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$:/STARTFEED. Tonight extraordinary scenes in ordinary America. | :00:12. | :00:18. | |
Jubilation as three women and a girl are released after years held | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
captive in suburban Ohio. Rescued by a neighbour who thought he was | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
hearing the screams of a domestic row. I saw this girl she's going | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
nuts on the door, I'm like what's your problem, are you stuck, just | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
open the door. She said she couldn't, he has it looked. | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
speak to the family of one of the victims. | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
In the last couple of hours Russia and America have called for an | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
International Conference on Syria, could it be too late to stop a | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
regional war. If Israel is now resorting to air | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
strikes to stop Lebanon's Hezbollah getting advanced weapons, this | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
won't be the last attack, and a wider conflict may already be under | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
way. Former Chancellor, Lord Lawson | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
mocks the Prime Minister's Europe strategy and says that Britain | :00:58. | :01:07. | |
should leave the EU. The renegotiation is just a fibleaf | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
I'm afraid. Will Number Ten be forced to come up with a new policy | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
all over again. We speak to two Conservative MPs. | :01:14. | :01:19. | |
Is high-speed rail the answer to the north-south divide, in | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
Andalucia they have had it for years, but the money has stayed in | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
Madrid. I want to find out if after 20 years of high-speed rail has any | :01:26. | :01:36. | |
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of this actually worked? Help me get out, I have been in | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
here a long time, the dozen words that signalled the end of a decade- | :01:42. | :01:48. | |
long ordeal, three women held hostage in an Ohio basement. Amanda | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
Berry, Gina DeJesus and Michele Knight disappeared from the same | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
Cleveland neighbourhood some ten years ago. They were found all | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
together just a couple of miles from where they had gone missing. | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
Two had been at the centre of a major police search, the third had | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
virtually fallen off the radar. Tonight praise for the women's | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
bravery as authorities admit they didn't have a clue. Questions into | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
how police failed to misthe alarms that neighbours had -- miss the | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
alarms that neighbours had raised up to two years earlier. We will | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
hear from a relative of Amanda Berry who is critical of the police | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
search for her family member. It was a prison for a decade, | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
nobody knew. Neighbours barbecued with the owner, there were no | :02:30. | :02:35. | |
complaints to police. But inside this house three women were kept | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
captive since disappearing from Cleveland streets around ten years | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
ago. Amanda Berry was 16 when she went missing on her way back from | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
work in April 2003. Her ordeal ended yesterday when she seized a | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
chance to escape. In hospital she was reunited with her family. With | :02:51. | :02:57. | |
her a six-year-old girl found at the house. Amanda Berry's daughter. | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
The real hero here is Amanda. I mean she is the real hero. She's | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
the one that got this rolling. We're just following her lead, | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
without her none of us would be here today. After a neighbour heard | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
her cry for help, Amanda Berry made a frantic phone call to police. | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
Hello police, help me, I'm Amanda Berry. You need police, fire or | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
ambulance. I need police. What's going on there? I have been | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
kidnapped and I have been missing for ten years and I'm here, I'm | :03:27. | :03:33. | |
free now. OK stay there with those neighbours. Can you help me, please. | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
You need to come now. We will get there as soon as you get a car open. | :03:38. | :03:44. | |
I need them now before he gets back. I heard her screaming, I'm eating a | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
McDonalds, I come outside and I see this girl going nuts trying to get | :03:47. | :03:53. | |
out of a house. I go on the porch. I go on the porch and she says | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
"help me get out, I have been here a long time". So I figured it was | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
domestic violence dispute, I open the door and we can't get in that | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
way because how the door is, it is so much that a body can't fit | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
through it only a hand, so we kicked the bottom, and she comes | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
out with the little girl and she says call 911, my name is Amanda | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
Berry. Also discovered in the house was Gina DeJesus, she was 14 when | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
she disappeared on her way home from school. Another woman, Michele | :04:23. | :04:30. | |
Knight, was also found. All three were last seen on Lorain Avenue in | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
Cleveland between 2003 and 12004. The house where they were held is | :04:34. | :04:42. | |
across the city on Seymour avenue. It belongs to this man, Ariel | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
Castro, a former school bus driver, police have arrested him and his | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
two brothers. In this stunned neighbourhood everyone is asking | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
the same question, how could they not know. The captive women were | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
never seen. There was no noise, there were no clues. Although one | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
neighbour had her concerns about the house. When I found out there | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
was a little girl up there that I saw her, I questioned them, he | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
shouldn't have a little girl because he doesn't have any women | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
in there, how could there be a four or five-year-old in the house. | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
There are serious questions for the police to, why didn't they join the | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
dots between these disappearances. They actually visited the address | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
twice. Once in 2000 because of a fight in the street, and again in | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
204 after Ariel Castro left a child una-- 204 after Ariel Castro left a | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
child unattended on a bus he was driving. Police knocked on the door | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
but nobody answered. For now there are no ce cim nations, only relief | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
-- recriminations, only relief. These three young ladies have | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
provided us with the ultimate definition of survival and | :05:44. | :05:50. | |
perseverance. The healing can now begin. The three women have now | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
been released from hospital. Reunited with families who doubted | :05:53. | :06:00. | |
they would ever see them again. I spoke a little earlier to Tina | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
Miller, the cousin of Amanda Berry, one of the three women rescued | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
yesterday. I asked her how the family learned Amanda had been | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
freed? I was actually at my son's yesterday. My sister called me on | :06:13. | :06:19. | |
the phone and someone actually had called her and told her that Amanda | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
of alive. This is what news my sister passed on to me. Of course | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
can you imagine, you don't think that you are going to hear these | :06:28. | :06:35. | |
words after ten years of not seeing her. So it was very surreal for me. | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
I mean you can imagine all the emotions, is it real, can it be | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
true, all the things that we have gone through. You know, what we | :06:44. | :06:50. | |
have heard. People saying they know her where abouts. Digginging for | :06:50. | :06:57. | |
her, so as you can -- digging for her, as you can imagine it was | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
quite overwhelming. Your hopes had been face raised before? Absolutely, | :07:00. | :07:04. | |
she was my cousin, her mother and my mother are sisters. You know I | :07:04. | :07:10. | |
have seen what it did to my aunt. It just destroyed her. To think | :07:10. | :07:16. | |
that she was in our own home town and in Cleveland, that is just | :07:16. | :07:22. | |
something that I can't even grasp still to this day. Amanda | :07:22. | :07:29. | |
disappeared ten years ago or me, did you think she was still alive? | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
As the years went on it was ...it was a little difficult because you | :07:34. | :07:40. | |
know, you kind of start to lose hope. You hear all these stories | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
with these girls being taken and human trafficking and you know, | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
will you ever see her again, you know. You just run through your | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
mind that you know the things I still hear her voice and you know, | :07:55. | :08:02. | |
I remember how she you know brushed her hair and how she looked and you | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
know. It is just, no, it was very hard for me at the end. When we had | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
her ten-year vigil it was very hard. How does that feel to know she was | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
only a few miles from the places the searches must have been going | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
on? It is incredible. How do you think that would feel? You have | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
them digging for her, you know, just a block or two from where she | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
actually was in captivity. That is incredible. You need to get to know | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
your where abouts, because somebody can sit with you, as I'm here right | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
now and you don't know what I have going on inside my house. It does | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
seem incredible, as you say, that the guy who discovered her, or who | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
she made contact with talked about the neighbour, and sharing ribs and | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
barbecues without ever suspecting him, right? You don't know who your | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
neighbours are. You need to find out what is going on. There is | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
being nosey and there is being cautious. You just want to know | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
where you are at. Has it taught you anything more about the police | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
search, because we know that the police went to the house, they were | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
called there a couple of years ago, and they went away when nobody | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
answered the door? For myself I think that the police could have | :09:16. | :09:24. | |
done a little bit more when she first came up missing. She was | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
classified as a runaway, that is not in her character. I don't care | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
how old you are, if you are 25, if you are missing you are missing. | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
What do you want to come out of this? You and your family have been | :09:37. | :09:46. | |
through something that is almost inconceivable for most people? | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
want for human trafficking to stop. These are girls, they are not money. | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
You don't make money off of people. We are not slaves, no-one should | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
own us, we are free, that is why good gives us that. We are not | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
meant to be sold into slavery. Held against our will into captivity. We | :10:06. | :10:15. | |
just need to get more laws passed. Thank you very much. Matt Zone is a | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
Cleveland City Councillor who has known a family of the other rescued | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
women, Gina DeJesus, since she went missing in 2004. He spent time with | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
the family this evening. Thank you very much, tell us how the family | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
are? The family is in a little shock right now. I was not able to | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
talk to Gina's mother and father, Nancy and Felix, they are with Gina | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
right now. But I did speak with her aunt who saw Gina and was able to | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
be with her as well as some cousins. They are a little overwhelmed. | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
There is a whole range of emotions that are going on as you can just | :10:50. | :10:57. | |
imagine. Gina is out of hospital, is she physically well? She is out | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
of the hospital, physically she's well. But there is ten years that | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
have gone by and you know we just, there is concern from the family as | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
well as people in the community how Gina's going to do, not only in the | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
next 30-days, but how is she going to be a year from now, two years | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
from now, five years from now. know Gina's family, but you also | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
know the suspect's family as well, they are pretty known around the | :11:23. | :11:29. | |
neighbourhood, right? I do. The Castro family is a prominent family | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
in the Hispanic community. The City of Cleveland's about a population | :11:34. | :11:40. | |
of 400,000 and roughly 10% are Hispanic. The patriarch of the | :11:41. | :11:47. | |
family, Cese Castro is well known and respected businessman in our | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
community. His brother Holio owns a hardware store around the corner | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
from where they found the suspects. It is shocking to think that this | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
could happen. I know there is embarrassment right now for the | :12:02. | :12:09. | |
Castro family with the thought that the suspect is actually a relative. | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
The question is how did nobody know, I mean as you say, a well known | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
family and a street where it looked as if everyone talked to each other, | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
sat out on their porches, passed each other by, how do you think | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
this was missed? In this part of our city, I mean Seymour Avenue | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
where they found the girls, it is more of a transient street. There | :12:33. | :12:39. | |
is not a whole lot of owner- occupiers, mostly rentals. There is | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
foreclosed unit as well as several condemned and boarded up houses on | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
the street. I think what is happening over time is when you | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
have more stable streets people start to know who their neighbours | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
are and look out for them. That might be why that kind of flew | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
underneath the radar screen. Tina, as you may have heard, was quite | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
critical of the police search when she talked to me earlier, they said | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
they had treated her as a missing person who had just gone off rather | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
than someone who had disappeared. Do you think the police have | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
serious questions to ask themselves about how this investigation was | :13:12. | :13:18. | |
conducted? I think the community in general has serious questions to | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
answer. Not only do the police, but the greater community. As well as | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
the families of these individuals, and the family of the suspect. We | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
all have to be accountable at the end of the day. It is easy right | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
now to point fingers, but we have to let the investigation unfold, | :13:35. | :13:41. | |
see how this thing plays out. At the end of the day we will get the | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
facts and we will get to the bottom of this. Where does the police | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
investigation go, they were called to the house a couple of years ago, | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
but walked away when nobody answered the door, right? I will | :13:52. | :13:58. | |
tell you in defence of our police department they really have | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
exhausted all efforts to find these young women. Every time a lead came | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
in they followed up on it. I have discussed this with our safety | :14:06. | :14:13. | |
director as well as our police chief. Just recently as last year | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
the City of Cleveland spent to close to several hundred thousand | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
dollars based on a tip they received from somebody that the | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
girls might have been buried in a field just several blocks from | :14:23. | :14:28. | |
where they found them. And they spent all night, 48 continuous | :14:28. | :14:34. | |
hours combing that area. It was based on a tip. So I'm not ready to | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
say that the police didn't do all that they should. Sure, and just | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
take us through what their strategy is now, what are they currently | :14:42. | :14:50. | |
working at? Sure, we are working very closely with multiple law | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
enforcement agencies. The Federal Bureau of Investigation, the FBI, | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
is kind of handling the lead for the investigations right now. All | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
of the interviewing process is being done through the FBI. The US | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
marshall service is involved, as well as our police department, and | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
our county Sheriff's department, all working in Unison with one | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
another to try to -- unison with one another to try to build a | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
timeline from the time the ladies went missing until he had why. | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
Piecing together all the interviews and creating a timeline for how | :15:21. | :15:31. | |
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things sequentialally have happened. Later this evening Russia and the | :15:32. | :15:37. | |
United States have pledged to try to push both sides of the Syrian | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
conflict to forge political transition. They want to build on | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
plan set out last year. Senator John Kerry says it shouldn't be a | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
piece of paper, but it comes as tension in the regions run high. | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
Two attacks by Israel on Syrian targets raise the prospect of its | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
deep involvement. Syria's President said his country could confront | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
Israeli aggression. What to make of it? Well this | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
process that has been announced tonight in Moscow, talks between | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
the Russian Foreign Minister and John Kerry the US Secretary of | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
State does appear to offer some thin sliver of hope. It could be | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
that it is due to the worsening of the situation that they have been | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
spurred into trying to do something. The White House has said, following | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
on from the announcement that its consideration of arming the Syrian | :16:24. | :16:30. | |
opposition is now being put on hold. Until they see whether this can get | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
somewhere. This was John Kerry earlier this evening. We have | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
agreed to use our good offices, both of us, to bring both sides to | :16:39. | :16:46. | |
the table working with our other core coalition partners and other | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
allies and interested party to bring both sides to the table in | :16:51. | :16:57. | |
partnership with the concern of foreign countries, that a committed | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
themselves to helping the Syrians to find a prompt and political | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
solution within the Geneva framework. John Kerry said he | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
doesn't want it to be a piece of paper, but can the two sides | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
realistically come around the table together at this point? This has | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
been the critical question when talks were held last year in Geneva. | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
It became pretty clear that the two sides of the Al-Assad Government | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
and the opposition just didn't have the will to do this. There were | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
preconditions talked about on both sides and they weren't prepared to | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
close the gap. The Russian Foreign Minister, I many you may say | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
putting a Russian spin on this evening, he claimed he had spoken | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
to the Syrian Government, they were prepared to come. They were | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
prepared to talk without conditions. And he implied that they were | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
willing to do it, but there was a question about whether the | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
opposition would. They have often said the ouster of the Al-Assad | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
Government is a precondition for talks. It is a difficult situation. | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
They are unlikely to bridge the gap, all the other indicators in the | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
region of increasing ethnic violence for example in one of the | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
Alawite areas close to the coast, in attacks over the weekend, | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
indicate a further rising of tension regionally. President Assad | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
himself has been on television this evening, responding to the Israeli | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
air strikes saying it is part of this broad conspiracy by regional | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
powers, the west and Israel, he said it was just another face of | :18:19. | :18:29. | |
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the terrorism the country is up against today. Allah hu Akbar. | :18:34. | :18:44. | |
Allah hu Akbar. So now Israel is being drawn into Syria's strive in | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
a highly visible fashion. A series of air strikes starting on Friday | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
has brought the two countries to the brink of war and spread alarm | :18:52. | :19:02. | |
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in the region. TRANSLATION: Israeli air strike on Damascus is | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
completely unacceptable, there is no excuse or pretext that can | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
justify this operation. These raids are nothing but opportunities, | :19:13. | :19:20. | |
trump cards present today Al-Assad on a golden plate. Israel gambled | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
that its bombing, which it still hasn't officially owned up to | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
wouldn't trigger an all-out war. But it took precautions against one | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
happening, calling up a reserve armoured division to reinforce the | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
border and stationing batteries of its Iron Dome missile defence | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
system near northern cities. The fear was that retaliation might | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
come in the form of hundreds rockets from Hezbollah, the | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
Lebanese militant Shi'ite movement, closely allied to Syria and Iran. | :19:50. | :19:56. | |
Israel's strategy is now focused on thwarting that alliance. In Israel | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
the set of priorities, Iran, Syria and what happened in Egypt in the | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
Sinai are the top three priorities right now in the region. The | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
combination of these weapons handing into the hands of Iranian | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
allies is up there with their priority, there is a real fear in | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
Israel that these weapons will be used. Either immediately or in the | :20:20. | :20:26. | |
very near future either from the Golan Heights or Lebanon. Or in | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
future conflicts between Israel and Hezbollah. They take it very | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
seriously. Israel's targets reportedly over a weapons convoy | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
with sophisticated anti-aircraft missiles in January. And again near | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
the Lebanese border four days ago, seemed to confirm an agenda of | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
trying to prevent transfers of advanced weapons to Hezbollah. The | :20:48. | :20:54. | |
recent strikes were apparently aimed at missiles called Fateh 110s, | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
being transfered from Iran to the Lebanese militant movement via | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
Syria. These would put much of northern Israel in range. The | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
Israelis have also struck the Jamraya research facility twice, | :21:07. | :21:13. | |
both in January and the last few days. It is claimed to be a | :21:13. | :21:19. | |
chemical weapons storage point. Syria has promised unspecified | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
retaliation if Israel attacks again. But Palestinian groups there say | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
they have been given the OK to attack Israel across the Golan | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
Heights frontier. Meanwhile Iran has been trying to beef up | :21:31. | :21:38. | |
Hezbollah's Arsenal as a means of deterring an Israeli attack on its | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
nuclear facilities. Putting Fateh missiles in southern Lebanon gives | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
Iran potentially a powerful retaliatory option against Israel. | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
The question now is whether Israel's action will cause Iran or | :21:51. | :21:57. | |
Syria, far from stopping, to accelerate their weapons deliveries | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
to Hezbollah, leading all sides into further escalation. If there | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
is a broader confrontation with Iran that country has responded to | :22:05. | :22:11. | |
the weekend's air strikes defiantly. TRANSLATION: Israel would not dare | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
to attack Iran, you can be sure of that. However, we are ready for any | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
course case scenarios, but at the same time we are sure that Israel | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
would not undertake such an operation. After these raids, the | :22:26. | :22:31. | |
stakes in Syria have been raised once again. But if Israel is | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
serious about stopping future transfer of weapons to Hezbollah, | :22:35. | :22:42. | |
they may have to strike again soon, with all the risks that entails. | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
Those fighting against President Assad's forces have now received | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
unwanted backing from Israel. The Syrian conflict has changed again | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
if for no other reason than the powerlessness of the military there | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
to protect their most sensitive installations from Israeli attack | :22:58. | :23:08. | |
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has been exposed. I'm joined by an Iranian writer and journalist, and | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
Dore Gold, a former Israeli UN ambassador, who also advised | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
Benjamin Netanyahu on foreign policy. Thank you very much for | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
joining me. Dore Gold, do you think this conference we have heard about | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
late this evening will happen and will it achieve what they want it | :23:24. | :23:34. | |
:23:34. | :23:34. | ||
to? From the Israeli perfective -- perspective it is essential that | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
the constant supply of weaponry to Hezbollah is stopped. Especially | :23:38. | :23:45. | |
the heavy weaponry, the rockets, like The Fat Duck 1-10, and the | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
counter aircraft weaponry that has been flowing in. People forget this | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
fundamental fact, but after the 2006 second Lebanon war, the United | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
Nations Security Council adopted a resolution 1701 that stated flatly | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
that all countries are prohibited from supplying weaponry to Lebanese | :24:05. | :24:12. | |
militias. So just even the supply of a simple sub-machine-gun would | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
be prohibited, but the supply of heavy dangerous weaponry that | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
changes the strategic balance, that is something Israel cannot tolerate | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
and will not allow its cities to be put at risk. It sounds from the way | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
you are talking as if it is too late for diplomacy, is that bluntly | :24:28. | :24:34. | |
how you feel? Well diplomacy started in 2006 with a clear UN | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
security resolution, supported by the United States, UK, Britain, | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
France, Russia, saying that there would be no supply of weaponry to | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
Lebanese militias like Hezbollah. That obviously has been violated | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
massively by Iran, with the assistance of Syria, and that has | :24:51. | :24:58. | |
to come to a halt. Otherwise what Israel will simply not tolerate is | :24:58. | :25:06. | |
a situation whereby let's say new supersonic anti-ship missiles are | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
given to Hezbollah which can be used to threaten the freedom of | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
navigation of Israeli shipping and even put our new gas fields at risk. | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
Interesting that when I raised this issue of the conference you know | :25:19. | :25:24. | |
you hear from Israel who are not even at the table in terms of the | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
Syrian talks, it is all about weaponry. Is it totally unrealistic | :25:28. | :25:34. | |
to think that anything will come out of talks now? Well from the | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
Iranian perspective and looking at the role Iran has played in it, the | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
advice Iran has been giving to Bashar al-Assad all along is | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
compromising projects an image of weak he is in. Iran has envoked the | :25:47. | :25:53. | |
experiences of dictators like Ben Ali in Tunisia and Mubarak in Egypt, | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
they compromised and invited their own demise. That advice they have | :25:56. | :26:02. | |
been giving all along is to stand firm. I think for leaders like in | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
Iran and Bashar al-Assad in Syria, victory looks very different than | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
what we may conceive of in the west. For them they have the long-term in | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
mind, to suffer great costs but to stay in power, despite all of that. | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
So Iran loves showing its people Syria in chaos then? It is very | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
expedient for Iran. Because it holds up a model that a model of | :26:24. | :26:30. | |
what will happen if you seek change. A bloody conflict in which 70,000 | :26:30. | :26:37. | |
people have already died. This invites caution inevitably amongst | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
the Irani people who have had a war and revolution in the recent | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
memories of most families. That is the convenient by-product of this | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
for the Iranian regime. Of the calculation that Assad would not | :26:50. | :26:59. | |
respond to the Israeli strikes then? I think President Assad | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
understands that Israel's complaint and constant protest about Syrian | :27:04. | :27:10. | |
behaviour relates to the supply of weaponry to Hezbollah. Israel is | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
not involving itself in the questions of the internal questions | :27:14. | :27:22. | |
of the Syrian Civil War. You heard the response as was portrayed as | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
the Iranian one, that the dictator has been seen to be standing strong. | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
Assad himself this evening said we have the capability of fighting | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
back? Well, but also Syria and the Arab states in general always say | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
they respect the terms of international legitimacy. Here you | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
have UN Security Council resolutions that have said in the | :27:45. | :27:51. | |
clearest of language that Lebanese militias cannot be rearmed, let | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
alone rearmed by these extremely destablising weapons, like the | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
heavy rockets that can hit and do enormous damage to Israeli cities. | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
We are not talking about the cartouches that have been used by | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
ham nas in the Gaza strip, we are talk -- Hamas in the Gaza strip, we | :28:08. | :28:13. | |
are talking about rockets 30-times more powerful. The motivation could | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
be to get these long range missiles into Hezbollah's hands very close | :28:17. | :28:25. | |
to the board we are Israel. Does that sound likely? I think it is | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
plausible at contingency planning Iran might try to move that kind of | :28:29. | :28:36. | |
weaponry to southern Lebanon. attack or defend? To have in place | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
as a deterrent against any potential Israeli strike on Iran's | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
facilities. Despite all the talk about weaponry, I think the reality | :28:44. | :28:49. | |
is all sides of this conflict have a lot to gain by things not | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
escalating further. Could Syria be the proxy war ground, if you like, | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
for conflict between Israel and Iran? I think that's exactly what's | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
happening. We are seeing the Afghanisation of Syria, in which it | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
has become a theatre for proxy strategic warfare between Iran and | :29:04. | :29:10. | |
Israel, on the one hand, Russia is involved. Saudi Arabia and Qatar | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
are arming Sunni militants affiliated with Al-Qaeda. Iran is | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
backing Hezbollah and the Alawites, we are seeing that kind of staging | :29:18. | :29:23. | |
ground. Thank you very much indeed. Nigel Lawson said it, many in his | :29:23. | :29:30. | |
party already think it, the UK would be better off outside the EU | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
Tomorrow is David Cameron's first chance to show if and how Ukip's | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
success in the local elections last week will affect the tone of his | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
policy making going forward. Has the Queen's Speech been hastily | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
rewritten this bank holiday weekend, or is the coalition confident | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
enough to hang on to what it has trailed before. Take us through, | :29:48. | :29:53. | |
first of all, Lord Lawson's comments, why are they so | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
potentially damaging? What Lord Lawson has done is taken David | :29:57. | :30:03. | |
Cameron's sensitively scheduled Europe strategy, because it had a | :30:03. | :30:08. | |
series, a sequence of events, and has fast-forwarded it to the most | :30:08. | :30:10. | |
difficult and troublesome bit. David Cameron said he wanted to | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
renegotiate and he will come back and be triumphant, and say these | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
are the bits I have renegotiated for you, now you can have a vote. | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
What Lord Lawson has said is that most difficult bit will be | :30:21. | :30:26. | |
meaningless. Here he can talking to my colleague Nick Robinson earlier. | :30:26. | :30:34. | |
Also they are afraid too, and I have a lot of friend in the | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
eurocracy, they all have this view too. They don't believe there is | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
anything, because they are frightened if they give anything to | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
us other countries will say they want this and that and the whole | :30:45. | :30:52. | |
thing will begin to unravel. The renegotiation is just a figleaf, | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
I'm afraid. The choice now whether David Cameron responds to that sort | :30:55. | :31:01. | |
of language and indeed the results for Ukip last year? I mean figleaf | :31:01. | :31:06. | |
is pretty painful, and "inconsequential", painful words | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
when it took so long for the Prime Minister to figure out exactly what | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
he wanted to say. The problem for Conservatives, looking at Lord | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
Lawson, he's incredibly respected, in and out of Ten Downing Street, | :31:18. | :31:23. | |
this isn't a person from eras past. The problem is they have to take | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
him seriously, but also he's speaking to the group out there | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
that thinks because the Prime Minister won't say what he wants to | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
renegotiate. He won't say that because he doesn't want that | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
shopping list for you and I to say you didn't get X therefore you have | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
failed. He won't do that. He is in a weaker position. But he has to | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
set out that kind of thing, they think, ahead of the next election, | :31:43. | :31:48. | |
otherwise the fear is that we end up with the same sort of stories, | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
Lord Lawson today and other people in the future, who pop out of the | :31:51. | :31:56. | |
wood work, say these things and the agenda is dominated by it. The | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
problem with the Thursday by- election, but also the elections, | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
is this sense of trust. People voted Ukip because of Europe, | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
immigration and a lot of things, but also possibly because at the | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
heart of it they felt that a lot of politicians don't actually honour | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
their words. That is what a lot of people I have spoken to today said. | :32:15. | :32:17. | |
The question of the referendum feeds into that. That if you | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
haven't done something that you said you would do ages ago and you | :32:22. | :32:25. | |
have this policy that is for tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow | :32:25. | :32:34. | |
then you are on weak ground. With me is Conservative MP Margot | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
James, and her colleague, Douglas Carswell, who has called for a Tory | :32:39. | :32:45. | |
counter-insurgency against Ukip. Margot James, Lord Lawson has | :32:45. | :32:47. | |
totally undermined the Prime Minister's Europe strategy with | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
that? Certainly it was a bit of a bombshell, I would agree. But I | :32:51. | :32:56. | |
read the article, and I found it wanting in several major respects. | :32:56. | :33:03. | |
I thought the way he dismissed the Prime Minister's strategy of | :33:03. | :33:08. | |
negotiating reformed Europe was really flawed. I mean he likened it | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
to 1975 and Harold Wilson's renegotiation. It was more than | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
that, he said he has spoken to people within the eurozone who have | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
made it utterly clear that they won't shift any ground. That is a | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
big full stop isn't it? That's possibly a negotiating strategy. I | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
don't suppose he has spoken to everyone who is going to be | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
involved in making these decisions. I think he's overlooking the fact | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
that we are already making progress. This isn't going to be one set of | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
negotiations on a specific date at some point in the future. It is on | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
going business, and we are making progress. Douglas Carswell, there | :33:40. | :33:43. | |
will be some saying it is your fault, those on the right who | :33:43. | :33:50. | |
pushed him to promise this referendum which now has not gone | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
far enough? I think Nigel Lawson's intervention sin credibly | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
significant, he understands economics, one of the most | :33:59. | :34:01. | |
successful Chancellors we have produced, and someone who advocated | :34:01. | :34:08. | |
to joining the ERM, the precursor to the euro now saying we should | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
get out. I think this strengthening the argument for what David Cameron | :34:11. | :34:16. | |
announced in January, which is to make sure that we have an in-out | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
referendum. Of course if Lord Lawson hadn't said it now, three | :34:20. | :34:25. | |
years too early? People say that the problem is that he's undermined | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
the idea that we can renegotiate. The beauty of an in-out referendum | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
is that Brussels is not just going to have to negotiate with the | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
Whitehall mandarins or David Cameron, they are negotiating with | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
the whole British people. And any deal that comes back is going to | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
have to persuade the constituents that elected me, that it is | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
worthwhile remaining insight. want that now, of course? | :34:47. | :34:50. | |
Personally speaking I would love us to bring forward the legislation | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
now for an in-out referendum. Before 2015? Absolutely. But part | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
of me actually thinks, no, we need a couple of years actually to make | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
the case for withdrawal. Is there any chance that could happen now? | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
think it is very unlikely. It would be unlikely any way to get a bill | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
through parliament. The numbers are stacked again that. I think that | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
the Prime Minister has committed to the very earliest point that he can | :35:15. | :35:17. | |
commit to knowing that parliamentary arithmetic. Which is | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
if a Conservative Government is elected we will have an in-out | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
referendum. He has become the Prime Minister who pushes things with a | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
vague promise of something happening finally and the | :35:27. | :35:32. | |
electorate is no longer trusting that? I don't think it was a vague | :35:32. | :35:37. | |
promise, I think it was a cast iron commitment to a referendum if the | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
Conservatives get elected at the 2015 election. Two years and too | :35:41. | :35:45. | |
many ifs, and they remember Lisbon? There won't be any point in | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
producing a referendum bill only set to failure. I wouldn't be | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
totally surprised that in the Queen's Speech we see proposals for | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
an in-out bill. What do you mean, do you know this is coming up? | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
at all, but if I was in Number Ten and I wanted to address the issue | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
of plausibilty I would be prepared to bring it through. Now if MPs | :36:06. | :36:08. | |
then voted to prevent that bill going through, we could see the | :36:08. | :36:13. | |
names of those MPs and the voters could make up their minds? What you | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
are saying is Ukip calls the tune now? We are in a democracy and the | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
voters want change. And the strategy then is for David Cameron | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
to look at Ukip's success and say we need to do what they are telling | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
us to do? Generally speaking in a democracy, when mainstream parties | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
are losing touch with the voters, the idea is you should recognise it | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
is not the fault of the voter, perhaps it is something that the | :36:35. | :36:38. | |
two-and-a-half party system is failing to ifrdl. Our fundamental | :36:38. | :36:43. | |
problem is...Is That right, you must start listeninging and follow | :36:43. | :36:48. | |
the Ukip lead? We never stopped listening. To Ukip, what they are | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
saying on Bulgaria and Romania at the end of the year? I don't think | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
it is Ukip we are listening to, it is the license rate, the people in | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
our constituencies, the people who contact us week in week out. Those | :36:59. | :37:04. | |
are the people we are listening to. It is clearly not otherwise they | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
wouldn't have left the Tories? commitment that the Prime Minister | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
made to an in-out referendum was made long before these local | :37:10. | :37:18. | |
election results. It was it was made more in response to the | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
Conservative Party and the public than it was in response it a | :37:21. | :37:28. | |
political party There was an important Maiduguri, as someone who | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
wants the UK out of Europe and wants an in-out referendum, I don't | :37:33. | :37:38. | |
think the key problem is policy s even if we delivered the policy | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
want would solve the problem, I don't think so. The reason so many | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
people vote Ukip is they don't like the two-and-a-half party system, | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
there is a lack of authenticity, there is a feeling that all | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
politicians are in it together. That we are perhaps a little bit | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
smug, out-of-touch. Think we know that Ukip are the insurgents, we | :37:58. | :38:05. | |
need a counter insurgency strategy. Does that mean risking losing the | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
centre ground? What it means first and foremost is we stop doing | :38:09. | :38:14. | |
politics as a Westminster party with a few local franchises. We | :38:14. | :38:20. | |
actually open up the party strategy so people own it a grassroots | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
strategy again. The Queen's Speech will also pave | :38:23. | :38:28. | |
the way for part two of HS2, releasing funding for the early | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
stages of the design of the high- speed rail link. Much has been made | :38:32. | :38:34. | |
of its potential for allowing economic developments to reach | :38:34. | :38:39. | |
parts of the country it doesn't normally reach. How much truth is | :38:39. | :38:45. | |
there to. That we have been off to find out. | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
There are many arguments made for high-speed rail, but the one the | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
politicians routinely reach for is this one? We do need to rebalance | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
the economy. It has been too dominated by the south and by | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
certain industries and I think high-speed rail will really help to | :39:02. | :39:09. | |
create a better balanced economy. It is their go-to argument whenever | :39:09. | :39:15. | |
the �34 billion price tag for HS2 is questioned. I think it will help | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
heal the north-south divide, which for so long as blighted the British | :39:19. | :39:24. | |
economy. You can see why the politics of high-speed rail is | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
attractive to the Government. And the economic case also seems to | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
have a certain plausibilty about it. If you half the journey times to | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
northern cities, well companies will be queuing up to relocate | :39:34. | :39:39. | |
their business away from the south. But is there any actual evidence | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
that this could or will happen? Is there any actual evidence that if | :39:43. | :39:46. | |
there is an economic dividend to be had from high-speed rail, it will | :39:46. | :39:54. | |
go to the north and not to the south. If we look at the evidence | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
from economic analysis and expowerence elsewhere around the | :39:58. | :40:03. | |
world, it is difficult to prove a link between building high-speed | :40:03. | :40:08. | |
rail lines and closing regional inequalities or disparities. Very | :40:08. | :40:12. | |
difficult indeed. In terms of there is evidence it seems to suggest | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
that capital cities gain the most from the building of these new | :40:15. | :40:22. | |
high-speed rail lines. There is no point me hanging around here | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
waiting for the first high-speed train to Manchester or Leeds. They | :40:26. | :40:32. | |
won't be departing until 20.33 at the very earliest. However high- | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
speed rail is not a new idea. There are plenty of cities in the world | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
that already have it, where the economic impacts are well | :40:39. | :40:48. | |
documented. This can probably claim to be the world's first high-speed | :40:48. | :40:55. | |
railway, the propeller-driven Zeppelin train that hit 145 miles | :40:55. | :41:05. | |
an hour in Germany. Perhaps we need a more modern example? Here in | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
Spain they have the future for 20 years lr. Back in 1992 the | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
Government built a high-speed rail line between Madrid and Seville, | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
the objective was clear, they wanted to spread the wealth, jobs | :41:15. | :41:20. | |
and opportunity away from the rich capital in the north to the | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
impoverished south. Reverse the geography and you have a very | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
familiar argument. What I want to find out is after 20 years of | :41:27. | :41:34. | |
having high-speed rail has any of this actually worked? I certainly | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
didn't meet anyone in Spain who wanted to go back to the days | :41:37. | :41:41. | |
before high-speed rail. Least of all the President of the Company | :41:41. | :41:48. | |
that runs the trains. Most of the people were quite critical with | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
first doping the line between Madrid and Seville rather than | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
between Madrid and Barcelona or other more popular places. But it | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
was really successful. Most of the people will come again by train | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
transportation. There has been a lot of development in Seville and | :42:05. | :42:12. | |
also in the surroundings of Madrid. So the balance of these first high- | :42:12. | :42:16. | |
speed trains in 1992 was really successful. The Spanish experience | :42:16. | :42:21. | |
is that the territory is very suitable for high-speed train. I | :42:21. | :42:29. | |
think that this is a case for the United Kingdom too. | :42:29. | :42:34. | |
The journey to Seville now takes two at a quarter hours, as opposed | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
to seven hours by train and ten by car before advent of high-speed | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
rail. That is undoubtedly a huge benefit to the people who already | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
had to make the trip. But, say economist, the Andalucia region | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
itself hasn't benefited nearly as much as you might expect. | :42:53. | :42:59. | |
problem with Seville and the south of Spain is that there is a lack of | :42:59. | :43:04. | |
other conditions like for example skills in people, attitudes, | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
diversification of the economy. So the high-speed train contributes | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
but a little. Nowadays to promote a region you need innovation, you | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
need education, you need good attitudes from people. Those things | :43:18. | :43:23. | |
in Seville and the south of Spain they are not promoted or developed. | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
Have many companies relocated their operation from Madrid to Seville? | :43:28. | :43:35. | |
don't think so. No. In Seville I have come to see a company that has | :43:35. | :43:45. | |
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relocated and loves high-speed rail. Altmann sources and tests the | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
components that go into -- this company sources and tests the | :43:49. | :43:55. | |
component that is go into sat right. They relocated in 1992 from Madrid | :43:55. | :44:01. | |
to Seville. It has been a tremendous achievement in the sense | :44:01. | :44:06. | |
of time. It takes between two and a quarter and two-and-a-half hours to | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
get there are centre to centre. right next door to this high-tech | :44:11. | :44:16. | |
lab there is another story to tell. This was the site of the 1992 | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
Seville expo. The high-speed rail line was part of the futuristic | :44:20. | :44:26. | |
package. When the expo closed the local Government offered very | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
generous incentives to companies like this to move in. It was this | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
and the other supsidies that tempted them to relocate, not just | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
the line. We moved mainly because for three reasons, the first one of | :44:38. | :44:43. | |
the support of the local Government and the City Council. They were | :44:43. | :44:49. | |
providing at that time to companies move. The second one of the | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
existence of a very good technical university in Seville. It is a good | :44:53. | :44:58. | |
source for a highly qualified and motivated professionals. Then the | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
last one that would have been excluded was the existence of good | :45:02. | :45:07. | |
connections with Madrid. Would you have moved without the availability | :45:07. | :45:17. | |
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of this building at a very good rate? Possibly not. This is not | :45:18. | :45:23. | |
that far off what they had in Spain before high-speed rail. So the | :45:23. | :45:28. | |
savings in journey times were huge, far higher than promised for the UK, | :45:28. | :45:32. | |
which is already pretty well connected. That's why a Labour | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
Government review concluded that such a scheme wasn't worth the cost. | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
And if there are any benefits from reduced journey times for the UK, | :45:40. | :45:44. | |
economyists say they are likely to go to firms in London. | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
More productive firms in cities like London will be able to serve | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
distant markets in northern cities, much more efficiently from the | :45:53. | :45:58. | |
existing base rather than from bases located in the northern | :45:58. | :46:04. | |
cities. So if the time to market is reduced between London and the | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
northern cities, that is going to mainly benefit firms already based | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
in London. That seems to be what happens in most of the case around | :46:13. | :46:18. | |
the world where the railway lines are introduced. If you had a London | :46:18. | :46:21. | |
and Manchester office, and high- speed rail comes along, you might | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
be tempted to close the office because you can serve the | :46:24. | :46:32. | |
Manchester market from London? run the office down over time. | :46:32. | :46:38. | |
"their lawns our jobs" that was the slogan of those opposing the scheme, | :46:38. | :46:45. | |
nim bees standing in the way of regeneration in the north. | :46:45. | :46:48. | |
finding any clear evidence that is what would happen has been | :46:48. | :46:53. | |
difficult. Of course it would be amazing if building something like | :46:53. | :47:03. | |
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this, spending �34 billion on a new rail line didn't some -- create | :47:05. | :47:15. | |
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some jobs. But could the money be The * telegraph suggests that Sir | :47:50. | :47:55. | |
Alex Fergsuoned my be about to to call time on his career at | :47:55. | :47:59. | |
Manchester United. There will be more on that tomorrow. We learned | :47:59. | :48:06. | |
today that the animator Ray Harrison has died aged 92. We leave | :48:06. | :48:16. | |
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Hello, after the UK's warmest day of the year so far, the weather is | :48:43. | :48:47. | |
now in a mood to change. And Wednesday brings a band of rain | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
spreading north, not going to northern Scotland until the evening | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
and behind it will brighten up in Northern Ireland and England and | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
Wales as we go through the afternoon. Bright spells but a much | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
fresher feel in Northern Ireland with the stronger breeze. Some rain | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
through the central belt at 4.00. The far north of Scotland with | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
warmth but with a strengthening wind, the rain getting in during | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
the evening. Across northern England behind the rain it will | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
brighten up, we also see heavy showers breaking out, particularly | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
through central and eastern parts of England through the mid-to-laid | :49:18. | :49:23. | |
afternoon maybe with a rumble of thunder. Bright spells to breezy | :49:23. | :49:27. | |
conditions, still warm high teens but not the 20s we saw today. The | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
fresher feel into south England and Wales. Plenty of dry weather to end | :49:31. | :49:35. | |
the day, maybe the odd passing shower in the brisk south-westerly | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
wind. It stays fairly unsettled as we go through the re- of the week. | :49:39. | :49:44. | |
For Wednesday most of us will see a -- the rest of the week, most of us | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
will see rain coming through during Thursday and the difference on | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
Thursday will be an even stronger wind. It looks as if southern | :49:52. | :49:56. |