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The shocking facts about our healthcare. We lag way behind the | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
best of Europe in treating sick children. Where you live determines | :00:16. | :00:22. | |
what your child gets from the NHS, and lives are being lost. | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
Can it be improved, while the NHS is being organised and money is | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
tight. We will be asking the children's | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
Health Minister to tell us his plans. | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
Also tonight, Greece's ever-longer lines of those seeking asylum, and | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
how the authorities make it very clear they are definitely not | :00:39. | :00:44. | |
wanted. The men who still live here, just | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
yards from the ferry port say that the police raid here almost every | :00:48. | :00:55. | |
night, and it is nearly time for that moment now. So time to leave. | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
This building in Shanghai, is believed to be where the world's | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
most organised and ruthless cyberhackers, working for the | :01:03. | :01:10. | |
Chinese military, are stealing secrets. Or, should we believe | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
Beijing's denials. This is in the Guinness Book of Records, it is my | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
electric shoe. He created one of the most successful British | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
inventions, the wind-up radio, among other things. Now Trevor | :01:20. | :01:30. | |
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Baylis is strapped for cash. Do we fail to protect clever ideas. | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
Good evening, it is a shocking fact that child mortality in Britain is | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
the worst when compared to similar European countries. There is | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
unacceptable variation across the country in the quality of care for | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
children. For example, in the treatment of asthma and diabetes. | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
The words of the Health Minister, Daniel Poulter, who will explain | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
what he intends to do about the shocking fact in a moment. It comes | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
as the Government announced a national pledge aimed at improving | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
the care of children within the NHS, while preparing for wide scale | :02:08. | :02:14. | |
reforms to the service. Diaz Brockhouse has type I, the | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
more dangerous type, of diabetes. She was diagnosed two years ago, | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
when she was just 11.. I did think I was going to die when I was | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
diagnosed with diabetes. I didn't know what it was. All I knew was | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
that there was a type of diabetes that people got when they were | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
overweight. I thought I'm not overweight, how has this happened | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
to me. I was really, really scared. She has to check her blood sugar | :02:38. | :02:45. | |
level several times a day, and take insulin accordingly. Even though | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
she and her parents watch it closely sometimes the levels do | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
rise too far and too fast. Local specialist nurses are expert in | :02:52. | :02:58. | |
this condition, according to the family, some hospital doctors less | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
so. If we have problems out of hours, during the night or the | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
weekends, we have to ring the hospital, and they will bleep the | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
paediatric registrar. We have found that they have really no idea, to | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
be honest. We have conflicting ideas and advice from them. When we | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
talk to the nurses on Monday or Tuesday, they say it shouldn't be | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
done like that. Sometimes they don't know what we are talking | :03:19. | :03:26. | |
about. Once I injected a fast-rate insulin, and we were panicked it | :03:26. | :03:32. | |
could have sent me really low and into a comb ma. We rang up the | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
Regis trairs and they said eat -- registrars and they said eat a lot | :03:37. | :03:44. | |
of cashes, but we asked the nurses and they said, no. I don't want to | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
ring the Regis trars, because I don't trust them. We don't ring any | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
more. We speak to friends, we have a support group speaking to other | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
mothers. Through our own information and our own seeking of | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
information we have learned how to do it ourselves. Their experience | :03:59. | :04:05. | |
shows even at a local level advice can be inconsistent. According to | :04:05. | :04:11. | |
the charity, Diabetes UK, across the country there is inconsistency | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
in the quality of treatment for children with diabetes. We know | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
type I diabetes is a growing problem in children and young | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
people. They need expert care to manage it. That care comes from | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
specialists. We have seen specialist posts being cut and | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
children finding it difficult getting access to them. That is | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
something that really needs to change. In recent years, the health | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
outcomes of British children have been improving. But not as fast as | :04:39. | :04:49. | |
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in other, northern European Today the Health Minister has | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
announced a national pledge to reduce child deaths, more expert | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
treatment is essential. But the ever-leaner Children's Hospital -- | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
in the Evelina Children's Hospital Hospital in south London, doctors | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
provide expert care in many areas. They are planning to spread their | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
expertise, by working more closely in future with other hospitals and | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
GPs. London suffers from fragmentation, that is right. It is | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
something we all acknowledge and want to put right. That's across | :05:20. | :05:27. | |
specialist services. But in our own community, also. -- that is also | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
something we feel passionately about this, in our own community, | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
and bringing the richness we have in our tergsry services here into | :05:35. | :05:43. | |
the kind of -- tertiary services here to other children. | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
In some parts of the country paediatric child health, up to 50% | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
of family doctors had no specialist training in this area. This | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
initiative is intended to put children at the heart of the NHS. | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
By improving information, improving treatment, the aim is to cut child | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
mortality. But it comes at a time when the entire NHS is itself being | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
reformed and restructured. At the same time, the NHS is trying | :06:10. | :06:16. | |
to improve productivity, so it can cope with rising demand. | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
The NHS is a large organisation, but there is only so much change it | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
can cope with at any one time. Having said that, quality is number | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
one, therefore all eyes will be on trying to improve the quality of | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
care across the board for all groups of patients, children as | :06:29. | :06:36. | |
well as adults. Today's pledge is intended to encourage all parts of | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
the NHS to work together to improve children's health. Not only to make | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
care better, but to investigate variations in survival rates across | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
the country. It has been welcomed by some, but others wonder whether | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
it will have an impact everywhere, given the other changes under way | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
in the NHS. Shortly before we came on air I | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
spoke to the Health Minister, Dr Daniel Poulter, from our Ipswich | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
studio. Dr Poulter, if British healthcare | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
for children were really up with the best in Europe, how many lives | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
do you think we could save every year? I think you are absolutely | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
right to point out the fact that in this country there has been for too | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
long an unacceptable variation in the quality of healthcare provided | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
for many children. In some parts of the country we do it very well, in | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
other parts of the country we don't. That's unacceptable, we need to | :07:30. | :07:36. | |
have high standards everywhere. It could be many tens of lives every | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
year that actually we could potentially save, if we did things | :07:40. | :07:46. | |
better in the NHS. Around a quarter of child deaths showed, I'm quoting | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
here, "identifiable failure in the child's direct care". Yet your | :07:51. | :07:56. | |
solution appears to be people signing a pledge, there should be a | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
review and better use of the data. Parents all over the country will | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
think that's not good enough? is a lot more to it than that. | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
First of all, it is about making sure we get sign-up, not just from | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
Government and the NHS, but local authorities, who play a key role in | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
making sure that we look after children and give every child the | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
best start in life. It is also about building on some of the | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
things we have already done since we have been in Government, in | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
particular focusing on the early years, which is is so important in | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
children's health and development. It is also about making sure we put | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
the money into the right place. From April this year, money for all | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
of the NHS will be going into the community. So that actually we can | :08:35. | :08:41. | |
focus on the important preventive care measures, and keep children, | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
in particular those with long-term conditions, like asthma and | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
diabetes, well in their own homes and supported in their communities. | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
We will come on to asthma and diabetes in a moment. Many parents | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
will find it absolutely shocking that up to quarter of all patients | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
are children, but The Royal College of Paediatrics Al-Saadi in many | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
parts of the country, half of GPs have no paediatric health training. | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
That sounds extraordinary, what will do about that? This is exactly | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
why we have to have a system-wide approach to this. It is about The | :09:11. | :09:18. | |
Royal College of GPs, working to improve GPs' training, and looking | :09:18. | :09:23. | |
closely at how to extend GPs' training at the moment. And | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
ensuring there will be mandatory train anything paediatric. | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
mentioned diabetes, in some areas around 6% of children with diabetes | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
are unnecessarily referred to hospitals, in other areas it is | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
seven-times as much, 46%. Why does that happen? It is the fact that in | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
some parts of the country, Newcastle for example, there is a | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
service which is geared up to community-based care, and | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
preventive care. About 1500 young people a year, who don't need to be | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
in hospital, are better supported in the community. Their diabetes is | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
better managed and they are better cared for. Other illnesses, long- | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
term illnesses like asthma, they are better supported within the | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
community. It is not that people don't want to be wicked or bad to | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
our children, there is not people in the NHS deliberately trying to | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
subvert things. Why don't other places follow the best practice, | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
even in Britain, never mind Europe? This is exactly the point that we | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
have made and why we have brought it into focus today, through the | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
pledge we have put across. It is unacceptable that there is that | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
variation in care. And it is about making sure that across the health | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
service we recognise that variation is unacceptable, and we put, for | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
the first time, an at last in place, that shows where care is good and | :10:41. | :10:47. | |
not so good. This comes, of course, after the mess in Staffordshire, | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
also comes with 14 hospital trusts facing investigation. We have the | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
stories about a whistleblower not being listened to because of | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
bureaucracy would rather shut him up. I wonder how serious is the | :11:00. | :11:06. | |
reputational damage to the NHS putting all this together? I'm a | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
doctor, and a Health Minister, I care and love the NHS, that is why | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
I chose to work in it. But it is also about having a grown-up | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
conversation, and saying that because we love the NHS we have to | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
recognise where things need to be better. It is about system-wide | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
change, to prioritise children's health. That is exactly what we are | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
doing through this. It is also about making sure we don't just | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
focus on the community-based cautious but also on the crucial | :11:31. | :11:33. | |
early years, which is why we are putting so much money and | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
investment into increasing the number of health visitors to | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
support young mums and families get the best start in life. It would be | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
very difficult for you, as a health minister even though you love the | :11:43. | :11:50. | |
NHS to tell the people of Britain tonight that the NHS is envy of the | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
world? The NHS is imitated and admired throughout the world. It | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
doesn't matter how much we love the NHS, there is always things that | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
could be done better. We have to be honest about that and face up to | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
the fact if we want to keep the NHS as the envy of the world, if things | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
go wrong we have to put them right. We heard the Prime Minister | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
yesterday saying it was not acceptable for no senior figure in | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
the NHS to take responsibility for the unnecessary deaths in | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
Staffordshire. Is it time for the chief executive of the NHS, David | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
Nicholson to resign. You are the Health Minister, he's the Prime | :12:25. | :12:31. | |
Minister, clearly you are unhappy? The Prime Minister made clear when | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
he made the statement about Staffordshire immediately | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
afterwards, it wasn't about picking one or two scapegoat, but it was | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
about learning systematic lessons. David Nicholson can consider his | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
own position. But at the moment we accept the fact that he, like many | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
other people, has made an apology for what he has done. We now need | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
to move on and make sure we never let another Mid Staffordshire | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
Hospital happen again. That have the Health Minister. | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
In a moment, the latest Greek crisis, unwanted migrants, and the | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
inventor of the clockwork radio, and why patent protection laws are | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
a wind up. I thought don't worry, you'll get your money back, and did | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
I? No. When it comes to refugees and | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
migrants Greece is the front door of Europe. At one point last year | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
300 people a day were crossing Greece's land border with Turkey | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
illegally. Now there is a crackdown, a mass round up has seen 77,000 | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
picked up off the streets in six months. These are the figures, but | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
behind them countless human stories. Paul Mason has been to Greece to | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
hear one man's account of his journey through the system. A | :13:43. | :13:50. | |
system which, as you will hear, is in dire need of reform. | :13:50. | :13:56. | |
Once this was the biggest textile factory in Greece. Today is lies | :13:56. | :14:03. | |
abandoned, and is famous for something else. | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
When I filmed here a year ago, hundreds of migrants were squatting | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
in the factory, desperate to get out of Greece, and scathing about | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
the way this country treats them. This is not Europe. It doesn't feel | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
like Europe, why? I used to live London, this is not Europe. Then my | :14:20. | :14:28. | |
guide was this man, Mohammed in red, a Moroccan, living in the factory. | :14:28. | :14:38. | |
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Back then, as we left the place, I never expected to see him again. | :14:38. | :14:45. | |
Today the factory looks quiet, deserted. There has been a big | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
police round up of the migrants, and the whole place, at first sight, | :14:50. | :14:57. | |
looks empty. So what's happened to the men who lived here? Well, | :14:57. | :15:04. | |
thanks to luck and Facebook, I'm about to find out. Mohammed, the | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
man who took me in here a year ago has tracked me down from inside a | :15:08. | :15:18. | |
prison cell. Now, he wants to tell his story. | :15:18. | :15:23. | |
The story of one man on a journey from Africa to Europe via a country | :15:23. | :15:30. | |
in crisis. How did so many men end up living | :15:30. | :15:36. | |
in that factory at the port? TRANSLATION: They couldn't find | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
anywhere else to stay, the factory was empty, we started going in | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
there to sleep. We slept in the suers, because the police came -- | :15:44. | :15:50. | |
sewers, because the police came and looked for us every day. The mice | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
and rats used to run over us. But life in the abandoned factory | :15:53. | :16:00. | |
was soon to end. Two months after we filmed there, it came under | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
attack by local people and busloads of protestors from the far right | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
party, Golden Dawn. Only the riot police stood between | :16:09. | :16:17. | |
them and the migrants. TRANSLATION: They hit people, we thought if they | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
find one of us they will kill them, because they are fascists. The | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
police had to stop them coming in. My friends were afraid. But | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
immigrants don't really understand what is going on around them. They | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
have only one thing on their mind, that is to leave Greece. They are | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
not interested in Golden Dawn. With hostility to the migrants | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
growing, last August the Government launched a sustained police | :16:39. | :16:45. | |
operation to find and detain those with no right to be here. | :16:45. | :16:53. | |
Is it called Operation Xenios Zeus, this is how it works. | :16:53. | :16:59. | |
The Greek police have given us access to an Operation Xenios Zeus | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
raid into the square, one of the main squares of Athens. The police | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
invited us along, on condition we masked the faces of all involved. | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
They stopped people on the streets, checked their papers. This man has | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
the vital pink card, saying he's claimed asylum. But it is only a | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
photocopy. In this, one of the poorest areas in Athens, the wider | :17:23. | :17:30. | |
impact is to create tension. This is why many migrants choose to | :17:30. | :17:36. | |
stay at home as much as possible. Why is he being stopped? He tells | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
me he's from Bangladesh, he has been here eight months, and lives | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
nearby. The police have destained 77,000 | :17:44. | :17:52. | |
people, like this, in the past six months. And sent 4,000 to detention | :17:52. | :18:01. | |
centres to await deportation. Mohammed was one of them. | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
TRANSLATION: I was asleep when they came in, 20 or 30 policemen to pick | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
up five migrants. With so many, you are afraid. They take to you the | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
police station, then the court, and transport you directly to the camp. | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
There was no hearing? TRANSLATION: There was no justice. I didn't | :18:17. | :18:24. | |
understand anything, from the police to the camp. Why? They took | :18:24. | :18:32. | |
him to a detention centre, a former military camp in Corinth. "death or | :18:32. | :18:38. | |
the fatherland" says the far right graffiti on the wall. This is the | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
camp in Corinth where he was taken. Filming is not allowed at the | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
perimeter. The idea was by rounding up immigrants en masse and | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
detaining them like this, it would deter others. There is evidence | :18:51. | :18:56. | |
that it has worked, but not on the scale it would need to solve | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
Greece's problem with migration. No journalists have been allowed to | :19:00. | :19:05. | |
film inside, but while Mohammed was there, a visitor secretly took | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
these shots. TRANSLATION: conditions are very bad. The meals | :19:09. | :19:15. | |
were not good. There were no blankets, no hot showers, only cold | :19:15. | :19:21. | |
water. I went two month without a shower. They played with our state | :19:21. | :19:27. | |
of minds to make us leave the country. We started a hunger strike, | :19:27. | :19:34. | |
but it was ended because they hit us, they didn't let us continue. | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
At refugee centres across Greece, the impact of Operation Xenios Zeus | :19:38. | :19:46. | |
was clear. Many people are not coming as often as they used to, | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
because they are afraid of leaving their houses. The impression that I | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
have is Greek authorities are trying to deliver a message, and | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
the message is do not come here, you are not welcome. | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
But, if that is the message, it is not getting through. These ferry | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
boats to Italy and beyond are like a magnet to illegal migrants trying | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
to enter the rest of Europe, and to the criminal gangs who take them | :20:12. | :20:21. | |
there. Mohammed has managed to lodge an | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
asylum claim, but back at the factory, which is supposed to be | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
secured, it didn't take him long to help us find the men still living | :20:29. | :20:36. | |
there illegally. Where are you from? Brazil. Where are you going? | :20:36. | :20:46. | |
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The ship. Turkey. Next, where next are you going? Britannia. | :20:46. | :20:56. | |
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Glasgow. Why Glasgow? Bonita La viva. As I was about to find out, | :21:02. | :21:09. | |
the numbers are being swelled by new conflicts. How are you? Guys, | :21:09. | :21:17. | |
can we come in? OK, where are you from? Syria. Can you just speak | :21:17. | :21:23. | |
Arabic to this guy, where are you from in Syria, which city? Aleppo. | :21:23. | :21:29. | |
Because of the war. What about this guy, where are you from? Algeria. | :21:29. | :21:38. | |
How long have you been here? Eight or nine months. Where do you want | :21:38. | :21:48. | |
:21:48. | :21:52. | ||
The men who sleep here know the ferry timetable off by heart. They | :21:52. | :21:58. | |
told us they had each paid 3,000- 4,000 euros to get this far. | :21:58. | :22:05. | |
The men who still live here just yarbdz from the ferry -- yards from | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
the ferry port say the police raid here almost every night. It is | :22:09. | :22:17. | |
nearly time for that moment now, so, time to leave. | :22:17. | :22:25. | |
Every migrant has a different story. Mohammed has a degree, and he has | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
left Morocco because he wants to live a secular lifestyle there and | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
claims he can't. TRANSLATION: It took four-and-a- | :22:33. | :22:39. | |
half hours of flying, Morocco to Turkey, kas blan ka to Istanbul. | :22:39. | :22:48. | |
From Turkey he made four attempts to cross the Evros River into | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
Greece. TRANSLATION: There were me and Afghans in the boat, after ten | :22:51. | :22:57. | |
minutes the boat capsized, we had to swim for it. The boat turned | :22:57. | :23:03. | |
over? TRANSLATION: Three of the Afghans couldn't swim and they | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
drowned. We have no way of verifying that claim, just as we | :23:07. | :23:14. | |
can't verify the stories of thousands of others. But for now, | :23:14. | :23:20. | |
he's in limbo, his asylum claim entitles him to stay in Greece. For | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
the rest he's entitled on volunteers like this woman who runs | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
a volunteer language school. What is happening about the asylum | :23:29. | :23:36. | |
procedure is that only one organisation is charged with the | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
responsibility to help people to provide the legal assistance to | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
apply for asylum. But actually the police only gives one appointment | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
per week to the Red Cross. So you can imagine that we have a big list | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
of hundreds of people who want to apply for asylum, but, in fact, | :23:55. | :24:02. | |
they can't, because one appointment per week is so little, it is like | :24:02. | :24:10. | |
nothing. In fact, in Greece, it is almost | :24:10. | :24:15. | |
impossible to claim asylum. Here is why. In Athens, every Friday night, | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
a queue of migrants forms. Some of these men have been here since | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
Wednesday. Only at this one place in the city can you actually claim | :24:26. | :24:35. | |
asylum. But the police take only 20 claims a week. The selection | :24:36. | :24:38. | |
process has been described as abitary, the police say it is | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
improved. We were ordered to leave before it took place, and told they | :24:43. | :24:51. | |
would be kept here until we did. With 200 migrants queuing, and 20 | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
let in, once per week, that is a one in ten chance. It doesn't stop | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
people coming. We asked to speak to a minister, | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
and to the police spokesperson about the allegations of | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
mistreatment inside the Corinth camp, and about the deficiencies of | :25:06. | :25:11. | |
the system. The Greek Government declined our request. | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
The they directed us to speak to this woman, the head of a new | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
asylum service, a service that as yet has no powers. The experience | :25:20. | :25:26. | |
we have had, following one guy through the asylum system, reveals | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
to us just one fundamental problem, it doesn't work. Do you accept that | :25:31. | :25:36. | |
the present system doesn't work? Let me put it this way, the asylum | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
system in Greece hasn't worked for many years. For a number of | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
different reasons we don't have to go into now. In 2011, the Greek | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
Government was found to have breached the European Convention on | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
Human Rights, over the conditions migrants were being detained in. It | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
pledged to change. It is two years on from the | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
judgment, it is two years on from the action plan, and still we find | :25:59. | :26:04. | |
out in the port we were in, 300, 200 asylum seekers, in the freezing | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
cold, lying on the ground, 20 people only selected. That can't be | :26:08. | :26:16. | |
right. You are not fulfiling their human rights? Well, as I just said | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
this is one of the problems, difficult access to the asylum | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
procedure in Greece, which the new asylum service is supposed to | :26:23. | :26:29. | |
address. We are gearing up for that. We are recruiting many people. We | :26:29. | :26:34. | |
expect to have upwards of 250 new staff members for the asylum | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
service. This is a very big investment, and it is very new. | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
for Mohammed, and men like him, she has this message. They may have to | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
be in an illegal situation for years and years and years, and | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
there is a big price for that. People have to really think and | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
take the right information before they make this sort of decision for | :26:54. | :26:59. | |
their lives. Greece, however, seems to have the illusion, that the | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
harsher they are treated and the more ignored they are, the more | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
likely it was they would stop, that didn't work, did it? That is why | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
things are changing. Mohammed has now moved to this abandoned | :27:11. | :27:17. | |
farmhouse, miles away from Patris, when I meet him he has news. This | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
is my house. After our first interview, he was again detained by | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
the police, he told me the police said his clothes were too new. It | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
was only for one night, but he and his friend do their best to stay | :27:31. | :27:37. | |
out of sight and out of trouble. You are sleeping there? Me and my | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
friend. All four of you sleep here? Why do so many men choose to live | :27:44. | :27:49. | |
in conditions like this, it is just a hard life. Travelling, being | :27:49. | :27:56. | |
lifted by the police, always insecure, why? TRANSLATION: It is | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
because we have an objective, we don't stay here just to kill time. | :28:00. | :28:07. | |
Whether it's here or on the road, our objective is to leave. | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
You just want to go. This is the objective. I want to go. | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
There is no chance that they can stop the flow of migrants into | :28:16. | :28:22. | |
Europe. No. With TRANSLATION: they want Europe. They want to come. | :28:22. | :28:28. | |
It is a hope, it is an objective. For some, Europe is a paradise. You | :28:28. | :28:34. | |
have to reach it. That is one man's story, he told me some of those I | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
met in the factory a year ago have already made it to northern Europe. | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
It is the possibility of getting there that makes men like Mohammed | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
keep on coming. Because, though he's biding his time now, northern | :28:47. | :28:53. | |
Europe is where he intends to finish up. | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
A highly secretive branch of the Chinese military is behind the | :28:57. | :28:59. | |
hacking of information from the computers of organisations around | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
the world. That's the view of Mandiant, an American cybersecurity | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
firm, working for the New York Times, who were themselves hacked. | :29:07. | :29:13. | |
They called the Chinese hackers probably one of the world's most | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
prolific cyberespionage groups. Who exactly are these people, and what | :29:16. | :29:23. | |
are they offer? What did the New York Times reveal? | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
They published details of this report by this company, as you say, | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
a private enterprise company. So far this issue of Chinese cyber- | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
warfare, or intelligence-gathering, has been plaged with claim and | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
counter claim. It has been rather insubstantial, frankly, an awful | :29:38. | :29:43. | |
lot of allegations made. China, of course, denying them, as you would | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
expect. This is homing in, and it shows a way in which, more broadly, | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
this is becoming a much more difficult issue for Governments | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
like the US and UK, we will talk about them in a moment, to handle. | :29:55. | :30:00. | |
What Mandiant did, they tracked 140 cyber-attacks forensically. They | :30:00. | :30:05. | |
got past the normal re-routing and things that hackers do, and tracked | :30:05. | :30:11. | |
them. What did they find. If we look at the map they found that 90% | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
of those 140 attacks that they looked into came from Shanghai. And | :30:15. | :30:21. | |
n fact, when they went right in there to Pudong, the new city part | :30:21. | :30:27. | |
of the financial area of Shanghai, it was a specific area of Pudong, | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
this building, or the area immediately around this building, | :30:30. | :30:37. | |
which is known to house unit 61398, or part of it, which is part of the | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
Chinese military service. Mandiant says that 3,000 different IP | :30:40. | :30:45. | |
addresses can be traced to this building or the very near | :30:45. | :30:53. | |
neighbourhood of this building. Some foot ablg -- footage of it t | :30:53. | :30:59. | |
and the symbol of the people's Chinese state. They are pinpointing | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
the Chinese state in a way we haven't seen before. Does that mean | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
the case is proved against China or not? Of course, China today has | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
denied these new charges, saying they are unprofessional, and it is | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
a frame-up, if you like. But, as far as the US Government is | :31:14. | :31:21. | |
concerned, it does seem to be proven. This is now, of course, | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
generating pressure for action. Questions tonight at the White | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
House, leading the White House spokesman to say they have raised | :31:28. | :31:33. | |
the question repeatedly with the Chinese authorities. Report of s of | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
findings by the President last week to share intelligence about where | :31:36. | :31:43. | |
the Chinese attacks are coming from, not just IP addresses, with | :31:43. | :31:45. | |
internet service providers to protect themselves better against | :31:45. | :31:50. | |
this type of threat. It is crystalising into a more solid | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
issue in relations between China and other states. Where does | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
Britain figure in this? Are we a target, as far as we know? It is | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
definitely the case that the UK is also a target. Once again, there | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
have been these issues. Is this being done by commercial entities | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
in China for commercial gain, in which case that is industrial | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
espionage that is going on for a long time. Or is this directed by | :32:13. | :32:18. | |
elements of the Chinese state, like the cyber-warfare unit they were | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
referring to earlier. There has been some reporting that there is a | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
split in the cabinet between William Hague and Mr Clegg on the | :32:25. | :32:32. | |
one hand, and Mr Cameron and Osbourne on the other hand. The | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
Clegg-William Hague tendency is confront more directly, the others | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
allegedly not. I'm told the issue has been intensively discussed in | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
the cabinet, and one of the key issues is not the vulgar one of | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
what commercial gain would be lost if Britain made more of a fuss. But | :32:48. | :32:54. | |
if we reveal to the Chinese exactly what we know about cyber-attacks, | :32:54. | :32:56. | |
especially in Government organisations, eminating from | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
places like, that will we blow our own defence. That is beginning to | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
field like quite a Cold War argument. The need to protect | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
sources and methods of intelligence, beginning to condition the | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
diplomacy. Before the end of the programme we | :33:10. | :33:15. | |
will have tomorrow morning's front pages. But first, when it comes to | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
winning Nobel Prizes, Britain comes second only to the United States. | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
And yet this country's reputation for genius has often been | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
undermined by the failure to make money from any of these great ideas. | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
As part of the potential solution, today a new Patent Court was set up, | :33:30. | :33:35. | |
working for the whole of the EU, but based in London. One long-time | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
campaigner on the issue is Trevor Baylis, who created the clockwork | :33:38. | :33:42. | |
radio, hailed as one of the top 50 British inventions ever. He would | :33:42. | :33:48. | |
like to see, not just an EU-wide, but a universal patent system. And | :33:48. | :33:54. | |
thinks patent infringement should be a criminal rather than civil | :33:54. | :34:01. | |
crime. Mr Baylis this week revealed that far from being rich, he may | :34:01. | :34:11. | |
:34:11. | :34:13. | ||
have to sell up his home in Eel Pie Island,. It is an intention of my | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
electric shoe, when you put your foot down, a little tweak of | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
electricity comes through and is injected into our mobile phone | :34:22. | :34:28. | |
battery, in the side pack. My name is Trevor Baylis, I call | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
myself an inventor. This workshop is where it all began. This is the | :34:32. | :34:38. | |
graveyard of a thousand domestic appliances. | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
I'm known, I guess, for making the clockwork radio. That's how I wound | :34:43. | :34:53. | |
it up. Let's see if it still works? I was watching a programme about | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
the spread of HIV and AIDS in Africa, they said the only way to | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
stop the dreadful disease cutting its way to all those places was | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
through the radio, a means of communication. But there was a | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
problem, most people in Africa didn't have electricity. And the | :35:09. | :35:15. | |
only other form of electricity was in the form of batteries, which | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
were horrendously expensive. I was thinking to myself, hang on, all | :35:18. | :35:24. | |
those years ago I can see myself with an old fashioned gramophone. I | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
thought you wind this thing up, and you can get all that noise by | :35:28. | :35:35. | |
dragging a rusty nail around a piece of old bak-o-lite as it were, | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
and that produces sound. There must be enough energy in the | :35:39. | :35:46. | |
spring to drive the radio, I thought. | :35:46. | :35:51. | |
There is only one arm, there is the bottle, that gois there. | :35:51. | :35:58. | |
Now -- Goes there. Now you can undo the top, or tighten it up. Then it | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
undoes it for you, here we are. Everybody's doing their own version | :36:03. | :36:11. | |
of a wind-up torch, radio, so on. What they do is circumnavigate your | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
invention. Like the handle turns this way, they make it so it goes | :36:15. | :36:21. | |
the other way, it is different to yours. They can play very dodgy | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
manoeuvres in order to claim it to be theirs. Because theirs is | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
subtley different. If I put that on there and point it towards the | :36:30. | :36:35. | |
camera, wherever I take my chariot the sign looks at you. That is | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
Meccano, we are not talking high- tech, high-tech, we are talking low | :36:40. | :36:45. | |
tech, low tech. You only have to look back through time, the United | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
Kingdom, the empire it was. The empire of steam, steam engines and | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
locomotives went all around the world. There are so many things we | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
have created and done over the years. We are great at inventing, | :36:56. | :37:01. | |
but alas now, the people that are supposed to run our innovation | :37:01. | :37:08. | |
units, or look after the inventors treat me, amongst other people, | :37:08. | :37:17. | |
like dirt. In other words, don't invent! Most of us don't have all | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
the skills we need to bring a product to market. You have to | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
appreciate that some people have the most amazing ability to change | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
all our lives socially and commercially. For instance, we have | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
all got paper clips, right. How many of us actually know who made | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
the paper clip? And yet these people that change all our lives, | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
we don't even know who they are. That is disgusting, really. Because | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
we have got to encourage this nation to literally get off its | :37:46. | :37:53. | |
back side and have a gone, and we have to make sure that UK Plc will | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
stand behind the lone inventor. I have no problem with products being | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
made in China, Timbuktu, India, they will make a profit, fine, but | :38:02. | :38:07. | |
the most important thing is the British economy doesn't suffer as a | :38:07. | :38:12. | |
result of it. That the inventor, he or she, are not kicked out of the | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
equation. Now, if we do it that way, and we make the theft of | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
intellectual property a white collar crime, it could be an | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
everybody wins situation. We have to try to get the patent system to | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
be a universal thing. We don't want to go to a country and they say, | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
sorry mate, we don't do it this way. Because there is no point in having | :38:33. | :38:40. | |
a patent office if it is not a universal system. The irrepressible | :38:40. | :38:46. | |
Trevor Baylis there. Nicola Dagg leads the intellectual | :38:46. | :38:53. | |
property practice, and the author of a book about this. How much of a | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
problem is this where inventors and authors feel some of their best | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
stuff is being stolen by people? is an on going problem, to put the | :39:01. | :39:06. | |
other side of the equation, in the UK we have a sophisticated regime | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
for protecting intellectual property. We have a full range of | :39:10. | :39:13. | |
intellectual property rights. Patents are in the news today. They | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
are a very important tool. We have a very sophisticated and highly- | :39:17. | :39:22. | |
regarded patents court, and today we have the news of a new patent | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
regime for Europe that's simpler and more cost effective. Is this | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
something that the big companies can do because they can afford | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
lawyers like yourself? Where as the bloke in the shed can't do it or | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
isn't interested in doing it, so he can't really protect himself? | :39:39. | :39:43. | |
not as black and white as that. At one end of the spectrum we have the | :39:43. | :39:48. | |
big corporates who are very sophisticated consumers and who | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
will need to invest at both protection stage and the | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
enforcement stage to protect the Crown Jewels. But we see different | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
arrays of intellectual property rights being used. At the other end | :40:01. | :40:06. | |
of the spectrum we have design rights, trade mark, copyright, less | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
expensive. So it is a case of the flexibility in the system in terms | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
of the different rights, and going forward the flexibility in the | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
courts system. When you listen to Trevor Baylis, did that seem | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
familiar to you, that people who invent things, perhaps are not the | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
best business people in the world, and perhaps don't feel they get the | :40:25. | :40:30. | |
reward for what they do? Correct, I'm not in my workshop. Lots of | :40:30. | :40:36. | |
people aren't. There is a new breed of entrepeneur, and not really | :40:36. | :40:42. | |
using the word "inventor", more "creative", with two clicks you can | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
find a factory in China to make anything. That is exceptionally | :40:46. | :40:51. | |
exciting and empowering. How do you protect what you have come up with, | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
your great new idea. How do you stop, if you are not a big company, | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
how do you stop other people nicking it? It is tough, and the | :40:57. | :41:02. | |
Government needs to invest more in encouraging people and showing them | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
how to protect things in many different ways, like Nicola said. | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
You don't have to patent something. Actually you can only patent | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
something if it has an inventive step. The ideas I come up with, and | :41:13. | :41:19. | |
many other people who, Susie, the housewife comes up with an idea in | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
the bath, she might not come up with the water engine, but comes up | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
with a great idea of the product. You can patent that and it gives | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
you some degree of protection. about the question of shouldn't it | :41:33. | :41:40. | |
just be EU wide but universal, that would be simpler, that would imply | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
everybody signing up to it, that would be some what tricky I would | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
suspect? There is some appetite for going there. Today we see major | :41:47. | :41:53. | |
advancements in terms of getting a pan-European, a one-stop-shop for | :41:53. | :42:00. | |
patents in Europe. A single and unity patent for Europe, and one | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
court for pat continuitys in Europe. That is major progress. There is | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
international treaties in place, where some things are already | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
harmonised, including an entry point for patent applications, that | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
can grow into a collection of patent rights across the world. It | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
is not ideal, but step by step, at least we are driving it forward in | :42:20. | :42:25. | |
Europe at the moment. Does Britain have an image of itself as a nation | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
of inventors, we like eccentrics and people who come up with whacky | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
things, but we are not particularly good at Monday advertising it, to | :42:32. | :42:39. | |
use that horrible -- monetising it, to use that horrible word, making | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
cash out of it? I would rather go away from someone tinkering in the | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
shed, to someone in the pub who comes up with a great idea for a | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
greeting card, or a new novelty product, and then find an expert | :42:51. | :42:57. | |
with just a couple of clicks. That's really fantastic and easy to | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
do. You don't have to be an engineer to do that, because you | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
can find someone to help you very easily. But that's true, you don't | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
have to be an engineer to do that. But many of these inventions, | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
Trevor Baylis was talking about if you just make a slight modification | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
then the patent, perhaps, may no longer apply. In other words you | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
lose most of what you have thought of, your originality? Yes, you have | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
to be very careful about going into that whole process, it is expensive | :43:27. | :43:33. | |
and lengthy. If you are a big form suit kal company, then I see a -- | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
pharmaceutical company, I see a reason to protect your drug. I | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
don't relate to that, I relate to somebody in their flat thinking up | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
a concept. I would say to them, don't be scared about protecting | :43:46. | :43:50. | |
your idea, do it best, do it fast, do it now, and do it well. That | :43:50. | :43:55. | |
will give you some degree of protection. You suggested, you seem | :43:55. | :44:00. | |
to be optimistic that this would get better. But bringing in a new | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
Europe-wide system, there will be a lot of bumps over the next few | :44:03. | :44:10. | |
years? That is fair. I think we will see the benefit of the system | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
once it is bedded down. Once we see a set of high-quality judges in | :44:15. | :44:20. | |
place and we can begin to predict their decisions, we get more legal | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
certainty. Once we see the decisions being upheld, and the | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
users of the court system become familiar with it. A bumpy ride to | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
start, but the structure is there. Thank you very much. | :44:30. | :44:40. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 50 seconds | :44:40. | :45:30. | |
A quick look at tomorrow morning's That's all for tonight, I will be | :45:30. | :45:36. | |
back with more tomorrow. We wanted to leave you with the news that | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
Derek Beattie, the host of Mr and Mrs has died. A little bit of TV | :45:41. | :45:43. | |
history. # Things of the future | :45:44. | :45:51. | |
# And all you are hoping for # Be nice to each other | :45:51. | :45:58. | |
# Mr and Mrs # Sharing each day forever more | :45:58. | :46:08. | |
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Good evening. Changes are afoot, tonight most of you go from clear | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
to cloudy, a greyer start to tomorrow. Best of the sunshine in | :46:18. | :46:24. | |
the west, but a widespread frost and dense fog to begin with. Patchy | :46:24. | :46:28. | |
light rain, sleet, icey for a time across the Pennines and the | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
mountains of Scotland. Conditions will brighten up, especially to the | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
Pennines in the afternoon. A little bit of sunshine can'ting ruled out. | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
Breaks in the sunshine in the east. The wind picking up as well. It | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
will feel significantly colder A lovely bright start across Devon, | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
Cornwall and west Wales. Clouding over here. Spots of light rain and | :46:51. | :46:54. | |
sleet over the hills not completely ruled out. The breeze picking up so | :46:55. | :47:00. | |
the temperatures will drop. For Northern Ireland the sunny | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
conditions in the west throughout. Same too in the northern and | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
western parts of Scotland. Essentially much more cloud through | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
today and colder. The colder feel will continue into Thursday. Look | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
how the temperatures continue to drop day on day. Cloud amounts will | :47:15. | :47:17. | |
vary. Best of the sunshine probably in the west. A lot more cloud to | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
the east. From that as well you will notice into Thursday we will | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
start to see a few light snow flurries here and there. They will | :47:24. | :47:28. |