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pagentry aplenty, but are the couple at the heart of the


coalition Government arguing over the kids?


This programme has learned that This programme has learned that


Nick Clegg may block reforms to childcare ratio, one of the


flagship policies of the Queen's Speech.


It was meant to be a done deal, but in the last hour the Deputy Prime


Minister's office has confirmed to this programme that he may not sign


it off. Also tonight as Manchester United


says goodbye to the very best, we asks what makes a manager great.


Most people at the top of business and sport are not the easiest


people to get on with, because they are like that and used to battering


doors out. We speak to Mark Hughes, his friends and the think-tank.


We are on Pakistan's campaign trail. What you are seeing is a revolution.


I am this is beyond, if you see the fashion, this is not normal


politics. This is an uprising from the grassroots.


Hello, good evening. To the public looking on it was a fairly


faultless parade of unity, but tonight this programme has learned


that the Deputy Prime Minister is he at odds with the Prime Minister


over one of the key policies laid out in the queens speech. Newsnight


has learned that conversation reforms for affordable child


cautious particularly the ratio of children to child minders has not


been signed off by Nick Clegg. On the very day the measures were laid


out by the Monarch in parliament, the Lib Dem leader has made it


clear he remains to be persuaded this is the right thing to. Do Our


political editor joins us. What have you learned? In the last


few days Nick Clegg has told colleagues across Government that


the Liberal Democrats won't, afterall, be supporting this ratios


measure. It sounds incredibly technical, but I imagine quite a


lot of viewers have heard about it. It is this move to get young


children under the ages of one, two, three, being looked after across


greater ratio. So one person would look after four, where as they had


been looking after three. The reason why this is important is


firstly what it means about how the coalition does its business, and


secondly about the specifics of childcare which, remember, are so


central to this Government, it isn't a niche issue, it has become


about getting more women in work, it has become about living


standards and the cost of living. Process wise this was a policy that


was finished, it was done, it is due to come in September. It was


not open for revisiting. That's what Nick Clegg has done by saying


do you know what, I can't actually deal with this any more. In terms


of what that means about other coalition policies, well some of my


sources are saying this evening what's fair game for them, as


Conservatives, to go around and start picking. In terms of


childcare Newsnight has been to France with the minister that is


responsible for this, we have seen them really try to grapple with


whether this policy work. She truly believes that if you don't do this


policy you don't bring down the cost of childcare. That is what


they are trying to do. My sources say that if they don't do this the


whole costing of the whole policy falls apart. Remember this is a key


offer of both coalition partner, not just the Liberal Democrats or


the Tories on their own. Year after year, the Queen has


arrived for the State Opening of Parliament. But this morning


something was different. Prince Charles came too for only the


second time ever. So did his wife, the Duchess of Cornwall, for her


first time. Today it gave us a sense of transitions to come. The


contents of the Queen's Speech was also about the future. The collapse


of the coalition's childcare policy, just bun premonition of some fights


ahead. The 15 bills the Queen came to deliver today had few onate


embellishments, but performed strict functions, there were many


issues about immigration. And action to care for people in their


elderly years Her Majesty could have been reading out two party


manifestos. My ministers will continue to prioritise measures


that reduce the deficit, ensuring interest rates are kept low for


homeowners and businesses. Prince allowed himself the odd tap


of the foot and the Queen moved at a perky pace too, her speech all


wrapped up within eight minutes. For the kfrs it had a very serious


purpose -- the Conservatives, it had a very serious purpose, to


define their message or be smothered by Ukip. As MPs filed


back from the Lords to the Commons, they might have reflected this


Queen's Speech marked the transition from one parliament to


the other, the beginning to the end. This year's is probably the last


significant programme of legislation before the next general


election. There will be another one, it is just that with 12 months to


go before the country goes to the polls it is unlikely that the


coalition will be able to agree on enough to make the next Queen's


Speech a chunky one. One MP spoke for many Conservatives when he told


us that he would have liked to have seen an EU referendum bill today.


But he's confident the future will be different. I think this is the


last rose garden Queen's Speech, moving to the jungle next year, it


will be no holds barred next year. We have to put forward, as a


Conservative Party a very attractive compelling narrative by


way of the Queen's Speech, which allows the voters to distinguish


between us and the Liberal Democrats. I think we will see that.


The people around David Cameron are very mindful that must be the


number one priority, to have an authentic Conservative message next


year. One of his Lib Dem partners was more sanguine, Tim Farron


thinks disagreements are manageable. We disagree on issues of fairness.


You will see that long before next year's Queen's Speech, which will


be on issues of taxation. I'm sure George Osborne will want more tax


cuts for the gaelty and Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems calling for more


tax cuts for the poorer people and those on middle incomes. That will


be our priority and continue to be a fight, but a good-natureed one.


Despite all the appearences of the Queen's Speech and the debate


afterwards that the Tories are leaning in to tackle the UKIP


threat, actually, many Conservatives still harbour some


hopes of winning over centrist voters. But there are some who will


think they won't be able to win over both types. Ed Miliband knows


this, that is why he teased the Prime Minister today.


honourable member for mid-Somerset, he goes even further, he is nodding,


he wants a coalition right now with UKIP. Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, they


used to call them clowns, now they want to join the circus! The Prime


Minister was clear about his plans, and he challenged Ed Miliband.


the deficit they would increase it, on competitiveness they would put


up taxes not cut them, on welfare reform they have opposed every step


we have taken to make our system fair and affordable. These are the


argument that is will dominate this Queen's Speech this session and the


general election. But the Labour leader made sure UKIP was front and


centre in the debate. As someone once said, he's in office but not


in power. Because what is their party spending their time talking


about, not youth unemployment, not the NHS, not the living standards


crisis but the one subject, they are obsessing about day in day out


is Europe and UKIP. Today that red carpet is served for two


generations of royals, a Queen and her son. If the fate of the


childcare policy is anything to go by, the other transsignificant, as


we enter the beginning of the end of the coalition Government, won't


get tide up so neatly. Let's discuss this now with the


Conservative Party chairman. Let's catch up with what we have heard


from Nick Clegg's office in the last hour or two, what will you do


if he doesn't support this? whole thrust of the Queen's Speech


is helping hard working families who want to get on in life, that


includes families who happen to have children. There are a couple


of parts to the proposal, one is to make sure people can have a tax


break on their child cautious up to 20% of the costs there. The other


is this element you were just talking about earlier which is at


the moment in this country, unlike say in France or Germany, the ratio


of carers, in other words, nursery teachers or child minders that you


need to have to children is much lower, or higher, depending on how


you look at it. For example you need to, at the moment, if the


child is under two, and it is in nursery, there is one child, there


is one person looking after them for every three. We want to move


that to to one to every four. It is a bit more complicated than that,


because there are different levels for nursery teachers and child


minders. I think our viewers are familiar with this because it is a


story we have covered a few times. The line from the Deputy Prime


Minister's office is he has looked very closely at the proposals to


increase the number of children each adult has look after, he has


serious concerns, raised by parents and childcare providers and he


remains to be persuaded it is the right thing to. Do he is not


convinced we thought was something signed off by the Queen today?


me explain the process. The reason I go into some detail about the


number of children for the different levels is there has been


a consultation, which has gone out with the full authority of the


Government and both sides of the coalition, and has asked these


questions about what the levels should be for children of different


ages and under different types of childcare. You have had a petition


of 11,000 people saying they disagree with the proposal that is


are going through on this issue? The whole point of a consultation


is get people's views. And you have 11,000 protesting, so the Prime


Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister is not alone in this, he is now


saying he won't sign off something which is absolutely integral to


your childcare reforms? What we think and the Conservative side of


this coalition believe that parents who want to go out, working hard,


want to get on in life should be able to look after their children,


or have them looked after if they want to go back to work and for


that to be affordable N this country it is not. A lot of people


will be sympathetic with the plans. I just want to step in, this isn't


about the policy itself, this is about whether the two leaders at


the top of the coalition have agreed to something that everyone


saw the Queen sign off today F it is not signed off and there is


horse trading, what does that mean for the rest of the stuff? There


are one or two lines in the Queen's Speech which talked about what we


absolutely will do, which is the hard working families out there, we


will make sure that childcare in this country becomes affordable


again. By the way to answer the question by people who have


petitioned and what have you, you want the quality of that childcare


to be higher, you want to have the higher level of qualification,


which isn't always used at the moment. Whether that's a


childminder or in a nursery, so higher quality, I think more


practical versions of this. Who seriously thinks a child under one


a childminder can only look after one, who thinks that really? Do you


think this is a done deal, signed off, in the books by September,


which is what we have all been led to believe? I think there will be a


package and that will include a tax break. And these other issues?


Which will be up to �6,000 for families T will also include


changing these ratios, the important thing is it is out for


consultation. If Nick Clegg will agree? Everything has two stages,


it goes to consultation with Government agreement. Isn't


consultation usually before it has been announced? Let me explain, it


goes to consultation, that has to have Government agreement. Then it


has to be implemented and you look through the consultation, you


decide what you will agree on, that is the bit you are now having this


discussion about. It is just that last bit of T as we have done with


so many other issues, many as big or bigger as a coalition, we will


get to the bottom of this and put plans in place that are on the side


of hard-working families. Immigration, you have put that at


the centre of much of what was talked about today, landlords to


check on tenants, doctors to check on migrant status, and businesses


that have to crackdown on whether they use illegal labour, this is


outsourcing isn't it? I was Housing Minister and it is absolutely right


that when somebody rents out a property they should know whether


that person is supposed to be here in the first place, it is not an


unreasonable thing to ask of somebody renting. When you consider


at the moment a local council doesn't even ask that question


before shelling out housing benefit, thousands of pounds potentially,


that can't possibly be right. A lot of the time the landlord in


question here will actually be the state, the Government, the local


authority, I think it is absolutely right to have them ask precise low


that question. There is no register in this country, in England, there


is no register, there is nothing that compels landlords to do this.


There is nothing that will check up on whether they have. What is the


incentive and what is the punishment? There are all sorts of


laws in which there is no specific check against the law and there are


fines. You will fine? Absolutely. And check up on landlords? There


are he can chs in the system. There are all sorts of things that people


know there are things against the law. The landlord may be the local


authority in many of the cases, it may be a private landlord. We


expect private landlords to keep all kind of laws to do with health


and safety, this is no different. Doctors to check on migrants'


status, now it is the GPs that are a new Border Agency? I don't think


there is anything particularly shocking or surprising your viewers


will find unusual about the concept, before somebody accesses what can


be very expensive services in this country, like the NHS, that there


ought to be a reasonable check as to whether somebody has actually


paid into the system and indeed should even be in this country in


the first place. Are they legally here? It is a perfectly reasonable


thing. Most people watching this will ask why has that not been done


a long time ago. Ed Miliband called this a speech to "out-Farrage


Farrage"? It is up to Ed Miliband to come up with policies all of


which we have yet to see at this stage. The Queen's Speech indicates


15 pieces of legislation that we are hard at work to help people in


this country who want to work hard and get on with life. It doesn't


matter if it is the Immigration Bill stopping people accessing


services, or long-term care that means you don't have to sell your


home any more, or the fact that you will get a decent single-tier


pension from 2016. All those things are in the Queen's Speech, and we


are on the side of people who want to work hard and get on in life.


Coming up: This is an uprising from the


grassroots. We take to the skies with Pakistan's election candidates.


Despite the pomp at Westminster it was footballing royalty that


arguably stole the show today. The man who promised to knock Liverpool


off their "f-ing perch" amongst other things retired today. Alex


Fergsuon leaves Manchester United, a club worth many millions with 38


trophies under his belt. His approach was more despot than


democrat, but it worked. The BBC understands that David Moyes will


be announced as the new manager tomorrow. We look at what made Sir


Alex the best. Manchester United have won the


European Cup, it is astonishing. He stabbed it with his right foot and


Manchester United rule Europe. is an achievement that symbolises


almost everything that Sir Alex Fergsuon has come to represent. On


May 26th 1999, Manchester United defeated Bayern Munich with a last-


minute strike to win an unprecedented treble. It spoke of


resilience, tenacity and unwaviering commitment to success.


As Fergsuon himself put it, "we never give up, the time to give up


is when you are dead". Fergsuon is a deeply polarising figure, there


is no doubt he's a collosus of the modern sporting world. His


retirement leaves a void, not just in the world's biggest club, but in


one of the nation's most important cultural institutions, football.


How did he achieve so much? How did he take a club and sport


languishing in the 1980s and set in train what can only be described as


a revolution. It all started in Govern. Fergsuon grew up in ten


meant building in the industrial heartland of Glasgow. It was there


he learned the things that would dominate his managerial style. The


importance of community, discipline and solidarity. That heavy


industrial heritage that is where it all comes from. You would have


to have grown up in the communities to know why. Loyalties certainly


come into it, "loyalty" is a word Fergsuon always uses, next to


"power", it was probably one of his favourites. And Fergsuon's loyalty


is that loyalty is people being faithful to him! Fergsuon was


interested not merely in building a team but in creating a dynasty.


Like Sir Matt Busby before him. He made a conscious attempt to have a


mythology around United. The Busby Babes after the Munich plane


disaster. He was not interested in players playing merely for the pay


check, he wanted them -- pay cheque, he wanted them to buy into


something more visceral. Under him the team became a family a tribe.


No retrospective can ignore Ferguson's darker side. I don't


know what you are name is I'm not interested in what you have to say.


He was controlling and at times manipulative. He banned journalists


who wrote negative stories, even when they were true. He boycotted


media organisations, including the BBC. At times Old Trafford seemed


like a personal fiefdom. expressed himself through the


questioning of other people's motives. Not just referees, we know


about that, working on referees. But working on the mixture


compilers for conspiring against Manchester United, against the


television companies for their scheduling, against the Premier


League for mitigating since Manchester United's Champions


League chances by the dates of matches. All this as decribing of


bad faith to -- ascribing of bad faith was something that didn't


happen in the past. Managers previous were sportsmanlike in


public, they might not like it in private, but they were in public,


Ferguson has changed all that. Clive Woodward, one of sport's most


influential leaders argues that these defects could be great


strengths. Most people at the top of business and sport are not the


easiest to get on with, they are like that and used to battering


doors down. That is what you want. At a dangerous time you put in the


popular person or somebody to get on with everybody, that doesn't


always produce a winning team in my experience. You want someone out


there an out-and-out leader and figurehead who knows everyone will


follow him. He's that person. I think Alex Ferguson would have been


successful whatever he did. It is one of the great ironies of


Ferguson's tenure that this avowed socialist presided over the


transformation of the club into a bastion of global capitalism. The


club was purchased by family of American entrepeneurs and loaded


down with leveraged debt. It caused a breakaway amongst hardcore fans.


It was only the success of the manager that held the club together.


Ferguson's success at United has coincided with a boom in one of


Britain's most successful exports. Whilst the Premier League is big it


is only as big as its aggregate stellar clubs, there is no club


bigger on a worldwide basis than Manchester United. There is no


single character, whether it be a player or whoever who has been


involved in Manchester United that comes bigger than Sir Alex. So in a


sense, if you look at me as the "chief salesman" of the Premier


League, I have been out there selling, do you want a watch, do


you want this or that. But the biggest product I have had to sell


is the fact that when they buy the Premier League they buy Manchester


United, and when they buy Manchester United they buy Sir Alex


Ferguson. Before Ferguson's tenure football was almost a different


sport. The creation of the Premier League in 1992 was a watershed that


coincided with the beginning of Ferguson's dominance. 85-86 there


was no television deal, no Match of the Day. The BBC didn't want to


show highlights. We had no television deal at all. There was


no football on television, you couldn't give it way. Then we had


the tragedies of Bradford and Hillsborough, and then we had all


the fall-out from that. Don't underestimate how big a part that


played really in the resurgence. Because, again, the fact that the


Premier League was even able to break-away. It wouldn't, and


couldn't happen today. It was at a time when nobody was interested.


is not just the fans who have been spooked. United's value plummeted


today by �80 million on the opening of the New York Stock Exchange.


David Moyes, a fellow Glaswegian, is expected to be announced as


Ferguson's successor. He will take over from one of the most xelgs


compelling and complex figures in British sports. Mark Hughes was one


of his early signings, he went on to play for Manchester United and


managed Fulham and Queens Park Rangers. I asked him what set Sir


Alex apart? It is his retire and will to win. That is what he


imparts on players. I was very fortunate to play for five or six


years under him. His determination to succeed as a manager and


determination to make you better as player was there every single day


that I was there and certainly that's continued for the whole of


the 26 years I'm sure. When I first went there United weren't in a


great situation in terms of the quality of the team. But obviously


as time has passed he has addresseded that very, very quickly


and has had addressed that very, very quickly and had success that


won't be emulated again in my view. When you say that desire to succeed,


was he terrifying as a manager? Absolutely, yeah. When he first


came down from Scotland he found things that were completely at odds


than he would find, he knew he had to address them and stamp his


authority. He did that very, very quickly. But all accounts he has


mellowed, I'm not sure he has. He has had to manage in a different


way. It is a different era. The dressing rooms are different to


when he first came down from Scotland. The dressing room was


dominantly British and now it is a lot more diverse. He has had to


change I'm sure. That is one of his great strengths he has never stood


still. A lot of managers have gone out the game because they have


thought that what they did 20 years ago would stand them in good stead,


but he has always embraced new things. What if you disagreed with


him, was there room for disagreement in the skad? Sfrpblgt


you could disagree, but in some -- You could disagree, but in no


uncertain terms he would tell you you were wrong. You could have a


voice, I was present on a number of occasions when players went head-


to-head with him. You always knew he was the boss and fundamentally


you always knew what he said was right. You had the utmost respect


for him, at times you didn't particularly like him because of


the way he was. He made you a better player and that is why you


had great respect for him. When you were managing Manchester City,


could you have gone to him at that point for advice? I'm not sure


about that. Possibly. In fairness to him he was always very open and


always has been ever since he has been a manager. And since I have


been a manager he is always there for you. He's very good with young


managers. He's very good with ex- players trying to find a way in


this crazy world of football. You knew that if you were in a real


tight spot that he would help you. I don't think he possibly would


have been as forth coming when it was Manchester City manager, but


certainly you knew that there was a pool of knowledge that you could


tap into any time I'm sure. We hear those quotes that he wanted to


"knock Liverpool off its f-ing perch", his feelings towards


Manchester City were similar to the end. Do you think he was driven by


the desire, not just to win, but to really see the others put down?


think he just had a real desire to see Manchester United top of the


pile. When he came down from Scotland the team itself was


underperforming, it was a mid-table First Division side. Quickly


addressed that and made them the superpower that they are now. It is


all down to him. Down to his desire, his determination to take United


where he felt they rightly should be. Only a man of his stature was


able to do it. We know that David Moyes going to be put into the job


is that the right choice? Congrat layings to him and he's an


outstanding manager. He has -- congratulations to him he's an


outstanding manager and he has shown that in his longevity in the


job. He will be viewed as a manager who can come in and stead Yeo the


ship and make sure things -- steady the ship and make sure things


continue in the same vain. Joining me -- vein. Joining me now is Danny


Finkelstein, and Alastair dam bell and my guest from America. Did the


think-tank see this? I'm a great sceptic about managers, I think


most of the time they make no difference, but there are a few who


are an exception and he was. You can plot the wages against points.


You can see whether someone just basically spends the money and gets


back what you would expect. That is what Roberto Mancini this season


has done. But Alex Ferguson season after season is outperforming the


money. He's an above-the-curve manager. He was our Manager of the


Season this year. When he look over in 1986 that was the trajectory he


wanted, where did the tipping point come? We have only been doing


statistics for ten years, he clearly had a run-in period. What


is also apparent is Manchester United as an organisation stuck


with him. Lots of organisations, it has happened to Brian McDermott,


Manager of the Month one month and sacked the next. Articlely Acelotti,


in April and March Manager of the Month and sacked in May by Chelsea.


But Alex was allowed to lose two back-to-back titles to Chelsea and


they didn't make him retire. As an organisation they understood that


results compared to the mean, that statistics bounce about but he was


the right manager. Does statistics show that lesson that you stick


with the guy who is failing because consistency is more important than


change? I think consistency is very, very important. I think the fact


that Alex Ferguson has been manager of the club for 26 years


consistently, as you have just pointed out, he had a sticky first


five years. I think they lost 5-1 to Manchester City in the first few


years, there were calls for his head. The manager of the club stuck


with him.S had an interesting change, I felt very sad, like Peter


Schmikel that Alex was retiring. You have David Gill from the club


as CEO and the manager going at the same time. Or a similar time, it is


interesting that they moved so quickly on David Moyes. I had to


correct one thing, the fall in the share price was not as substantial


as the report suggested. By the close it was down about 2%, about


$60 million. Given the significance of the change I think the club has


handled it very well. Certainly in the early days. I think David Moyes


has to be given time, that is the critical issue, coming back to the


point about consistency. That David Moyes will have his ups and downs,


and it is very important that the board give him time to make his


mark as they gave Alex Ferguson the time he needed from 1986. It looks


like we have decided's in the job as of tomorrow? Apart from Sam


Allerdyce he's the only one above the line, he achieves more points


than the money. His resignation, might have pre-empted his decision


by a few days, but he was one of the few people in those jobs who


could decide when he went, rather than the other way around? It was


important to him that he did that. As he has been successful over time


he has become more powerful within the club and within the game. Mark


Hughes is not the only manager to talk in those terms about Alex


Ferguson, because he has people all over football. He was pretty much


unsackable, but I think he wanted to go when he was strong, when he


just won another title. The handing over to David Moyes is part of a


transition. Because he picked him? He is clearly involved in that. He


wants the club to be in good shape. He wants somebody to come in and


build on what he has done. He won't be a back seat driver, he will


definitely be involved, an ambassador and director for the


club. He is a legend. The word "legend" is overused in football.


He is a legend. He's a great believer in history, and the power


of history for the here and now. Manchester United is now an even


bigger club as a result of what he has done today. Because it is the


latest chapter in the legend. bored "brand" is often overused,


but this story has been leading bulletins right across Africa, Asia,


China and the rest of it? Absolutely incredible. If you


follow the Twitter pattern more tweets than when Margaret Thatcher


died a week or so ago. It is quite extraordinary the focus on it.


Manchester United is the biggest brand in world football. We track


1.6 million global fans around the world. Almost half of those around


the world, mainly in the fast- growing market, the called emerging


markets, follow Manchester United with a passion. With the same


passion that Alex Ferguson had as manager. I think that's what marks


him out. He is almost entre pent neural in his zeal for Manchester


United and the brand. I think the - - there is nothing wrong with want


to go win. If that does annoy others and get into trouble with


the BBC that is it. Alex Ferguson would often win titles when


Manchester United were not the best team. This season bizarrely enough


Manchester City beat Manchester United and they were favourites,


the think-tank made them favourites in that game. I want to pick up on


what was said, the entrepeneural spirit, the art socialist who


seemed to despise money and sit atop this �3 billion empire?


didn't despise money, one of the reasons he remained a Labour


supporter and very committed to new Labour was the fact that in a sense


what Tony Blair certainly did was success was not a dirty word. Also


it was perfectly possible to be wealthy as Alex Ferguson is, but


also to have the same socialist values with which he grew up. One


of the reasons he was a successful manager for Manchester United is he


brought those values into the club. That is another reason to go for


David Moyes because he has done something very similar at Everton.


Anyone who has seen Alex Ferguson operating around the ground and the


club, he knows everybody and their kids' names. I'm not saying non-


socialists don't, but that sense of the club being the product of


people, including the fans around the world that you talked about,


that is mean ago lot to him and that is why he has built such a big


institution. You know him better I only know him out of the newspapers.


He's an intelligent person with strong values. A lot of people


think that doesn't in sport, it clearly does, just to receive


better results, it matters on the pitch that a lot of the footballers


aren't that educated but they are very clever. To have to be in order


to do things like calculate the angle required for Van Persie to


score an amazing goal. When Matthew was talking about the revolution, a


footballing revolution was put down in no small part to Alex Ferguson?


He has only played a role in it, satellite television played a role


in it. Which one is bigger, Murdoch or Ferguson? Football went through


a very bad patch. There is Thatcher was not the best Prime Minister for


football. The Premier League did turn it into something different.


Match that to television. Match that to some of the big names in


the game. Let's not forget, we are talking about Alex for various


reasons, but the players are hugely important in that. What he was


always brilliant at was spotting the talent and turning that talent.


He was great at taking good players and turning them into something


very special. Do you think that Manchester United is at the peak of


its brand position right now. Is the only way down from here? It is


worth $3 billion on the exchange. Arsenal is worth about half of that,


$1.5, you look at the Green Bay Packers, they are valued at $1


million. Real Madrid were ranked by Forbes slightly higher in terms of


revenue, Manchester United doesn't have a quote to compare it to. In


terms of brand value Manchester United certainly extremely strong.


It will be a testing time for Manchester United without Alex


faring fare -- Ferguson, without David Gill, strong shirt


sponsorship and ground sponsorship that has been built. It will be a


testing time and this is a transition period. There is no


reason why Manchester United shouldn't go on to be one of the


most powerful, if not the most powerful brands, not just in


football, not just in soccer, but across the whole sports world.


Thank you all very much. Thanks. Pakistan's heading to the polls,


for the first time in the 63 history one democratically elected


Government will be replaced by another. That hasn't stopped it


being the bloodiest election ever. Scores of people have died in


attacks by the Taliban, targeting political parties and candidates.


It has become a battle between democratic and non-democratic


forces that will shape the future direction of the country. We have


been out on the campaign trail with the leading candidates.


With The crowds have gathered here at this hospital in Lahore, where


doctors are keeping Imran Khan under close observation. Last night


he tumbled from a fork lift at an electoraly in the city. He has had


15 stitches and sustained three spinal fractures. The doctors say


he will make a full recovery, he just needs to rest. That is hard,


these are the final showers of the most close low- fought, the most


unpredictable election that Pakistan has ever seen. The big


question now is will Imran Khan's fall cause him to rise in the polls.


There will be a sympathy vote. That is certainly on the minds of his


rivals. His chief challenger, Nawaz Sharif, cancelled his rallies today


in solidarity. It was also a shrewd political move. In the last month


these two men have campaigned the hardest. That's partly because


their parties are not on a Taliban hitlist. There have been almost


daily attacks on other candidates. Even so Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif


are the front-runners this time. We have been following both of them.


In Pakistan election campaigns have always had a carnival atmosphere.


Even here in the North West which has seen some of the worst of


Taliban attacks. But this time only certain politicians have been able


to hold rallies in relative safety. Imran Khan is one of them. He's


drawing huge crowds. REPORTER: How is the campaign going? We are


winning. His critics say he has been able to hold rallies here


because he has been soft on the Taliban. REPORTER: They say you are


not willing to fight the Taliban who are causing the war here?


have been fighting them for nine years and it has got worse. There


is more radicalisation, there is more extremism, there is more


terrorism today than nine years back. Clearly what we are trying to


do to cure this illness is increasing the cancer, it is


spreading. You need to change strategy. The former cricket


captain, well known in the west as a charismatic playboy still limbers


up for a fight. But he leads a different team now, with a very


different message. All the bloodshed here is America's fault


he tells these crowds. He vows to shoot down US drones operating


along the Afghan border and promises to establish a model


Islamic welfare state. That message resonates here in one of the most


conservative parts of Pakistan. Even so, like every other


politician, armed guards form part of his entourage. On every stop he


takes the same message, change. New Pakistan. As he plies across the


country, the confident Khan promises to end corruption and up-


end the political status quo. That is striking a chord unthinkable a


decade ago. In the 2002 elections his Movement for Justice party won


only one seat. His rivals say he's inexperienced, niave, but 60-year-


old Imran Khan thinks his time has come. What you are seeing is a


revolution. This is beyond, if you see the passion, this is not normal


politics. This is an uprising from the grassroots. And what has


happened is that we have completely bypassed the traditional


politicians and the people are moving away from them. There is no


doubting his popularity, but can he win votes without the party


machinery of his more established rivals. For decades people power


used to be the mantra of the Pakistan People's Party. This time


it is mainly campaigning on the past. Rallies of Benazir Bhutto,


executed, and her father also executed. In this Pakistani dynasty


her son heads the party that won the last elections. Taliban threats


mean he has had to leave Pakistan. So he is posting video messages on-


line from Dubai. A party with a poor record in office hasn't had


much of a campaign. Although traditional loyalties still hold in


some areas. But Pakistan's other major political force is still


taking to the road. Nawaz Sharif is a familiar face. I have been


covering his election campaign since 1988. Good to see you again.


How are you? Good. You are back on the campaign trail. He has been


Prime Minister twice, from a family of wealthy industrialists. No


wonder he can afford to travel by private jet. On the plane he reads


the latest reports which predict he will be Prime Minister again. But I


put it to him that Imran Khan and his message of change are


challenging his Pakistan Muslim League, even on his home turf,


Punjab, where elections are won and lost? We are changing and we will


continue to change. We know we have the right team with us. We have a


team of exports, people who have done it before. I think no other


party can claim to have better people than we have in the group


and they are honest. Our team is recognised by everybody in this


country. What if they say if the traditional parties had done a


better job then Pakistan would not be in the trouble it is? We need


mature not immature people. Nawaz Sharif still has strong support.


They shout "Prime Minister" as he arrives at this hotel in Islamabad.


He's here to meet local shopkeeper. But even this business meeting


descends into chaos. They are here because they say Nawaz Sharif is


good for business. He says join him to make Pakistan a prosperous land.


He promises to end the constant power cuts crippling the economy.


And then his favourite punch line. "I play cricket too", but it is not


the only thing he has done, he says. He has also made the atom bomb.


Pakistan went nuclear when he was in office. He knows that line goes


down well here. This contest is possibly the most unpredictable


Pakistan has ever seen. Not just because of new candidates, about 40


million young Pakistanis will be eligible to vote for the first time.


They are entering the debate. really excited for this, and the


Pakistanis are youth-based the majority of the population is young.


This time we have our voices raised for the empowerment of the youth


and the new changes. In large parts of Pakistan Taliban attacks on some


parties are dictating the course of the campaign. They are operating


with impunity. That growing strength will have to be addressed.


No matter who wins. The big issue now is turnout on Saturday. Fear of


attacks could keep many at home. If so, a political force which isn't


on the ballot will have won the day. All the papers going on different


things tomorrow, we will receive leave you with just one, the Sun's


front page, the Hair Dryer After starting the week with warm


sunshine, Thursday's weather is not what you would expect or indeed


hoped for with a deep area of low pressure barreling in from the


Atlantic, bringing strong winds over the southern part of the UK.


With heavy and persistent rain. It will be a breezy day for Northern


Ireland. Brighter spells for the afternoon. But some thundery


showers. Northern Scotland fares pretty well throughout the day.


Probably the best of the sunshine here. There will be showers around


too. The wind comparatively light to the strength of the south.


Northern England wet through the afternoon. Rain pushing into the


Midland. In the east sunny spells across East Anglia and the south-


east of England T won't feel warm. 12-13 are the highs, strong and


gusty winds and a chance of showers. Wettest and windyist through all of


this, the south west of England and Wales. Gusts up to 65 miles around


the Irish Sea coast. 55 miles an hour inland. The rain stick around


for a good part of the day. For Thursday, some of the best of the


sunshine to be found to the far north of the British Isles. By


Friday hopefully we will see something dryer and brighter


pushing into the south. Friday though does bring us another pretty


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