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Tonight, who do we think we are? The latest census data released | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
today paints an extraordinary picture of the people living in | :00:17. | :00:22. | |
England and Wales. Around a quarter say they have no religious faith, | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
7.5 million were born abroad, and 15% of us now rent our homes, way | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
up on ten years ago. We will be assessing what these | :00:30. | :00:32. | |
demographic changes tell us about the country we have become, and how | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
the years of austerity, immigration and homeownership patterns will | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
affect our social cohesion and tolerance of others for years to | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
come. Also tonight, as Syria's bloody | :00:43. | :00:51. | |
civil war goes on, what of the country's chemical weapons arsenal, | :00:51. | :00:57. | |
what do they have and how could they use it and what does it mean | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
to groups like Al-Qaeda. As the regime to theers the US and others | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
are thinking totters, the US and others are thinking seriously about | :01:06. | :01:12. | |
what it might take to secure those issues. | :01:12. | :01:17. | |
Quentin Blake, and much beloved by children of all ages has an | :01:17. | :01:21. | |
exhibition. His work is everywhere, and copied so many times by other | :01:21. | :01:31. | |
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people, it is part of the culture Good evening, in Roman times a | :01:35. | :01:40. | |
census had one purpose, to find out how many young men might be fit for | :01:40. | :01:47. | |
military service. Now, every ten years it is to help planners and | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
others find facts to help us with the country. Today's census results | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
show more of us are atheist and more born abroad, and more of us | :01:57. | :02:02. | |
behinding the dream of finding and owning your own home impossible to | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
achieve. We will find out more. But first, the key points. | :02:07. | :02:13. | |
This is the story of the decade. From the end of new Labour to days | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
and dates we will never forget. From winning the Olympics to | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
economic meltdown. From a national celebration, to | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
riots on the streets of our biggest cities. | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
The latest census shows, beyond any doubt, we are now in the middle of | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
an astonishing era of demographic change. Some of hour high streets | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
now look very different, unrecoginsable, even, from the same | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
streets a decade ago. That picture is being changed | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
dramatically by migration. Just one in six of the people who live here, | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
in East London, now describe themselves as white British. The | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
same trend is happening to a lesser extent, in towns and cities across | :02:56. | :03:02. | |
England and Wales. Overall, this is becoming a more | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
populate and -- populated and far more diverse country. A series of | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
regional maps map, published today, show in detail how this is | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
happening. Take religion, in 2001, more than three-quarters of the | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
population, in large swathes of England and Wales, described | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
themselves as Christian. Ten years later, that number has fallen | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
sharply, replaced largely by a rise in people who say they have no | :03:25. | :03:31. | |
religion at all, up from 15% to 25%. The most visible change, though, | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
has been in the ethnic make-up of many of our towns and cities. The | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
number decribing themselves as white fell below 90%, for the first | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
time. One in eight households is now made up of people from more | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
than one ethnic group. There are though wide regional variations. | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
The capital is the only region, where the group described as white | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
British, is now a minority, at 45%, for the first time since records | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
began. Overall, the number of foreign-born | :04:01. | :04:08. | |
citizens has increased from 4.5 million, to 7.5 million, over the | :04:08. | :04:16. | |
decade. The number of Poless have gone from 57,000 back in 2001, to | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
more than 500,000 ten years later. When we look at the overall | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
foreign-born population we see 40% are living in London, according to | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
the figures. For the Polish-born population it is only 27%. Nearly | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
three-quarters of Polish-born people in England and Wales are | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
outside of London. This means they are living in areas that have | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
experienced less migration in the past, which has significant | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
implications for the way the country has experienced migration | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
in the past decade. Then, there is the impact of | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
economic change on our society. At a time when the number of people | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
living in big cities, like London and man chest e has been rising, | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
some industrial towns in the North West have seen a sharp fall in | :04:58. | :05:04. | |
their populations. And the regional also illustrate as | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
change in our work patterns, this map shows how the number of people | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
in a part-time job has risen between 2001 and ten years later, | :05:13. | :05:19. | |
in 2011. A sharp increase in almost every part of England and Wales. | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
And there has been a big shift in where and how we live. Fewer of us | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
are matter yod than a decade ago and for the -- married than a | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
decade ago, and for the first time, more say they have a degree than | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
have no qualification. The figures show a significant rise in the | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
number of people who rent their home from a private landlord. Up | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
from 9% ten years ago to 15%. And, as you might expect, a drop in the | :05:44. | :05:54. | |
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really rapid rise in private renting, it is a really stark drop | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
in the number of people who have got mortgages. It is kind of moving | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
us back in time. To a time when, I mean there was a time when the | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
majority of the population rented privately, it is moving us back | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
over who will end up owning their own home. That, seeing the speed of | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
that change, that was the biggest shock for me this morning locking | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
at the numbers that game - -- looking at the numbers that game in. | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
The rise in part-time working and the increase in private renting s | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
more to do with the economy at the moment, than any major change in | :06:35. | :06:41. | |
the trend of society. But there are big implications in this data for | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
housing, health and social care policy. When we look back at the | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
decade, it may well be that it is required, not just for the credit | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
crunch, nor winning the Olympics, nor coalition Government. Instead, | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
it may be the time when our country became a much more diverse place to | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
live. Interesting though all this is, | :07:02. | :07:08. | |
does it actually matter. Daniel Knowles is the Britain comors pond | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
dent for the Economist, AC Grayling is master of the college of | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
humanties, and we have Germaine Greer, broadcaster and playwright, | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
one of those who is counted as born abroad, and deputy chair of the | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
British Museum. When you walked the streets of London, do you think it | :07:27. | :07:34. | |
matters that those regarded as white British are in a minority | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
will matter to them, and in the last ten years with three million | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
for moreen-born people in the UK, they will have -- foreign-born | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
people in the UK, they will notice that the Government has not said | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
what -- done what they will say they. Do we have had Government | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
after Government saying they want to limit mass immigration, we have | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
seen they have not, now it is official. Do you think, when you | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
walk the streets of London, do you actually notice, day by day, this | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
is a snapshot of a year ago and ten years ago, do you think day by day | :08:07. | :08:15. | |
that people notice that white Britains are in a minority? London | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
-- London is the least interesting, London has had the least change in | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
terms of minority growth. Where it is interesting is outside of London, | :08:22. | :08:30. | |
it is on the outskirts of London. Inner London was at 35% non-chiet | :08:30. | :08:40. | |
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and, sor -- non-white, sorry, for foreign born. There are other parts | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
of the country that have doubled and tripled. If that is the case | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
and it is in different places all over the country, does it matter | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
that it makes us a more tolerant country because we resent it or | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
more tolerant because we mix with people? I think we have become a | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
more tolerant country. Ten years ago we had a problem that minority | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
groups in this country were very much concentrated heavily in London, | :09:03. | :09:09. | |
and a few other industrial cities, and other places. But, they are now | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
much more spread out. So there are far fewer white British people who | :09:14. | :09:19. | |
have, you know, who don't have any experience at all of people from a | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
different background. You can see that in the huge rise in the number | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
of people from a mixed ethnicity background. There is now a million. | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
It is 1.2 million, it has doubled in ten years. What is your take, | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
does it matter, do you think people day by day notice it, they notice | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
it now because we are talking about the census? I live in the West End, | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
not far from this studio, I can see exactly what the demographic is | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
talking about. People are living their lives, I don't think it | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
matters to anybody at all. It is interesting to have it brought up. | :09:51. | :09:53. | |
But if you are talking about where I live, which is around Oxford | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
Street, no, that is the way it look. London's a port, it is always an | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
entry for people. As was suggested, it is spreading out throughout the | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
country s is the best of the country looking forward to that | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
kind of future, for good or ill? wonder if people think about their | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
future in the day-to-day. This is the reality of life, this is what | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
it is, and I think that is how people are living. | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
What do you make of that change for the culture of the country, as a | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
whole, do you think there is a down side to it, or do you think it is | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
all positive in a sense that we may become more tolerant? On the whole | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
it is a very positive thing. To be celebrated. What we have now is | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
even greater, consciousness of the diversity of the world of which we | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
are an important part. This is globalisation coming to roost at | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
home, in a way. And a very good thing it is too. I think what is | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
rather strike striking about it, because London has always been a | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
great centre for all sorts of people, all sorts of foods, all | :10:54. | :11:01. | |
sorts of cultural traditions, music, the arts. That has made it possible | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
for people elsewhere in the down think much more positively about | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
the possibilities for themselves. Having the role of being a host | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
community for immigrants. The role of being a host community for | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
immigrants, apart from the resentment, that you put your | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
finger on, that people don't like it, is there a down side, is there | :11:21. | :11:27. | |
something to point to, to say that it has made life worse? There is a | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
down side for many people in this country who don't live in the West | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
End minutes from the studio, or who share AC Grayling's feelings, they | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
look at the country and look at it change immensely. I'm asking if | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
there is anything you can put your finger on beyond of the fact that | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
people resent it, people resent lots of things, is there something | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
you can put your finger on and say it has changed for the worst? | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
it has changed it, people have a better reason not to believe | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
politicians of any main party after this decade. That is the point I | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
wanted to make about resentment. The second thing, it is also | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
important to remember that, you know, live in London as well, | :12:04. | :12:09. | |
London, we're used to what the census today has shown us, and by | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
and large we tend to be happy with it. It is not about whether I or | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
any of you feel happy about this, but among other things what it has | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
done to our country. One thing that really needs to be cussed on, is we | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
need to -- focused on, is we need to look at the down side, in | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
apartheid of unemployment and recession, foreign-born workers | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
coming into Britain and taking jobs. Of course in many cases they are | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
either highly-skilled people or people willing to perform jobs | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
which people here are not willing to perform. These are people doing | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
very important work. But, what happens when you import a working- | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
class, the working-class become an underclass. | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
But the problem is, that for policy maker, and politicians, and I'm | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
calling the Obama-effect, people are not aware of the big change | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
that is going on. They are not making policy that's reflecting the | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
change in this country. This is all of the parties. They don't, and | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
broadcasting as well, they don't reflect the way the country is. | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
That affects the people, as you were saying, those people, not able | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
to see the reality, of the way the country is changing. It cannot be | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
stopped. So the question is, how is it going to be managed, and what | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
kind of spirit is it going to be managed. That is the problem. | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
you have been crunching the numbers today, the question of part-time | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
working, and that has changed, that pattern has changed. And also the | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
question of housing, the fact that many more of us now rent, does | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
suggest that period of flux, that the past ten years have been a real | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
sense of flux for many people, particularly in their 20s and 30s? | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
Especially the last five years. You can see, we have reached a point | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
now where nobody can really buy a house, in London, certainly unless | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
they have help. The average age of unassisted first time buyer is | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
going up and up and up. You have London boroughs where the average | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
house prices is ten-times the average salary. So, yeah, that is | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
kind of inevitable. I think that does go with the part-time. I think | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
some of the part-time rises is probably due to more women going to | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
work, which is probably a good thing. Some of it in the last few | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
years insecurity. Does that insecurity make a more less rooted | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
society, in a sense we don't feel the sense of aspiration, that | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
people feel, that you can buy a house, this is something you can do. | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
That may have gone and you may not get a full-time job either? I think | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
property prices do constitute a serious problem for just that | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
reason. Putting what is for our last generation, a major asset, | :14:40. | :14:46. | |
right out of the reach of people who are struggling any way. It is a | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
surprising thing to have happened in a way and needs a major | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
readjustment, especially in London. This has to be addressed, I suppose, | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
in part people are trying to address it by building more | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
affordable house anything the inner city areas and brownfield sites and | :15:02. | :15:08. | |
the like. That is not happening enough. If that changes your | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
aspirations, in other words it was always something people had in | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
their minds, if you work hard you can own your own home, that is a | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
good thing, that has changed? an Anglo-Saxon idea, it is how | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
Americans and the British see wealth and stability, in France and | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
other places, there is not that much emphasis over bricks and | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
mortar. In Germany more people rent than is considered normal? | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
shift has a lot to do with the people coming in. We don't build in | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
this country. I don't have any opinion on it one or the other, but | :15:37. | :15:43. | |
we don't build. Is that the end of the Margaret Thatcher's dream of | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
the property-owning democracy, where everybody can aspire to it, | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
do you think people of your generation aspire to it or don't | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
care? Everyone wants to own their own house, nobody can afford to in | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
my generation, without having rich parents, which most of us don't | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
have. I mean this is a baby-boomer thing, I don't know if the two of | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
you probably do count as baby- boomers. But the baby-boomers had a | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
great advantage, they had great luck with property, it made the | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
generation rich. But my generation has suffered for that, and unless | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
you can tap into your parents on that, there is no way you can | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
afford a property. Partly the boomers have outlived the security | :16:18. | :16:24. | |
net. The security net of only meant for people to be living to 65-70, | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
we will live a lot longer than that. On a profound level, we are in a | :16:29. | :16:31. | |
post-Christian society, right now, it is going to take a long time for | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
that to come home to people. But we are. And some of that has to do | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
with the newcomers, but also it is going to change our own perceptions | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
of the idea of home owning and all of these other strictures we have | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
had. This post-Christian society, looking at the number, still a lot | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
of people identify they are Christians. And many of the new | :16:53. | :16:59. | |
immigrants identify as Christians, Pole s? The few people who have | :16:59. | :17:04. | |
seen an increase in Briggss Boston, Lambeth which, has had a lot of | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
black African Christians move in. And I kind of think that just | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
asking how you identify as Christian doesn't really show who | :17:12. | :17:18. | |
is really Christian. There is an awful lot of people who went to a | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
Church of England School that ticked Christian ten years ago and | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
now don't. Even that has changed, people who self-identified as | :17:25. | :17:31. | |
Christians and never went to church don't do that? It is certainly true. | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
I'm not entirely sure, it seems less important to us. Does that | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
matter? If this is a nation with an established church, where the | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
church itself is part of the body politic itself, part of the clash | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
that is happening now is that's being questioned. If you go to | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
churches, you will see mostly, the majority of the congregation are | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
older people, it doesn't mean that people don't live according to | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
certain precepts, but they don't live as say the way my parents | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
lived, or the way my mother lives. It is a different idea about our | :18:01. | :18:11. | |
spiritual life, if we have one. Does it matter, now a quarter of | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
people say they are not involved with religion, you think that is a | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
good thing? It has gone up to 25%, one in four people you meet is a | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
person not looking at the world through a particular pair of | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
spectacles. It is a much more interesting figure than the just | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
under 60% who now say they are Christian. The majority of whom | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
probably have ticked that box for cultural identity reasons rather | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
than any great commitment to dock trainal matters. Does that mean an | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
even greater distance from being a cultural Christian? Yes, but I | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
think it means that there is a greater openness and acceptance of | :18:43. | :18:49. | |
the fact that there are other ways of thinking about the world. That | :18:49. | :18:58. | |
you don't identify, for example, your local bishop as "the" moral | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
authority in your community. It means people have individual | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
responsibility for thinking about how they get on with others. Does | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
it make you act any differently? does, if you are thinking about | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
your relationships with others in your community, and there are two | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
things here, firstly, the recognition of the fact that it is | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
your responsibility to think about those things. And secondly, that | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
there is more demand on you to think about the diversity of the | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
people around you. Both of them are very positive. People who rise to | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
the challenge are going to be better citizens as a result. | :19:26. | :19:34. | |
Do you buy that? Not wholly. Among other reasons why this upsurge of | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
people declaring themselves to be atheist, there is a greater | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
visibility in society now, of people who promote an atheist world | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
view, and have had great success and publicity for that. More xom | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
people are uncomfortable saying they don't believe, where a | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
generation, a lot of people would have remained quiet about that. As | :19:52. | :19:59. | |
for the impact, one thing that makes me nervous about celebrating | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
this, it comes back to culture identity. If we are going to have | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
any coherence ahead, we need a core identity. Now, we might disagree | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
what the nature of that is, it was, and maybe still is, that we're | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
centered on a judeo-Christian world view, even if you don't believe. | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
That is an identity. The question I would have, if these 25% people who | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
say they are atheist and non- believers, in the huge summers | :20:26. | :20:33. | |
board of identities they have in Britain, what are - smorgasbord of | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
people of identities, in Britain what are they? There is always this | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
thing of a British identity. That is interesting to me. One of the | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
geniuses of being British is there isn't this sort of rock solid | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
definition of identity, that an American has, which is built by the | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
first and second...There Was an identity. There is an identity, but | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
not the kind of identity I have experienced, or the identity a | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
French person would experience. The brilliance of this nation is | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
actually, people who come in are absorbed in this thing called the | :21:05. | :21:08. | |
British identity. Sometimes it take as long time, sometimes it is | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
violent, it will take centuries. The good thing that is happening is | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
we are forging a new kind of identity, it is an identity of | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
inclusion and acceptance of pluralism, it doesn't mean you have | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
to have so much conformity and convention. This greater | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
peculiarity of opportunities that people have to be human in their | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
own way, is a very welcome thing. Absolutely I agree with that. The | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
reason why this peculiarity is possible is, in part, because of | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
our history, in part because having an accepting culture. What happens | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
when everyone can pursue whatever they want, except the main core of | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
that culture disappears. We will find out in ten years time, let's | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
leave it there. For months we have been told that | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
Syria isn't Libya, not a country where western powers should even | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
think of intervening in an internal conflict sparked by the Arab Spring. | :21:58. | :22:03. | |
In the past week or so, NATO countries have become increasingly | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
worried about the chemical weapons stocks possessed by the Assad | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
regime, and at least two nightmarish possiblities. One that | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
Assad's forces might use them against the rebels in Syria, and | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
two, the rebel forces, those associated with Hezbollah or Al- | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
Qaeda, might get their hands on nerve gas or other toxins. We are | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
here to talk through what is happening on the ground and wait it | :22:25. | :22:32. | |
is seen by NATO. The subject of escalation has been | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
high on everyone's agenda, particularly last week, in a run up | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
to NATO meeting, that the Americans claimed that Syrian chemical | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
weapons were being readied for use. Now it is known that the Syrian | :22:43. | :22:49. | |
Government keeps nerve gas, as well as older agents like mustard gas | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
and cyanide, at several main depots, as well as up to 20 smaller | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
ammunitions sites. The recent scare was apparently caused by activity | :22:58. | :23:06. | |
at Al Furqlus, not far from Homs. It has been reported that air | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
dropped bombs were being filled with chemical agents there. Today, | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
though, the Americans sought to calm speculation that those bombs | :23:13. | :23:20. | |
might be used imminently. At this point, the intelligence is | :23:20. | :23:27. | |
really kind of levelling off. We haven't seen anything new | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
indicating any aggressive steps to move forward in that way. But we | :23:31. | :23:36. | |
continue to monitor it very closely, and we continue to make clear to | :23:36. | :23:44. | |
them that they should, under any means, make use of these chemical | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
weapons against their own population. | :23:46. | :23:52. | |
As well as those bomb, Syria has chemical warheads for scud | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
ballistic missiles. Experts remain uncertain, though, about the size | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
and breath of the total stockpile. I would be more concerned by the | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
biological weaponry we know is there. Something like anthrax is | :24:06. | :24:15. | |
very easy to hide and move around. Senses are not available to detect | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
it, you have to find it and work out what it is. I would be | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
concerned on the biological side more than the chemical. But the | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
risk that some of these stockpiles could fall into rebel hapbtdz, or | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
those of militant -- hands, or those of militant groups, could be | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
higher than that of the Assad regime using them. There has been | :24:32. | :24:38. | |
no real evidence that Syria's army has been issued gas masks or | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
protective clothing. Using them anywhere near their own army, could | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
therefore kill far more of them than the insurgents. Meanwhile, | :24:45. | :24:53. | |
there are reports of certain key bases being overrun. Ramusso, near | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
Aleppo, was rumoured to be home for chemical weapons, but it would | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
appear the rebels haven't found any there. There have been unconfirmed | :25:02. | :25:09. | |
reports in the past few days, that militants from the Al Mussa front, | :25:09. | :25:15. | |
they are, say the Pentagon, a branch of Al-Qaeda, breaching the | :25:15. | :25:21. | |
security base south of Aleppo. If confirmed, that is big news. The | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
complex, seen by satellite, is one of the most important weapons | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
facilities in Syria. It has a large chemical manufacturing plant, a | :25:29. | :25:34. | |
warhead storage area, and a missile base, complete with tunnels for | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
scud launchers. Any breach at this plant, could be one more sign that | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
the regime may finally be tottering. There has been a lot of attention | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
too on Damascus, and the increasingly bitter fight for the | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
suburbs. Anti-Assad forces already control much of the east, as well | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
as the neighbourhoods of those around. The regime has its | :25:58. | :26:05. | |
strongholds in the centre, and the appropriately named AL-Assad | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
district to the north. Their problem is getting through to the | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
International Airport, that requires them to travel to the east, | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
and in recent days, the rebels have been focusing attacks on that | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
airport, leading to many cancelled flights. An increased feeling of | :26:20. | :26:25. | |
isolation felt by many loyalists. So, many have predicted that the | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
regime was about to collapse during the past 20 months, it is unwise | :26:30. | :26:37. | |
now to rush to that judgment. But it is clear that the patches of | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
land that the Assad security forces control are steadily shrinking. And | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
further humiliations, the loss of key towns and bases, are probably | :26:46. | :26:52. | |
imminent. The death toll, already 40,000, could rise again steeply if | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
regime supporters feel their facing a last stand. | :26:55. | :27:01. | |
As to what NATO, or the US might do about that, that's another story. | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
President Obama has moved away, just a little, from his staunchly | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
non-interventionist, pre-election stance. He has approved the sending | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
of patriot missile batteries to turkey, to defend against air or -- | :27:15. | :27:22. | |
Turkey, to defend against air or missile attack. He has upgraded | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
communication with the rebels. But securing those unconventional | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
weapons stocks and plans for that finds few backers in Washington. | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
The discussion of 70,000 troops coming out of the states I wouldn't | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
say is an underestimate. First of all you need to secure the area | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
completely. You then need to do detailed monitoring to see if any | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
of the weaponry has been damaged and released. Then you need to | :27:44. | :27:49. | |
actually go in and secure the weaponry theself. If it is | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
unopposed, it will be slightly more straight forward, especially if the | :27:54. | :28:00. | |
weaponry is in good condition. If it is opposed, hugely challenging. | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
Advance parties of Special Forces have been deployed to Turkey and | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
Jordan, where they might lead missions to secure the special | :28:08. | :28:14. | |
weapons stockpiles. Even then, the chance of some nerve agents or | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
biological weapons falling into the hands of terrorists could be high. | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
That possible link between extremist groups and WMD, was | :28:23. | :28:30. | |
exactly what Tony Blair argued when he was acting to forestall it in | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
2003. It's a bitter irony of the Iraq experience. That the last | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
thing America wants to do now is implement its plans to go into | :28:40. | :28:47. | |
Syria to stop just that happening. Yaser Tabbara is in Marrakach for | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
an International Conference on Syria tomorrow, and is spokesman | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
for the new umbrella opposition group, the Syrian National | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
Coalition, and we have a former British ambassador to Syria. Mr | :28:59. | :29:05. | |
Tabbara, first, how worried are you, that Assad may get so desperate, he | :29:05. | :29:11. | |
may use these chemical weapons against the opposition? Well, Assad | :29:11. | :29:17. | |
has demonstrated several times that he's a mad man, that he is doing | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
this as an existentialist battle. He has said many times in the past | :29:21. | :29:30. | |
that he will die in Syria. We are afraid that he might resort to that. | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
We're trying to prepare ourselves, as much as possible, to prevent | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
that from happening. Mr Sindall, do you agree with that, | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
that desperate people do desperate things, he has killed a lot of | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
civilians and he may use these things? I'm not sure he will. This | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
whole issue of the chemical stockpile in Syria has as much to | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
do with the further demonisation of the undesirability of the regime, | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
on the one hand, or people now with this talk that it might, these | :30:01. | :30:06. | |
might fall into the hands of other undesirable groups, those who have | :30:07. | :30:12. | |
an agenda, are most encouraging military intervention of some sort | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
or another. I don't discount the risk at all, I'm not that niave, | :30:17. | :30:25. | |
there is an agenda of political motivation to this argument. Is it | :30:25. | :30:30. | |
like Iraq, but he has definitely got the chemical weapons? | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
argument of chemical weapons is a potent argument to use in the | :30:33. | :30:37. | |
debate about what to do with the Syrian regime. It is more about us? | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
It is as much about that. It simply brings you back to this issue, | :30:41. | :30:47. | |
fundamentally, are we seeking to bring about the end of the Assad | :30:47. | :30:52. | |
regime by military means, by some way or another encouraging the | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
opposition militarily, or by political means. In Geneva, the | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
Russians and Americans, were talking about political | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
possiblities, but at the same time, if we're talking to the Syrian | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
opposition, and our friend Mr Tabbara, about the Syrian National | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
Coalition, we would really need to know to what extent do they have | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
any control over military groups in Syria, and over people like all | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
quad dark the people who we are being told might get hold of these | :31:20. | :31:24. | |
weapons. On that point, Mr Tabbara, what you do you make of the | :31:24. | :31:33. | |
possibility that all nurse ra, or people associated and -- Al-Nursra, | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
or Al-Qaeda, might get a hold of these weapons because of the chaos | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
in the country. We have been calling on the international | :31:39. | :31:45. | |
community for months and months, to invest in a serious way, and arm | :31:45. | :31:50. | |
the opposition to create a chain of command that answer to a political | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
umbrella group. The fact that the international community has chosen | :31:53. | :31:58. | |
not to intervene directly, and not to implement a no-fly zone is | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
putting them in the position of putting us in the primary position | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
to actually have to deal with this issue on our own, and bring about | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
the fall of Assad on our own. Having said that, a couple of days | :32:11. | :32:16. | |
ago, there was the announcement of the establishment of the higher | :32:16. | :32:21. | |
Military Council that will come under the political umbrella. | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
presumably you accept that all that takes time, meanwhile on the ground | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
things are changing day by day, some of these Jihadist groups are | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
doing a lot of the fighting, and they would love, presumably, to get | :32:33. | :32:39. | |
their hand on some of these weapons? Let me address that, | :32:39. | :32:49. | |
:32:49. | :32:50. | ||
however, first of all, extremism is as much of a problem as it is the | :32:50. | :32:52. | |
international communities and the Syrian people. This is something we | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
realise we really need to deal with. Now, once we get to the point where | :32:56. | :33:03. | |
we could topple the regime, we will put through the mechanisms that we | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
are building right now in putting together the Military Council, and | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
establishing the chain of command, to be able to try to control these | :33:10. | :33:15. | |
extremists as much as possible. might be too late? Culturally | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
speaking there is a main treem. might be too late? -- Mainstream. | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
It might be too late? No there is a general understanding in the | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
fighters on the ground, the overwhelming majority of the groups | :33:26. | :33:32. | |
that join the Military Council, espouse a moderate rhetoric, | :33:32. | :33:37. | |
espouse moderate principle, they have repeatedly isolated the | :33:37. | :33:43. | |
extremists, and marginalised extremists day in day out. Let me | :33:43. | :33:48. | |
bring in Mr Sindall on that, I want to be clear in my own mind, whether | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
you think the specter of these weapons, falling into the hand of | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
some these groups, that can't be discounted, whether you think it is | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
a bit of a scare story, frankly, to prepare the public for the | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
possibility that politicians are one side of the Atlantic or the | :34:01. | :34:06. | |
other, and want to use military force? I think with this quite | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
legitimate concern being built, we have a situation in which | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
intervention may be ceepg up on us a bit, whether we want -- creeping | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
up on us a bit, whether we want it or not. We are talking in parallel, | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
with the Russians and the Americans, about looking for a political | :34:21. | :34:27. | |
solution. Because the alternative, which our friend, Mr Tabbara has | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
just told us, his predecessors and his council have had as one of the | :34:31. | :34:37. | |
planks of their activity, a call, a desire for military intervention | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
from the west. Their's is a military solution in the first | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
place. That is how they think, as I understand Mr Tabbara, will topple | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
the regime. Then they will think they will put the civil structure | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
in place. The question seems to me, if that is the road down which we | :34:53. | :35:02. | |
are going, all these other creeping issues are very potent and bring us | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
into a completely different set of scenario, I wonder if we have to | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
start thinking about the unthinkable, rather more, of some | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
kind of political dialogue, involving the Assad regime, before | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
you get to the nightmare alternatives. | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
Thank you very much. At this time of year you can't open | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
a greetings card or enter a bookshop without coming across the | :35:23. | :35:28. | |
drawings of Quentin Blake. He's best known for collaborating with | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
Roald Dahl, on darkly comic books loved by generations of children. | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
Blake is 80 this week, he continues to draw every day, and has a show | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
of new work opening tomorrow in London. Perhaps you would not | :35:39. | :35:45. | |
expect to encounter priests being hanged, among Blake's work, or | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
monkeys biting naked women on the back side. That is what Steve Smith | :35:49. | :35:59. | |
found when he went to meet him! You sit down at the page, with a | :35:59. | :36:06. | |
You sit down at the page, with a pencil, and you start drawing. You | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
start round the face somewhere, and you sort of find out who those | :36:09. | :36:15. | |
people are, as you are drawing them. You don't look at somebody climbing | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
You don't look at somebody climbing a ladder to see what it is like. | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
You kind of imagine what that must be like, you know what I mean. And | :36:23. | :36:28. | |
so you feel the gestures, on yourself, in a funny sort of way. | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
And also you make the expressions of the people looking at each other | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
in the pictures. You don't make the expressions into a mirror, do you? | :36:36. | :36:44. | |
No, no, you make them from inside. Quentin Blake is the man who drew | :36:44. | :36:51. | |
childhood. His illustrations have seen several generations of | :36:51. | :36:57. | |
youngsters through their formative years. His work means children's | :36:57. | :37:03. | |
books, some how. And so, on if you haven't really studied it, or you | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
don't really take notice of who illustrators are, you do know his | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
work, it is everywhere, it has been copied so many times by so many | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
different people, it is now just part of the culture. | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
He's probably best known for his collaboration with the dark genius | :37:19. | :37:25. | |
Roald Dahl. They were the good cop, bad cop, of | :37:25. | :37:31. | |
the children's section. We were very opposite, in many ways. | :37:31. | :37:39. | |
We liked humour and exaggeration, you know, so there was a whole area | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
where we obviously corresponded, where the books were happening, a | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
lot of our views about life would be completely opposite. He would be | :37:47. | :37:53. | |
much more confrontational than I would. At the same time, I remember | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
somebody saying, when I was small I thought the words and pictures were | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
by the same person. I could see why that would be the case, actually | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
the memory of the books would be of your illustrations, perhaps, at | :38:06. | :38:11. | |
least as much as his words, if not more so? He was very generous about | :38:11. | :38:19. | |
that, and said when people talk about the BFG, what they see is | :38:19. | :38:26. | |
what Quein drew. You try to play the notes -- Queint drew. You try | :38:26. | :38:32. | |
to play the notes accurately. first book I wrote was The Boy In | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
The Dress, I met up with Quentin Blake and he showed me the idea he | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
had for the cover, I cried, I couldn't believe a character I | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
created he illustrated. He illustrated so many of the books I | :38:44. | :38:49. | |
loved growing up. The magic to his work is that, it doesn't tell you | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
exactly what the person looks like, it allows you to add your | :38:53. | :38:59. | |
imagination to it. But is it only beamish boys and | :38:59. | :39:06. | |
girls who spring from the ink- splattered desk of Quentin Blake. | :39:06. | :39:13. | |
Some people like me may wonder if you have a secret cachet of dark | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
Gothic drawings that you do when you go to bed and eat too much | :39:17. | :39:27. | |
:39:27. | :39:27. | ||
cheese! I mean, no, there isn't a huge archive of Gothic horror, at | :39:27. | :39:32. | |
all. I don't like that sort of thing much. | :39:32. | :39:38. | |
Despite that, Blake said he enjoyed illustrating an edition of | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
Voltaire's dark satire, Condide. is nice to have the opportunity, | :39:43. | :39:48. | |
which you don't get in children's books so much, of people being hung, | :39:48. | :39:54. | |
and garotteed and all that. Bitten on the bum by monk keys? That sort | :39:54. | :40:02. | |
of thing, yeah. When it was illustrated when this | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
came out was illustrated by formal drawings. What I likeded about it, | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
I have that sort of element of caricature in it, which I think he | :40:09. | :40:19. | |
:40:19. | :40:21. | ||
has got. Blake, who turns 80 at the weekend, | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
has a retrospective book out. This show, opening in central London | :40:25. | :40:32. | |
tomorrow. It includes such apparently un- | :40:32. | :40:38. | |
Blake-like pieces as this series, Girls and Dogs. I don't know what | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
they were about. They have this ruined landscape, the dogs when I | :40:42. | :40:48. | |
was drawing them got very big. It looks, in a way, quite threatening. | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
Almost wolfish! But interested in whatever she has done. The colour | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
chart as well. It is not only the walls of gall | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
rows that can boast of Blake, they are also turning up in hospitals | :40:59. | :41:06. | |
and medical centres too. Blake began by cheering up some -- | :41:06. | :41:11. | |
galleries that can boast of Blake. They are also turning up in | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
hospitals and medical centres. Blake began by cheering up some | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
elderly patients. I did some for children, which is using the kind | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
of techniques I had used in children's book. Then I also did | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
some for adults, and I did these sort of pictures of people swimming | :41:27. | :41:32. | |
about underwater, fully clothed, amongst fish and little crocodiles | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
and things. That was one of the pictures that seemed to attract | :41:35. | :41:40. | |
their attention, in a way. It is normal people in rather strange | :41:40. | :41:49. | |
situations, in a sense, I have gone back to the idea of paintings in | :41:49. | :41:54. | |
the 15th century chapel or Muriel paintings that sort of things. | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
There was that great painting of a crucifixion, he takes a different | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
line of it to me, less cheery. His line is, you know, you are lucky | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
compared with this. You were the first children's | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
laureate, and your work is very much associated with young people. | :42:13. | :42:19. | |
What do you think is their lot, their status in 2012? They are so | :42:19. | :42:26. | |
aware of everything that is happening. So that they start to | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
take on a kind of psychological responsibility for what is | :42:31. | :42:37. | |
happening in the world. That must be distressing, I think. Even if | :42:37. | :42:45. | |
they are not aware of it. By the way, I hate to spoil a | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
Christmas surprise, but when you open your cards and books this year, | :42:49. | :42:57. | |
look out for his nibs! Wonderful stuff. We began tonight's programme | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
by discussing who are we as a nation, we want to end with some | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
thoughts about where we might be going. What difference would it | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
make if Britain are were to leave the European Union. We will devote | :43:06. | :43:12. | |
Newsnight tomorrow to discussing the consequences, the good, the bad, | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
the ugly. The Prime Minister has been discussing with his inner | :43:16. | :43:22. | |
circle the contents of Cameron's Big Speech, expected on the EU. How | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
is the speech writing going? don't know. It was the most | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
documented speech writing process recently the reason why it is so | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
important, is it could end up framing the next two-and-a-half | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
years, and part of the general election. What Cameron has to do is | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
hold off some of the unhappiness in his own party, which means he has | :43:40. | :43:44. | |
already lost votes in parliament over Europe. Also the rising | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
discontent within the country over Europe. One of his chief rival, the | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
person who keeps nipping at his heels over Europe, for our | :43:51. | :43:53. | |
programme tomorrow, Boris Johnson was interviewed by Jeremy today. | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
This is what he had to say on what he as worried about, which is | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
indecision over Europe harming British interests and business. | :44:02. | :44:07. | |
think business would welcome clarity. We have been on this now | :44:07. | :44:13. | |
for so long, and we haven't had a referendum since 1975. It is | :44:13. | :44:18. | |
perfectly obvious that the Europe question has got to be put to the | :44:18. | :44:23. | |
British people. I think the formula I have come up with. What is the | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
Europe question? Do you want to be in it or not. That is not what he | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
thinks the question is. Elsewhere in the interview he goes on to say | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
he does believe something closer to the Prime Minister's position, not | :44:34. | :44:39. | |
do you want to be in it or not, but we will renegotiate, and we will | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
put to you a renegotiated package or out. That is very similar to | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
what we imagine David Cameron will come forward. That is why when you | :44:46. | :44:48. | |
say how do you think the speech writing is going, when David | :44:48. | :44:53. | |
Cameron sees the interview he will breathe a bit of a sigh of relief, | :44:53. | :45:00. | |
that Boris Johnson has not decided to be as the big capital "O" out of | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
Europe. Do we know how Boris Johnson would vote on in or out? | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
What is interesting about the interview, for the first time in a | :45:07. | :45:10. | |
few weeks, he is clear to go for the renegotiated position. He does | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
not think it would be good for Britain to be out of Europe in a | :45:14. | :45:19. | |
complete clean sweep. That is more clarity than we have had in a while. | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
Thank you very much. Jeremy is here tomorrow, speaking of great fashion | :45:23. | :45:30. | |
icons, the former head of the National Union of Miners, Arthur | :45:30. | :45:37. | |
Scargill, seems to have inspired a range of menswear. The designs will | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
be produced commercially for the clothes chain Burton. Let's not | :45:41. | :45:47. | |
forget where it started. # Fashion put it on me | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
# I'm what you want me to be # Fashion | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
# Don't you wanna see the clothes on me | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
# Fashion # I'm what you withstand me to be | :45:59. | :46:02. | |
# Fashion, don't you want to see the clothes on me | :46:02. | :46:12. | |
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# Put it on me Hello there, it is very cold and | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
frosty out there already. Some icey patches, certainly fog around, | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
particularly in the Midlands, parts of Wales, southern England, East | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
Anglia, a patches in northern England. Most lifting, a little bit | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
of sunshine coming through. A cold day, temperatures are struggling to | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
get much above freezing, it could stay rather grey and murky all day | :46:34. | :46:37. | |
through parts of the Midlands through the home counties too. A | :46:37. | :46:46. | |
much fogier start in the south-east of England than it was 24 hours ago. | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
The south west will be less -- south west will be less foggy, and | :46:51. | :46:54. | |
sunshine in the afternoon. East Wales is struggling with the fog, | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
west of Wales sunshine. Clouding over in Northern Ireland after a | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
frosty start. A few spots of rain in the afternoon, making it feel | :47:01. | :47:06. | |
quite cold. For Scotland it will be generally dry, icey patches in the | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
south west and along the northern coast. Most places dry, cold and | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
frosty with sunshine. A similar sort of story on Thursday, can you | :47:12. | :47:16. | |
see how the temperatures, not really rising at all, on the city | :47:16. | :47:21. | |
forecast, and further south as well. Staying cold on Wednesday and | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
Thursday. Not as much fog around on Thursday, most of it will be around | :47:24. | :47:28. |