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expensive election campaign in expensive election campaign in | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
history is over we are about to learn what it has wrought, the | :00:16. | :00:21. | |
decision America is makes effects us all, the men fighting it out for | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
leadership in the west, battled each other, even on polling day | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
today. The last day of efforts to prevent his being a one-term | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
President was devoted to getting out the vote. Last-minute call, | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
pleas not to forget to vote. There will be no second chance for Mitt | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
Romney, either, if he didn't do it today, it is back to the drawing | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
board for his whole party. We have Democrat and Republican | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
pollsters reading the numbers back stage. And the novelist, Martin | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
Amis joins our election panel. On this side of the Atlantic, | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
allegations on Newsnight prompt fresh inquiries into child abuse in | :00:58. | :01:03. | |
North Wales. The Government is treating these allegations with the | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
utmost seriousness. Child abuse is a hateful, abhorrent, and | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
disgusting crime, and we must not allow these allegations to go | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
unanswered. The Government promises to listen, but could all these | :01:15. | :01:25. | |
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inquiries drown out the truth? It's not strictly accurate to call | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
this election day any longer. Tens of millions of Americans had voted, | :01:32. | :01:38. | |
even before today dawned, and they will still be voting in the Alucian | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
Islands at 6.00am tomorrow morning. This is the day the votes are | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
counted. It is 5.30pm, and it will be hours before we get anything | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
certain. If the polls were right in predicting a knife-edge vote, there | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
are some key states, like, for example, Ohio, who may only | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
discover what they have decided well into December. Let's try to | :01:58. | :02:04. | |
get some early indications now with Mark Urban. Read it for us? All of | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
this campaign has really centered around these called battleground | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
states. The majority of states are either called blue or red, in UK | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
terms, safe seats we would call them, so the key marginals are | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
where so much of the campaigning has been focused. Clearly each side | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
feels it is going into this with a chance of winning key marginals, | :02:24. | :02:30. | |
but the truth is, Governor Mitt Romney has a bigger hill to climb, | :02:30. | :02:36. | |
where he has to go to capture the 270 seats needed to appoint him | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
President, in the Electoral College. In some places he seems to have | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
done very well, in North Carolina, most polls suggest Governor Romney | :02:45. | :02:55. | |
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will get that state. Florida, a huge prize, 15 seats in the North | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
Carolina seat. If Democrats win in Florida, that will be a hugely | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
positive sign for them, but the Republicans would like to think | :03:07. | :03:17. | |
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they have got it. On the Obama side of this equation, polls have shown | :03:17. | :03:23. | |
consistently for him in Ohio, with 18 states. People see that as the | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
battleground of battlegrounds, and even in a state like vir gainia, | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
which he was pretty fortunate, -- Virginia, which some say he was | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
pretty fortunate to get last time, some people say he could take that | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
again and hold on to the state. you think Romney can win it? Well, | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
of course, so much of what we have said, what we have speculated about | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
is based on polling evidence. Those polls do seem to give President | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
Obama the edge, particularly in the marginals. But, of course, they | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
could be wrong. There are suggestions that they sample too | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
many Democrats in the way the polling is structured. There are | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
also suggestions in some past exit polls that more Democrats have | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
tended to answer the exit pollsters than Republicans. They could be | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
wrong. However, the Democrats, of course, feel they are right, and | :04:07. | :04:17. | |
they feel confident, as we found earlier in virginia. | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
Fredericksberg, Virginia, one of those battleground states, where | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
the Republicans have a real hill to climb. In the surrounding counties | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
there is plenty of support for Mitt Romney, in town, even his campaign | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
workers concede, there is a clear majority for Barack Obama. I just | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
voted for Obama, I'm so excited, this is a huge election year for | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
you, we all need to show support. I will definitely voted for him in | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
2008 and now again this time, four more years, I'm so excited. Thank | :04:45. | :04:52. | |
you, Obama! He's my choice this time. Mr Romney? I'm a registered | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
independent, and I think he will lead the country in a good | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
direction, I like Obama too. It's tough. Obama, what else did you | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
want to know! Why would you be voting for him? Because of his | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
phenomenal record, especially his first two years in office. Back in | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
2008, Barack Obama won this state for the Democrats for the first | :05:14. | :05:20. | |
time in more than 40 years. In order to get re-elect, he | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
desperately wants to hold on to it -- re-elected, he desperately wants | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
to hold on to it. The early signs we have seen this morning are | :05:27. | :05:33. | |
encouraging for the President. At these polling stations, high | :05:33. | :05:41. | |
turnout had made the Obama campaign corkers eboullient. Is high turn | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
out good for the President? Yes, a lot of the Obama supporters are out, | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
they didn't get complacent, that was the only real concern, that | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
there was a big grass-roots effort last time from the Obama campaign, | :05:53. | :05:58. | |
like never before. I think there was some worry that wouldn't happen | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
again for an incumbent, but I think it has. | :06:01. | :06:07. | |
But the dynamics of high turnout, like most things political here, | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
are subject to partisan argument. Certainly the Romney canvasers felt | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
it might favour their man. The conventional or received wisdom | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
seems to be is high turnout is good for the President. I think perhaps | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
you don't think so. Why would it potentially be good for your | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
candidate? A lot of folks are fed up with Obama, what he has been | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
doing for the last four years, that is getting more people out to the | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
polls. Typically you would expect that large turnout would favour the | :06:34. | :06:40. | |
incumbent, this time around I think we will see something else. In this | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
final hour of the campaign, nobody wants to concede. And this pattern | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
in Virginia, was also playing out on the national stage. Mitt Romney | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
voted in Massachusetts this morning. But this state is one of those | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
where the contest is a foregone conclusion. So the questions were | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
about another of those key marginals. REPORTER: What about | :07:01. | :07:07. | |
Ohio? I feel great about Ohio. Goodbye, thank you, take care, | :07:07. | :07:13. | |
Jennifer, you want to come with me to Cleveland. That is where he flew, | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
breaking the usual convention about halting campaigning on polling day, | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
in order to keep up the fight until the very last minute. His running | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
mate, Paul Ryan, meanwhile, urged party workers in Wisconsin, another | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
key state, to redouble their efforts, in the face of what he | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
described as a "Democrat surge at the polls". | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
As for the President, he chose to project an image of calm assurance | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
about the outcome. My name was Barack Obama, you know the | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
President of the United States. Shooting basket ball hoops in his | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
Chicago home town, and stepping back from jetting around those | :07:53. | :07:59. | |
battleground states. I also want to say to Governor Romney, | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
congratulations on a spirited campaign, I know his supporters are | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
just as engaged and just as enthusiastic, and working just as | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
hard today. We feel confident, we have got the votes to win, but it | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
will depend ultimately on whether those votes turn out. I would | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
encourage everybody, on all sides, just to make sure that you exercise | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
this precious right that we have. That people fought so hard for us | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
to have. The fight for key marginals has, | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
then, focused on turning out the base. In Virginia, the Republicans, | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
for example, made more than four million phone calls to possible | :08:37. | :08:43. | |
supporters, and messers Romney and Ryan, dozens of visits. Tonight it | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
will become clear whether that paid off, or whether the reports of high | :08:46. | :08:52. | |
turnout are confirmed, and that has turned it President Obama's way. | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
Let's see if we can learn a little bit more now with the latest | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
numbers. We have the Democratic pollster, Celinda Lake, and her | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
Republican counterpart, Ed Goeas. Right who is going to win? We are, | :09:07. | :09:13. | |
the Democrats. Barack Obama! This is completely independent! That was | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
not my prediction this morning. My prediction would be that Mitt | :09:16. | :09:24. | |
Romney would be right over at 50%, 50.4% and above. It reveals what a | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
bogus science polling is if you come to contradictory conclusions? | :09:28. | :09:35. | |
Neither of us said polling, we said "predicted". As As I said to one | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
earlier today, this is our sixth presidential election, I have | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
called three of those for a Democrats, she has never called it | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
for a Republican. That may tell you how we read the numbers. Or our | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
parties. When pollsters have been saying, as they have been for quite | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
a while, it will be very close. That's really the truth. You think | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
they are right, obviously, you are pollsters? I thought it would be | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
one of three scenario, close Obama win, close Romney win, or surge at | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
the end for Romney. The storm pretty much took out the surge | :10:07. | :10:13. | |
Romney, it close -- it will be close one way or the other, very | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
close. I think it will be close, as you said earlier in the programme, | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
it will be turnout. And both sides have substantial turnout operations. | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
Is there any indication that one side is not getting its vote out as | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
well as it should do, or getting it out better than the other side? | :10:29. | :10:36. | |
think the Democrats have a harder job to. Do our voters have, | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
traditionally have less voting history. We don't have the | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
intensity of 2008. It is always easier to be the outsider party, | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
that always is more energised, but we have an unparalleled operation, | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
if there are experts on either side for turnout, it is the bau, | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
campaign. I would answer it two different ways, normally the | :10:55. | :10:59. | |
Democrats have a big surge in early voting. We matched that now this | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
time. It looked about even between the two parties. Going into the | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
election day the Republicans do a better job and have more intensety. | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
The real battle is today. What do you think will have determined, if | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
you are looking at issues, what do you think will have determined the | :11:14. | :11:20. | |
outcome of this election? Come on, you are the pollster, you are | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
supposed to know! I think the economy is the big factor, of | :11:24. | :11:31. | |
course. The economy in the United States is still limping along, and | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
it is always hard for an incumbent to win re-election with bad economy. | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
Particularly turg the summer the Democrats were very effective - | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
during the summer the Democrats were very effective in drawing a | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
stark contrast between Mitt Romney, about whose side we were on. I | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
think the women's issue matters, Democrats win more when women vote | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
for them more than men vote for Republicans. This was the gift we | :11:57. | :12:04. | |
kept on giving. I agree of it the economy. One of the things we have | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
been watching is Mitt Romney on who can best handle the economy, jobs, | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
spending and, as of last night, for the first time, and small edge on | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
taxes. Which is what the Democrats had take Anne way from Romney | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
earlier in the year. -- taken away from Romney earlier in the year. | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
Mitt Romney led on all those issues and led on who can make something | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
happen. There is about 70% of the voters that are pocket book voters | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
that is the group of voters Mitt Romney has, on those really voting | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
for the economy. Which states, do you think, or the endless focus | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
upon a very, very small number of electorates, which state will | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
decide it tonight? Ohio. Do you agree? Ohio, I think you have to | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
watch it closely and Virginia, there has been late talk on | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
Virginia being very close. In terms of the Democrats maybe doing better | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
than expected. I would also say Wisconsin. We think we are going to | :12:57. | :13:03. | |
win Wisconsin. So the polls will close pretty shortly in Virginia, | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
in an hour's time. At that point we will be able to tell who has won | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
the presidency, we don't have to stay up all night! That is too | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
Earlly I think you will be able to tell. Who won -- early, I think you | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
will be able to tell who won the presidency, there is the state | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
closing and then the polls being done. I could tell you, you could | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
have this election dispued for a number of days -- dispued for a | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
number of days afterwards. There are ballots set aside not sure they | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
will be counted in Ohio, and a lot of dispute could go on here. | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
could be looking at something like Bush and Gore? Or more so. Even | :13:42. | :13:48. | |
worse, the new law in Ohio, is you have more provisional votes in | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
...I'm Sorry you have to explain what a provisional ballot is? | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
example, if you filed for an absentee ballot, didn't use t and | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
show up on election day, you set aside that ballot to make sure you | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
didn't vote twice. Provisional ballot. Somebody determines whether | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
or not that vote sellable, after the event? That's right. The new | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
law in Ohio is if you have too many provisional ballots they are all | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
set aside for ten days, and not touched. Which makes it even worse | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
than 2000. It is extraordinary how you people run things, people | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
standing for hours trying to get into a polling station. We think | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
the same thing. I thought we got it from you. Not this way of doing it. | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
Look forward to talking to you, when you have some hard | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
intelligence, I hope. The way the system work here, the fate of the | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
nation lies with the voters of a handful of states, the so-called | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
wing states, which Mark and our two pollsters were taking about. We | :14:46. | :14:55. | |
have reporters in three of them. First Richmond Virginia, a key | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
state Mitt Romney must capture to get to the White House. What is the | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
most interesting thing that happened there today? The most | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
interesting thing that has happened here today is people are queuing | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
and queuing for a long time to get to the poll. The turnout looks to | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
be high. Let as just deal with a few facts, there is a lot of | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
speculation, and a lot of impression, but the Virginia | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
Election Board, says it looks as though the turnout will be higher | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
than it was in 2008, and it was a record then. Conventional wisdom | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
says high turnout is good for the Democrats. Could it be that the | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
Romney campaign that has really managed to get the vote out. We | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
will know something in about an hour-and-a-quarter. It is | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
electronic voting, we should get an impression then. There are a couple | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
of key counties to look out for. If they have gone for Obama, it would | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
be a very significant victory and make it very, very difficult for | :15:49. | :15:55. | |
Romney to win, not only in Virginia, but the rest of the country as well. | :15:55. | :16:04. | |
So, if he wins in Virginia, he's probably going to win nationwide? | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
That is the speculation, and then you would say the money that has | :16:07. | :16:13. | |
been spent might well have been worth it. One statistic for you, | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
$131 million has been spent just here in Virginia, for probably | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
about four, four-and-a-half million voters who will go to the polls | :16:23. | :16:32. | |
today. That has brought 186,000 TV and radio ads, it has bought that. | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
When we went to the polling stations, a couple of students said | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
they couldn't watch television or listen to radio over the past two | :16:40. | :16:47. | |
week, because they couldn't bear any more adverts. It makes the UK | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
elections look like a nickle and dime store. Thank you very much. | :16:51. | :16:57. | |
Our correspondent following voters in Cleveland Ohio. What has excited | :16:57. | :17:04. | |
you there, Clive? I tell you what's excited me, the fact that all the | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
political ads have come to an end here. I have been here two days and | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
I'm fed up of them. Let me give you one statistic, 150,000 times, that | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
is the number of times that all President Obama's ads and those | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
groups backing him, have been shown on television here in Ohio over the | :17:22. | :17:31. | |
last few week. For Mitt Romney 41 ,162. If you strung all the ads | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
together, and ran them back-to-back, it would run for four-and-a-half | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
day. That is the horror show that is political campaigning in this | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
swing state. 18 Electoral College votes, both candidates, both | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
campaigns pushing for them for weeks and weeks and weeks, that is | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
why they spent a fortune and put so many ads out here. I'm not the only | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
one glad they are coming to an end in the state. | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
No wonder you have taken refuge in a pub! But if he doesn't win Ohio, | :18:01. | :18:09. | |
how much trouble is he in? Well, look, the thing about Ohio, it is | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
very difficult for a Republican to get to the White House, if they | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
don't win Ohio. The fact is the 18 Electoral College votes, because of | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
the way that Democrat votes and Republican votes are distributed | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
around the country. Ohio is the easiest way for Mitt Romney to get | :18:25. | :18:30. | |
to the White House F he doesn't win hoe Ohio, he has to get a | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
combination of other states that are perhaps leaning too far towards | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
the Democrats, therefore, it is virtually impossible for him to | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
close the deal and finish the job. For the President, for him, he's | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
looking to get Ohio, along with states like Wisconsin, and Iowa, | :18:45. | :18:54. | |
and these will provide what they have been calling a "firewall", a | :18:54. | :19:01. | |
protective firewall that would stop Mitt Romney getting the 250 | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
Electoral College votes he needs. But it will be close. The polls | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
close in an hour-and-a-half, you have provisional ballots that might | :19:10. | :19:17. | |
not be counted for ten days. If it is a tight race it could go on for | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
weeks. Laura Trevelyan has been testing the mood from Miami in | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
Florida. Last night you spent an awfully long time refusing to call | :19:24. | :19:30. | |
it. Are you prepared to do so tonight, do you think? I'm going to | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
be reticent again, one thing I can tell you is there are a lot of | :19:34. | :19:41. | |
alligators in the swamplands in Miami, this had he -- if they had a | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
vote they would be dragged to the polls. It is fascinating today, I | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
have been racing around polling station, started first thing this | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
morning, meeting campaign workers, we are being spun 360 degrees. | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
Everybody telling me ernestly, they have it in the bag, Mitt Romney | :19:59. | :20:06. | |
winning by six, and Barack Obama nabbing the state and getting the | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
Electoral College. They can't both be right. If you look at until | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
recently in this state, he had a bit of a lead, here in Florida it | :20:13. | :20:20. | |
is very, very close. One estimate had both men on 49.75%. I'm sure | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
you can do the math, probably with me with my CSE can manage that one. | :20:25. | :20:32. | |
One thing for sure, if it is a very close result, within 0.5% of the | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
vote, there will be an automatic recount. | :20:35. | :20:41. | |
No more guff about alligators, what would tip the balance? Turnout, and | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
remember here in 2008, Republicans, like across the country, viewed it | :20:46. | :20:52. | |
as an historic election. They had eight years of George W Bush, they | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
were feeling demoralised. Some would have stayed home and Barack | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
Obama's vote turned out in huge numbers. If Republicans are feeling | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
this time very energised, remember this is a retirement state a lot of | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
elderly people, more than elsewhere in the country. If they come out, | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
that could tip the balance. One thing we did find out today, apart | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
from not speaking to alligators who can vote, is turnout here looks to | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
be very high indeed everywhere we went. | :21:17. | :21:23. | |
It is election day and Liberty City, Miami, these streets are some of | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
the most depriefd and dangerous in America. Gangwarfare is rife, and | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
murders are Monday and prospects are few. Yet the mood today is | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
upbeat. High turnout among black voters was | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
crucial to Barack Obama's 2008 victory. Democrats sigh it as a | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
firewall in defend -- see it as a firewall in defending the | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
presidency this time. Who are you voting for? Obama. Why? Because I | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
see he's for us, he's for us. Because I think he can make a | :21:56. | :22:02. | |
change. Mitt Romney, he want to take everything from us. The last | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
four years in the economic crisis have been particularly tough on | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
America's black community, which has suffered rising unemployment | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
and poverty. But in this neighbourhood, at this polling | :22:12. | :22:18. | |
station, the turnout seems just as high as it was in 2008. Outside the | :22:18. | :22:26. | |
polling station we met Sabrena, whose son, tref von, was gunned | :22:26. | :22:33. | |
down on his return to the shops. It resulted in race row in which the | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
President was involved. People have to have their voices heard, and | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
this is the only way to do it. you thinking about your son today? | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
I'm thinking about other people, I just want them out to vote. Also | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
outside was an electoral observer from the Obama campaign. Her job is | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
to make sure people aren't prevented from voting. Inside, a | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
lawyer from the Romney campaign was checking that only the eligible | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
were casting ballots. In polling stations across Miami, Democrats | :23:00. | :23:08. | |
and Republicans are watching the process intently, just waiting to | :23:08. | :23:14. | |
cry foul. The crisis from Florida's disputed election in 2000 run deep. | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
There seems to be lawyers from both parties circling. Like shark in the | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
water. Are people waiting for things to go I don't think? Yes. I | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
think people will file a grievance just on the thought that they may | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
have been infringed upon, they may have thought they were, as opposed | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
to something actually happening, just to make news and headlines. | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
Republicans say they are not trying to suppress turnout by monitoring | :23:35. | :23:41. | |
the voting, they are stopping fraud. In 08 there was widespread cheating, | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
a lot of people who weren't eligible voted and weren't alive | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
voted. Every poll will have at least two to three watchers from | :23:48. | :23:53. | |
each parties, making sure there is no discrepancy to when people turn | :23:53. | :23:59. | |
out to vote. Things were running smoothly until | :23:59. | :24:04. | |
they ran out of ballots mid- afternoon. Harrington's opponent is | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
not only the Congresswoman here, but the chair of the Democratic | :24:07. | :24:13. | |
National Committee. We have been through this in Florida before. 527 | :24:13. | :24:19. | |
votes separated Al Gore from the presidency, we have, at the DNC, | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
had an early protection team in place, the voter protection team on | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
the ground here in Florida and the battleground states for months. | :24:26. | :24:31. | |
skirmishing is intense, because the prize here is so big. Florida's 29 | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
votes are vital to Mitt Romney's hopes of winning, he has been | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
gaining ground here. If the President loses here in Florida, | :24:37. | :24:43. | |
can he still win the White House? Oh yeah. We have built the largest, | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
most significant grassroots presidential campaign in history. | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
And we have many path, many more paths than Mitt Romney has, to 270 | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
electoral votes. We win Florida and it is game over. We win the | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
election. I'm planning for us to do that today. But there are other, | :24:58. | :25:06. | |
numerous other paths, and more paths than Mitt Romney has. We will | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
know the result in the sunshine state in a few hours time, or we | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
won't, if not it could take much longer to resolve. | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
Whatever happens in the long night looming ahead of us here, the | :25:19. | :25:29. | |
:25:29. | :25:29. | ||
elections of 2012 are already notorious for their vagueness, and | :25:29. | :25:34. | |
brass-necked boon dogging. Where Democrats and Republicans go from | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
here, Eleanor Clift, and Jim Gilmore, we're joined from New York | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
by the writer, Martin Amis, who now lives here. Martin Amis, have you | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
been excited by the spectacle of this election? More frightened and | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
depressed than excited. What I can't understand is why it is close, | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
and it didn't looks a though it was going to be until three or four | :25:58. | :26:05. | |
weeks ago. Where Romney was widely ridiculed as a lousy candidate, and | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
couldn't get through a day without some atrocious gaffe. And then it | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
all got turned around by that first debate in Denver. I can't | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
understand why the impact of that was so great. It wasn't that Romney | :26:17. | :26:23. | |
was so eloquent, it was, I think, that Obama looked exhausted, and | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
his presidency looked exhausted. And there may even have been a hint | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
of contempt in the way he engaged with Romney. I don't think | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
Americans like that. It hasn't been pleasant watching Obama being | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
reduced from what he was in 2008, and I don't think the American | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
people have liked it either, that is why it is close, against all | :26:44. | :26:51. | |
rational interest, in my view. You, famously, quite recently, | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
decided you would prefer to live in America than in England, as it now | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
is, would you feel the same way under a Romney presidency? I would | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
be very depressed by a Romney presidency. I came here for | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
personal reasons, out of no disaffection for England, but I | :27:07. | :27:13. | |
have been thinking, in the last few week, that you know the Republicans | :27:13. | :27:19. | |
have got themselves in a state where the Reagan that they refer to | :27:19. | :27:25. | |
so ref vently, would, in fact, be a pariah in the present party. I | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
wonder if we could imagine a Conservative Party in England that | :27:28. | :27:34. | |
had got so far to the right that they would have to disown Margaret | :27:34. | :27:44. | |
Thatcher. It is quite extreme what is going on here. It is a kind of | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
hypocrisy. Tax cuts for the rich, there is not a democracy on earth | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
where that would be mentioned, let alone tabled and passed and given a | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
second term. And yet, they are pressing forward with that, even | :27:54. | :28:01. | |
though it is a long-exploded policy. It is as if they have lost a | :28:01. | :28:11. | |
:28:11. | :28:14. | ||
certain amount of pou-d' err. OK, we will come back to you in a | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
moment. What has happened to your party that it can be characterised | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
in that way? I don't think most people would characterise it that | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
way. The Republican Party is very diverse, I'm a conservative, but | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
I'm not like every other conservative. There are a lot of | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
different points of view. But the heart of the matter, for this race, | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
is the question of the future. What actually should we be doing in | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
order to revitalise the American economy, get more jobs, get more | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
growth. And some how, in order to get the economy growing that it | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
just favours the rich, that is not right. We don't want tax cuts, but | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
tax incentive, so people will invest their capital, create | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
something exciting, new and dynamic, and we can get forward motion. That | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
is the theme of the Romney campaign. Where as the President has been | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
saying, I have been here for four years, give me more and things will | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
turn around. There has been no driving, forward motion with the | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
Obama campaign. That is why it is close. Eleanor Clift, you have seen | :29:13. | :29:18. | |
a good number of elections here, when you look at the state of the | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
Republican Party now, if Mitt Romney doesn't win it tonight, | :29:21. | :29:27. | |
where are they left? First of all, I don't think you have to go back | :29:27. | :29:33. | |
to President Lincoln, to find a Republican candidate to find it | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
difficult to survive in today's Republican Party. Go back to Ronald | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
Reagan, who did indeed raise taxes, the great conflict today is we have | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
gross inequality in this country, we have a huge deaf vit, and the | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
Republican Party just -- deficit, and Republican Party just remains | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
adamant on no new taxes on the upper income. If Romney loses an | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
election that many people thought he would win, because of the poor | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
economy. And because President Obama failed to meet the | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
expectations that he set for himself, and that the country | :30:05. | :30:11. | |
expected of him. I think one response will be that he wasn't, | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
Mitt Romney wasn't Conservative enough. I think there will be some | :30:14. | :30:20. | |
divisions within the party. I think there are enough, hate to use the | :30:20. | :30:24. | |
word "moderates", it is overdone, maybe "sensible", Republican, | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
especially in the Senate. Who are tired of voting against things they | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
actually believe in. The President himself says if he is re-elected, | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
the fever will break. He thinks they will work with him. I would | :30:35. | :30:40. | |
like to believe that as well. terms of election, generally, what | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
has this one been like? It doesn't feel like a real ground-breaking | :30:44. | :30:53. | |
election in the way that, for example, the last one was. These | :30:53. | :31:00. | |
big epocical changes, am I wrong, what do you think? If Romney wins, | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
I believe it is because the American people are tired of | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
mediocrity in the economy, they want something fresh and new, they | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
want some excitement. We understand our responsibility as Americans in | :31:11. | :31:17. | |
the world, and the work we have to do in order to lead and work with | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
allies. We can't do it with a week economy. I think Americans | :31:20. | :31:24. | |
understand all this, and they know that it hasn't worked over the last | :31:24. | :31:30. | |
four years. That kind of programme doesn't work. And I disagree with | :31:30. | :31:35. | |
Elinor about this notion that some how there is gross inequality in | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
the country. There are always going to be inequalities of income in | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
every free society, include tag in the United Kingdom. But the fact is, | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
what -- including that in the United Kingdom. But the fact s we | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
need to create investment and opportunities for people to have | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
forward motion, and rise above their stations in life they have, | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
and move forward. That is what the Republican ticket is about. Do you | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
think this was a really significant election? I think it is significant, | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
because if Mitt Romney is elected he would try to undo loot of what | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
President Obama has done, in terms it of regulation -- undo a lot of | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
what President Obama has done. In terms of regulation, and extending | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
universal healthcare. In terms of restraints on the business | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
community, in the wake of the overreach of the creating of the | :32:22. | :32:28. | |
meltdown in 2008. I think Mitt Romney talks about this forward | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
motion of the economy, he hasn't told us how he would do that. | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
Except, to direct more money to the called job creators, who have been | :32:37. | :32:42. | |
doing very well the whole first decade of this century, and they | :32:42. | :32:48. | |
haven't created the jobs. So, I don't see what Romney represent, | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
except an attempt to undo some of the measures that have introduced | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
some equality into the society. According to the polls he means a | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
lot to quite a lot of people, perhaps just a majority? We are a | :33:01. | :33:07. | |
divided country. The 50-50 country in all of that. But look at the | :33:07. | :33:15. | |
Republican Party, it is 90% white, the Democratic that returns to | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
Congress after the election will be 50% minority and women. Which party | :33:19. | :33:26. | |
is America? Martin Amis, what do you think we should make of the | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
possibility that President Obama might, according to the polls, lose | :33:29. | :33:37. | |
this election? What do we make of it? We should salute the deeper | :33:37. | :33:45. | |
rationality of the American people. There are many vins of severe | :33:45. | :33:50. | |
rationality. We should -- vein of severe rationalty. We should blush | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
for a future Romney, who believes the return of Christ will divide | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
his time between Jerusalem and Missouri, will be the leader of the | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
free world. Thank you all very much indeed. That's it for the moment, | :34:02. | :34:09. | |
back shortly, now over to you. For all the people who say they | :34:09. | :34:11. | |
were abused, in or around children's homes in North Wales, | :34:11. | :34:17. | |
only to have their complaints ignored, a message today from the | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
Government, "we will listen to you". The Home Secretary has announced a | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
police inquiry into the last police inquiry, and a judge will lead an | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
inquiry into the last judicial inquiry. Inquiries are spreading | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
fast. In a moment we will discuss whether a desire to make up for | :34:34. | :34:42. | |
past wrongs risks making more mistakes. First this report. | :34:42. | :34:45. | |
For many years now, former residents of children's homes in | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
North Wales, have alleged they were abused by a paedophile-ring in the | :34:50. | :34:55. | |
1970s and 1980s. In 1991, seven care workers were convicted of | :34:55. | :34:59. | |
abuse, the allegations of a ring persisted. The Government set up an | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
inquiry, its report concluded there was no evidence of a paedophile- | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
ring, beyond the care system. Former residents, witnesses at that | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
inquiry, and their lawyers, have claimed it was too limited in its | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
scope. It was to inquiry into the abuse of | :35:15. | :35:21. | |
children in care in the former County Council areas of grin ned | :35:21. | :35:28. | |
and Clwyd since 1974 -- Gwynedd and Clwyd since 1974, and focus on | :35:28. | :35:35. | |
those responsible for the children. The police inquiries were also said | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
to be flawed. Theresa May said there was to be an inquiry into | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
that York. One of the victims in the report, Steve Meesham, alleged | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
the inquiry didn't look at abuse outside the care homes and a | :35:48. | :35:51. | |
renewed allegations against the police and several individuals. | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
The Government is treating these allegations with the utmost | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
seriousness. Child abuse is a hateful, abhorrent, and disgusting | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
crime, we must not allow these allegations to go unanswered. And I | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
therefore urge anybody who has information, relating to these | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
allegations, to go to the police. The head of the national crime | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
agency is to investigate any fresh allegations, and look at the way | :36:15. | :36:20. | |
the police handled the original complaints. They will be helped by | :36:20. | :36:26. | |
the Serious and Organised Crime Agency, or SOCA, and child | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
exploitation -- the Child Exploitation and Online Protection | :36:29. | :36:34. | |
Centre, CEOP, and a judge will review and secretary the verpls of | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
the Waterhouse Inquiry. Some police officers say things are very | :36:38. | :36:42. | |
different now. If we have made a mistake, I think we have to be | :36:42. | :36:51. | |
honest about it. Times have changed, we are a given force, a different | :36:51. | :36:54. | |
generation that deal with the cases now, than the ones investigating it | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
now. Things have moved on, things have changed. I don't think there | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
will be any issue about people coming and telling us issues that | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
might involve ex-officers, or politicians. I don't think there is | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
going to be any issue about that. Some say that these reviews are | :37:11. | :37:17. | |
themselves too narrow. Mr Speaker, the lesson of Hillsborough, and | :37:17. | :37:22. | |
hacking is that a narrowed down investigation is the basic building | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
block of a cover-up, to limit this inquiry to North Wales and Savile, | :37:27. | :37:32. | |
would, in my view, be a deriliction of the Home Secretary's duty. It | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
would guarantee that many sickening crimes would remain uninvestigated, | :37:35. | :37:39. | |
and some of the most despicable paedophiles will remain protected | :37:39. | :37:45. | |
by the establishment that has shielded them for 30 years. Others | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
say the new inquiries are unwarranted. If you look at the | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
terms of reference, right at the beginning of the inquiry, and which | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
I have read. They were looking at abuse of children in care. They | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
heard evidence from a number of witnesses. They had all been in | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
care, or some people had been social workers and some outside the | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
care system. They weren't restricted, really, in looking at | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
children being abused in a particular care home. They looked | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
specifically at children being taken out of the care system or | :38:18. | :38:24. | |
homes and being abused in hostels or hotel or whatever it may be. | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
These allegations are abhorrent, the abuse despicable, the strong | :38:29. | :38:37. | |
language of politicians expresses a widely felt revelgsvulgs. But | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
securing convictions in these cases are very difficult, even though | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
police forces pursue them harder than in the past. 20 years ago | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
Clwyd Council commissioned a report on the alleged abuse, Karen Lumley | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
was a councillor then, she read it, and remembers crying a lot at the | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
detailed accounts, thinking of her own young children. She understands | :38:58. | :39:03. | |
the strong reaction now. Yes, I think the initial reaction is, how | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
does that happen? How do ordinary human beings do that kind of thing? | :39:08. | :39:14. | |
And my initial reaction is how do we punish them. Even 20 years on f | :39:14. | :39:17. | |
we find people, we should be punishing them. It is not fair that | :39:17. | :39:25. | |
we have let those young people down. And what of the people at the heart | :39:25. | :39:31. | |
of this? The victims of many years of abuse. Steve Meesham says he was | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
confident the Government was taking them seriously. But he wasn't yet | :39:36. | :39:44. | |
confident the investigations would be done properly. With us, Malcolm | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
Johnson, the solicitor we saw in that report, and from Belfast, Jim | :39:47. | :39:50. | |
Gamble, the former head of the police's Child Exploitation and | :39:50. | :39:58. | |
Online Protection Centre. The experience of many victims is | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
they feel let down by the system, institutions and people they went | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
to. Can those people have any more confidence now? I think they can | :40:06. | :40:12. | |
have a lot more confidence now. One of the positive legacys from the | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
Savile investigation, is that people are being much more victim- | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
centered. We are thinking about what we do. I think many of us | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
involved in the child protection world, formally and informally, now | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
think about the language we use. I was contacted by a former victim | :40:27. | :40:32. | |
after my last appearance, who really didn't like the use of the | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
term "historic", when I reflect on that, they are absolutely right, | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
these victims aren't historic, they are suffering every single day. The | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
abuse inflicted on them, may be many years ago, because they feel | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
they haven't got justice. I think there is a real change. This is a | :40:47. | :40:53. | |
real change in mind set, I do believe one of the poss is, more | :40:53. | :40:58. | |
victims are up -- positives is more victims are coming forward. Has the | :40:58. | :41:05. | |
Waterhouse Inquiry been unfairly maligned? I think it is, it was an | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
extensive inquiry, that took place over many months, and interviewed | :41:09. | :41:14. | |
many hundreds of witnesses. The allegations is children taken out | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
of care homes and abused in hotels and so on. They say they weren't | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
listened to? They say so, but if you look at the terms of the | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
inquiry and it examined, they were listened to. But the inquiry, | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
unfortunately, showed the evidence wasn't strong enough to show a | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
major paedophile conspiracy. What is the point of the inquiry? | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
would ask that question. I feel there is political impetuous behind | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
this and politicians feel they need to do something. I would question | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
whether the resources are best put into another child protection issue, | :41:47. | :41:52. | |
rather than this, which has been investigated. You worry this is | :41:52. | :41:59. | |
political activity for the sake of it? I do, I'm afraid. I think the | :41:59. | :42:04. | |
Waterhouse house -- Waterhouse Inquiry did go into these issues, | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
it was sensitively handedled, I think they felt they had to leave | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
no stone unturned. With the police investigation there were a number | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
of conviction as well. To my mind I was rather surprised there would be | :42:17. | :42:21. | |
an inquiry into the inquiry. Just to get your view on this, the terms | :42:21. | :42:28. | |
of reference, and what the Waterhouse Inquiry did. As far as | :42:28. | :42:31. | |
you are concerned, were the allegations about activities | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
outside children's homes themselves, properly investigated? That's the | :42:34. | :42:39. | |
key issue. We don't know. There is an issue of perception and | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
confidence in those people now watching what happens. There are | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
several things need to happen, there needs to be a scoping, to | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
look at the voracity of the allegation against that particular | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
inquiry. I think we are getting very mixed up, I think the | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
Government in launching different inquiries in different areas, is | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
perhaps simply going to congest the space. Do you think some of this is | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
political, by the way? I'm not sure it is political, I think the | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
Government feels a need to react and use strong language. Isn't that | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
political? Let me say this, in child protection you learn to pause | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
and plan. I think there is a lack of pausing and planning here. We | :43:14. | :43:19. | |
have had Savile, there needs to be a single overarching inquiry, the | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
shadow Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, has said that, and we have | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
heard Tim Loughton say that. I couldn't agree with them more. The | :43:26. | :43:28. | |
issues that deal with individual allegations of potential crime, | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
need to be dealt with effectively by the police. This week I actually | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
felt like standing up and applauding when Keith Towler, the | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
Children's Commissioner from Wales, came out and advocated on behalf of | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
victims in the way he did. We don't see that often enough. There needs | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
to be a balance, there needs to be an overarching review that looks at | :43:46. | :43:51. | |
the lessons that can be learned and how they can be applied across a | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
broad geography, in health, education, policing and care. There | :43:54. | :44:00. | |
needs to be individual scoping, by police investigations, to look at | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
other reasonable grounds to suspects offences. There is 28 | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
people referred to in the report. Where are they today, did they | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
commit other offences, were they ever placed on the sex offenders' | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
register, any time nurture. That will give you a sense of how | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
effective that investigation of. Would you support an overarching | :44:21. | :44:31. | |
inquiry, you talked about the investigation not going ahead? | :44:31. | :44:37. | |
child protection it is an enormously delicate issue. If you | :44:37. | :44:42. | |
have a scatter gun approach with inquiries, you won't get anywhere | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
at all. What about one big inquiry? I don't think it would assist, I | :44:46. | :44:49. | |
don't think there should be another inquiry into these allegations. If | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
the Government has decided there has to be, then there has to be. I | :44:54. | :44:56. | |
question seriously whether it will make a difference to the victims. | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
You would just leave it? I think I would, yes. What about the victims? | :45:01. | :45:07. | |
Well, again I would say, those victims gave their allegations to | :45:07. | :45:10. | |
the inquiry at the time. They are saying they weren't listened to, | :45:10. | :45:17. | |
but if you read the terms of the inquiry, they were all listened. To | :45:17. | :45:24. | |
but unfart Natalie, the inquiries cop -- unfortunately, the inquiry | :45:24. | :45:27. | |
concluded there wasn't enough evidence to take the allegations | :45:27. | :45:30. | |
forward. The police already investigated the matters. The | :45:30. | :45:33. | |
history of the North Wales inquiry is the police were fairly | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
aggressive in their investigation, I'm not sure they come in for a | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
great deal of criticism. Thank you very much. With more on the main | :45:41. | :45:49. | |
news, here's Jeremy. We still have our pollsters here. | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
What are the exit polls showing? The early exit polls are showing | :45:53. | :45:58. | |
Obama up a couple of points in most states. Do you agree on that? | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
Supposedly they are. Several of the measures that she was getting of | :46:01. | :46:08. | |
the first run, they do three runs, 10.00, 2.00, and 5.00. She was | :46:08. | :46:13. | |
looking at some of the first run and some of the second run. | :46:13. | :46:18. | |
Republicans usually turn out later in the day, as opposed to on return | :46:18. | :46:23. | |
from work rather than going to work. Is there anything you have | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
discovered with turnout and exit polls that gives comfort to Romney? | :46:28. | :46:35. | |
In Ohio, on the early vote, now that is done. We had a 100,000-vote | :46:35. | :46:41. | |
increase on the Republican side, 100,000-vote decrease on the | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
Democrat side, in a state Obama won last time but only 239,000 voit. | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
Election day becomes that much more -- votes. Election day becomes that | :46:50. | :46:59. | |
much more important. Reports are election is turnout is high, apart | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
from Cleveland? That is the state they have to come out with from a | :47:02. | :47:08. | |
big margin. We have heard, since them, they are trying to push the | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
Democratic vote out. But the provisional ballots are increase | :47:11. | :47:16. | |
anything that area. Have you heard the same thing? Yes, that | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
originally clove land was lower turnout, but we are pushing it. | :47:19. | :47:24. | |
That would be bad news for Obama? It will be, if we don't get it | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
picked up in the last few hours. long night. We will be here | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
tomorrow night, working out what the result, when eventually we get | :47:31. | :47:37. | |
it, means for America and the rest of you. Meantime there were claims | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
earlier today that a voting machine in Pennsylvania, that every time | :47:40. | :47:46. | |
you voted for Obama, it registered Romney, if it was true, it was like | :47:46. | :47:54. | |
life imitating art. One vote for McCain, thank you. No, I want to | :47:54. | :47:59. | |
vote for Obama. Two votes for McCain. Come on, it's time for a | :47:59. | :48:08. | |
change. Three votes for McCain. votes for President McCain. I only | :48:08. | :48:13. | |
meant one of those votes for McCain. This machine is rigged. Must tell | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
President McCain. This doesn't happen in America, | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
maybe Ohio, but not in America! maybe Ohio, but not in America! | :48:22. | :48:30. | |
Ahhhh. Chilly out there, patchy rain and | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
drizzle around western areas, further east a little brightness, | :48:33. | :48:37. | |
sunshine at times. Certainly dry and bright across eastern areas, we | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
saw through the afternoon. North West England, for instance, exposed | :48:40. | :48:45. | |
to that strengthening west low wind, continuing rain and drizzle at the | :48:45. | :48:51. | |
time. Through the Pennines gusty winds. Not as much sunshine through | :48:51. | :48:56. | |
the east Midland. Some brighter spells at times. Cloud amounts will | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
always be fairly large. Particularly across west Devon, and | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
western Wales, don't be surprised to see further rain or drizzle | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
continue from the morning. The wind continue to strengthen during the | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
day, it is a fairly mild wind, temperatures of 9-12 possible. That | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
will be tempered by the strength of the wind. That wind continues to | :49:12. | :49:15. | |
feed in occasional dampness across Northern Ireland. Rain or drizzle | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
throughout the day at times in the west of Scotland, brighter to the | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
east. Aberdeenshire, Angus and Fife. The difference between Wednesday | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
and Thursday will not be a great deal. If anything the winds may | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
ease down a little bit after a breezy neat. Brightness across | :49:30. | :49:33. | |
eastern and southern parts, certainly around western coasts and | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
hills we will see further rain and drizzle at times. Western Scotland | :49:37. | :49:40. |