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Tonight, a big blow to the Government's flagship back to work | :00:13. | :00:18. | |
scheme. A Court of Appeal declares the way it has been organised is | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
unlawful. You can't be made to work for no | :00:23. | :00:28. | |
pay without being told your rights to refuse and appeal. Today an | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
unemployed graduate won our challenge to being owe bliepbled to | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
work at Poundland, what about the others. What about those thrown off | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
benefits because they didn't do the volumity work they were required to | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
do. They may have compensation claims. Why hasn't the Employment | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
Minister been running a work experience programme within the law. | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
Last tonight, the murder of PC Yvonne Fletcher in London in 1984, | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
by agents of the Gaddafi regime. The real targets, anti-Gaddafi | :00:58. | :01:03. | |
protestors, they speak out for the first time. I like justice, an | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
innocent young woman doing her duty got killed. | :01:06. | :01:12. | |
The horse meat scandal at home in Britain. This time it's a Yorkshire | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
slaughterhouse and a west Wales food processing plant. Raiding on | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
suspicion of passing off horse as beef. The minister says he's | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
shocked, we will ask his Labour shadow, whether she trusts mince | :01:21. | :01:31. | |
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now. North Korea stages another nuclear bomb test which is | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
described as provocative, is East Asia becoming the world's most | :01:36. | :01:46. | |
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dangerous flash point. Good evening, Cait Reilly, a university graduate, | :01:50. | :01:56. | |
who work at Poundland for no pay to keep her state benefit has won her | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
court case, which is seen as a major blow to the way the | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
Government run their back to work scheme. Cait Reilly claimed that | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
all those who have been striped of benefits have a right to claim | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
their mn money back, since it was taken -- their money back, since it | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
was taken from them unlawfully we will hear from the minister in a | :02:14. | :02:24. | |
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moment. The Government's back to work | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
schemes had been compared by some of their harshest critic, to little | :02:29. | :02:35. | |
more than the kind of slavery depicted in the film Metropilis, | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
where skilled but unemployed people were forced to do unpaid work, | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
which they didn't want and was no use to their career. | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
A lightninging rod for the issue was a 24-year-old geology graduate, | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
Cait Reilly, who was told to work, without pay, in Poundland for a | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
fortnight. She claimed it was akin to forced labour. I have brought | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
this case because I knew it was wrong when I was prevented from | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
doing my voluntary work in a you museum, and forced to work -- in a | :03:02. | :03:08. | |
museum and forced today work in Poundland for free. Those two weeks | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
were a complete waste of time and the experience didn't help get a | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
job. I was given no training, and I was left with no time to do | :03:15. | :03:21. | |
voluntary work or search for jobs. The only beneficiary was Poundland, | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
a multibillion pound company. Although the Court of Appeal found | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
the law underpinning the programme was unlawful, the principle of | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
being asked to work for free, in order to get benefits, ufs fully | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
upheld. It is -- Was fully upheld. It is important to understand what | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
the court did and didn't fine, it didn't find that forcing people to | :03:43. | :03:51. | |
work or lose their benefits breaks human rights law. That would be | :03:51. | :03:57. | |
forced labour or slavery, and this was not. Parliament did not tell | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
the court in detail what the schemes entail. Parliament didn't | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
get the opportunity to debate those schemes. These are the seven | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
schemes affected by today's ruling, which are designed to help those on | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
jobseeker's allowance to get back into the work force. Around 130,000 | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
people have already been sanctioned in some way for refusinging to work | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
on one of these schemes, including being striped of their benefits | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
entirely. If today's judgment is upheld in the Supreme Court, it | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
could force the Government to repay millions of pounds to thousands of | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
unemployed people. What about people who were thrown | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
off benefits because they didn't do the voluntary work they were | :04:35. | :04:41. | |
required to do. Well, they may have compensation claims, because the | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
legal authority under which that happened, didn't exist, in reality. | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
And the TUC says it's time the goiplt Government got back to the | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
drawing board, to design -- the Government got back to the drawing | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
board to design a waterproof scheme to people off the dole. We are | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
supportive of schemes that get people back into work, and we think | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
there is a role for good-quality work experience within the benefits | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
system. We think there is a need for those claiming benefits to take | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
action and find jobs, and if they are offered real paid work to take | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
it. Nobody is arguing for people to be able to turn down real offers of | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
paid work. What we are arguing against is schemes that require | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
people to participate in unpaid work, in return for their benefits. | :05:22. | :05:28. | |
This case also highlights that for many people their chosen career | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
path and what the British economy can offer them are moving in | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
different directions. In you are trained geology, archaeologist or | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
journalist, big British business may not be beating a path to your | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
door to offer you a work placement. This raise the question as to | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
whether we are training people in career paths for which there are | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
very few jobs. What's interesting is, who wants the really focused | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
careers? Is it the individual or economy? If the economy wants it | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
they will fund them. I think it is up to universities and business to | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
work together to say we do need more geologists, we need | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
archaeologists, whatever it happens to be, and make sure funding is in | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
place for those individuals so, they can move through | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
apprenticeships and internships and into industry. The Government is | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
there to educate most of us with the mass of skills for the broad | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
economy. And the higher education system does that broadly very well. | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
You have to be prepared to take the jobs on offer. | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
And now the lawyers are busy again, as the Government immediately | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
introduced new rules, allowing she is unpaid back-to-work schemes to | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
continue operating, whilst it appeals to the Supreme Court. | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
The Employment Minister is with me. Minister, why has your department | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
within so incompetent it can't even run the scheme? The court today has | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
been very clear. That we can require people looking for work to | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
take part in schemes like this, schemes that will help people get | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
back into the labour market. Where the difference of opinion between | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
ourselves and the court was how much detail there should be in | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
regulation. We don't agree with the court's view. We think we should | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
have the capacity to be flexible, to be creative and look at new ways | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
to help people into work. But we respect the cower, we will appeal | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
against it, in the meantime we have laid regulations today to make sure | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
it is business as usual, and make sure we get people on to courses to | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
help them into work. It is not just a difference of opinion, the Court | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
of Appeal has found that a central scheme for this Government, getting | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
people back to work, and using the methods you have is wrong and | :07:25. | :07:31. | |
unlawful? No it has quashed the regulations t hasn't said we can't | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
do it. That is like saying they agreed today is Tuesday, it said | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
any scheme is as such as authorised by parliament and this wasn't, in | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
their opinion? They wanted more detail in the regulations than we | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
had allowed for. We're going to make sure the regulations are in | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
place to do that. Why didn't you do that? What we need to recognise is | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
that people have different needs about how to get into work. Sorry. | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
This is an important point. course it is, but the real point is | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
how you were so incompetent, why were you so incompetent in doing | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
it? Because what we felt was important was to have the | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
flexibility to design schemes to help people back into work, rather | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
than have the unprescribeed regulation set out in fine detail. | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
We have to respond quickly to what is happening in the labour market | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
and find work. Fine detail is telling parliament what you are | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
going to do and have parliamentary authorisation, such as authorised | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
by parliament, this is not a legal hiccup it is a major blow? It is | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
not a major blow. What is happening as a consequence of the regulations | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
laid to is business as usual. Job centres refer people on to the work | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
programme and on to schemes that help people get the experience that | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
they need to get back into work. The fundamental point at the heart | :08:44. | :08:49. | |
of the debate is was this forced labour, were people being forceded | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
into slavery. That was another issue? This is hardly a vindication | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
of you, to be declared by the Court of Appeal that you operated a | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
scheme in which the regulations were unlawful, is not a | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
vindication? I think it is right for the taxpayer to expect that | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
people are looking for work accept the help we offer them. That is at | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
the heart of it. There is a difference of opinion about how | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
much detail should be in regulation. We have tackled that, and that is | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
why people will be back on the schemes. We do need to give people | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
the help they need to get back into work. This is what we are aiming to | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
do. How much provision have you made in terms of how much public | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
money you are going to have to spend to the 130,000 people that | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
your department says, who have been sanctioned on various schemes, | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
which have now been found to be unlawful? I don't think the tax- | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
payers expect anyone who has broken the rules to get repaid benefits | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
money. You have made no provision? We are very clear that people | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
should be taking part in these schemes F they don't take part in | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
the schemes they have broken their contract with the Government and | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
the tax-payers. It helps them back into work. We do not believe it is | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
appropriate to repay this money. Two people have won their cases of | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
the 129, 998, they could also make claims against you, couldn't they? | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
That is why I think it is clear and it is not in the tax-payers' | :09:59. | :10:05. | |
interest to repay the money. People who are offered help through these | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
schemes should take that. That is their obligation to other tax- | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
payers funding these schemes. you made no provision whatsoever? | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
What we are doing is appealing against the judgment. We don't | :10:15. | :10:20. | |
think it is right. And we're taking this to the Supreme Court. I think | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
it is an important point to resolve. But I think the fundamental point | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
is this, tax-payers expect people who are offered help to take it f | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
they don't take that help to get into work, then they expect those | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
benefit to be removed. That is an important point, I think. Are you | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
saying Cait Reilly and Jamie Wilson were, basically, workshy? I think | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
there are schemes out there to help people back into work. Were they | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
workshy? Are they scroungers? not saying they are scroungers, I'm | :10:47. | :10:53. | |
saying when we offer help we expect people to take it. Miss Reilly said | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
it was a complete waste of time as the experience did not help her get | :10:56. | :11:02. | |
a job. Mr Wilson said he knew it wouldn't help find employment? You | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
want to offer help, but you are offering help they say isn't | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
working for them? That is perfectly reasonable for them to say that? | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
What do people need to get back into work. They say, not what you | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
gave them. I say we need to give people help, that is why we have | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
tailored, personalised support to help people back into work. | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
Sometimes it is a lack of experience on a CV is a barrier to | :11:24. | :11:32. | |
get them into work. So stacking shelves in Poundland and cleaning | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
cars is what graduateed need? Somebody who has demonstrated an | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
ability to turn up on time, knowing what it is like to be employed and | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
part of a team. The work experience we offer helps that. These are | :11:45. | :11:47. | |
effective schemes for getting people back into work. I don't | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
think people should be allowed to turn the schemes down if they are | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
looking for work. Many people will agree but, the courts want you to | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
do it correctly and you accept that point? We will appeal that point. | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
There are doubts over the prove fishcy of some of the private | :12:01. | :12:11. | |
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agencies, A -- proficient sis, A 4. E, for example, and only 3.5% of | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
those in place stayed long enough to get the payment. You would | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
expect it to be 5%. You are doing something? 200,000 people found | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
work through the work programme in the first few months. 3.5% of the | :12:25. | :12:31. | |
people, not 5%? The people on the work programme have been without | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
work for over a year. There is real barriers to tackle. Through the | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
work programme we have personalised support. I don't think it is right | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
for people to feel free to turn down these schemes to say they | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
don't want to be part of that, and expect the taxpayer to pick up the | :12:47. | :12:54. | |
deal bill, tax-payers expect people to look for work and accept the | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
help we give them. In a moment, what's in the burgers | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
and kebabs you have been eating, now British processors have been | :13:01. | :13:11. | |
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raided. First, among the many forgotten victims of Muammar | :13:12. | :13:18. | |
Gaddafi's dictatorship in Libya, are those in the embassy shootings | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
in Britain, Yvonne Fletcher was killed. The 11 anti-protestors hit | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
that day have remained silent for fear of reprisals, with Gaddafi | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
gone, they are able to tell the story for the first time. Two have | :13:31. | :13:37. | |
spoken to Newsnight's Glenn Campbell. | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
It is just like it happened yesterday. I feel like the whole | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
thing is a dream. I remember it every day of my life, I was facing | :13:47. | :13:57. | |
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death here. I could be dead the same day as Yvonne Fletcher died. | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
Peaceful protest is part of every day life in London. And policing | :14:02. | :14:07. | |
demonstrations like this is a matter of routine for the | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
Metropolitan force, but it was at a demonstration of about this size, | :14:11. | :14:17. | |
here in St James's square, that Yvonne Fletcher was killed and 11 | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
others wounded. And 30 years on, the case is still open, because no- | :14:21. | :14:31. | |
one has ever been brought to justice. Back in 1984, Colonel | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
Gaddafi was a major exporter of terrorism. He ordered murder of his | :14:36. | :14:41. | |
Libyan opponents throughout the world. It was the Libyan | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
RevolutionyRy Committee's job to hunt down these called stray dogs. | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
By the 17th of April the revolutionaries had taken complete | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
control of the Libyan embassy in London. | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
The night before that fateful day, the British ambassador in Tripoli | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
received a warning. I came back quite late in the evening after | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
dinner to the embassy and found a message saying would I go around | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
immediately to the Foreign Ministry. I went round wondering what the | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
hell was going on. It was midnight. I found one of the senior people in | :15:12. | :15:18. | |
the Foreign Ministry with another man, who I believe was a | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
Revolutionary committee representative, I didn't know him. | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
They told me there was a demonstration outside their office | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
in London the following morning, and I was to get it stopped. And I | :15:27. | :15:35. | |
said, in effect, you must be joking, you have had demonstrations outmy | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
embassy and you protected it and the same thing happens in London. | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
They said this is different and it must be stopped. It must be stopped. | :15:41. | :15:47. | |
And I said there is no way I can stop it. Oliver Miles reported his | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
conversation to London were two Libyan diplomats urged the Foreign | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
Office to stop the demonstration. An arms dealer informed the police | :15:54. | :16:01. | |
of the considerable arsenal inside the Libyan embassy. GCHQ | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
intercepted a telegram from Gaddafi's Government giving orders | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
to use violence, it was not decoded until after the shootings. A worker | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
putting up the barricades was told by another Libyan that they had | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
guns and were intend to go use them. Later, the anti-terrorist squad, C- | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
13, claimed that had they been aware of all this information, they | :16:20. | :16:27. | |
would have cancelled the demo. came here to deliver a very strong | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
message to Gaddafi's regime. The stop the harassment for the | :16:32. | :16:39. | |
political prisoners. Gaddafi kills students! Gaddafi | :16:39. | :16:45. | |
hangs students! The atmosphere was extremely bonderful. We were all | :16:45. | :16:52. | |
heart-to-heart. We were all gathered and with a strong will. We | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
had been calling for this for a long time. We had never bowed down | :16:56. | :17:06. | |
to Gaddafi or his ideas, or his pathetic green book of theories, or | :17:06. | :17:13. | |
the revolution committees. Revolutionary Committee ordered a | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
counter demonstration by Gaddafi supporter, the atmosphere was noisy | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
and tense. Those opposed to the Libyan regime had no idea what was | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
about to happen. I remember Yvonne Fletcher and her great smile. She | :17:25. | :17:30. | |
stood right in front of me. And I stood about, I would say, about | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
here, I was facing the embassy, you know. She stood right in front of | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
me. And she had her hands behind her back like this. I remember her | :17:38. | :17:44. | |
saying good morning, she had a great smile on her face. I remember | :17:44. | :17:51. | |
she was smiling, yeah, she had a smile. And her standing for her | :17:51. | :18:01. | |
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duty, basically. Then we just started chanting "down, down to | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
Gaddafi", "stop the killing", things like this. A few seconds | :18:06. | :18:12. | |
later the firing started. (gunfire) We thought it would be a major | :18:12. | :18:18. | |
fight happening between us and them. But to be honest I have never | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
expected it could be a serious machine gun out of beautiful | :18:22. | :18:31. | |
Georgian buildings. I saw her fall when the shot happened. And she was | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
squeezing her stomach. It must have been very painful for her. She was | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
going down. I was looking at her. I remember when I got shot I was very | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
hot. All the demonstrators were falling over each other. When the | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
police were shouting at us to move, because people were piling on top | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
of each other, I tried to move but I fell on the ground, that is when | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
I started shouting to the police, that I had been hit, I had been hit. | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
I remember a couple of guys carrying me, as quickly as they can | :18:59. | :19:06. | |
to safety. There was 11 people shot, and obviously Yvonne Fletcher was | :19:06. | :19:13. | |
12. I would say we were quite lucky because nobody else was skilled. | :19:13. | :19:19. | |
The The men were seriously wounded by sub mn gunfire that police | :19:19. | :19:24. | |
believe came from within the building. Because of fear of | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
reprisals by Gaddafi's henchmen, both have kept quiet until now, | :19:29. | :19:35. | |
both men want to know who attacked them. Those murders were committed | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
by individuals who knew the policy was to rub out oppositionists, and | :19:40. | :19:46. | |
didn't need direct orders to do so. In view of what I have told you | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
about the message made through me to the Foreign Ministry in Tripoli, | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
we can rule that out in the case of Yvonne Fletcher. It must have been | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
ordered from Tripoli, I think. Logically, I don't know now that, | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
but that is what I'm assuming, I deduce from the way that things | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
developed. So that now, you might say we are not just looking for the | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
man who fired the gun, we are looking for the man who ordered him | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
to fire the gun, or the men who did that. It may be that whoever pulled | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
the trigger was allowed to walk away. After an 11-day siege, all | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
Libyan diplomats were thrown out of the country. Britain had no | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
diplomatic relations with Libya for the next 15 years. By the time Tony | :20:26. | :20:32. | |
Blair emed Colonel Gaddafi in 2004, lib -- embraced Colonel Gaddafi in | :20:33. | :20:35. | |
2004, Libya had taken responsibility for Yvonne | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
Fletcher's death and paid compensation to her family. Libya's | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
Prime Minister last year paid his respected at the Yvonne Fletcher | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
memorial, last year, and promised the post-revolutionary authorities | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
would help find her killer. The Metropolitan Police have never | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
forgotten their fallen colleague, officers have visited Libya several | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
times, but have not yet made any arrests. | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
I'm, quite frankly, very disappointed and concerned about | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
the lack of progress that has been made on this issue. Libya has now | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
been a free country forecoming up to two years, and it is very | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
important -- for coming up to two years, and it is very important | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
that our own country gets some immediate feedback from the Libyans | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
as to what files will be opened up, and what access will be given to | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
the Metropolitan Police and others who are still officially | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
investigating this matter. You have to remember that in Libyan eyes | :21:28. | :21:34. | |
this is not a big priority. It obviously is a crime, and there | :21:34. | :21:39. | |
they are ashamed of the fact that a British woman was murdered. No | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
doubt they are ashamed of the fact that Libyans were also injured, and | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
some of those Libyans are now very much respected, and in some cases | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
in positions of authority. There is some drive. But compared with the | :21:51. | :21:57. | |
other crimes which took place under the Gaddafi regime, this is small | :21:57. | :22:04. | |
beer. When Gaddafi's Foreign Minister | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
Moussa Koussa defect today London during the revolution, he was | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
questioned about the Lockerbie bombing, some victims of the | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
embassy shootings believe he can help solve their case too. | :22:13. | :22:20. | |
police don't have to go far, go to Qatar and Jordan to Moussa Koussa, | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
he is the man and knows about this more than anybody else. The one man | :22:24. | :22:31. | |
who may hold the key to who opened fire on the protest outside the | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
embassy is Colonel Gaddafi's former intelligence chief. He's described | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
as the black box of the Gaddafi regime and the crimes it committed. | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
He was extradited from Moritania to Libya, where he's currently | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
languishing in prison. But so far the Metropolitan Police have not | :22:49. | :22:57. | |
been to interview him. The Libyans have one of the best witness, which | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
is Mr Abdullah. We need to find out if he has spoken about this. We | :23:01. | :23:08. | |
need to find out from the Libyan regime if there are steps being | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
taken right now to find out who did it. I think he will be critical. He | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
has spent three decades being the most senior security intelligence | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
chief for Gaddafi. If anybody knows who was behind this, it will be him, | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
it will be him. It is extremely important that the Metropolitan | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
Police are given access to him in prison. The man who is usually | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
regarded as the evil genius of Gaddafi, and who was thought to be | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
responsible for all his crimes, Abdullah Sanusi, if he was | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
responsible for this, they will want to pin the crime on him. But | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
not before they have dealt with the prison massacre in by 1200 Libyans | :23:51. | :23:53. | |
were killed. There were many victims of the Gaddafi regime. But | :23:54. | :24:00. | |
those shot and wounded on a sunny day in St James's square, are tired | :24:00. | :24:06. | |
of -- St James's Square are tired of waiting for justice for | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
themselves and Yvonne Fletcher. angry that nobody has been brought | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
to justice. It has been 28 years, we need it find out who did it. | :24:14. | :24:19. | |
like justice to be implemented. This is a matter of life and death. | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
As a result of that an innocent young woman, doing her duty, got | :24:24. | :24:31. | |
killed for that. I think it has to be justice done. | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
We have further developments, what has been going on? It has emerged | :24:36. | :24:38. | |
that police investigating the embassy shootings have made a | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
fourth visit to Libya, since the revolution. The Metropolitan Police | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
has confirmed that detectives flew to Tripoli on Sunday, and were | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
returning to the UK today, having met with Libyan officials to | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
discuss how a joint investigation into Yvonne Fletcher's murder and | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
the other shootings can be taken forward. Now this follows David | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
Cameron's recent visit to Libya, where he announced new co-operation | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
with the Lockerbie bombing investigation, Downing Street | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
confirming today that he also raised the Fletcher case with his | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
Libyan counterpart. They say they have been getting good co-operation | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
from the new Government in Libya. So whilst there has been many false | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
dawns in this case. I think the Fletcher family, the others who | :25:23. | :25:29. | |
were shot and wounded that day, as the 29th anniversary of the | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
shootings draws nearer, I think they will feel that justice is | :25:33. | :25:40. | |
perhaps more within grasp now than ever before. One of the few | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
consolations about the horse meat scandal has been that British | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
slaughterhouses and meat processing plants were believed not to be | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
involved. In fact, yesterday the National Beef Association suggested | :25:51. | :25:57. | |
stamping the words "United Kingdom origin" on packaging so we could | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
trust what we are eating. Tonight things look a bit different, police | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
and Food Standards Agency officials raided the Peter Boddy Licensed | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
Slaughterhouse in Yorkshire, and Farmbox Meats in west Wales, and | :26:09. | :26:15. | |
the FSA has said horse meat has ended up in burgers and kebabs. The | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
minister, Owen Paterson, was outraged. It is outrageous that we | :26:19. | :26:27. | |
found the meat here. We will be following it up with the full | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
rigour of the powers invested in the Food Standards Agency. If there | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
is criminal activity I expect the police to bring in the full force | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
of the criminal law. We have the details. What actually happened in | :26:40. | :26:47. | |
these raids? Of course, this is an on going investigation, these are | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
allegations not yet proven. Having said that the FSA did confirm to us | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
tonight that they have definitely found horse meat purporting to be | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
beef. They said the agency and the police are looking into the | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
circumstances through which meat products, purporting to be meat for | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
kebabs and burgers were sold when they were horse. They said they | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
raided these two premises, the Peter Boddy Licensed Slaughterhouse | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
in West Yorkshire, Farmbox Meats in Aberystwyth, they have kept all the | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
meat and stopped production at both place, they have seized paperwork | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
including customer lists. They couldn't tell me tonight who is on | :27:25. | :27:32. | |
the customer lists. BBC Wales managed to speak to the owner of | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
Farmbox Meats in Aberystwyth this evening. He says he has been | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
cutting horse meat on the site for about three weeks. And that it | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
comes from a source in Ireland. Now he said the business is perfectly | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
legitimate and above board. The meat goes to a place that is | :27:46. | :27:51. | |
licensed. Though he didn't say where the meat goes. He said he | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
knew nothing about the second plant in Yorkshire, he's now taking legal | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
advice. We tried to contact the plant in West Yorkshire, we | :27:59. | :28:05. | |
couldn't reach anyone for a comment. Now, all of this is going to make | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
things pretty uncomfortable, I think, for Owen Paterson, when he | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
heads to Brussels for a big European meeting on this. They will | :28:12. | :28:18. | |
look at the network of suppliers and agents behind the processed | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
meat supply chain. Spreading across a number of European countries, we | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
now know, this all started, remember, in Ireland, it has spread | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
to include France, the netherlands and Romania, which, until now, had | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
been under the spotlight. So what else have we been learning today? | :28:36. | :28:41. | |
Interestingly today there has been a suggestion from a former head of | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
food authenticity at the FSA, he now works as a food consultant, | :28:45. | :28:51. | |
this is a Dr Mark Wolf, he believes a decision to reclassify a type of | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
minced meat could have played a part in it. It is meat called | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
desinewed meat, which was used widely in the UK supply and value | :29:01. | :29:08. | |
processed meals, the cheaper meals. Last year European rules said this | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
desinewed meat could not any longer be classified as meat content. He | :29:12. | :29:17. | |
says this forced suppliers to look for cheaper sources outside, the | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
FSA says this change is not to blame. The shadow Environment | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
Minister, Mary Creagh, is with me now. This is pretty shocking, isn't | :29:25. | :29:30. | |
it? It is a very dramatic turn of events, until now we thought it | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
could have been a rogue batch in the Irish plant. Then we had the | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
news from Findus that shows it was more widespread across Europe. The | :29:38. | :29:43. | |
news tonight that horse is being passed off as beef in the UK is a | :29:43. | :29:49. | |
very worrying new development. are here as a spokesperson for your | :29:49. | :29:54. | |
father, as a consumer or mother, would you feed mince, burgers or | :29:54. | :29:59. | |
kebabs to your children now? I look for the red tractor mark, that | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
means it is made, slaught, grown in the UK. I have confidence that the | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
audits that are carried out are proper in the red tractor mark. | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
What is not clear, though, is any food system can withstand systemic | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
cim nat adultation. Once might be an accident, twice might be a | :30:18. | :30:23. | |
coincidence, three is starting to look like a pattern. You look for | :30:23. | :30:27. | |
the red tractor mark, if you are buying a burger or something at a | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
store you haven't a clue? If you are a child at school or patient in | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
a hospital or prisoner in a prison, you don't have those choices either. | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
I have been keen to get advice from the minister about what public | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
sector caters should do. That advice came out very late on Sunday | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
night from the FSA, and basically said to schools and hospitals that | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
you have to check with your suppliers. If we don't know if | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
these companies are dodgy, how do we know where to look and take | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
action. I suppose it all comes down to a question of trust. If you go | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
to any of the big supermarket chains, most of us, most of the | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
time trust what they are selling us. Don't they have a responsibility to | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
look at their suppliers, it is not just the Government or the FSA. | :31:06. | :31:09. | |
Surely they have to find out what is in our meat? They do, and they | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
have reassured me, they have told me about the spot checks that they. | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
Do but clearly, the system has broken down, and broken down in a | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
shre big way. Not just the -- very big way. Not just the supermarket | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
system, after this we will have to see random DNA testing in all | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
supermarket lines. That was mentioned in the debate we had in | :31:29. | :31:32. | |
the House of Commons today. Again, if you are going out and having to | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
get a sandwich or something from anywhere, that you can't actually | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
source the meat yourself, what do you trust, do you trust the stuff | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
you are eating? People have to know where they are buying from, and | :31:43. | :31:47. | |
they have to be not afraid to ask questions. We have seen with a | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
spike in local butcher shops over the weekend reporting a big incos | :31:51. | :31:56. | |
in sales as people go back to local butchers who they know and trust | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
That is also a question of money, everybody now is looking for | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
cheaper stuff, because everybody is suffering one way or another, | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
because of hard times. Therefore, you will get more demand for the | :32:05. | :32:15. | |
stuff you can't trace? I think it is a real gross injustice that this | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
systematic adulteration seems to have been perpetuated. People on | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
lowest incomes, pensioners on ready meals, and students with kebabs, | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
people who don't have much money to spend. Some of those families | :32:27. | :32:29. | |
already tipping over into food poverty, they are finding life very | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
difficult. They trust these products and we have to make sure | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
that the system is fit for purpose and can reassure them about what is | :32:35. | :32:41. | |
safe to eat. In a few hours time Barack Obama | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
will do what US Presidents have done for decades, deliver a State | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
of the Union speech, telling Americans their union is strong. | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
There may be some last-minute revisions. North Korea, which has | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
missiles apparent low capable of reaching the continetal United | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
States, has just staged its third nuclear test. President Obama | :33:00. | :33:05. | |
called it provocative and threatening, his outgoing secretary | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
said North Korea was a serious threat to the United States. Is the | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
simple truth we will have to get used to the fact that one of the | :33:14. | :33:19. | |
world's most bizarre regimes has nuclear bombs and capacity to use | :33:19. | :33:25. | |
them, and that East Asia is a dangerous flash point. | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
The Mercury is rising in north Asia, with a combination of nationalist | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
rivalry, high spending on defence, and war-like rhetoric. Now with the | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
situation already tense, North Korea has chosen to flout UN | :33:38. | :33:43. | |
resolutions and mount a nuclear test. There is a recognition that | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
North Korea is getting better at this. This is becoming less of a | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
theoretical threat down the line, and it is something we are going to | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
have to deal with in the near term that we would really not deal with. | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
So, it is real watershed in terms of North Korea technological | :33:59. | :34:06. | |
development, coming after the missile test in December. | :34:06. | :34:11. | |
North Korea announced a successful test of a device smaller and more | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
powerful than those previously tried, and warned the US in advance | :34:14. | :34:19. | |
they were about to do it. That left the international community, | :34:19. | :34:25. | |
notably the UN Security Council, with little choice but swift | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
condemnation. I strongly condemn Pyongyang's reckless act, which | :34:29. | :34:36. | |
shows outright disregard for the repeated call of the international | :34:36. | :34:41. | |
community to refrain from further provocative measures. The test is a | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
clear and grave violation of the relevant resolutions of the | :34:44. | :34:50. | |
Security Council. And the Americans promised more of the punishment | :34:50. | :34:55. | |
that has so far failed to bring North Korea into compliance. | :34:56. | :35:00. | |
address the persistent danger posed by North Korea's threatening | :35:00. | :35:07. | |
activities, the UN Security Council must and will deliver a swift, | :35:07. | :35:12. | |
credible and strong response, by way of a Security Council | :35:12. | :35:17. | |
resolution, that further comes against the ballistic weapons | :35:17. | :35:26. | |
programmes, and its ability to engage in proliferation activities. | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
The underground test has produced regional shockwaves. Neighbouring | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
China condemned it, but retains an interest in the survival of the | :35:33. | :35:38. | |
north Korean regime. There is another problem, chino Japanese | :35:38. | :35:41. | |
tensions over disputed islands are running high. With the United | :35:42. | :35:47. | |
States bound to both South Korea and Japan by defence agreements, | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
that could produce an international crisis. The Washington position, | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
the position of the Obama add mints traigs, has to take into -- | :35:55. | :36:00. | |
administration, has to take into account that China is in some way a | :36:00. | :36:03. | |
competitor, but also a potential partner, not only in addressing the | :36:03. | :36:08. | |
problem of North Korea, but other global problems. It can't be seen | :36:08. | :36:16. | |
to be locked into defensiveness against North Korea. But there is a | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
limit to their power and control the domestic agenda in both Japan. | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
Certainly in China and to a degree in South Korea. Therefore, the | :36:24. | :36:29. | |
United States is confronting the limitations of what is often | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
described as its "soft power", its ability to win friends and | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
influence people. Japan's new Prime Minister has raised the stakes in | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
his country's maritime dispute with China over the islands. The scope | :36:41. | :36:46. | |
for miscalculation is all the greater, because of new leaderships | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
in China, Japan, north and South Korea. With Korean or Chinese | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
feelings about Japan still heightened by memories of war time | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
brutality, a region of the world long frozen in Cold War certainties | :37:00. | :37:07. | |
now seems to be entering a period of instability. The situation is so | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
tense now that some have compared it to Europe on the eve of World | :37:11. | :37:16. | |
War I. The risk being, that countries with a history of using | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
provocations to dramatise their concerns, might get it wrong, | :37:20. | :37:25. | |
miscalculate, and spark a conflict drawing in the US and China. The | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
only positive aspect to today's news, is that at least those two | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
great Security Council powers can agree, that North Korea's act is | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
provocative and dangerous. If anything it could be a | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
galvanising opportunity for the region. Because it brings South | :37:42. | :37:49. | |
Korea a little closer with Japan. They want to co-operate more, visa | :37:49. | :37:57. | |
advise North Korea. For China it is in, vis a vis, North Korea. And we | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
are going to take stronger defensive actions against North | :38:01. | :38:09. | |
Korea. For each of China and Japanese, maintaining a balancing | :38:09. | :38:15. | |
act will be tough, as increasingly assertive allies throw down | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
challenges. North Korea's test is the latest, but it certainly won't | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
be the last. Before the end of the programme we will have the front | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
pages. First, at a time when Britain is deliberating whether to | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
leave the European Union, there is one country which has been knocking | :38:27. | :38:33. | |
on the EU's doors for years, without success, Turkey. The | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
British Government has been a big supporter of Turkey joining the EU, | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
and the Turkish minister responsible for negotiations is in | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
London tonight to lobby ministers and MPs. We will hear from him in a | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
moment about why Turkey wants to join a club that has gone through | :38:50. | :39:00. | |
:39:00. | :39:00. | ||
an unhappy few years. Over the past six decades the EU has expanded | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
from a handful of states to current membership of 27. It has evolved | :39:04. | :39:09. | |
into the world's biggest trading block and transformed the | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
continent's map. Turkey is one of eight countries hoping to join. It | :39:12. | :39:18. | |
has been a long journey, an associate member since 1963. Turkey | :39:18. | :39:26. | |
applied for full membership in 1987 and has been negotiating terms ever | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
since. Under law countries have to comply with tests to show they are | :39:31. | :39:38. | |
politically, financially and psychologically ready to join. The | :39:38. | :39:47. | |
head of turkey has set a deadline of 2023 to invite them to join the | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
party. Fears over Turkish migration to person Europe remain obstacle. | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
Earlier today I caught up with Turkey's minister responsible for | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
negotiations to join me. Minister, after some 25 years of trying to be | :40:01. | :40:07. | |
a full member of the EU? What 25, 54 years. From the very start. In | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
terms it of the formalities of it, since the 1980s, why are you still | :40:12. | :40:18. | |
trying to become full members of the EU? Because we believe the EU | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
is the grandest peace project of the history of mankind. If it has | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
helped you guys live with the French, despite Waterloo, it shows | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
that it is a very important peace project. But this peace project is | :40:31. | :40:36. | |
still a continental one, but when Turkey joins the EU, we can help | :40:36. | :40:42. | |
transform it to become a global one. But do you think the EU is actually | :40:42. | :40:48. | |
negotiating with you in good faith. Because I've talk today quite a lot | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
of Turkish people who think you have been strung along for years. | :40:51. | :40:56. | |
There are more people in the EU, there are more countries in the EU | :40:56. | :41:06. | |
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who are since seerl in -- sincerely in favour of Turkey's accession, in | :41:06. | :41:13. | |
contrast to others who have other ideas in the back of their mindss. | :41:13. | :41:18. | |
I think in the long -- minds. I think in the long run, this great | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
rent day have you, Turkey and Europe joining together, -- rend | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
day have you, Turkey and Europe joining together, will be based on | :41:28. | :41:36. | |
concrete needs. This is a very important project. It is based on a | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
win-win. If you look at the EU your growth over the last five years has | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
been higher than the EU average. Britain may be getting out of the | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
EU at precisely the point you are joining. How does that, and given | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
that Britain is one of your big supporter, how does that affect the | :41:52. | :41:58. | |
way you look on the EU, a club that some people may actually want to | :41:58. | :42:04. | |
leave? Prime Minister Cameron's messages are very clear. I think | :42:04. | :42:14. | |
these messages will help Europe put itself in order. Put its houz -- | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
house in order and shape. I think we can all work together towards | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
creating a brighter future for all of us. Do you also see the big | :42:22. | :42:27. | |
worry in Britain, and elsewhere, about immigration. There is worries | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
now that many Bulgarians and Romanians when free to travel will | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
come to this country and there won't be jobs for them and it will | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
be a drain .5 million Turkish people? I don't think as concern. | :42:38. | :42:43. | |
We were discussing the Polish plumber concept for years. I | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
haven't seen many Polish plumbers in the UK or France. A lot of | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
people in the UK have seen a lot of Polish plumbers? It is a huge fear | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
that if there was freedom of travel for Turk, many Turk would travel to | :42:56. | :43:03. | |
Europe. About according to German Government -- but according to | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
Germany Government statistic, more Germans are migrate to go Turkey | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
than the other way around. In the aftermath of the economic crisis, | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
prospects of living in Romania, Bulgaria and eventually Turkey, | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
might be better compared to some of the countries who are concerned. | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
will look to see the British immigration to Turkey in the | :43:24. | :43:33. | |
future? Well, there is huge in throw of real estate purchasing by | :43:33. | :43:40. | |
British citizens in Turkey, and the more the merrier. We have bright | :43:40. | :43:44. | |
Mediterranean sun 300 days of the year. And with the British pension | :43:44. | :43:49. | |
salary, they can enjoy a much greater life with higher standard | :43:49. | :43:53. | |
in Turkey compared to what they can hardly afford here in the UK. So | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
they are more than welcome to come. Just a final thought, which is | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
about Turkey's role. You are playing a big role in Syria, and a | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
big role in the Middle East, do you regret the fact that the Americans | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
are not doing more. Perhaps the Europeans haven't woken up to the | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
fact that it is their problem too, and they will have to do more n | :44:13. | :44:20. | |
Syria and the wider Middle East? Syria, on average, 100 people are | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
being killed by their own Government every single day. I I | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
don't think -- I don't think anyone has the right to look the other way. | :44:28. | :44:33. | |
I believe in the fact that nobody is safe until everybody is safe. If | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
we let the current bloodshed continue, it's going to hurt all of | :44:38. | :44:45. | |
us. Therefore, we have to commence our friend in Russia, China, a -- | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
convince our commends in Russia and China to put the necessary leverage | :44:50. | :44:58. | |
on this Assad dictator in Syria, to leave and let Syrian people choose | :44:58. | :45:04. | |
their new democratic Government. Thank you very much. Quick look at | :45:04. | :45:14. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 63 seconds | :45:14. | :46:17. | |
That's it from us tonight. Before we go an item of interest to | :46:17. | :46:26. | |
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cocky, it was thought a real life Condor would attend the singing of | :46:31. | :46:41. | |
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the National Anthem. The condor of # The land of the free | :46:58. | :47:08. | |
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Hello there, a change in our weather through the course of | :47:08. | :47:13. | |
tomorrow, as we start to see more significant snowfall returning, | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
particularly across the higher route of Scotland and northern | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
Englandment even some at lower level for a time, acompany by | :47:21. | :47:26. | |
strong to gale-force gusts of wind. That will cause some problems on | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
the higher routes if you are travelling by car through the | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
afternoon. Across East Anglia and the south-east corner, it is a grey | :47:33. | :47:39. | |
and cold day, dry during daylight showers. Temperatures around 6-8 | :47:39. | :47:45. | |
degrees, rain rather than snow. A period of time of snow, turning | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
back to rain, to finish the day out. For Northern Ireland the rain clors | :47:49. | :47:55. | |
away. A quieter end to the afternoon. -- clears a quieter | :47:55. | :47:57. | |
afternoon. By the middle of the afternoon the significant threat of | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
snow will start to ease away from Scotland. We could see as much as | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
10-15cms to higher ground before clearing through. There will be a | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
spell of snow turning to rain, a milder feel behind double figures | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
during Wednesday afternoon. For England and Wales, again, some snow | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
into the Midland, elsewhere it will be rain, a milder feel from | :48:17. | :48:21. |