12/04/2013 Newsnight


12/04/2013

Presented by Kirsty Wark. David Cameron and Angela Merkel talk about Europe, the song that gave the BBC a headache over taste and justice for the rape victims of Congo?


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$:/STARTFEED. A weekend in the German countryside for David

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Cameron and Angela Merkel. It look like happy families for the cameras.

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But behind closed doors, can he sweet talk her into supporting a

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new European relationship for Britain. We have gathered a troop

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of economists to try to guess who is saying what to whom?

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Is your house just over 120ms from the proposed high-speed rail route,

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you might have a very big problem. At the moment they won't even

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compensate us full stop, or give us the value of the property, let

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alone all the extra needs that I would need to enable me to move.

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It's a good job Top Of The Pops was scrapped, as the chart rise of this

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song, offensive to the memory of Margaret Thatcher, a headache for

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the BBC, or just plain daft. Good evening, Angela Merkel is

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playing mine hostess to the Camerons tonight. The German

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Chancellor has already said that she personally wants Britain to be

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an important part and active member of the EU. The talks will be over

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EU reforms and how close or far apart they are over change. At the

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same time as if to highlight the economic difficulty at the heart of

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the European product, in Dublin finance ministers have extended

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Ireland and Portugal's loan over ten years, and a bail out has been

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agreed for Cyprus, ready to be agreed by member states.

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Wish you were here? For the Prime Minister and his wife it is a long

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weekend in an 18th century cast. Think Chequers German style. A

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country retreat in outside Berlin, with not just other halves invited,

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but the Cameron children on their way too. The gist of it is this,

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"we like you Dave and there are at least some things we can agree on".

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Swap a German castle for Dublin Castle and another EU meeting about

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the latest country, Cyprus, to provoke a blast of the jitters

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about the future of the single currency. Finance ministers agreed

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a 10 billion euro rescue package to stop Cyprus sliding into bankruptcy.

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But the island and the savers will have to stump up a lot more than

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originally thought. 13 billion euros. The Cypriot problem is not

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even near to be solved. There are huge questions around the bail out,

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no-one actually knows by how much the Cypriot economy will contract

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by, will shrink by, therefore it is very difficult to work out a bail

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out package, a support package, when everything is so uncertain.

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This Cyprus story will run for a very long time. It is not just

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Cyprus causing grief either. Next stop Slovenia, where a new

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Government is dealing with an old problem, the banks. Everyone is now

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looking for the next Cyprus, who is next in line for a eurozone bail

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out. The strongest contender is probably Slovenia. That is stuck

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with a braanking sector that -- banking sector that hold as lot of

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toxic debt that it can't get off its books. The Government there is

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not rich enough to bail out its own banking system. We are looking at

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another bail out at some point for Slovenia. Probably a limited one.

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Beyond the eurozones stumbles from one crisis to the another remains

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the UK's question about the EU. For so long it is seen by the EU as the

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embarrassing uncle at the Christmas party, plonked on the sofa,

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grumbling away and irritating others in the European family. On

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top of a generation's worth of scepticism amongst its European

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opposite numbers, we can Adam I don't know's veto wielded in

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Brussels a then that speech in January spelling out his plans to

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renegotiate the UK's terms of membership of the EU, and put it to

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a referendum by 2017. What is on the table for discussion this

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weekend? David Cameron wants to persuade his partners that Europe

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needs to be reformed and treaty change is the way to do this. For

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Angela Merkel, she wants to keep Britain engaged and to try ensure

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Britain doesn't leave. But the German Government isn't at all keen

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on having treaty change in the short-term. It is unpalpable to the

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German Government because they think we will have problems

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ratfying it, and several member states might lose that. And they

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realise if they open up the treaty the Brits will try it blackmail

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everyone to get the concessions they want. But, some point out, the

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gap between the German and British perspective on all things European

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Union isn't that wide and is bridgeable. Once that is all those

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hellos and guttentags are out of the way. When the British and

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German politicians sit down and talk, they spend 30, 40 minutes to

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look at the language to use and how to communicate with each other past

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the ideology. When it comes to the policy discussion they tend to

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agree. For example, on the need to strengthen national parliaments,

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make the EU more democratic, on the need to cut down and reform the

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European Union budget. So, the music's jolly, the scenery is

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pretty, but do you still wish you were here? This Englishman's home

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this weekend is a German castle, but Europe's direction is no walk

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in the park. Just how significant is the

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weekend's visit, to help me unpick I'm joined by my guests.

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First of all, is this going to be really more of a public consumption,

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or will there be any move on whether or not Angela Merkel is

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even considering acceding to David Cameron's notion that he should

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have a referendum on treaty change? It is a horse that has bolted. The

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referendum has been promised. if he doesn't get what he wants on

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treaty change? The Germans are not going to push for treaty change,

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they won't push for it because they have realised that other than them

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and David Cameron nobody wants treaty change. They won't push 25

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other European countries in a direction that they don't want to

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go. It is a risky strategy. Even if they started going down that road,

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it would take years and years to reach an agreement. Do you agree

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with the analysis in the film that if Britain went for that referendum

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other countries may well follow. That is a problem for Angela

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Merkel? I think that's absolutely the case. It is the domino effect,

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and whether or not we can sustain that sort of cohesive view in

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Europe, I don't think so. Megan, is this really just for public

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consumption this weekend, to show that on a personal level at least

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they can do business, they like each other? Yeah, I think so, I

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don't expect anything to come out of this weekend's talks, especially

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given a German election in September. There won't be any

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movement on this whatsoever. David Cameron wants repatriation of power

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towards the nations, Merkel doesn't want that at all. She want a much

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bigger role for the European Commission in helping to bail out

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all the weaker countries. On the whole question about the general

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elections, is that the big issue in town this year, do you think?

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certainly a much bigger issue than what David Cameron wants at the

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moment. At the moment all eyes are on German, what's going to happen

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there, to some extent there is unrealistic expectations, how much

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does the German election matter for Europe. Whoever is in charge after

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September will follow the line that Merkel is on now. Where is Merkel's

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biggest problems, is it the right in the CD? She herself doesn't have

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the problem, her approval ratings are stellar. Her party is slightly

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less popular. Her opponent from the social democrats is nowhere to be

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seen. She has no coalition party and she won't have a majority, she

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needs another partner to form a pact. We are in situation where the

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finance ministers in Dublin have approved the lengthening of the

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loan to Ireland and Portugal, and the bail out for Cyprus. With

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Slovenia coming up the back. This is exacerbating the whole problem,

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the politic between north and south in the euro isn't it? Absolutely,

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to some degree this whole trip this weekend is a bit a distraction of

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what is going on. Merkel wants to focus, at the end of the day, on

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the crisis in Europe. I don't really think David Cameron coming

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along is her priority at the moment. I think. What about, I mean the

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Cyprus bail out is not popular in Germany, we can talk about Slovenia

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in a minute. It is not, but Merkel's approval ratings have shot

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up off the back of it. The CDP and the Greens were demanding Germany

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didn't bail out Russian oligarchs, that wasn't the case but that was a

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bail out. She demanded a depositer pay out. And her approval has

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improved. Because she was able to that. What about the Slovenia

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situation, there is a different approach to this than Cyprus?

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is a different approach to all other European countries than to

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Cyprus. Cyprus is not a very popular case, not only in Germany

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but many other European countries. Even before the banking trouble,

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they weren't particularly good at making friends in Europe. Now they

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manage to have a business model that is obviously unsustainable.

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They are a very special case. Slovenia is a stable, nice-looking

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country, for the banking sector it failed to privatise it fully, they

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have a lot of work to do. But there is very different political

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attitudes towards Slovenia than Cyprus. Do you think Cyprus should

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have gone? That is one ogs, I think it is still an option for Cyprus to

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try to negotiate its way out of the eurozone. It would be painful,

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certainly, but it might be less painful than the bail out they

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signed up to. Your view on that? Absolutely, at the moment the best

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option for Cyprus is to basically exit the eurozone, issue its own

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currency and hopefully find a little bit of stability. If you

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look at the extension of Portugal, obviously and Ireland, you have

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Slovenia, problems in it low and Spain, ultimately, this is the --

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Italy and Spain, but ultimately in 10-15 years, will there be a

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separate north-south, with the south dropping out of the euro, and

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it being a northern currency? could have a, it is totally viable

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that you end up issuing a sort of second tier euro for the periphery

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states. But I don't think it is the ideal option. I think we are now

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committed to this project, and the ideal solution is one where we

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stick together. However, Cyprus is a special case. If any eurozone

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country has the possibility to leave it is Cyprus. I would also

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point out that eurozone membership is a political decision, and the

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europroject is, to a large degree, a political project. If the weaker

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countries do decide to abandon the euro, I'm not sure if the political

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will will be there for them to band together in a separate state but

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they will go back to their currencies. These currencies would

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have zero credibility. Reintroduced central banks would find it hard to

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maintain price stability, to keep the currencies from plunging, they

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would have to massively default on their debt. It would be mayhem and

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painful. It would be mayhem for Germany? It would be, because they

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are for political reasons committed to this thing, it needs a stable

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neighbourhood to export to, and they need these countries to stop a

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reintroduced damp mark from becoming strong. There are those

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saying it is Germany that has to leave the euro? Cyprus has a chance

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and it is not the case that you would have complete chaos, because

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Cyprus, of all the countries, it does actually have a viable economy

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on its own. Yes, you would have. has a lot of gas. It has a lot of

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gas and tourism. Even if it issued its own currency and we saw it fall

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in value, that would be very attractive to tourists. It would be

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volatile, don't get me wrong. We would recover much more quickly.

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what we are talking about, for the next three or four years yet utter

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volatility throughout the European states, no settling down of any

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country? We will jump from crisis to crisis as we have for the past

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couple of years. As far as the idea of eurozone exits is concerned,

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choreography is key. A unilateral default and exit worst option

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possible for any of these weaker countries. But a negotiated exit,

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with bridge financing and balance of payments support from the IMF

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and other troika members, that is a better option. Thank you very much.

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I have to stop you there. On Wednesday's Newsnight we

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reported from Minova in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where

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on one night of November last year Government soldiers committed mass

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rape and other terrible violent Well today 12 senior officers in

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the military were suspended. The film maker Fiona Lloyd-Davies who

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secured confessions from that soldier and others is here. What is

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the significance of the suspensions? It is very significant

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that it was senior officers this time. It sends a very strong

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message to all the army that it is not just the foot soldiers who may

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be punished. In your film the foot soldiers all said that the command

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to rape came from the senior officers that makes it very

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important? That's right. The BBC film, the film you made went out on

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Newsnight on Wednesday, it then went out on BBC World on Thursday,

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that is not the only pressure that is been put on, but it is part of

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the pressure? There is a sense that the Congalese authorities don't

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want to be criticised publicly, and there is also a gathering momentum

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at the moment about what is going on in Congo, about sexual violence,

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politically diplomatically, even in celebrity services, the UN Special

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Representative on Sexual Violence has returned from Congo and met

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with the President. The G8 meeting this week have been talking about

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stopping sexual violence. William Hague has presented his unit

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preventing sexual violence as well. You have also been following the

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rapes for the last ten years. And do you think the women have any

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expectation that it is really going to change? It has been very low in

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the past. They have risked their lives to testify in the few trials

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that have taken place, only to see perpetrators walk free. This time

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there is such a real commitment for this trial to go forward, I know

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women on the ground have already agreed to be witnesses.

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Thank you very much. The Government says that when the high-speed two

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rail line is built, those living next to the 250 mile an hour train

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will actually welcome their fast new neighbour and worry what they

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were so worried about. In the meantime residents complain their

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houses are only sellable at a huge discount. The Government already in

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trouble over the Compensation Scheme, after a judge ruled last

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month its consultation was so unfair as to be illegal. There are

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thousands of stories on the HS2 line, we could look anywhere for

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people with something to say. The building of the first stage of the

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line, between London and Birmingham, won't start until 2017, and isn't

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due to finish until 2026, its impact is already keenly felt. Take

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the village of Great Missenden in Buckinghamshire, this pub has

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closed, it is exactly where the line will run through. If you have

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to live in an area where HS2 is coming, this could be the best

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situation to be in. The compensation in these circumstances

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is most generous. I have come to meet the organisers of the HS2

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Action Alliance, they took the Government to judicial review and

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won. The judge agreed the consultation on compensation had

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been so unfair as to be unlawful. The property market is completely

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stymied, it has just frozen, what you will see is lots of houses for

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sale and nobody wants to buy them. You have extreme problems in that

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people want to get on, they want to move on with their lives, and yet

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for two decades they are going to be frozen out. How much

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compensation you get depends on how far you live from the centre of the

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line, within 60ms, you are compulsory purchased, you get the

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value of what the property would have been before HS2 plus a 10%

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bonus that can't exceed �47,000, you get your moving costs as well.

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If you live between 60-100ms from the line in a rural area you

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qualify for the voluntary purchase scheme. You ask the Government to

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pay the unblighted market value of your home. But you are not eligible

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for any of the other extra payments. However, if you live more than

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120ms from the centre of the track, you will have to prove extreme

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hardship, like divorce or loss of your job, that means you have to

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move but you can't sell because of HS2, prove that and you will get

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the unblighted market value. Hello. Hello. If, like Derek and

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Margo, you want to downsize or upsize, or just relocate, there is

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nothing on offer. They are just two yards outside the voluntary

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compensation zone. What is the consequence of those two yards for

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you and your lives? There is a thing called "blight" if you come

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to sell the house. At the moment I would say that whatever the price

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the house would have been, had they not put the line up, you will lose

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between 20-30% of the price of the house, if you can sell it. If you

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can sell it. Who will be interested in a thundering great train coming

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along. Every so many minutes. People might buy it if the price

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was right? We want to move to a place where the price is right for

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us, we are not going to be able to. Estate agents have told the couple

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they would want �1,500 even to market the home, which they have

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also been told is unsellable. Their only other option wait until the

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line has been operating for a year, and then put in a claim for the

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impact caused, by then Derek will be nearly 90.

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We have come to the Cock and Rabbit club, very close to where the line

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will go. This is where they film Mid-Summer Murders. One of the

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interesting features of high-speed rail means the cost to communities

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like this is far greater than what other infrastructure projects. That

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has an impact on compensation. Let me show you what I mean. If we

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imagine a normal infrastructure project, like a road or railway. It

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goes like that. There is your end point and there is your start point.

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But what will happen is you have junctions or stations along the way.

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So, the people who live in this sort of area, like that, will have

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the cost of being near the line or the road, but they will also have

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the benefit of having access to this fantastic new infrastructure.

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So the cost on them, or the impact on their house prices, for example,

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will be some what mitigated. But, with high-speed rail, don't forget,

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none of these exist. It goes from London to Birmingham, bypassing

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this place about here, and it has absolutely no benefit to the people

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who live here. Meanwhile, a short stroll from the derelict pub I met

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Adam. Hello Adam. He spent years adapting this barn to provide the

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perfect home for him and his family. This kind of adaptation doesn't

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come cheap. You are close, because the pub is going. How much closer

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does the line come to the pub? line goes right through the middle

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of that pub, and comes closer to us at an angle across into this wood

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over here. Add dumb only has one fully functioning lung and says his

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sometimes fragile health wouldn't allow him to live close to the

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building work. As soon as the diggers arrive, he says he has to

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leave. If my neighbours have to leave, they might not want to, if

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they got the value of their property they might not want to

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move. In my case there is extra issues, I couldn't just buy another

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property tomorrow and move into it. I would have to find a place, I

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would have to find builders and get doors widened, new bathrooms put in,

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accessible bathrooms and kitchens. Probably ramps and raising ground

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level, all this costs a phenomenal amount of money. We have put our

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life savings into this property to make it the only place in the world

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where I'm 100% independent. There is nowhere else on this earth where

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I can be like that. You wouldn't get the money back if you did

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qualify for compensation here? The final stop on my journey is

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back at London, in the Department of Transport, where I have an

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appointment to see the minister in charge of HS2. Hello. We have seen

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from the evidence of high-speed 1, that has gone through the heart of

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Kent up to London that despite all the rhetoric and the campaigning

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and the complaining back in the late 1980s, when the project was

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beginning to be developed, that actually when the project is and

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running, those problems have not materialised. But the first phase

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of the railway won't even be built until 2026, that is 13 years away,

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that is a long time to wait and not sell your house for what you think

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is the market value. Even if the problems that you fear don't

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materialise? There will be some people who may feel nervous, I

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think unjustifiably, about the impact. But if there is a need for

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them to have to sell their house, under the conditions of the

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hardship scheme, then they will be provided with that help, at an

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unblighted property price. And what about Adam Thomas and his family,

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even if they do qualify for the hardship scheme, they fear they

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won't get the money they would need it adapt another property. The

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minister says he can't comment on individual cases, but. That

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situation would also afly to any other individual who lived miles

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and miles away from a major project like high-speed 2. Given that a lot

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of people invest a lot of money in their properties in different ways

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and they don't necessarily then Israelise the money they have

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invested in the im-- realise the money they have invested in the

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improvements of the property whether for health or aesthetic

:24:47.:24:57.
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reasons, that is part of the market and buying and selling a house.

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Back in the Chiltons, the cheers ring a little hollow, there is a

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creeping fear there is nothing they can do to stop the line. The best

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they can hope for is improved compensation. We have to tell them

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what we want and we want full and fair compensation. Since we

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recorded our interview with the Transport Minister we have received

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a statement from his department. "we know that people's personal

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situations sometimes bring unique challenges that we can't fully

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anticipate through the design of a property Compensation Scheme. We

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aim to be flexible in responding to that small minority of cases.

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HS2Ltd is ready and willing to talk to anyone in such a situation to

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discuss how it might help." Historians may come to refer to it

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all as a right ding dong about a song, the BBC won't play Ding Dong

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The Witch Is Dead in full on the radio 1 Chart Show, they will show

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a clip of a news reporter explaining a sudden popularity,

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that a campaign had been launched to send it to number one after

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Margaret Thatcher's death. It is thought to be number three. It has

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provoked comment and controversy, and a rival song I'm In Love with

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Margaret Thatcher. And changes in the way music is bought and

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consumed mean does it matter any more.

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As a long from The Wizard of Oz climbs the charities, friends of

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Dorothy are hard to find at the BBC T will play the song in the chart

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rundown, the controller of Radio One said, but only for five seconds

:26:46.:26:54.

or so. The track will be put into context by a reporter. I believe

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that you have got a situation where a group of people in society have

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decided that they will campaign by using this track and trying to get

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this track into the chart. I find it disrespectful. But I also I'm

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very conscious if I ban it I will get myself into issues of freedom

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of speech and censorship. Once upon time this was the record

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the BBC didn't want to play. God Save The Queen by The Sex Pistols.

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Some say it reached number one in the summer of 1977, unofficially.

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If you believe the rumour around at the time, God Save The Queen was

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said to have sold enough record to be number one in the week of the

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Jubilee. But when the official charts came out Rod Stewart was

:27:55.:28:00.

still number one. More recently unlikely Christmas dittties have

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been propelled to the top of the charts in a bid to keep out

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offerings from X Factor contestants. We have been here several times

:28:09.:28:15.

before. From Simon koul's anger at the affrontry of -- Cowell's anger

:28:15.:28:20.

from the affrontry of people who might not want to grant him his God

:28:20.:28:26.

given right to have the Christmas number one, to Relax from Frankie

:28:26.:28:32.

Goes To Hollywood, the outrage is at the very reliant agent for

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getting something to number one. The decline of vinyl threatened to

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leave the singles' market in a spin. I know, it's late. But apparently

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all is well. The rise of iTunes and other download sites in the early

:28:48.:28:52.

noughties has created a real boom for the singles' market. It rescued

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the market and it is in a healthy state that last year was the most

:28:58.:29:04.

singles sold in a single year on record. Because it is so easy?

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the digital download era has created an ecosystem where you can

:29:09.:29:13.

buy a symbol on impulse, but the rise of digital download has walked

:29:13.:29:17.

hand in hand with the rise of social media. Not only can you buy

:29:17.:29:23.

it on impulse but as a community as a statement en masse. That is what

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we are seeing this week. It turns out that the top 40 isn't as old

:29:31.:29:36.

hat as the Music Hall, but remains every bit as urgent as it was in

:29:36.:29:45.

the dear departed days of Gary Davies. So says one gold-fingered

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pop Svengali. This is all part of the excitement of the charts, when

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people can just do their thing, and make a record that nobody wants to

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get to number one. That is the excitement what technology has

:29:57.:30:01.

allowed us to do is see people's choice better and quicker and

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probably a little more accurate than it has been in the past. You

:30:04.:30:08.

know for the last 30 years the record companies have been hyping

:30:08.:30:12.

the charts, or accused of hyping the charts, you can't do that now

:30:12.:30:22.
:30:22.:30:22.

when you are down to millions of downloads. Not possible. These are

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historical cultural documents, almost. Aren't you pushing it a bit

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there. It's three-minute disposable pop, most of of it? It is three-

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minute disposable pop. But these are cultural mile stones from the

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1970s to last week. These are important cultural moments.

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