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Tonight: Newsnight reveals what really happened with the summer's | :00:06. | :00:11. | |
great GCSE results scandal. We have got the documents that show | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
how the watchdog leaned on exam boards to change grades. | :00:14. | :00:24. | |
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Also tonight: Can social unrest derail austerity across Europe? | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
are the bond market so spooked by protests on the streets? | :00:33. | :00:39. | |
We have the man who predicted it all on Newsnight 14 years ago. | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
blimey, look at her. And as close to 40,000 sign the | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
petition to end the Sun's Page 3, we ask if it's time to bin the pin- | :00:46. | :00:56. | |
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We're joined by Hattie from Good evening. What really happened | :01:04. | :01:10. | |
with the summer's GCC scandal? This programme has come a step closer to | :01:10. | :01:15. | |
understanding the sequence of events. Documents obtained by | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
Newsnight show how Ofqual and leaned on exam boards to change | :01:19. | :01:25. | |
grades. The aim, as we now know, was to end more than two decades of | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
grade creep. Sanchia Berg has been going through | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
the correspondence and is with me now. A strong sign there was | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
intervention. Yes, we knew there was intervention but what it looked | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
like we did not know, but now we do. This year's GCSE English grading | :01:43. | :01:50. | |
was the worst fiasco in history of the exam but thousands of students | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
expecting that crucial a C grade did not get it. Ofqual said they | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
did not fix the results and had not told exam boards that the results | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
should fall but ever since, everybody has been trying to find | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
out what happened, which is why we put in a Freedom of Information | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
Bill quest for all the correspondence between the exam | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
boards and Ofqual, and we have discovered that at least two exam | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
boards had problems with their grades as though they were coming | :02:19. | :02:25. | |
in. So the regulator intervened. During a telecoms runs on Friday | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
the 13th July it with all the exam boards, the Ofqual representative | :02:30. | :02:37. | |
said that Ofqual could not accept any apparent grade inflation. Four | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
days later, another teleconferencing with the exam | :02:41. | :02:51. | |
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boards and they were raising Pretty unconditional. They were | :02:54. | :03:00. | |
saying, grades cannot rise. Ofqual said those remarks should be seen | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
in the context, that they were seeing the results could only rise | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
is justified, and this is the first year comparable outcomes came in in | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
English, which means the result should be on a par with recent | :03:13. | :03:19. | |
years. Do they justify them? Edexcel and a Welsh board did try | :03:19. | :03:25. | |
to justify them. Edexcel said there was a serious mismatch between the | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
examiner's judgments and the required outcomes. But these | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
objections, even though they were sustained for a long time, | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
eventually they had to drop them because Ofqual said they would | :03:36. | :03:42. | |
force them to change their grades if they did not do it voluntarily. | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
Ofqual was pretty worried about how this would look, bluntly. Yes. | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
There is a briefing paper from July where a Ofqual official says, how | :03:52. | :03:58. | |
will we defend the grade boundary changes? And he says the rationale | :03:58. | :04:06. | |
must be that it... The examiners judgment, rather than the | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
statistical fix... But a statistical fix is what it really | :04:10. | :04:17. | |
does look like, especially to Brian Lightman, who is head of the | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
Association of school and college leaders. He is part of a group | :04:19. | :04:26. | |
taking legal action against Ofqual at the moment. I think it shows | :04:26. | :04:32. | |
that what has gone on here has been attempting to manipulate results in | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
order to meet a statistical outcome and the problem with that is it | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
does not take into account the actual quality of the pupils' work | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
and you cannot simply hold down results in order to meet some sort | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
of expectation without looking at the students'' work and making sure | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
that pupils actually get their just deserts in terms of the effort that | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
they have made. And as we heard, the grades did not rise, they fell. | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
And that is something Ofqual did not anticipate. It was seeking ways | :05:03. | :05:09. | |
to explain that. We found in this correspondence the message is that | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
Ofqual has circulated to all of the exam boards the day before the | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
results were published. Ofqual were telling the exam boards how it | :05:16. | :05:26. | |
would explain the drop in results. Students from selective schools | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
were not doing a GCSE English any more, their exams would not show up | :05:30. | :05:37. | |
in the figures, but eight minutes after Ofqual sent its messages out, | :05:37. | :05:47. | |
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one bounced back from a main exam That was the explanation that | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
Ofqual gave the following day. Later on it said that there were | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
other reasons why the fall may have taken place, there were other | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
changes in the cohort, but it is interesting to see that is what AQA | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
said and yet Ofqual went ahead with that explanation anyway, so there | :06:06. | :06:12. | |
are still questions to be answered. It is a very interesting situation. | :06:12. | :06:19. | |
Thank you. Ofqual refused to appear live on the programme this evening. | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
Protests in Spain, are riots in Greece, the spectre of another | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
direly needed a bail-out, just another long week in the eurozone. | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
Tonight, suggestions that Spanish banks will need another 60 billion | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
euros in extra capital to ride out the downturn. The Spanish | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
government has gone tough with posterity and paved the way for | :06:41. | :06:46. | |
serious spending cuts, but will social unrest destabilise this | :06:46. | :06:54. | |
For Spanish politicians, this is the world they can control. | :06:54. | :07:03. | |
Everything goes to a script and timetable. These are the most | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
rigorous stress tests ever, says the minister, and now, tonight, we | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
no space need 60 billion euros to save its banks. -- we know that | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
Spain needs. But this is the world they cannot control. Violent | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
clashes in Madrid this week, just the latest in a growing wave of | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
opposition to the cuts Spain has to make to stay afloat. And the | :07:27. | :07:35. | |
problem is, it is not just Spain. If Portugal's workers took to the | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
streets in massive numbers last Saturday, faced with a rise in | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
national insurance that would have taken a month's salary out of their | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
national pay. We have become used to scenes like this of course, but | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
not to what happened next. Portuguese government backed down. | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
For two years, we have seen protests against austerity that | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
have achieved nothing, more or less, but the Portuguese U-turn has | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
changed that. Bond investors now have to consider the prospect that | :08:08. | :08:14. | |
social unrest Candy real things and they are starting to price in the | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
risk of constitutional crisis normally associated with developing | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
countries. This man advises the Investment funds that buy and sell | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
government bonds. They are acutely sensitive to the qualitative | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
aspects, and one of those his political risk, and this is evident | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
across the board throughout southern Europe, so what we have | :08:37. | :08:44. | |
now is a situation where emerging market type risk factors are now | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
being priced in too many developed markets, and the markets are much | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
more in tune to these risks but are struggling to come to terms with | :08:52. | :08:58. | |
the social and political risk. Greek workers, who went on general | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
strike this week, are facing another 11 billion euros worth of | :09:02. | :09:10. | |
cuts to come, and some economists believe the austerity plans are | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
unachievable. This graph shows how much higher labour costs are in | :09:14. | :09:24. | |
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The blue plaque shows where we were three years ago, the red bars the | :09:25. | :09:31. | |
effects of austerity. But from Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy, | :09:31. | :09:40. | |
which costs may still have between What happened in Portugal last week | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
is very significant because it shows that is popular resistance is | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
strong enough, sooner or later the government will have to change | :09:48. | :09:53. | |
their stance. That is what the markets are worried about, and | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
politicians and officials in Brussels and Frankfurt and Berlin | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
are fearing that more than anything else. The problem is, produced in | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
Europe has begun to move in ways politicians are finding hard to | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
cope with. Andalusia has seen rates and supermarkets co-ordinated by an | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
elected mayor. -- have seen it raids on supermarkets. And in | :10:15. | :10:20. | |
Catalonia, much of the population wants independence or fiscal | :10:20. | :10:28. | |
autonomy. I don't think the masses can stop Mariano Rajoy's austerity | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
measures but I think they can bring down his government. I think there | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
is every chance that will happen. We will see a must intensify over | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
the next year, and the ferocity of some of the individual localised | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
protests this year, when they gather strength and when the | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
austerity measures at a country, which already has 25% unemployment, | :10:50. | :10:55. | |
we will see chaos. The if the Spanish government of Mariano Rajoy | :10:55. | :10:59. | |
looked strong and decisive, the markets might worry less, but it | :10:59. | :11:05. | |
doesn't, and they do. Spain is not just facing a budget deficit, Spain | :11:05. | :11:12. | |
is facing a banking, sovereign debt, real-estate, political and | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
constitutional crisis. They are all feeding off each other. This is | :11:17. | :11:23. | |
making deficit reduction measures in Spain extremely difficult. I | :11:23. | :11:29. | |
think that really is the nub of the Spanish problem. This week, scenes | :11:29. | :11:35. | |
of violence were not new, but their economic meaning might be. | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
In a moment we will speak to a Spanish MP who speaks to the | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
government on foreign affairs about this, and the world-famous | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
economist Martin Feldstein, but first we wanted to show you a clip | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
from Martin Feldstein's appearance on Newsnight 14 years ago, in which | :11:51. | :12:00. | |
he made some a marks that are starting to look eerily prescient. | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
One of the doom-mongers in-Chief is the imminent American economist | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
Martin Feldstein at Harvard. We are about to pop in on him and get him | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
to outline way things might turn nasty. If you have more | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
disagreement, if you have countries that feel they are under the thumb | :12:18. | :12:24. | |
of others, under the thumb of a process that they cannot control, | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
and yet they are in their own mind sovereign countries, the temptation | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
to pull out will be very small, and who knows just what the response | :12:32. | :12:40. | |
will be from the centre? Well, 14 years on, we can speak to Martin | :12:40. | :12:47. | |
Feldstein again. He is in Berlin. You predicted this almost to the | :12:48. | :12:54. | |
word. Has it taken longer than you expected? I don't think I had any | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
timetable in mind but I think it was clear that trying to force a | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
common monetary policy and a single exchange rate on such disparate | :13:05. | :13:11. | |
countries was not going to work. Where do you think this is going? | :13:11. | :13:17. | |
Well, frankly I am quite worried about Spain in particular. Not just | :13:17. | :13:24. | |
because of the rioting, but because of the power of the individual | :13:24. | :13:30. | |
regions. The new plan that the European Central Bank announced, in | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
which they will buy Spanish bonds as long as Bain sticks to a plan | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
that has been approved by the European stability mechanism, I | :13:39. | :13:45. | |
think that is not going to last -- as long as Spain the sticks. I | :13:45. | :13:51. | |
think at some point, Spain will depart from what they have promised, | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
because of riots or local regions, and at that point the ECB will have | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
to decide, do they stop buying the government bonds and allow interest | :14:01. | :14:07. | |
rates to sort? Or do they keep buying them and weaken the | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
credibility of the programme? Either way I think it will be bad | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
news for making progress in Spain. Do you think we will see political | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
break-up within Spain? More autonomy for some of the regions | :14:20. | :14:26. | |
like Catalonia? They have a fair amount of fiscal autonomy already. | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
While they are talking about pulling out, I think the odds of | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
that are still pretty low. Quite interesting listening to the bond | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
analyst a moment ago saying that calculated risk now in southern | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
Europe is like it used to be for the emerging markets, that they are | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
taking into account all sorts of things they never had to worry | :14:46. | :14:53. | |
about? Well, in the emerging markets, in east Asia and Latin | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
America, they could always take the option of devaluing the currency | :14:57. | :15:03. | |
and allowing their economies to recover. Spain cannot do that. As | :15:03. | :15:08. | |
long as the euro remains as strong as it is today, we are going to | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
continued to see large international deficits, large | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
current account deficits in Spain, and that is going too frightened | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
the bond markets. You are famous of course for this formula that showed | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
us originally that the measure of globalisation of capitalism... Do | :15:26. | :15:36. | |
you think we are starting to Globalised capitalism? I don't | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
think it is collapsing. What we are seeing is financial markets within | :15:40. | :15:46. | |
Europe, which were supposed to be strengthened as a result of forming | :15:46. | :15:53. | |
the euro, they are rapidly breaking down and going back to national | :15:53. | :16:00. | |
markets, because people are afraid to lend, banks are afraid it to | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
lend to borrowers in other countries. So we are seeing a | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
breakdown of credit within the euro-zone. What do you think | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
happens to the euro-zone and the euro? If we are inviting you back | :16:12. | :16:20. | |
in another 15 years, what good your prediction be? Let's is a one-year! | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
It is very hard to say. I think it was a mistake to enter into the | :16:25. | :16:31. | |
euro in the first place, but it would be very costly in many ways, | :16:31. | :16:39. | |
economically, politically, to turn the process away. We still could | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
see some of the countries, like Greece, which are in much worse | :16:43. | :16:50. | |
shape than Spain and Italy, we could see them leave the euro-zone. | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
Not immediately, but perhaps after the German election. Do you think | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
we will see a pressure to more extreme kinds of government as a | :16:59. | :17:05. | |
result of this social unrest we are seeing, if they can get rid of the | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
government of Mariano Rajoy, for example? The one government that | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
seems to be working very well in the peripheral areas is the Italian | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
government, where experienced bureaucrat, not elected officials, | :17:20. | :17:27. | |
have been putting together a programme that has been reducing | :17:27. | :17:37. | |
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fiscal deficit in a meaningful way. We are going to move on. Today's | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
Page Three quads the American philosopher William James on the | :17:47. | :17:53. | |
perils of pessimism while wearing a tasselled monokini. The debate | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
about Page Three has never really gone away, but has gained traction | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
over the past week with a sequence of high-profile comedians and | :18:02. | :18:12. | |
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politicians signing a petition to ended. -- to end it. Look at her! | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
Where would we be without Page Three? In a much better place, say | :18:17. | :18:27. | |
many. Beauty queen shocks a council. Sharon Spencer, 22... She is more | :18:27. | :18:37. | |
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It is more than 40 years since the first scantily-clad model made her | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
bow in the pages of the tabloids. Page 3 is a British institution, | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
but labelled anachronistic this week by Labour's Harriet Harman, | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
known by some as Hattie from Camberwell, a moniker she | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
apparently shared with today's Page Three girl in there Sun. The | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
pictures were clamours and sophisticated in the early years, | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
says one of the original Page Three girls. Today, not so much. They are | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
tacky, and too obvious, and probably inappropriate to be in a | :19:13. | :19:19. | |
family household. Today's families are different, you mustn't forget | :19:19. | :19:25. | |
that when Page Three started, it was at a time in the Seventies, | :19:26. | :19:32. | |
when we were exploding into free love, it was an exciting time, or | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
freedom, free-spirited people floating about the place with | :19:34. | :19:40. | |
flowers in the -- in their hair. current, model says Page Three | :19:40. | :19:46. | |
objectifies women, but in a good way. It is a form of | :19:46. | :19:48. | |
objectification but any anthropologist will tell you that | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
it has been imperative for the survival of the human species. | :19:52. | :19:58. | |
Celebrating sexuality is imperative, and Page Three is celebrating that. | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
Campaigners against pornography have linked Page Three pictures to | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
violence against women. But others have seen them to -- as the working | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
man's old masters. The chap I am talking about is as likely to enjoy | :20:13. | :20:20. | |
looking at the Dell on page three of these -- of the Sun as his | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
intellectual betters, as they see themselves are, to go to the Art | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
Gallery, seeing it painted. Today there is a lot more sex about them | :20:30. | :20:36. | |
when Page Three began. It is still with us, and there are no shortage | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
of young women keen to appear in it. However, almost 40,000 people have | :20:41. | :20:50. | |
signed a petition urging the sun to drop it. -- urging the Sun. | :20:50. | :20:56. | |
years after winning the right to vote through protest, papers might | :20:56. | :21:02. | |
actually start to fill pages of with the almost outrageous words of | :21:02. | :21:07. | |
powerful women, every day when the, whose place -- faces don't need to | :21:07. | :21:13. | |
be pleasing. It is meant to represent youth and freshness and | :21:13. | :21:18. | |
it represents natural beauty, we don't have models to have had | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
plastic surgery on the page. It is legal, we are allowed to publish | :21:22. | :21:28. | |
those images. It has become an innocuous British institution. | :21:28. | :21:35. | |
proud of my body, and whatever I do with it in my spare time is none of | :21:35. | :21:42. | |
the council's business. So, Page Three has its knockers! | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
One person campaigning for decades against it is Harriet Harman. She | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
is joined by the former deputy editor of the News Of The World, | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
Neil Wallis. How do you feel when you have been on this sort of | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
campaign for more than two decades, and it doesn't seem to have shifted | :21:59. | :22:05. | |
at all? It is an institution today as much as ever. I think so much | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
has changed since the Seventies. I think the whole expectation for | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
women of what they can do with their lives and what they can be in | :22:13. | :22:19. | |
their lives, I think it is really very old fashioned now, very out of | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
date. It was always objectionable, the idea that women are most | :22:23. | :22:30. | |
important as sex objects, but I do just wonder whether or not | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
sometimes they sit down there in the News Of The World and think, | :22:33. | :22:39. | |
should we really pack this in? Is this sensible? We have women having | :22:39. | :22:48. | |
all sorts of campaigns, why have we got this? They may be are saying, | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
we're not going to be told what to do by a bunch of Wood Lane. What is | :22:53. | :22:59. | |
it for? I think it is the wrong way round, the question. This is really | :22:59. | :23:05. | |
about - it does this matter enough that women are campaigning about | :23:05. | :23:11. | |
edition like this, when it there are frankly most important issues? | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
You are here now, let's have the debate. What is it for? I don't | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
believe there is an issue about it really being in debate. Because | :23:22. | :23:28. | |
nobody really cares. 37,000 women have signed this petition. Not just | :23:28. | :23:35. | |
women, people. 3 million women reads the -- read the Sun every day. | :23:35. | :23:42. | |
It is an out rated -- outdated argument. Page 3 is a harmless | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
picture that has been their back 440 odd years. Real women do not | :23:46. | :23:52. | |
care about it. What purpose does it serve for you? If it went, with the | :23:52. | :23:58. | |
paper be worse off? What is the purpose of any picture of an | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
attractive person? It is a nice picture, it is harmless, adds a | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
touch of fun to the paper, and why not? If you open any newspaper, and | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
one of the great things I love about broadsheet is whenever they | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
illustrate the story, it is always a pretty young woman who | :24:15. | :24:22. | |
illustrates the story. You look at pages about the City in particular. | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
I think you would be fair to recognise they usually have their | :24:25. | :24:33. | |
clothes on. Sometimes! The idea that they have got to have bare | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
breasts and it is for objectification, and the idea that | :24:37. | :24:44. | |
women are there to be Lear at. you see the advert for the | :24:44. | :24:50. | |
Wonderbra? With that woman... It said, hello boys. What was it | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
selling, on what basis? The truth is, there are many issues. But the | :24:56. | :25:02. | |
Sun is a newspaper. The paper is full of the stories about how | :25:02. | :25:07. | |
police and social workers have ignored, for years, the issue about | :25:07. | :25:15. | |
exploitation of children. That is an issue to campaign on, an issue | :25:15. | :25:21. | |
to have a petition about. Harriet Harman has done, to be fair. | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
There are other British newspapers that have a much more vindictive | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
approach to do some of the women that they portray in their papers, | :25:28. | :25:35. | |
he doesn't have to be the Sun alone, does it? Yes, but with their Page | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
Three Women, dressed only in their knickers... The whole point of them | :25:39. | :25:45. | |
is none other than for them to be Lear at as sexual objects, that is | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
the point of it. Of course there are a lot of other issues which are | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
important. But we are entitled to have our say about it without being | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
accused of not being real women, or being vilified for being frumpy old | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
harridans. That is the other thing. You want your free speech to | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
publish these photos, we want our free speech to say, we don't think | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
that is how you should be looking at women in this day and age, | :26:10. | :26:16. | |
without being vilified as a result. The issue is, there are far more | :26:16. | :26:21. | |
serious issues. The people who have launched this petition, putting it | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
in the Guardian, gaining lot of headlines... You could say that | :26:25. | :26:32. | |
about anything of you wanted. What happens on Saturday and Sunday in | :26:32. | :26:38. | |
your paper? They don't run bomb. Because the paper as much more in | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
the house, so there is much more chance... You don't want families | :26:43. | :26:49. | |
to see them? The primary leadership of the Sun, the 7 million adults to | :26:49. | :26:56. | |
read it, are adults. So why did they are good, clean, innocuous fun, | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
in which case presumably you are not ashamed to have them on any day, | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
or else you do feel they are slightly seedy and don't want them | :27:04. | :27:10. | |
in the house at the weekend? That is fairly fatuous, really. 7 | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
million adults choose to look at the paper every day. If they take | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
it home or not, that is a decision for them. It is a paper aimed at | :27:18. | :27:27. | |
adults. What we are aware of, not that I work there now is the paper | :27:27. | :27:32. | |
is very much more family-orientated at the weekend, more television and | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
sport orientated, so it is much more round the home, and | :27:36. | :27:42. | |
accordingly, they don't have topless women in it. So why are you | :27:42. | :27:50. | |
saying that there are no doubts, or thinking again about this? They are | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
going to be sticking to it, not even having second thoughts, even | :27:54. | :27:59. | |
though we are in the 21st century? When you look at what is around in | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
the 21st Century, the idea that a 40 year-old institution should fall | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
out because if a particular demographic of women deciding they | :28:08. | :28:14. | |
don't like it - and many of those women who don't even read the paper, | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
they are asserting their view over the 3 million... You keep saying it | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
is women, a lot of men have signed it as well. Quite high-profile | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
people as well. What does high- profile have to do with it? The | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
fact that some comedians and actresses and might sign up... | :28:32. | :28:42. | |
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what happens... But what are they there for? In their bed -- in their | :28:44. | :28:50. | |
knickers, with bare breasts, that is the betrayal of Women on page 3. | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
With respect, who want you to say that people cannot choose to look | :28:54. | :29:04. | |
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at it? Did you read today's? didn't, I don't think had the comes | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
from Camberwell anyway! I think women should be respected for what | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
they can do in their lives, and girls should have high aspirations | :29:13. | :29:18. | |
than just looking good with no clothes on. Surely, in the 21st | :29:18. | :29:24. | |
century there is more than that two women. I Usain a girl should not | :29:24. | :29:30. | |
have the right to aspire to be a Page Three girl -- or Usain? We are | :29:30. | :29:39. | |
going to leave it there. Thank you very much. The front of the papers | :29:39. | :29:45. |