

budget as much as possible. There are three problems in the way they

have sought to prosecute industrial strategy since they came to office.

First, they have singularly failed to back various sectors. They have

said in the defence industry we are buying off the shelf in the US. In

the other industries they haven't taken into account in procurement

to take into account problems like the French and Germans do. You have

to have the institutional architecture, that is why we have

argued for a British investment bank. Not something rebadging of

existing schemes, we say there is a case for proper badges. This is the

main complaint I get from businesses, this is something that

Matthew will get day in day out, when he meets with them. They need

policy certainty to make long-term investment decisions. There has

been a huge amount of policy uncertainty created by the

Government. Whether it is renewables, even planning

announcements. Chuka Umunna mentions specific things there. He

mentions renewables, trains and so on. Give us some specifics of the

sort of industries that you now plan to back, to choose to back?

Let me give you one very clear example in automotive. Before that

make a broader point. Chuka Umunna started by saying it was all a good

idea. The tone of this debate will be far better if it were

constructive, rather than picking on particular points. Let me answer

the question. Give us the example? Tomorrow, I will be announcing,

that one of the things we need to do, is make sure that the skills

that we build in this country, and the apprenticeships, are better

directed by what business needs, rather than by providers or by

Government. So Nissan, and Rolls- Royce, will now be designing their

own course is as, within apprentice -- Corsas, within apprenticeships,

so people without skills and they will provide the skills they need.

We know the most productive automaticive -- automotive factory

in the world. When we talk about the automotive industry, where we

starteded in Government. You want a long-term plan. You want a long-

term proposal, I'm putting forward a plan. That has led to the results

we are seeing now, that is something Vince Cable has admitted

to. He has mentioned specific examples, do you support the action

that the Government proposes to take there or not? We haven't seen

the detail, because Vince Cable said he would spell it out tot

tomorrow. I welcome the broad approach. In terms of using the

larger companies to help broker a present tisship -- apprenticeships,

I have been arguing for that for many months now. You think it is a

good idea? I said it is in the House of Commons today, I think an

industrial strategy is very important, you have to deliver it.

Another example is there will be a state-backed, small business

investment bank, to make sure that money get to the small businesses,

who we know there is a big credit problem. We hope the Labour Party

will back that. There is another specific. With respect, we have

been arguing looking at the skraigs of a investment business bank for a

-- creation of an investment business bank for a long time now.

Let's see the detail, in so far as the stuff the Chancellor said about

this is concerned, at the moment the British chambers of commerce

are saying, they are simply seeking to put together a range of

different financial schemes that already exist, and rebadge that a

bank. That would not be a bank. That would not suffice. One more

example, we want to make sure that procurement benefits British

companies particularly. And Government buys about one seventh

of the stuff we produce, we should think stragically and about the

sectors we are good at and support British business there. You are

against British justice? There is wriggle room and we make the most

of it. They haven't done that. Look at the train situation, Bombardier,

and defence, you will have defence ministers saying we will buy off

the shelf in the US. The rules for the bombardia contract are changed

under Labour, and we are changing the results for that reason.

During the London Games, one politician in particular has been

basking in the glow of the Olympic Flame. Here is London mayor, Boris

Johnson, addressing athletes and volunteers at the parade at the end

of the games. Showed every child in this country that success is not

just about talent and luck, but about grit and guts and hard work.

And coming back from defeat. By the way you showed fantastic grace and

victory, and amazing courage in defeat. Speaking as a spectator,

you produced such parrotisms of tears and joy on the sofas of

Britain. That you probably not only inspired a generation, but helped

to create one as well. I can get away with that! When you compare

that, Allegra Stratton, has just joined us. When you compare that

with the booing that George Osborne got, what do you conclude? Somebody

looks more likely to be the next story Prime Minister. From the

Business Minister -- can business ministers fighting just now, to

Bill Clinton, at the Democratic National Convention. But this is

London, and not the Tory faithful. The problem for us oven the summer

is begin we are doing things about Boris's popularity, now you have

the Boris show going on even if the Olympics finish tomorrow evening.

You have conference shortly, where he will give a speech. Then you

have the possibility looming over David Cameron's head, for however

long, he could come back and fight a by-election over Heathrow. He is

hoving into view rather rather than away from view. There was a

correspondent from other TV situation poo pooing that Boris

Johnson is being talked about as leader. But if you see how popular

he is with people who cast votes. Does he stand for anything, apart

from hisself? If you go through his colleagues and what he talks about,

you can say it is London politics, but he stands for something on

Europe and welfare cut, something on transport and something on

infrastruck stuer. Given his position, the mayor's powers are

imlimited. What surprised some of us over the summer, is it isn't

just a metropolitan thing, if you look at the polling across the

country, people do quite like him. There is a question, do you like

him, do you want to, did you respect him? Yes, but David Cameron

does better when he says who would you like to be Prime Minister.

There is a massive debate now between people who think he should

be taken seriously and not to be taken seriously. If you look at how

he goes down with a massive cloud. David Cameron became the warm-up

act this evening. act this evening.

That's all from nice night tonight, I will be back tomorrow, until then,

good night. We had quite a bit of cloud ayes

cross the country on Monday. Still managed 24 degrees in Kent. That is

all change for tomorrow. As we see the rain clearing away first thing

in the morning. A much cooler- feeling day with a mixture of

sunshine and showers. Quite a few showers across northern and eastern

parts of the country. There could be heavy downpours into

Lincolnshire. Not too many showers across the south coast, fine and

dry at 4.00. That brisk north- westerly breeze making it feel

cooler than it has done. Not too many showers here throughout the

afternoon. Most places you would be dry and fiep, sunshine around, one

or two across North Wales. Temperatures struggling in Northern

Ireland, 12, 13. In Scotland most of the clouds towards the west.

On the whole, here the best of the dry, bright weather, it remains

that way in Edinburgh through Tuesday and Wednesday, temperatures

around 13-14. Further south we will see sunshine, a few showers at

times. But the cloud then begins to increase through the day on