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Mistreatment, misdiagnosis, and management failings may have led to | :00:12. | :00:17. | |
as many as a thousand needless deaths at Stafford General Hospital. | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
How did it happen, and how do we make sure it doesn't happen again. | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
We both believed that hospitals were safe, we didn't know anything | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
else. As soon as we got in the hospital we knew that something was | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
terribly wrong. This is the hospital that's been under the | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
spotlight, but the questions are now much wider. How can patient | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
safety best be protected in the NHS? | :00:41. | :00:46. | |
I speak to one woman whose mother died there, she met the Prime | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
Minister tonight. The lie that destroyed Chris Huhne, | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
what a difference a year makes. innocent of these charges and I | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
intend to fight this in the courts, I'm confident a jury will agree. | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
I have pleaded guiltied today. Until very recent days, still | :01:02. | :01:07. | |
talked about as a possible future Deputy Prime Minister, today Chris | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
Huhne faces the possibility of prison. | :01:11. | :01:17. | |
He was Shakespeare's number one villain. Now is the winter of our | :01:17. | :01:23. | |
discontent, made glorious summer by this son of York. Richard III, | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
exhumed and now identified, should he be rehabilitated. I will ask the | :01:27. | :01:37. | |
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direct to Richard Eyre, and Tudor historian, Suzannah Lipscomb. | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
Good evening, the devastating events at Stafford General Hospital, | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
which may have contributed to the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
patients in the hospital's care, between 2005-2009, reveals | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
something rotten in the NHS. The public inquiry into the NHS | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
foundation Trust will report on Wednesday. It is likely to have | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
far-reaching implications for the management and nursing in the NHS, | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
in relation to candour, transparency, training and | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
responsibility. Ahead of the report, the Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
blamed a culture of targets and performance management, which | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
defined the NHS under Labour. Why of the culture so especially bad at | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
Stafford General Hospital, who will accept responsibility, and could | :02:21. | :02:31. | |
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anything like it ever happen again? The stories from Stafford Hospital | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
have proved shocking. Described as horrific and haunting for patients | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
and their families. Hundreds are alleged to have died needlessly, | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
through lack of care and fundamental deficiencies. There | :02:47. | :02:55. | |
have already been a string of investigations. Robert Francis QC | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
led a public inquiry back in 2010, his full inquiry reports back this | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
week. In his first report he described his shock at hearing | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
about suffering to patients, that included being left in unwashed | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
sheets, unable to reach food and drink, or without adequate pain | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
relief. He said it was failure on a scale that cannot be adequately | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
expressed in statistics. Julie Bailey's 86-year-old mother, | :03:21. | :03:27. | |
Bella, was admitted to Stafford Hospital in 2007, for what should | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
have been a routine hernia operation. We believed that she was | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
going into somewhere safe. We both believed that hospitals were safe, | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
we didn't know anything else. As soon as we got in the hospital we | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
knew that something was terribly wrong. It was just really out of | :03:42. | :03:48. | |
control. Just going on to the wards, there was just screaming and | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
shouting. She says she saw chaos on the wards, and decided she was not | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
going to leave her mother there alone. So she and other members of | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
the family stayed, 24-hours a day, for eight week, to care for Bella | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
themselves. They used to tell us off, and there was no clean sheets | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
to change the bed with. There was another woman that had fallen | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
opposite, there was just blood everywhere. They had to go and pick | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
patients off the floor and try to patch them up, and then hunt for | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
staff. It wouldn't have marred some days, because the staff, I would | :04:20. | :04:26. | |
say 60% of them shouldn't have been on the wards. They weren't nursing. | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
A succession of Labour health secretaries was encouraging NHS | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
managers to seek Foundation Trust status for hospitals, with emphasis | :04:34. | :04:41. | |
on targets to bring down waiting times and tighter financial control. | :04:41. | :04:47. | |
In 2009 one regulator did attempt to find out what was going on at | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
Mid Staffs. Dr Heather Wood was sent in by the Healthcare | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
Commission, because mortality rates appeared to be higher than expected. | :04:55. | :05:01. | |
What does she think went wrong at Stafford? A struggle Trust, | :05:01. | :05:09. | |
completely lost its way, had the wrong priorities, and pursued | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
Foundation Trust status, really at the expense of its core business of | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
looking after patients safely. Relatives of patients say it was | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
not just lack of care, but a lack of openness when things went wrong, | :05:22. | :05:29. | |
that let people down. Frank and Janet Robinson's 20-year- | :05:29. | :05:36. | |
old son, John, was injured in an accident on his mountain bike in | :05:36. | :05:42. | |
2006, he was taken 0 Stafford A&E Department, but was discharged and | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
told he had bruised ribs. couldn't walk out, he was pushed | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
out in a wheelchair and given a container to be sick in. They had | :05:52. | :05:58. | |
to ask for painkillers because he was still in a lot of pain. John | :05:58. | :06:04. | |
died a few hours later with a ruptured spleen, his parents blame | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
the hospital for not identifying the injury. In 2006 a report | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
prepared by an A&E consultant in at the hospital, not present on the | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
day of the accident, concluded that John's unfortunate and untimely | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
death may have been avoided had he been more proper low assessed. | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
had an accident, and we appreciate he had an accident and was badly | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
injured. Had John have died as a result of that accident it would | :06:28. | :06:33. | |
have been hard to accept, but you accept them sort of things. John | :06:33. | :06:40. | |
needed care, and the A&E Department at Stafford was in meltdown. | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
Robinsons are seeking a new inquest, because the A&E's consultant | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
internal report was sent to the Trust lawyers, but did not reach | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
the coroner or the family. The lawyers from that time told us | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
there was never any attempt to cover up the facts of John's death. | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
And their first duty was to the Trust, and not to patients. Legal | :06:58. | :07:05. | |
regulators have agreed. Today the hospital is under new | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
management. In response to the family's concerns over the care of | :07:09. | :07:19. | |
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Bella Bailey and John Robinson, the She also gave her sincere apologies | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
to Mr and Mrs Robinson, and said the Trust has apologise today Julie | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
Bailey. She said today Stafford is a very different place. In his | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
second report, Robert Francis looks more widely at NHS management, at | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
questions he says constantly went through his mind. Why did those in | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
charge not detect that something so serious was going on, and why was | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
nothing done about it? I think Mid Staffs was a perfect | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
storm, where everything came together. I think at that time it | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
was a target culture and it was very prevalent. People, doctors, | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
were pushed into situations, and I don't think they were always | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
comfortable with that. Elective cases were prioritised. I would | :08:17. | :08:24. | |
hope that has been altered, and changed. But I do think there are | :08:24. | :08:30. | |
pockets around the country where that may still be a problem. | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
expectation is that the report will be highly critical of NHS | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
structures, the plethora of regulating bodies and the | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
individuals in management at the time. That may include the chief | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
executive of the NHS in England, Sir David Nicholson, who cases | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
calls to resign. He was chief executive -- who faces calls to | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
resign. He was chief executive of the two strategic health | :08:53. | :09:00. | |
authorities from 2005-2006, before taking up his current role. He has | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
evidently been at the heart of the development of the command and | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
control structure in the NHS. I don't think I'm alone in thinking | :09:10. | :09:19. | |
that he, and the cadre of people that he has appointed and also have | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
very senior positions, that those people are not the right leaders to | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
change that culture. But Sir David has a pivitol role in | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
the Government's full-scale reorganisation of the NHS in | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
England. It ordered this full public inquiry after pledging to go | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
beyond Labour's first independent inquiry. So it will want to show it | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
has done all it can to avoid a repeat of Mid Staffs. Sir David | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
himself has said he has not seen anything yet that would make him | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
think he should resign. Last week he apologised for those affected on | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
behalf of the NHS. He said patients will be given a bigger say. There | :09:58. | :10:03. | |
is also renewed interest in a concept known as "zero harm", based | :10:03. | :10:08. | |
on Florence Nightingale's edict, that the hospital should the sick | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
no harm. Antony Sumara was parachuted in to fix Mid Staffs. He | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
said there must be a wholesale change in culture, removing targets | :10:17. | :10:24. | |
where say 95% of patients remain free of hospital-acquired | :10:24. | :10:31. | |
infections. The concept of "zero harm" greatly appeals to him. | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
zero harm, airlines use it, the building construction industry use | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
it, but the NHS has an idea that it is OK to harm people. What would he | :10:43. | :10:49. | |
do? I would be tougher to make sure that those who work in the NHS are | :10:49. | :10:56. | |
held directly to account for patient safety and care. And we | :10:56. | :11:02. | |
don't have this idea that it is OK to harm some people and compared to | :11:02. | :11:09. | |
other Trusts we are not that bad. After her experiences at Stafford | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
Julyy Bailey founded Curet The NHS, with other families. They will be | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
the toughest judges of the response on Wednesday, for them apologise | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
will not be enough, they want nothing less than a new world of | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
health cautious breaking the concept that harm is inevitable. | :11:24. | :11:30. | |
Just before we came on air I spoke to Deb Hazeldine, whose mother was | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
treated at Stafford General Hospital, and who spoke to the | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
Prime Minister about the public inquiry earlier today. | :11:35. | :11:41. | |
What happened to your mother when she went into hospital? Mum was 67, | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
she was admitted into Mid Staffs in July of 2006. She had a fall at | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
home, not sustained any injuries, but we were told that she would | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
need on going physiotherapy to get back on her feet after the | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
physiotherapy she had. She was put straight on to an open ward, even | :11:59. | :12:05. | |
though we asked she be put in an isolation ward. She quickly | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
contracted C-diff and MRSA. Then what happened to her general health | :12:08. | :12:14. | |
and care? The care was appalling. There was some very kind nurses, | :12:14. | :12:20. | |
but lots of nurse and doctors who weren't kind and didn't support -- | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
nurses and doctors who weren't kind and didn't support mum. You work in | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
the NHS and you know about the atmosphere. What kind of things | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
happened to your mum? Entering the ward one day, I could hear my mum | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
screaming at the top of her voice, she was in so much pain. I dropped | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
my bag and ran into her. She was half on a komode, half on the floor. | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
That is when she grabbed my hand and said "please don't let me die | :12:43. | :12:49. | |
in here". I fed my mum, I cleaned my mum. My mum had ulcers on her | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
leg because she was left in a wet bed for such a long time. She had | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
pain in her back, she would constantly say she was in pain. | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
there any sense of embarrassment or worry from the general staff there? | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
Yes, the nurse that is were really caring. There were a couple on the | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
ward would try 0 do their very best. There were some nurses that were | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
very dismissive as well, they didn't try to help. I tried to be | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
there as much as I can. I had to say to my mum's consultant could | :13:15. | :13:20. | |
you please write in the notes that I can visit, because of the abuse I | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
got off staff members when I went in. You didn't make a complaint? | :13:25. | :13:30. | |
a family we couldn't be there 24/7, I was worried because mum would be | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
in there. We decided when mum came home we would complain. | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
Unfortunately she never came home. She didn't come home and you have | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
been part of the big campaign. You saw David Cameron earlier this | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
evening. I did. What was the general demeanor of | :13:47. | :13:55. | |
the meeting? It was very respectful, I think, to our loved ones. It was | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
very respectful. What did you ask from him? Accountability, that is | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
the main thing to me. There were hundreds of people who died | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
horrifically, and nobody, at this point, has been held accountable. | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
What concrete changes do you want to see happen now, and presumably | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
you spoke to David Cameron about those? Yes, I did. We need | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
accountability to come back into the NHS. Poor care is insulting to | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
all of the caring and compassionate staff, as well as all the patients. | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
We need the recommendations of the Francis Report to be implemented, | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
and a complaints system fit for purpose, it currently isn't, the | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
patients don't have a voice if something goes wrong. Who should | :14:32. | :14:40. | |
resign over this, you say nobody has gone yet. Who should? If you | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
look it public inquiry, anybody found to be failing, that starts | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
with David Nicholson. Now head of the NHS in England? Yes, there is | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
no accountability, we cannot let this one continue to run the NHS. | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
Thank you very much indeed. We invited Sir David Nicholson on | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
to the programme tonight, but he didn't want to speak ahead of the | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
inquiry report on Wednesday. We also contacted mid-Staffordshire | :15:03. | :15:08. | |
Foundation Trust for a comment. They said they have apologised to | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
Miss Hazeldine for the poor care given to her mother in 2006, and it | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
is suffering cause today her and her family. There were systemic | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
problems at Stafford Hospital at that time, which meant that the | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
care provided to these patients and others in some areas of the | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
hospital was inadequate. Such a poor standard of care is | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
inexcusable and indefensible, today Stafford is a very different place. | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
External regulators have verified and acknowledged the improvements | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
that have been made, is what they said. | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
Joining me is Mike Farrer, chief executive of the NHS Confederation. | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
And Peter Walsh, from the group who campaign for patient safety. He has | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
helped some of those involved in the Mid Staffs case. | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
Peter Walsh, do you think the NHS in England has lost its way? | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
Something has gone very wrong with the NHS. That is obvious. Obviously | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
the inquiry started to be all about what happened at Stafford, but it | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
is much wider than that now. I would love to say this was a | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
totally isolated incident, but as a national charity, we see pockets of | :16:08. | :16:14. | |
what happened at Stafford in hospitals around the country. | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
Farrer, I was struck by something Debbie Hazeldine said, talking | :16:18. | :16:23. | |
about the nurses, they weren't nursing. What's happened to | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
compassion and care? Jeremy Hunt seems keen that is put at the heart | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
of the NHS again, clearly that was lacking? I think the evidence from | :16:32. | :16:38. | |
Mid Staffs is absolutely horrendous, speaking as one who came into | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
National Health Service to do good for people, I feel ashamed of what | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
happened there. What I can say is we absolutely use this as an | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
opportunity to learn every single lesson we can and make sure it | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
doesn't happen again. I think what we do to guarantee to the public | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
that these horrendous issues are dealt with, requires us to take a | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
fundamental look at everything, from the nursing on the wards, | :17:00. | :17:06. | |
through to the ways in which the NHS organisations judge themselves | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
and they are accountable to the public, and how they operate in the | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
wider system. This is a moment in time to get this right. You heard | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
Deb Hazeldine saying they didn't want to complain while their mother | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
was in hospital, in case it affected her mother adversely. | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
There has clearly been a breakdown in trust between patients and | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
nursing staff. Whether they be auction sillies, doctors or porters, | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
there is a complete breakdown of trust? Yes, and I think that is | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
inexcusable that the people who need us at that great time of | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
problem can't trust us. Whether that is the nursing staff, the | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
management of hospitals, or indeed, the way in which we account for | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
ourselves. We have to do better, we have to rebuild trust. That starts | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
by being much more open. We have to listen to patients. It is | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
inexcusable in today's environment that we're not listening to | :17:58. | :18:05. | |
patients as part of the whole process of care. But there can't be | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
just tinkering. Let's talk about zero harm, something like C-diff, | :18:10. | :18:18. | |
it might be we don't want more than 5% of patients to get that, now it | :18:18. | :18:24. | |
is 0 per cent, there should never be a -- 0%, there should never be a | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
presumption that anyone should get this in hospital? We gave evidence | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
to the inquiry about vitally important patient safety alerts, | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
life and death matters, where trusts around the country were | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
failing to implement. Mortality rates, strong indicators of | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
something going wrong. Duty of candour, are you really saying that | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
a nurse auction silly could actually call out a consultant for | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
doing something wrong, it is such a hierarchical organisation, I | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
couldn't imagine that ever happening? There is lots of | :18:54. | :19:01. | |
platitudes to be spoken about Stafford, and the recommendations. | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
Change of culture and openness, the challenge for Jeremy Hunt will be, | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
will he fully implement the recommendations, which I'm sure | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
will include a statutory, meaningful duty of candour. What | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
kind of health service would not guarantee as an essential standard | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
openness with patients and family when things go wrong. A duty of | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
candour, should that be implemented if recommended on Wednesday? I do, | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
and Peter is absolutely right. I would say that resource to a legal | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
duty, to be open and honest with patients, is really an indictment | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
to the fact that the culture we have at the moment doesn't honestly | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
share with patients and their families what is going on in terms | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
of their care. And the first thing that happens, of course, if there | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
is a complaint, it seems to be in mid-Stafford, that rather than | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
dealing with the complaint, you hire an army of lawyers to defend | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
you. That the lawyers' obligation is to the Trust and not the | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
patients. How could things be as skewed as that, Mike Farrer? If we | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
were getting this right, and now we must, we can't fail this time. We | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
would have a situation where staff on the wards were reviewing care, | :20:08. | :20:15. | |
with the families, the families know their loved one is well and | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
making sure we could do everything we comfortable it would be a | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
culture where you didn't have to recourse a lot or whistle blow, | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
because we would be learning what we need to as we went along. That | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
is the critical bit. You look down the list of different organisations | :20:30. | :20:37. | |
involved in patient care, there must be 20 or 30 or 40. There is a | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
myriad organisations which dilute the idea of accountability? Yes, | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
things are being made more complex. When you make things more complex | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
and fragmented, you introduce more risk. What we need is a tough | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
regulator, rather than more regulation, we need better | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
regulation. A regulator, like the aviation industry, that would act | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
on single indicators of a lack of safety. Mortality rates, patient | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
safety alerts, but fundamental is openness and transparency. | :21:05. | :21:07. | |
Protecting whistleblowers, and ensuring that patients are | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
empowered, not just by information, by honesty about what then goes on, | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
but independent support with their complaints. It looks a if there is | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
going to be, Mike Farrer, an absolute recommendation, and | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
presumably it will be statutory soon, that the ratio of nursing | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
staff to patients will have to change, and are we even having | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
enough nurses to do that? There is a very important point here that | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
builds off Peter's point. We can look externally at the regulation | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
levels, and setting standards for nursing levels, but it is people in | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
the hopts that have to take the responsibility. They are the ones | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
there 24/7, 365 days a year. It is their responsibility to know what | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
is safe care. If you have a difficult patient on a ward you | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
might need to increase staffing. It is their responsibility, they are | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
the ones, not the regulators, who need to make sure the buck stops | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
with them, and management. Then we need a regulatory system that gives | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
confidence that what is happening in the NHS is open and transparent. | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
Where we need to step in we K the responsibility of quality of care | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
lies with the hospital and all of us in the National Health Service. | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
That is where we should look first. We await the report on Wednesday. | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
It still seems some what incredible, but there now may be a royal | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
funeral, Richard III, the last King of England to die in battle may be | :22:28. | :22:34. | |
interned somewhere, maybe Westminster Abbey, after a deformed | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
skeleton with battle wounds has been identified as king after lying | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
under a car park in Leicester for many years. He was Shakespeare's | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
arch villain, accused of killing his brother's soon. We will talk to | :22:46. | :22:55. | |
our guests in a moment. First this. Now is the winter of our discontent. | :22:55. | :23:02. | |
Made glorious summer by this son of York. They found Richard III! In | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
the absence of any other broadcaster willing to hammer this | :23:05. | :23:14. | |
story to death, it falls to us, soberly and gravely, to train the | :23:14. | :23:20. | |
spotlight of Newsnight scholarship on this subject. | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
Hidden under a car park in Leicester, one of the most | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
notorious kings in our history. A ruthless power-snatcher, and | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
alleged child killer, the only thing Richard III hasn't been | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
accused of is failing to pay-and- display. The pith and marrow of | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
this story concerns a swab in the mouth of a blameless Canadian. But | :23:44. | :23:51. | |
how can it be? Now here is the science part. Richard III had an | :23:51. | :23:57. | |
older sister, Anne of York, skip forward a few generations and her | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
17th great-grand nephew is a Canadian carpenter living in London, | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
Michael Ibsen. The Leicester university team took his DNA, and | :24:05. | :24:12. | |
that of another distant descendant of Anne as, and compared that with | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
the car park skeleton. The scans matched, and the team announced, | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
alongside all the other evidence, this put the identity of the | :24:21. | :24:27. | |
skeleton beyond reasonable doubt. The skeleton exhumed at Greyfriars | :24:27. | :24:33. | |
in 2012, is indeed Richard III the last Plantagenet King of England. | :24:33. | :24:41. | |
It is exciting in terms of methodology, DNA put together with | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
archaeology, research and desk- based research, that is impressive. | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
It is exciting, I'm not sure how much it means beyond the excitement | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
of the process, but yes, today is a thrilling day to be a medieval | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
historian. A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse. So now we know | :24:58. | :25:05. | |
it was him under the car park, why are we so fascinated by Richard any | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
way? Some historians insist he wasn't so much worse than other | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
Monarchs. Maybe it is Shakespeare, the gap between the black | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
propaganda put about in the 16th century, and crystalised in | :25:16. | :25:22. | |
Shakespeare. The gap between that and the truth of Richard's regin, | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
which is he didn't do a lot of bad things, just one or two extremely | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
bad things. Someone who should know all about | :25:29. | :25:35. | |
this is actor Jonjo O'Neil, who has given his Richard III at Stratford. | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
Immediate instinct of probably towards humour, finding the glee in | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
it. There is a lot of humour in Richard, he's a very funny | :25:43. | :25:53. | |
character. I immediately started to find parallels in characters in | :25:53. | :26:00. | |
South Park and other modern stuff that I have enjoyed and that I saw | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
in Richard. When it comes to the canon, most | :26:04. | :26:13. | |
good judges give props to Richard III. Is it he is most enjoyed | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
villain, possibly? One of the most celebrated villains, certainly, in | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
Shakespeare. It is the second- biggest part to hamlet, in terms of | :26:21. | :26:26. | |
the sheer -- Hamlet, in terms of sheer volume and the amount he has, | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
the second-largest amount of lines in all Shakespeare, second to | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
Hamlet. It also emerged today that this car lot isn't just a dig of | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
world historical interest. This is CSI boss worth! In the case of the | :26:39. | :26:45. | |
larger wound, if the blade had penetrated seven sent meeters into | :26:45. | :26:51. | |
the braifpb, -- centimeters into the brain, which we can't determine, | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
death would have been instant. didn't have his hands bound, he was | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
stabbed through the heart with a knife. This is obviously a burial | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
designed to humiliate. Richard's remains may end up here at St | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
Martin's, and Leicester will share with Paris the unlikely distinction | :27:08. | :27:15. | |
of boating a Cathedral with a famous hunchback. | :27:15. | :27:21. | |
Sir Richard Eyre is an award- winning theatre director, drink | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
bringing Richard III to life on the age. Suzannah Lipscomb is an expert | :27:27. | :27:33. | |
in the Tudor period. Good king bad king, does it make a difference to | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
how we view him? It doesn't make a difference. Richard has this | :27:38. | :27:46. | |
reputation from Sir Thomas Moore and Shakespeare of being a crooked | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
man with a crooked back. There is this thing about his physical | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
deformties and his character. We are beyond that now. We discovered | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
he did have a curved spine. So they weren't just doing him down? No, I | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
think the slightly surprising thing coming out today is the Tudor | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
propaganda wasn't just an invention, there was something in it. | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
exciting day, or overplayed, the arrival of Richard III in the scene | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
again? An exciting day for the University of Leicester, and the | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
car park attendants. I would have been much more excited if they had | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
exhumed another draft of Shakespeare's play. I think the | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
reason we are having this conversation at all is because | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
Shakespeare's done Richard III a huge favour. This is terribly bad | :28:33. | :28:40. | |
news for Richard III Society, they have said he's a man who is | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
absolutely blameless. What's more, that he had had a perfectly | :28:44. | :28:50. | |
straight spine. I think this revelation actually does, at least | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
allow Shakespeare something more than mere poetic license. When you | :28:55. | :29:02. | |
directed Richard III, how did you, you directed Ian McKellan in it, | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
what were your lines on how to play Shakespeare's Richard III. Do you | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
think there is a lot of fun in it? There is a lot of fun. Of course | :29:10. | :29:16. | |
he's a soldier. His first speech is telling you how terrible it is for | :29:16. | :29:24. | |
him that peace has broken out, and grim visage to all has vanished, to | :29:24. | :29:34. | |
:29:34. | :29:36. | ||
be replayed by all the efeninecy of peace. He will tell you he will do | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
terrible things and he does do terrible things. It is interesting | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
seeing Chris Huhne saying he was innocent today, and Richard III | :29:43. | :29:50. | |
does that in the first seen. He convinced Lady Anne that he is | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
uncorrupt and uncorruptible. He turns to the audience, having | :29:54. | :29:59. | |
seduced her and convinced her of an innocence, and says "was ever woman | :29:59. | :30:07. | |
in this humour wooed, was ever woman in this humour won". He he is | :30:07. | :30:11. | |
an utterly beguiling villain. The great defenders of Richard III | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
traduced the play, because the play is actually an extraordinary | :30:16. | :30:21. | |
complex play about politic. It is a handbook for tyranny. He was a | :30:21. | :30:25. | |
complex man, we now know there were certain enlightened aspects of | :30:25. | :30:33. | |
things, the first man to give bail. But he died a horrific and | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
humiliating death. And henry VII had to establish himself and give | :30:38. | :30:43. | |
him a humiliating death? He was the last king to die on the battlefield | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
in England, quite fairly, Henry the Tudor, I will upset a lot of | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
Ricardians, but henry the Tudor won, the problem for that is that | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
Richard III had the reputation as a Great War yo, we discover he was | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
probably attacked from behind, and then humiliating wounds. That was | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
necessary to demonstrate he was dead. He was carried through | :31:05. | :31:11. | |
Leicester to say he hasn't gone into hiding, he actually is dead, | :31:11. | :31:17. | |
and Henry Tudor is now Henry VII, king. That has to be the way it | :31:17. | :31:26. | |
worked out. The big debate is where will his bones be buried? The Queen | :31:26. | :31:31. | |
has to give her permission for Westminster Abbey. Leicester? | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
have been buried in all sorts of places. Canterbury, Reading, | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
Gloucester, not necessarily Westminster Abbey. I suppose it | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
might be wise to consider putting him somewhere where he knew success. | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
Somewhere like Richmond, maybe York, perhaps not Leicester. I'm sure the | :31:48. | :31:53. | |
University oflessor would be very sad if he went -- University | :31:53. | :31:59. | |
oflessor would be sad if he went elsewhere. Who are the best lines, | :31:59. | :32:04. | |
in terms of actors that you have seen play it and the best lines, | :32:04. | :32:10. | |
you have directed Ian McKellan, what are the best actors and best | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
lines? My favourite line is when Elizabeth says to the old Queen | :32:15. | :32:24. | |
Margaret, I'll misquote the line, but it is "teach me how to curse my | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
enemies". This is the unrevealed part of the play is that it has | :32:27. | :32:32. | |
some of the most powerful parts for women in the whole of the | :32:32. | :32:42. | |
Shakespearian canon. And far from being glorification of revelling in | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
the Godfather-like revelling in the villainy and viciousness, it shows | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
you the consequences of it. The most devastating scene is the scene | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
with three women who have all lost people. What is your favourite bit | :32:55. | :33:00. | |
of Richard III, or as a Tudor you don't have any bits? I suppose | :33:00. | :33:05. | |
everybody is struck by the opening. Nobody can walk away from that play | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
and forget that dramatic opening, I would have to go with the classic | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
lines about the winter of our discontent. Thank you very much. | :33:13. | :33:19. | |
As Richard Eyre was saying, now for a very modern tragedy, Chris Huhne | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
once a cabinet high flyer, today fell to the ground with a | :33:23. | :33:28. | |
resounding crash, exposed as a liar. He announced he would resign as MP | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
for Eastleigh. After years of lying he admitted a speeding offence, and | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
now faces the prospect of a jail sentence. In the course of today's | :33:37. | :33:44. | |
events, texts between his son and himself were admitted into evidence. | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
Chris Huhne is the kind of politician to not just cross the | :33:47. | :33:54. | |
road to pick up a fight but get in a car and race to it. The ambitious | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
Lib Dem was accused of being in such a hurry to get on he would | :33:59. | :34:01. | |
frequently speed there. Chris Huhne didn't rush to the position he | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
found himself today, after a year of saying he didn't ask his wife to | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
accept points on her driving license on his behalf, today the | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
former cabinet minister pleaded guilty. I have pleaded guilty today, | :34:12. | :34:19. | |
I'm unable to say more, while there is an outstanding trial. But having | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
taken responsibility for something which happened ten years ago, the | :34:23. | :34:29. | |
only proper course of action for me is now to resign my Eastleigh seat | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
in parliament, which I will do very shortly. If all political careers | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
end in failure, few end in court. At some point in the last seven | :34:38. | :34:40. | |
days Chris Huhne made a decision that wraps up seven-and-a-half | :34:40. | :34:46. | |
years as an MP. A one-time contend Tory lead his party, and until very | :34:46. | :34:51. | |
recent days, still talked about as a possible future Deputy Prime | :34:51. | :34:54. | |
Minister, today Chris Huhne faces the possibility of prison. | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
That quote about all political lives ending in failure goes on to | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
say that they do so because of human affairs. In the last two | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
years, the Huhne family have been all too human. Huhne admitted | :35:04. | :35:09. | |
having an affair in June 2010. His marriage to the respected economist, | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
Vicky Pryce, broke down, and a year later allegations were published in | :35:13. | :35:19. | |
the newspaper. In 2003, now a decade ago, when the then Lib Dem | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
MP was trying to fast and furiously win election to Westminster, he was | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
alleged to have been in such a hurry, his car had been caught by | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
cameras speeding between Stanstead Airport and London. The prosecution | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
alleged that Huhne had bust the speed limit so frequently, he was | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
facing political ruin before his career started, he asked his wife | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
to take the point, but the cabinet minister denied this. I want to say | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
simply that these allegations are simply incorrect. They have been | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
made before and they have been shown to be untrue. I very much | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
welcome the referral to the police as it will draw a line under the | :35:54. | :36:00. | |
matter. Throughout he would see a funny side. Philip Hammond, the | :36:00. | :36:05. | |
Transport Secretary, said people who break the speed limit are | :36:05. | :36:10. | |
perfectly decent people. Apparently Philip had broken the speed limit | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
and got some points. I put my haunds and lost my license from | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
speeding so I'm in a good position to say. Huhne had to eventually | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
stand down from cabinet, he vowed to fight the charge and believing | :36:22. | :36:26. | |
he would eventually return to political life. Today the judge | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
revealed that Huhne's lawyer fought hard to have the case dismissed, | :36:30. | :36:35. | |
not once but twice, and the judge overruled this, and he published | :36:35. | :36:38. | |
fresh evidence, text messages between Huhne and his 18-year-old | :36:38. | :36:48. | |
:36:48. | :37:04. | ||
I'm shocked and saddened by what's happened, but I believe that Chris | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
Huhne has taken the right decision in resigning as an MP. | :37:08. | :37:14. | |
Why does it matter? He was central to the coalition negotiations with | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
the Conservative Party after the hung parliament election of May | :37:18. | :37:22. | |
2010, clearly one of the leading Lib Dems in the cabinet. Many | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
people would have assumed that if he had been found not guilty or | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
acquitted, for some reason over these charges, he would have | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
returned to the fray. Either to the cabinet, quite quickly, or even | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
potentially as a future leader of the Lib Dem party, were Nick Clegg | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
to step down at some point. Suddenly all of that is over. | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
Instead of racing down the M11, the strategists of Westminster will | :37:46. | :37:51. | |
right now be familiarising themselves to another motorway, the | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
M3 to Eastleigh, where they will spend the days and weeks ahead. As | :37:55. | :38:00. | |
fits the cabinet minister most agrossive to Tory colleagues in | :38:00. | :38:02. | |
Government, the battle for Eastleigh will be bitter. It is the | :38:03. | :38:05. | |
first time in this parliament where the coalition partners go up | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
against each other. Newsnight hit the road to see how quickly the | :38:09. | :38:16. | |
Tories had hit the road, not very, up past Strawberryfields, the Tory | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
HQ had not a leaflet ready. It came as a surprise to you, we weren't | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
expecting a by-election, as it is better to be prepared and not miss | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
a opportunity, but we have spoken about it, but no hotel rooms have | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
been booked. Eastleigh is one of 20 Lib Dem seats targeted by the | :38:34. | :38:40. | |
Tories, if they can't win here, a majority in 2015 is tricky. UKIP is | :38:40. | :38:46. | |
a problem for them. UKIP take votes from all parties. It is amazing, | :38:46. | :38:51. | |
people will vote liberal locally, but UKIP nationally. They take from | :38:51. | :38:56. | |
everybody. That will be shared out amongst us. The Lib Dems are road | :38:56. | :39:06. | |
testing a strategy, that they think will help them outperform | :39:06. | :39:12. | |
competitors. Elbow grease. Chris Huhne hadn't given you a signal of | :39:12. | :39:18. | |
what he was going to do, do you have a candidate? We have a | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
candidate. We will go through democratic processes to get a | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
candidate, we have a good pool of talent waiting to be considered as | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
a potential MP for Eastleigh. another high-profile politician | :39:29. | :39:38. | |
admitted telling an untruth, with such unauspicious settings, the | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
scene is set for a bloody battle. David Cameron face as revolt of | :39:43. | :39:48. | |
over 100 MPs tomorrow as the Commons votes on the same-sex | :39:49. | :39:51. | |
Marriage Bill, which he has championed. | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
Tonight, in an effort to win over colleagues, George Osborne, William | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
Hague and Theresa May published a joint letter to the Telegraph, in | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
which they questioned whether it was any longer acceptable to | :40:02. | :40:08. | |
exclude people from marriage simply because they love someone of the | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
same sex. We talk to two Conservative MPs who plan to vote | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
differently on gay marriage tomorrow. | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
Anne McIntosh, why shouldn't gai people get married? I think there | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
is confusion here between rights for gay people and religious | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
freedoms. What saddens me mostly about the debate, I have worked | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
very closely with Nick and I have high regard for him and the | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
arguments that the other side are putting forward. I think in the | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
countryside the church plays a very special role. It is not necessarily | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
just getting married in church, it is getting married full stop? | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
you can't redefine marriage in this way. I would have no problem, if | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
for example, civil partnership could be blessed in urge ch, that I | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
think would be already -- church, that would be already a great step | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
forward. We were specifically told when we voted on civil partnerships | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
this wouldn't lead to marriage. This is a breakdown in trust. | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
is nothing Nick Herbert would say to change your mind? No, I have | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
made a public promise to my electorate. It wasn't something | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
raised at the election, this has come out of the blue. But my | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
electorate understand exactly where I stand on this issue. What about | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
your electorate? It is a free vote and people are entitled to their | :41:20. | :41:24. | |
view, it is an issue of conscience. All of the independently conducted | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
opinion polls are showing a majority of the public are in | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
favour of this change. That is a majority that is growing very fast | :41:30. | :41:35. | |
in this country, as it has in others. We know that particularly | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
amongst younger people there is very strong support indeed. What | :41:39. | :41:46. | |
you are doing is looking ahead. Because ComRes poll for ITN news | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
suggests today that as a result of this going through, if it does go | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
through, which we expect, you are likely lose more votes than you | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
will gain at the moment. That particular poll has been quite | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
criticised by other pollsters for asking leading questions, and | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
excluding all the other things people will vote on. There are | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
bigger issues. Does it sadden you that Anne McIntosh doesn't believe | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
that you should get married in church, or get married full stop? | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
Of course I would like as many members in parliament to vote for | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
it, I think it will pass tomorrow with a substantial majority. I'm | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
happy about that. I'm happy because I don't think it is right any | :42:22. | :42:27. | |
longer to exclude two people who love each other from an institution. | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
Religious freedom is protected. The churches that don't want to do this | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
won't have to. You say religious freedom is not protected. Churches | :42:34. | :42:39. | |
don't have to agree to it? I don't think that will stand up in law, as | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
a Scottish advocate I would argue that. Can I also say, this is the | :42:43. | :42:49. | |
narrow step along, the first step along a long road, in France they | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
are redefining how you describe wives and husbands and parents can | :42:52. | :42:58. | |
no longer be described as mothers and fathers. Are you really saying | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
that is the outcome of this? It is happening in France and other | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
countries where this law has been passed. It is the law of unintended | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
consequences. I personally believe a loving relationship is one thing, | :43:08. | :43:13. | |
I don't dispute that. But you don't want people to have the same | :43:13. | :43:16. | |
rights? Marriage is very special, you can't rewrite the law. | :43:16. | :43:23. | |
special for you. That it is one man and one woman. Today two eminent | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
QCs told the Times that it was inconceivable to have a legal | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
challenge, because the European Court on human rights protects | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
marriage. Gay marriage has been in the netherlands for over ten years | :43:36. | :43:41. | |
and Spain for seven years, there is no legal challenge successful. It | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
is important for people to understand that the Church of | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
England, the Catholic Church that don't want to do this won't have to. | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
Why shouldn't other religious organisations, like the quakers, | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
liberal Jews, Unitarians do it. concerned are you about a split in | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
the party over this. If it gets through, it won't get through | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
because of Conservative support, it will be because of Liberal Democrat | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
and Labour members support it. Are you disappointed that David Cameron | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
wasn't managed to convince you. He has shown leadership in as much as | :44:09. | :44:15. | |
he has championed sh, but he has not convinced -- championed it, but | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
he has not convinced you? The whole way it is raised is unfortunate. If | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
it was in the general election and we had the opportunity to debate it, | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
if I had the opportunity to explain my view to the electorate, to | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
explain why I stood, then I could have said this is what I was going | :44:29. | :44:35. | |
to do. Is this damaging? David Cameron has made it clear. We did | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
not stand on this in the manifesto, it wasn't in the coalition | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
agreement either, I stood my campaign on the coalition agreement. | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
David Cameron's first speech as party leader to the conference, he | :44:46. | :44:50. | |
made it clear and won applause. He's reflecting the fact that | :44:50. | :44:56. | |
attitudes have changed. These laws do come accepted, Ann voted against | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
civil partnerships when proposed, and now says they are a good thing. | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
Attitudes have changed. Look what Maria Miller said today, she | :45:04. | :45:09. | |
likened this to attitudes, prosive attitudes that her party stands d | :45:09. | :45:13. | |
progressive attitude that is her party stand for, do you accept | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
that? That is completely different. I don't think you can have a | :45:17. | :45:19. | |
marriage physically between anything other than a man and a | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
woman. This could be handled so much better. There is reason to | :45:23. | :45:28. | |
delay. To delay or not do it at all? I stood on the manifesto, we | :45:28. | :45:34. | |
were committed, Nick and I, to introduce tax allowances for | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
married couples, that hasn't gone through, this is proceeding apace, | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
and if there are court cases they will come before the next election. | :45:42. | :45:46. | |
How big a landmark will it be for gay people? It will be incredibly | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
important, it is immensely meaningful, and tomorrow, millions | :45:49. | :45:56. | |
of people will be watching this vote, and asking themselves whether | :45:56. | :46:02. | |
actually Members of Parliament are understanding that we are accepting | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
the place in society. That is all we have time tonight, until | :46:05. | :46:15. | |
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we have time tonight, until tomorrow, a very good night. | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
The break from the winter weather was all too short, it is back a | :46:22. | :46:27. | |
cold, icey windy start to Tuesday, some disruptive snow across parts | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
of northern England. The band of snow across the Pennines, an amber | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
warning from the Met Office, be prepared for disruption. For south- | :46:35. | :46:40. | |
east England it is a dry start. Despite the sunshine, colder than | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
recent mornings. Rain and sleet elsewhere, and stormy in Cornwall, | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
gusts overnight of 70 miles an hour. Strengthening again during Tuesday. | :46:48. | :46:53. | |
Watching this area of showers in shout Wales, the valleys with | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
accumulating snow could cause problems in the morning. Icey in | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
Wales. Northern Ireland with fresh snow on the ground, after the | :47:00. | :47:05. | |
showers overnight. Heavy snow showers in Scotland. Blizzards on | :47:05. | :47:10. | |
the hills. The met thofs amber warning here, particularly across - | :47:10. | :47:16. | |
- Met Office amber warning here, particularly across the Highland. | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
No snow settling in the London area it will come later in the day and | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
will fizzle out, it will feel bitterly cold in the strong winds. | :47:23. | :47:27. | |
As for Wednesday, it is an Arctic wind, snow showers more to the east | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
than anywhere else, sunshine on offer. Thursday and Friday, the | :47:30. | :47:34. |