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23/11/2012

Is the Leveson press standards inquiry too elitist? Does the euro budget row change anything? Is Egyptian democracy already fading? With Kirsty Wark.


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As Lord Leveson is about to deliver his verdict on the state of the

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press, senior politicians, campaign groups and celebrities are piling

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on the pressure to get their way. What about the powerless? If you

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are not part of the establishment, will Lord Leveson still be on your

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side? The father of a 7/7 victim caught

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up in hacking, thinks not. You can see it is all part of the old boy

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network and the same establishment. I haven't seen any part of the

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Leveson Inquiry to which I can feel, as a member of the public,

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affiliated with. The charge is eliteism, is it true?

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Brussels tonight, full of sound and fury, but signifying no change at

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all. Who is there to stand up for the taxpayer, who is to say,

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where's the money going to come from, who will pay for this? Anger

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in Egypt, as their newly-elected President make as power grab, is he

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is securing democracy or destroying Good evening, when David Cameron

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announced the Leveson Inquiry, he said it would look into not only

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how newspapers are regulated, but also at the relationships between

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politicians and the press. Has the intervening 12 months revealed more

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about Britain's power elites than could ever have been imagined. Who

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knew, for instance, that the Prime Minister and Rebekah Brooks had

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such a close relationship. Are the fault lines developing over

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statutory regulation, in the best interests of celebrities or every

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day folks. First tonight, we hare the testimony of the father of one

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of those who died in the London someings, and himself a suspected

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victim of phone hacking. David Foulkes was 24 years old when

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he was killed on the 7th July, in Edgware Road, it was his first time

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in London on his own. My wife came home, we spent the next 36, 48

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hours trying to get some kind of answer. We got no response, nobody

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knew what was going on, we couldn't get touch with David, we had mobile

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phones, two landlines at home, David had two phones, we tried

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every number and combination of numbers and we called for

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everything and got nowhere. would be six days before David's

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parents finally learned he was dead. It would be six more years before

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they discovered from the police that their phones might have been

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hacked by the News of the World. was a senior police officer and he

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started discussing with me Operation Weeting, it meant to go

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to me, I asked him when did he know that my private details were in the

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possession of News International. He said, for some years now. He had

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only contacted me, and other members, simply because it was

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about to be put in the public domain in the Daily Telegraph, I

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think it was, the next day. When Brian Leveson was first appointed

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to lead the hacking inquiry, there was hope that the inquiry would be

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about the damage done to ordinary families. Despite the 100 witnesses

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from many organisations, the inquiry hasn't turned out how he

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has wanted. I thought for once something to do with the public

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would be addressed. There was some interest in the 7/7 people again, I

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didn't want to get involved with that. And yet the families of the

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victims were the ones that one of the biggest grievances? Exactly. I

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feel quite upset that an important piece of work for ordinary people,

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for ordinary members of the public, was railroaded by the celebrity

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circus. And also, it became apparent, very quickly, that the

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politicians would quite like to get a grip on the media as well, and

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the politicians are clearly using Leveson as a vehicle to get their

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own way. But what about the Government, speaking to the

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Government about what happened? Only ten days or so ago, it was

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reported in the press, that Maria Miller, the minister, DCMS, had

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face-to-face meetings with Hugh Grant, and the press reported she

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was minded to go along with much of his thoughts and suggestions. I e-

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mailed Maria Miller, explaining who I was, and my points of view, and I

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didn't even get a reply from the minister. I got a reply from one of

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her aides, saying it would be inappropriate for a minister to

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comment as the report had not yet been publicised. Which, I just

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think illustrated my point precisely. That the Leveson Inquiry

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has been hijacked, if you are rich and famous and a celebrity, you

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have immediate access to ministers, but if you are an ordinary member

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of the public, a ministerial aide sends you an e-mail.

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What do you want to come out of the Leveson Inquiry. You seem to be

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suggesting that you think it is a stitch-up for politicians to put

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their dabs on the media? I think stitch-up might be a bit strong.

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But certainly they have seen it as an opportunity to maybe get hold of

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the media and try to shape it in a way that suits them. That would be

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a dreadful outcome. That would be like going back to Stalinism, and

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China and North Korea. The great strength of this country is we do

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have a free press. We have in place, currently, enough laws to deal with

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the activities we are talking about. We don't need any more legislation.

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We just need a regulation, or a body that is able to control when

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they cross the line, from a morality point of view. Do you

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think that the way that Leveson has been conducted, and your experience

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of Leveson, tells you anything about the establishment? Well, I

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think that the establishment have quickly taken control of Leveson.

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If you look at the team that are supporting Leveson, you can see,

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that it's all part of the same old boy network, and the name

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establishment. I have not seen any part of the Leveson Inquiry to

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which I can feel, as a member of the public, affiliated with, and

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think that's to help me, as a member of the public, that is to

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help me. All I have seen is various lobby groups take over the Leveson

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Inquiry. Trying to shape it to suit them. If you were to be sitting in

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front of Brian Leveson right now, what would you say to him? I would

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be saying to him that I hope he has not been derailed. That he has been

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able to cut through all the smoke screen and keep the inquiry on

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track. I would like to think that he would recommend a course of

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action that is the right and proper thing to do. Which avoids

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parliament, in any way, taking over or having control of the media.

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Thank you very much indeed. I'm joined now by Simon Jenkins,

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columnist for the Guardian, and two people who have had their phones

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hacked, the publicist, Max Clifford and Joan Smith.

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Do you recognise Graham Foulkes's characterisation of Leveson as

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being hijacked by celebrity? didn't need to be hijacked, he was

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obsessed with celebrity. I don't think it is fair to imply,

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therefore, he's going to give an establishment stitch-up, it was an

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ill-judged commission of inquiry, it was way over the top. The whole

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reference to phone hacking, in your own report, this is a crime.

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Leveson is not looking into that crime. He's not got any remit to

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look into the crime, maybe on a future date. This was a crime that

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has been committed and being dealt with by the police. The Leveson

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Inquiry is about the ethics of the press, that is a different matter.

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The ethic of the press, as Graham was saying, he wants some new body

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to govern the ethic of the press. You he couldn't say what it was, I

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don't know what it is going to be. I'm doubtful this characterising

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Leveson as an establishment stitch- up is the correct way to do it.

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Before we talk about establishment, does he have a point, from where he

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sits, it has been dominated by celebrities who have had their

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phones hacked, and in a sense that the media itself latches on to that,

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and that is what it has been characterised by? I'm not wealthy

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or a celebrity, in the last week I have met David Cameron, Ed Miliband

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and Nick Clegg, to discuss phone hacking, and all of that. And the

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people. You are a columnist for a national newspaper, you have

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profile? The rest of the people in the room for me were people whose

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relatives had disappeared or murdered, you might have recognised

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their names, not because they are celebrities, but they are people

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who terrible things have happened to. What were you talking about in

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the room? We were talking about, what we as victims of phone hacking,

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would like to see come out of the Leveson Inquiry, and seeking

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assurances from all three party leaders that they were still

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committed to the Leveson process. It is interesting that you didn't

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think that meeting with Leveson would have been a good idea. Maybe

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that is simply not allowed? For the victims? To put your point of view

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at this stage in the inquiry? of us have already given evidence.

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I gave evidence on the first day of the inquiry, when it was taking

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evidence. I must say, that having been involved in the whole thing

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for a year as a core participant victim, I have met far, far more

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people who were ordinary members of the public who had terrible things

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happen to them than I have celebrities. What I think happens

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is when news organisations ring up the victims' organisations they ask

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for Hugh Grant, that may skew the impression of what the victims'

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organisation is. This is very much Graham Foulkes's own experience

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with it, do you have sympathy with how he views Leveson? I think the

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most important thing, as far as I'm concerned, is hopefully the public

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will get better protection. Stars, the rich and famous, have tonnes of

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protection. I know, because in many ways I'm part of it, and have been

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for 50 years. The rich and famous are well looked after, they have

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got expensive lawyers and PR people, often giving them more protection

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than they deserve. Ordinary members of the public don't have. And

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that's one thing I hope will come out of the Leveson Inquiry. We must

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have a free press, but you must have members of the public

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protected when their privacy is being invaded, with no

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justification. Do you think it does show, not necessarily that the

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prevalence of an establishment, but a number of elites. For example,

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you would hope that the newspapers would hold politicians to account,

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but you feel that, in a sense, newspapers have been so embroiled

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in this, that they don't have an independence from politicians?

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think it is wrong to frame this as an attack on freem do of the press.

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What it is, it is an exposure of abuse of power. I don't he see how

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newspapers, and editors, can hold politicians to account if we are

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meeting. I have no problem with them being lobbied by editors, and

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public meetings that are publicly recorded. What Leveson has exposed

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is a level of private meetings, subterranean contact, that the rest

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of us didn't know about. That is very worrying. There is a very

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narrow group, between the newspaper press, the broadcasters, the

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politicians, they go round in a merry-go-round? What is interesting

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about Leveson, he has revealed some of the things that go on. That is

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interesting. Every now and then it is interesting to have a great

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turning over of stones and you see all the little bugs running around

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underneath the stones. That has been significant, and interesting,

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it is important you do that. Whether at the end of the day you

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can invent some new system that prevents that happening, or reveals

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it to the public or makes a difference, I very much doubt.

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someone, like people whose families were the victims of 7/7, and they

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look at where the power lies, it would be fair to say that the power

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lies often between the press and the politicians, and even the

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judiciary. That is the narrow area in Britain where power resides?

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reality of it is, of course, it is not just politicians who have a

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close relationship, because they need to, with Fleet Street, so do

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the proprietors of newspapers have a close relationship with the press,

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and politicians, because they all want to have maximum influence.

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It's just a question of trying to make it as open as possible so we

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can all see and hear what is going Going back to the point that Graham

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was making. I think there is a real question about how what might be

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called "ordinary people", famous for a day, might get some redress

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when they feel hard done by. The Press Complaints Commission was set

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up to do that. In those cases the press complaints commission hasn't

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done a bad job. The crime is a different matter. But redress is

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there, it needs to be tightened up and tweaked, but it is feasible.

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Here you have an all-singing, all- dancing inquiry that takes a year.

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You have Lord Leveson who doesn't want the report to Laing qirb on

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the shelf. He presents his report to parliament, and the politicians,

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who are implicated, make the decision. You describe the real

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world. The point is, he may, he may say that actually we should have

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some, what Joan wants, satry? don't want that, I want --

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statutory? I don't want that I want independent. But he has a whole

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pile of people saying they don't want that? Would I rather the Prime

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Minister and the cabinet take a decision than a judge. I would

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rather the Prime Minister and the cabinet. What is the point of the

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inquiry, there will be a second judgment? To reveal things, conduct

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a public debate, which is done. To turn over stones. Judges shouldn't

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make law. You say to turn over stones, if those stones are going

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to be turned back again, what is the point? That is why I don't

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think this is going top had a. I don't think that Lord Justice

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Leveson wants to be another Calcott. The last commission to the press?

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That was 20 years ago and Simon was part of that. All we have had for

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the last 20 years self-regulation. The question is not self-or state

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regulation, it is independent -- self-or-state regulation, it is

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independent regulation. You have to have a strong press complaints body

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that is prepared to stand up for ordinary people. Ordinary people

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know of its existence and they will help them. That hasn't happened in

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the past. Unlike some, I think the press complaints commission has

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been dreadful for ordinary people, for the last 20, 30 years, so many

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people have come to me, as well as other people, and saying the press

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complaints don't want to know. Many, many people, and they weren't

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interested. At the moment do you think Brian Leveson will be feeling

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the pressure? He's a tough guy. He's run that inquiry as he wanted

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to run it. I think he became star struck by it. That in itself was

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quite useful, it has raised the profile of it all. If you ask me at

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the end of the day if there will be a lot of difference, I don't think

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there is. The thing is to meet the point to ensure you have a

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plausible regime, that people have faith in. They won't have faith in

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it if the press run it themselves. That is the problem. Jo all wait

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through it has been about power -- All the way through it has been

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about power, it is how you give power to ordinary people. And

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Leveson wants to make sure there is an independent regulator where the

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editors aren't judging themselves and others, and a statutory

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backdrop so nobody can opt out of the situation. What is interesting,

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is as soon as he brings his report out, he's going to Australia, where

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the media is totally controlled by Rupert Murdoch! Maybe it was

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indigestion eating a meal of cold cut late at night, or too much rich

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Belgian chocolate. 27 European leaders, in the end, agreed to

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nothing. The EU budget is running out with a 2% added on at the table.

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There is a raft of other EU- designed policies coming down the

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track, most greeted like a cup of warm sick by David Cameron and his

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Conservative colleagues. So is this only the beginning of saying no to

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Europe? Vasily Grossman witnessed If only it were as simple as

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tossing a few coins in a hat, they could agree the EU budget and be

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home in time for tea. This is not just a battle about cash. It is

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also about political capital. We're not going to be tough on

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budgets at home, just to come here and sign up to big increases in

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European spending. From a budget of nearly a trillion euros, it is

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simplely not acceptable to carry on tinkering around the edges,

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shuffling chunks of money from one part of the budget to another, we

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need to cut unaffordable spending. That is what is happening at home,

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and it needs to happen here. This is more than just a row about the

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budget, it should be seen as part of a wider conflict between

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competing visions for how the EU should evolve. If you want a

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concrete example of how the EU institutions themselves think they

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should go, you only have to travel next door from the summit venue.

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A short walk away is evidence that far from being an institution in

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retreat, the EU wants to do more, it wants a deeper, comprehensive

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union. It's called the Europa Building,

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and it is costing over a billion euros with its central pod-like

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thing. When it is finished it will be the home of the European Council,

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and Herman Van Rompuy. The question is, how much will Britain be

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involved in what goes on there? whole idea of not to have the a la

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carte, not to do the "cherrypick"ing, and take what you

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like and don't contribute to the rest of it. It is like being a

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member of any club, you take the week with the sour. It increasingly

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looks like "cherrypick"ing. does that go down here? Not very

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well. The UK has signalled it intends to exercise its opt-out

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from 140 justice and home affairs measures, and renegotiate back into

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the ones it wants to be part of. We have also signalled very strongly

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we want nothing to do with and would veto any attempts to

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introduce banking and financial regulation that were against

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Britain's interests. This is one way of relieving the

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frustration of a summit like this, there is plenty of frustration

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among EU partner, some of whom are taking aim at what they regard as

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Britain's aggressively negative attitude. I think it is a very bad

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thing that there should be a second-class membership of Great

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Britain. The interest of Britain and the interest of the British

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citizens and companies lies on the continent. A second-class

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membership, something inbetween Norway and Turkey seems to me a

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very bad move. Practically is it possible, with matters like

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justice? It is already prakically a little bit the case. Britain is not

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a member of Schengen, or the euro. So the summit briefing go on,

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frankly Britain isn't the biggest problem the EU is facing right now.

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That honour, of course, belongs to the euro crisis, that is by no

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means over. The measures that the 17 eurozone countries will be

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forced into taking will inevitably lead to further political, fiscal

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and economic integration, and Britain, will inevitably be,

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included from that. The trouble is this, we may opt out of parts of

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Europe, and yet what is clear is that the 17 eurozone countries are

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moving on to a deeper political union, of that there is no doubt.

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There will be meetings going on in the eurozone that make laws and

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rules that affect the single market, of which we are a member, and yet

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we are not even allowed in the room. We are becoming the Cinderella

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state, asked to do the skivvy, and not invited to the grand dinner and

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decide important things for British commerce. Not the postcard David

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Cameron is going to be sending home. There are forces on both sides of

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the channel pushing and pulling Britain away from a central role in

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the EU It is for the politicians to decide how much to assist or resist

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those forces. They call him a temporary dictator,

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the new Pharaoh, President Morsi, the west point man for democracy in

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the Arab world, no sooner had delivered a truce between Gaza and

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Israel, he brazenly issued constitutional decrees banning any

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opposition to his decisions, protests were soon to follow. Is

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this truly temporary, or is Israel sliding into another dictatorship.

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Popular fury, that we first saw in last year's uprising, repeated now

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in post revolutionary Egypt. Today offices of President Morsi's Muslim

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Brotherhood were ransacked, just as the offices of their historic enemy,

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Hosni Mubarak's party, were ransacked two years ago. Crowds in

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Cairo's Tahrir Square accused Morsi, who won a democratic election, of

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becoming the new Mubarak. One of Egypt's best-known

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politician, Nobel Peace Prize winner, Mohammed Al-Baradi, called

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him the new Pharaoh. They are enraged by his new rules, that his

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decisions can't be overruled by the courts. For many of the liberal,

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who sparked the uprising here, is proof, they believe, of a plan by

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religious forces to hijack a revolution that wasn't originally

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their's. The previously cautious Morsi, has been emboldened, perhaps,

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bit international prestige he has just won, for brokering the Gaza-

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Israel ceasefire. When he addressed a rally in Cairo today he insisted

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his powers were only temporary. TRANSLATION: I would like to see a

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genuine opposition, and strong opposition. I am the guarantor of

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that. I will protect my brothers in the opposition, all their rights so

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they can exercise their role as it should be.

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Morsi's supporters argue that the judiciaries is still full of

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Mubarak-era apppointees, even liberals approve his decree for a

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retrial of those convicted of killings in last year's uprising.

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But his bid for more power will only further polarise a society

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ever more deeply split between those for and against religious

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rule. Egypt's likely to become more unstable in the seven months that

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will now pass with no clear democratic checks and balances.

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Until a new parliament's elected under a new constitution, at the

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very earliest, next summer. With us from Cairo is a researcher

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for Human Rights Watch, and in Birmingham, is a spokesman for

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President Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood movement.

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First of all, how long do you think has President Morsi been planning

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this, it wasn't a quick decision after the Gaza truce, was it?

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don't think it is a quick decision. We all agree that when we are

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dealing with exceptional moments we need exception decisions. He

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usually tried to go straight forward. It does seem even that if

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we are able to consider everything legal, the revolution itself was

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illegal, because Mubarak was elected President. But he tried to

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achieve what he has promised his people, this is the time to do that.

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He hasn't asked to have the parliament's power, besides his

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power, this has already been given to him, but dissolution of the

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parliament. But a lot of the people criticising Morsi, they were all

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the time, over the last year trying to say he needs to take decisions,

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rather than say he's following the rules. Isn't this just unfinished

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business? No, this is a threat to the transition. Egypt has a very

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fragile democracy, it has had two sets of election, a decision like

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this, to give a President absolute power with zero oversight, he has

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given himself more power than the military had last year. At least

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with the military some of those decisions we could challenge them

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in the administrative courts. This is dangerous for Egypt's transition.

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The fact it is temporary is no guarantee of improvement. People

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have very serious concerns about the constitution right now, not in

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terms of rights and provisions, but also the broad powers given to the

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President. The promise of trust me, I will set myself above the law and

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court oversight, but trust me, I'm going to take care of things, will

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not resonate. Do you think that President Morsi is going to take

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any more temporary powers, or is this the limit of it? I don't think

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so, I think every way we look at it, most of the Egyptians agree about

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the decisions of sacking the public prosecutor, all Egyptians agree

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about having retrials of criminals that shed blood during the time of

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the revolution. If we speak about trying to protect the constitution

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and trying to protect the council, we have no, at the moment we have

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no institution at all in Egypt after dissolving the parliament.

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What's trying to say, at the moment, if we we are going to have voting

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for this institution coming, of the sort of Morsi, they can say no to

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the constitution if they don't like it. Do you take his promise at face

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value that this is a temporary measure, and when there is a

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constitution at the end of parliamentary election, and when

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indeed there is a judiciary that is more inclined towards the Muslim

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Brotherhood's point of view, he will recind these powers again?

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think the main question is what is going to happen in the next seven

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months. Why would a President set himself up beyond judicial

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oversight. Why would he include provision number six which says he

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can take all necessary measures to protect the revolution or the unity

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of the nation f it wasn't for the fact that he's planning to issue

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laws and decrees which will violate existing laws and violate

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constitutional provisions and rights. Like what? I think there

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are a lot of questions in terms of what's actually going to happen,

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for example, with the next election. Morsi, on the one hand, disables

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the role of the judiciary, yet will pass an electoral law and expect

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judges to provide oversight at the next election F he pass as law that,

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you know, remember the last one was declared unconstitutional, if he

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passes a law that is simply unconstitutional, perhaps to even

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benefit his own party, there will be no legal challenge to it, and

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yet he needs the judiciary to play this role in supervising the

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elections. This is incred below unhealthy.

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There is nothing standing in his way, is there, he can do what he

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wants? It is not about that. We have to see what he can do and has

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already done. We all know we are sorry to say that the

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constitutional court has been doing a lot of negative things, everyone

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knows about it. He has taken powers without as much as a by-your-leave,

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he has acted undemocratically? was actually the revolution a

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democratic way of doing things? He has taken the decision for the

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parliament to come back. Why did he say at the time of the revolution

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that he was going to do this, nobody had any notice of this?

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tried to say the public prosecutor has to go, and he has refused that.

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The constitutional court, as we it has been announced before, that

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actually they were planning everything in the dark with the

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military Supreme Court before. So all the Egyptians have concern

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about the constitutional court and what they are taking, and the law

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for the election that has been set at the time of the revolution was

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approved and passed by the constitutional court. Do you have

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any faith that there will be elections in the next few months?

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There was talk about next summer, the constitution was meant to be

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ready by December? Obviously the President has just extended the

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term of the constitutional by two month, that was necessary. I think

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elections will go forward, that is not the question. The protection of

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the Constitutional Assembly from any judicial challenges, is also

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equally problematic, why would a President do that, it is not within

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his right. There are checks and balances set up in the system. This

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is clearly about pushing through a vision of the system of Government

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that the ruling party, which controls the Constitutional

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Assembly, is very keen on maintaining. I would agree there

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are problems with the judiciary, and judicial independence is a huge

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problem, but you don't address problems in the judiciary by

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increasing executive interference by saying the executive would be

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above the judiciary, it is not reform and will harm Egypt.

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Review is up next, matter that is in Glasgow.

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Tonight we have got a Hollywood comedy about bipolar disorder, has

:29:55.:29:59.

been tipped for an Oscar. The big Christmas offering from the

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National Theatre, John Lithgow will be telling us more about that.

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Cross-dressing from Mark Rylance in Twelfth Night, with Stephen Fry

:30:06.:30:10.

back on stage. And Jon Hamm and Daniel Radcliffe sharing a bath.

:30:10.:30:15.

Sadly, not in the studio. Don't go away. That is just about

:30:15.:30:20.

it for tonight from Newsnight, Government code-breaker at GCHQ are

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stumped this week by a dead World War II carrier pigeon found in a

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In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Kirsty Wark. Is the Leveson press standards inquiry too elitist? Does the euro budget row change anything? Is Egyptian democracy already fading?


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