22/04/2013 Newsnight


In-depth investigation and analysis of the stories behind the day's headlines with Kirsty Wark. Are fears about Bulgarian and Romanian immigration unfounded?

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Immigration is one of the most contentious political issues in


Britain, with fears expressed in Parliament and some newspapers that


come the first of January 2014, Bulgarians and Romanians will flood


to Britain. In the first in-depth poll commissioned for Newsnight we


look into how many intend to travel to the UK, how many have made plans


to come and whether restrictions on certain benefits would influence


their decision to travel. The Romanian Prime Minister tells us


how many of his countrymen he expects to come to the UK.


Romanian economy is growing, not very fast, but it is growing. Even


the number of jobs in Romania and I think that absolutely from the


first of January nothing significant is going to change


regarding the Romanians' migration to the United Kingdom. We'll be


talk together Bulgarian ambassador and politicians about the poll's


findings. Also tonight, move over William


Shatner, this is Chris Hadfield, Space Station commander and the new


YouTube galactic superstar with essential top tips, including how


to rinse a flannel in zero gravity. Now let's start wringing it out.


Good evening. From January 1 next year the work restrictions imposed


by the Government for Bulgarians and remainians will expire here and


also in eight other European countries, including France, Spain


and Germany. Romania and Bulgaria are amongst the poorest countries


in Europe and when they joined the EU in 2007, there were fears of


mass migration, hence the restrictions, but will the UK


experience the same sort of influx we had from Poland and the Czech


Republic? A new sore have a for Newsnight conducted face to face


polling people of working age in both Romania and Bulgaria. They


found out who had concrete plans to come? The result is Britain is


certainly growing on the radar as a destination, but the poll suggests


a majority from both countries say they would want a firm job offer in


order to actually come here. Here's Romania and Bulgaria are amongst


the poorest countries in Europe. When they joined the European Union


in 2007, some other states imposed work restrictions on their people,


fearing many would migrate w. Those restrictions due to expire at end


of this year, those concerns have resurfaced specially in Britain,


where so many people have come from Poland and other new member states.


We wanted to find out how many people were really likely to move


to the UK next year. In February we commissioned a test poll asking the


independent research agency to question a thousand people across


Bulgaria. We asked if people intended to come to the UK to work.


Over a quarter of the respondants said yes. Times are tough, many


Bulgarians dream of a better life and some surveys as many as 50% of


Bulgarians say they like to work abroad. Over the last decade only


around 6% have actually gone. To get more useful data the analyst


told us we would have to ask different questions. Usually, you


have to distinguish between a general intention or a general


consideration - would you buy more books, as I gave you more example,


would you buy more books more year, would you definitely want to read


more books? But in the end you might buy no books next year,


because of different factors. we commissioned two agencys to work


together to design a more sophisticated questionnaire to


distinguish between aspiration to come and work in Britain and real,


concrete plans. Last month, they interviewed over a thousand people,


face to face, in each country across the towns, villages and


cities of Bulgaria and Romania. First, we asked people to name


where they'd like to work in the European Union. In the past, people


from these countries often worked in states they could reach by car


or where the culture and language are closer to their own. Our survey


suggests the UK is becoming a more aive -- attractive deaf nation to


people. For Romanians Italy and Spain were the top destinations for


years. That was apparent in our survey too. Most of the people who


worked in the EU before had been to those two countries. Of the


Romanians, 197 people of the over a thousand surveyed intended to work


in another EU country in 2013. 30% still wanted to go to Italy. 24% to


Germany and 16% to the UK. 73 of the over a thousand surveyed


intended to work in another EU country in 2014. 25% to Italy, 18%


to Germany and 26% to the UK. Bulgaria is a much smaller country.


Its population a third the size of Romania. Bulgarians in our survey,


who had previously worked elsewhere, had mostly been in Germany, Greece


or Spain. When we asked about working elsewhere in the EU this


year: Of the over a thousand Bulgarians surveyed, 242 said they


wanted to work in another EU country this year. 30% wanted to go


to Germany, 27% to the UK, 10% to Spain. As for 2014: 123 people of


the over a thousand surveyed said they'd go. 31% wanted to go to


Germany, 24% to the UK, 12% to Spain.


Some people said one country for 2013 and a different one for 2014,


so they appear twice in. Britain there's an expectation that many


people are planning to come next year, not now. But our survey


suggested that's not the case so far. Do you think they physically


bumped into each other? No. This is an English class in Bulgaria for


people of working age, the very place you might think to find


people thinking of emigrating once restrictions go. But the students


here want to help their careers at home. Working abroad is not so easy.


For me, it's not a good chance to realisation in. Bulgariana there


are enough work and if you want to work hard, it will not be a problem


to stay and be success in bull gairya. Bulgaria. They didn't see


immigration a problem for Britain or Bulgaria. If we know English and


we are very skilful, you have a lot of jobs there. So it will be a good


reason to go there. Actually, we will grow to your economy, it will


be good for both of UK and Bulgaria. How many people are really


interested in moving to the UK? When we asked the Romanians to pick


their First Choice country in the EU, 4.% of the entire survey wanted


to come to the UK to work in 2013/14. When we asked the


Bulgarians to do the same, 9.3% of them picked the UK. Then we asked


directly about the UK, some people wouldn't think of it as an EU


member. That raised the Romanian figure to 8.2% of the entire survey


and the Bulgarian to 13.6% of the entire survey. There's a lot of


difference between intending to work in the UK, as these Bulgarian


students would one day like to do. Ever since I read the first Harry


Potter book, I kind of started to love England. Mainly because of Top


Gear, I'm not sure, because it's, you know, it's a great passion for


me. I really like the presenters. And real, concrete plans, we asked


very specific questions both of those would picked the UK and those


who had been prompted. Have you started looking for a job with a


recruitment agency? 0.3% of the Romanians said yes, 2.8% of the


Bulgarians. Have you started looking for a job without a


recruitment agency? 0.7% of the Romanians said yes. 1.4% of the


Bulgarians. Have you started looking for accommodation? 0.4% of


the rove mainians said yes. 1.2% of the Bulgarians. With small results,


like those from Romania, analysts say it's hard to estimate real


numbers. I think can you get an overall trend, when you look at


overall people looking at if, for instance, who is making plans. Who


has spoken, for instance to a recruitment consultancy. Some of


the sample sizes are small to say specifically these are the numbers


of people coming. Many people from Poland and other eastern European


countries came to Britain without a job. Our survey suggests that when


it comes to Romanians and Bulgarians, for now, most would


only come to the UK with a firm offer of work. Another reason why


it's difficult to predict how many people might move.


Of the Romanians who said they wanted to work in the UK, that's 90


people over the 1,000 surveyed, 65% said they would only move to the UK


with a firm offer from a recruitment agency or directly from


a country. Of the Bulgarians, that's 138 of the over a thousand


surveyed, 60% of them said they'd only move with a firm offer of work.


I don't think that we'll see a mass exodus out of Bulgaria. People who


wanted to leave have already left or gone somewhere, come back, gone


somewhere as well, come back. I think going back to the survey, 60%


of people want a firm job offer. They realise just going it a place


that looks nice in the pictures is not going to make their life better.


So what kind of people are interested in moving to the UK? The


Bulgarian survey suggested they tend to be younger and more likely


to be unemployed compared with the Romanians. The Romanian survey


suggested people interested in moving to the UK are more likely to


have a university degree and are likely to be more affluent than


average in the survey. In the English Bar in one of Bucharest's


grandest old hotels, we met some of those young Romanian professionals


and to give them a flavour of the way this topic is seen in Britain,


we showed them David Cameron's speech from last month. By the end


of this year, and before the controls on Bulgarians and


Romanians are lifted, we're going to strengthen the test that


determines which migrants can access benefits. They said they'd


only move to further their careers, not to claim benefits, but they got


David Cameron's point. I got the message. I think all the Romanians


who are aware of the message got it. I think now we just have to wait


and see. Our survey identified 90 respondants in Romania who were


interested in working in the UK. Our survey suggested they could be


put off by benefits changes. We said, the UK Government may


consider restricting state benefits that Romanians could claim. If they


did, to what extent would this affect your decision to go to work


in this country? Of those who said they were interested in the UK,


those 90 people out of over a thousand surveyed, just under half


said it would affect their decision to a great or very great extent.


The respondant numbers are small. The results surprise the Romanian


minister of labour. TRANSLATION: There is a certain


percentage influenced by this, the idea that they may not be able to


claim benefits when they're in difficulty. This is not the purpose


of the legislation in the UK. As I understand it, it's intended to


prevent abuses and ensure fairness and equality for all the citizens


of the European Union. She did tell us that the Romanian government


were concerned about benefit fraud and were talk together British


government about how to combat it. In Bulgaria, most people interested


in working in the UK said a benefits change would not affect


their decision. There's been a lot of speculation in the British press


about Roma moving to Britain. Our Romanian survey did not show any


Roma planning to move to the UK, though once again, the sample was


small. In Bulgaria there are more Roma in the population and many of


them are used to work ago broad for periods of time.


TRANSLATION: I do seasonal work. I was in Spain for three months. I


came back. Everything was absolutely fine. I was paid


properly. I was paid what they promised to pay me. People were


very friendly so everything was fine. Looking at the ethnic break


down of those would wanted to come to the UK in 2013 and 2014, 10% of


those were Roma. While Roma represent 5% of the overall


Bulgarian population. These results should be treated with caution


because of the small sample size. Several elements stand out from our


surveys. First, when you ask people if they intend to seek work in the


UK, many people say yes, but if you follow that with more concrete


questions like - are you looking for a job? And are you looking for


somewhere to live? Those numbers fall significantly. Second, there's


no sign, for the moment, that many people are waiting till the end of


the year when work restrictions are lifted. And thirdly, this seems to


be a more considered migration in prospect at least, than the mass


movement of people from Poland and the other accession countries in


2004. But this is a survey, a snapshot of opinion in time. And


information about people who are interested in moving to Britain. We


are publishing everything online. As one observer said, real evidence


about migration from these countries is sparse.


Earlier, I spoke to the Romanian prime minister, Victor Ponta, and


asked him what he thought about the number of Romanians considering


coming to the UK. Only a small percentage of Romanians think of the


United Kingdom as being the best destination. They prefer Italy or


Germany because of the mentality, and it is closer to Romania. I am


sure it will not be a phenomenon. There will be very normal limits,


something like what happened to countries which lifted their


restriction earlier than in the UK. Not like the migration we had from


Poland in 2004, then? You think it will be different? Yes, because the


wave of Romanians migration was already during 2007-2008. The main


destination was Spain and Italy, because of the Latin culture and


language and roots. Right now, fortunately, the Romanian economy is


growing. Not very fast, but it is growing. And even the number of jobs


in Romania is growing. From first January, nothing significant will


change regarding Romanian migration to the UK. You talk about the


Romanian growth in the economy. Are you worried about a brain drain?


Absolutely, because the brain drain is a phenomenon that all countries


in Eastern Europe have been confronted with. But that is why I


am more optimistic than I would have been several years ago, because


lately, a lot of international companies, especially software


engineering and technology companies have come to Romania. They opened


new projects and they are hiring young, skilful people here to give


them good jobs and wages. So what do you make of some of the newspaper


stories and the perception among some in the United Kingdom that


Romanians are work-shy, even criminally inclined? Those stories


go about. What do you make of that? Of course I am very aware that


Romanian citizens have committed not necessarily serious crime, but some


Romanians and representatives of the Roma minority are involved in small


criminality like begging, stealing. I think that first of all, we should


cooperate in our police and law enforcement agencies. On the other


hand, it is a huge challenge and a big concern for my government to


implement a strategy for integration of the Roma communities. What do you


make of David Cameron's rhetoric about imposing benefit restrictions


on incomers from Bulgaria and Romania? If not only the British


government, but the German one or the French one will enforce better


legislation for avoiding people coming from Eastern Europe or other


parts of the world just for social benefits, I think that would be very


fair from the point of view of the British government. I would support


this. All we ask is that we don't have discrimination. All the


legislation which applies to German citizens or Italian citizens should


apply also to Romania and Bulgaria. When our pollsters spoke to young


professional Romanians, they did not like the benefit restrictions,


because it made them feel like they were not wanted. One banker said to


us, well, we now get the message, as in, we are not wanted by the United


Kingdom. I would not make a confusion between some critics in


the media and the general mood. think that well trained and skilled


people will always be welcome in your society, and they would be a


great loss for Romania to have such good people going to the United


Kingdom or the United States or Germany or France. I would say it is


just an issue to be better communicated and to give assurance


to the British public that there is no danger of a wave of immigrants


coming from Romania and Bulgaria. Thank you very much.


Our political editor joins us now. What do you think the political


implications are for these findings? Some will be gloating from the


coalition, partly because they feel that on the last point during the


interview about the benefit clamp-down having had some effect,


they will feel some vindication. What will not happen is that


immigration will diminish as a political football in this country.


There was a series of British reasons, but in a nutshell, you saw


Nigel Farage, the leader of UKIP today, contesting the poll very


fiercely. As long as he does that, the other politicians will not be


able to leave the pitch, to extend the football metaphor, because as


long as UKIP are talking the language that a lot of people feel


about immigration, other political leaders don't feel they can soften


their language. If you are the Conservatives, one of your best


policies is bringing this pledge in of bringing immigration down to net


tens of thousands. If you are the Labour Party, the problem for you is


that Gordon Brown had that interaction with Mrs Duffy where he


appeared to not know that the public were worried about immigration. They


have to show that they understand that and that their policies are now


different. In the last ten years in this country, immigration has polled


very high. It is not a recent thing. It does not seem to move with an


influx or a reduction. It is about complicated emotional things around


fear of change or even a fear that you don't understand your local


economy. It is not about straightforward facts and numbers,


it is about feelings. That is why the poll is important, but it might


not change a huge amount. The British public have heard the


establishment and maybe even the BBC underestimate immigration before in


2004, so they will be waiting to see whether what has been predicted


today comes to pass. To discuss the polling results, I am


joined by Konstantin Dimitrov, Bulgaria's ambassador to Britain,


Chris Bryant, the shadow immigration minister, the Conservative MP Nadhim


Zahawi and Paul Nuttall MEP from the UK Independence Party. Paul Nuttall,


you heard the Romanian prime minister saying he did not think


there would be a massive change come January one. The overall trend is as


much speculative migration as in 2004. Let me deal with the poll.


was a tiny sample size. 1000 in each country. Let me make one point


here. Each percentage in that poll, if you extrapolate and compare it to


the working population of Bulgaria and Romania, it works out at 74,000


Bulgarians and 190,000 Romanians per percentage in that poll. We have had


a national poll to look at this for us today. These are not just UKIP


figures. We are talking big numbers here. Nadhim Zahawi, do you feel


reassured by this snapshot? It is worth pointing out that the only


major party in 2010 that was talking about immigration was the


Conservative Party. And David Cameron was the one saying, we have


to bring it down to tens of thousands, not hundreds of


thousands, because for too long, we had an open door policy under


Labour. I campaigned on immigration because people are rightly


concerned. It is not just the white populations, it is the hard-working


immigrant populations who are concerned. But one immigrant


population follows another, and they can all be hard-working. I don't


disagree with you, but as a coalition government, we have


firstly brought down net migration numbers by a third. Only one third


of the net migration numbers, from the European Union. And 15% is Brits


returning home. Let's talk about Bulgaria and remain near.


Ambassador, does this tally with things happening in Bulgaria? It


seems that people are being more circumspect about arriving here


without having a con creaked linked with the job -- a concrete job.


Absolutely, for a number of reasons. People know that the situation is


not rosy here. We have a triple dip recession, and there is very good


information about the plans of your government. It is not quite a triple


dip, but we are not in great shape. That is what many analysts say.


people talk about going to a foreign country, they see whether they would


go somewhere whether there is a job opportunity, or if it is more of


what they have at home, repeated on a foreign ground. The issue of


benefits was interesting, because for the Romanian people we spoke


to, the message was that the benefits restrictions show that they


are not wanted here, where is the Bulgarians did not care whether


there were benefits restrictions. There is a very important point here


that the desire of the Bulgarians to come here is only to work, without


resort to the benefit systems. are young, aged between 18 and 35,


single or married without dependent children. They want to work legally


if there is demand. If there is no demand, they will not come. I


visited the capital of Bulgaria a few months ago, and I found that the


people who are looking to come to the UK do tend to be young and


educated. Would you welcome them? Well, the jobs just aren't here.


would be better for the young and brightest of Bulgaria who are going


to become teachers, accountants and lawyers, to stay in Bulgaria, get


their economy kickstarted and get their society sorted out, because


you have problems with corruption, rather than coming here and serving


tea and coffee in bars and restaurants in London. I agree that


it is the policy of our government to create more job opportunities


back home. But those who come are not coming to use your social


benefit system, but only because there is a demand for specific


categories of labour. But Paul Nuttall is saying that the young


Bulgarians we spoke to, who were highly educated, were prepared to


come here to do jobs that were not at their level of educational


attainment. But that is questionable, because the sample


represents a small percentage of the population. The authors of the study


refused to make a prognosis on trends throughout the population of


Bulgaria. That is one intrinsic deficiency of such a survey if it is


to be extrapolated to general numbers. But in all situations where


you have one country where wages are much lower than in another country,


people will be prepared, despite having very advanced skills, to work


at a much lower level in another country. Given that part of the


problem in this debate is that in 2004, the doors were opened, as


evidenced by Ed Miliband. Can I do the apology on behalf of the Labour


Party? ! Do it again! There was a serious mistake made in 2004, which


is that all the British political parties believed an enlargement of


the European Union. Just let me finish. Not all of the parties said


that. Britain went out on a limb. Unlike France, Germany and Italy, we


decided to allow people to come to the UK immediately from day one and


be able to work. One of the things we have seen recently is that


unscrupulous employers in this country will bring in people from


much lower weight economies elsewhere in the European Union,


charge the cost of their travel, put them in substandard accommodation


and then not pay them the proper national minimum wage. That is


exploitation of those workers, and it undercuts British workers who


don't have the option of living in substandard accommodation. What can


we do? We could have a proper register of social housing so that


nobody is exploited in that way. Secondly, we need a proper national


minimum wage. People coming from Bulgaria would not get access to


We're looking at this. Let me go back... The nub of the issue here


is we have to have a farewell fair entitlement system. Now the cross-


departmental work that Mark Harper is doing where housing, welfare


entitlement and health care are going to be dealt with in a fairway


so the British public see that there is fairness in the system.


We're saying that Bulgarians and Romanians, what we found, one thing


that was found from the survey was that neither Bulgarians or


Romanians were influenced bit whole question of benefits or not. That's


not the point. Romanians were. Bulgarians were not influenced and


back to the questions of what type of work they want to do here. It is


the type of work for which are the Brits don't want to compete. This


is extremely important. No-one wants to work in substandard...


slightly... Substandard conditions. If there is exploitation... Do you


really want your countrymen and women to have to work in exploited


situations? No.Aren't you worried about brain drain in your own


country? We discourage of movement of people. We cannot stop them from


coming here on condition that they work here legally. Can I just say,


this is not specific to Bulgaria and Romania, it applies to other


countries as well. Where there's a big gap between wages you can earn


in this country, where even the national minimum wage seems a high


amount of money to somebody from some other countries, there is


always going to be that danger. You have to enforce the rules properly.


There hasn't been a single prosecution in the last two years


on the minimum wage. The bigger picture is this: We can't stop


people from coming here because we're members of the European Union.


They control the borders on this issue. It's economic madness. I put


it to you, it's economic madness for us, when we have 22% youth


unemployment, a million of our own kids are at home doing nothing, to


encourage even more people to come to this country. It's not a matter


of encouragement. No, you can't. We have the free movement of labour.


You're an MEP for whatever, you know, that is the law. The same way


that we have lots of British people working in other European countries.


They're different. The majority of British workers in the European


Union are pensioners. That's not true. A lot of British nationals


are working in Romania. I doubt that very much. I want to make the


point about the young people. I have very high level of youth


unemployment in my constituency. It's risen by some 200% in the last


year. I think, I do get quite angry with some British employers who


decide, who have decided not to bodger to train British youngsters


to work in the hospitality industry or construction industry. It would


be nice sometimes when you go into a British hotel if the receptionist


was British. So is this the Gordon Brown, British jobs for British


workers? No, it's not. But what we need to give our young people are


the skills and opportunity to go out and get those jobs. There's a


hotel in my constituency, quite often, it's not been able employ


locally. It's ended up employing from Estonia and lats Sree ya,


because they have so much get up and go they've got up and gone.


Doesn't that sho you that's a very good example to follow. So perhaps


some of the young people here who don't want to work in the


hospitality industry should adopt the attitudes. Some other countries


in Europe the hospitality industry is seen as a career not just a job


you do between other things. would like to see people here


working legally to be the scapegoat of some authorities don't impose


the labour legislation. If some Brits don't want to take the kinds


of jobs that are available that are contributing to the development of


your economy. Let's talk about this, is it a cultural issue then, are


you saying? What are people's fears? Is it about unemployment? Or


is it about changing communities? There are two things. One is that


people, quite rightly are concerned that our public services, hospitals,


our welfare system, housing, have come under pressure and have been


abused. It's only right that this Government actually puts checks and


balances in place so we have rigour in the system in the same way we've


closed down 500 bogus colleges. If the British public, we have to


carry their goodwill. If we are to have harmonious society you have to


make sure people understand the Government is being fair about


these things. That's one part of it. The other part is corporate. Hold


on a second. The corporate, look at tt pret Amman jer say they're


recruiting more British -- a manger say they're recruiting more British


people. The people who have been hurt most by this, I'm a Liverpool


lad, you represent Ron da, it's blue collar workers. The amount of


people in Liverpool now... It's blue collar non-workers. I don't


mean people refusing to -- work, I mean people who can't get jobs.


Brick layers, plumbers, electricians who can't get on site


any more because they're under cut and now they're driving taxis.


Briefly, what do you think about the tone of this debate generally


in Brit at the moment? It is discriminatory because the level of


Bulgarians is very low. Our compatriots are 0.1% of the


workforce. There is major influx probably of immigrants from non-


European Union countries and I hate to see my country at the centre of


the debate. Thank you all very much indeed.


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captivating. They are. I feature lots of school kids and tell them


about space. I do a demonstration of going to the loo in space.


Really? I won't do it here.Scary. I don't go into detail. But kids


are a new generation who aren't aware of what space is like. We're


talking about microgravity and all sorts of things. They're so wide


eyed when we think of kids as very sophisticated. This is next


generation. They're the generation to pay for all this coming. Mars


one has the right idea there, definitely. I don't think it's


going to be governments paying for. It it's going to be commercial.


They have the right idea by publicising it, by getting people


interested. Why do you think it is so important what's being done, do


people realise the level of science being done at the ISS. I think


space is a wonderful conduit to get kids excited about science. Space


is in the future going to be ruling our lives. It does now to a certain


extent. We don't realise it. people who are looking, the


commander on YouTube, realise what the Space Station is doing in terms


of the importance of its science? don't think many people realise the


importance of the Space Station. Most people don't know why it's


there. It's pretty, you get pictures beamed down. They don't


know that it's doing detailed scientific work. The next thing is


Mars one. Again, captivating people, captivating you. It's funny because


Mars One came as a side swipe. I had the same idea about six years


ago, that you had a Big Brother spaceship going to Mars and the two


winners come back home but everybody else... This is a one-way


ticket. Everybody else lives out the rest of their days on Mars. We


have found water there. It has an atmosphere. You could live there.


Would you go? Not now. I have a three-year-old daughter so I need


to make sure she's into the university system before I think of


that. Then I would retire to Mars, when I'm in my 70s and seen


everything earth has to offer, most of it any way, then I would go to


Mars. Thank you very much. Tomorrow Mars. Thank you very much. Tomorrow


morning's front pages: The telegraph, hospital hostels for


30,000 elderly patients. On the right side, medical student died


after taking banned weight loss drugs. Scrap planned petrol duty


increases. And attack on New York train, thwarted, a planned attack


between Toronto and New York. The guardian - death penalty threat for


Boston bombing suspect. And defence put at risk by EU poll. The


Financial Times: Fed and EU clash over US bank move. Rebel Syrian


general asked West to help wrest oil fields from Al-Qaeda groups.


The Daily Mail, banned slimming drug kills medical students. A


different story on the Express, it's official, wills and Kate's


daughter will become Queen. That's all from us tonight. We


leave you with pictures of the Gloucester meteor getting airborne


for the last time with help from a Chinook, Britain's first


operational jet plane developed in 1940 was being moved 1.5 miles to


its new home at Gloucestershire airport. Choc as way. Good night.


Good evening. I think Tuesday is going to bring some warm spring


Northern Ireland. The Western Islands of Scotland are breezy here.


To the East of Scotland, however, there will be sunshine. But in


England, the cloud is a lot more broken up. More sunshine around. If


you live across the south-east of England, East Anglia, too,


temperatures could get up to 21 degrees. On the other hand, across


Cornwall and Devon and especially across these coastal areas, low,


grey skies and some of that sea mist and fog creeping inland, hanging


around for much of the day in a few places. Across northern areas of the


UK, variable amounts of cloud. To the south of the country, the


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