03/06/2013 Newsnight


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across Turkey. But what are they after? Anger and rocks. Tear gas and


arrests. And yet it hardly seems to be organised. These are ordinary


members of society, educated and mainly middle-class. The great


mystery to the Turkish government is why they are here and in such


massive numbers. Under him, better off pensioners would lose more


money. Ed Balls says Labour can make a better job of running the British


economy. I'll be talking to the Shadow Chancellor. And forget Samuel


Pepys. Soon we'll all be using our glasses and our clothes to record


every moment of our lives. What could possibly go wrong? Technology


evangelists shall tell us the answer shortly. It has turned into the most


violent and environmentally unfriendly eco-protest ever. But


what began with resistance to plans to replace a part in Istanbul with a


shopping mall, has now turned into protests across Turkey. They don't


care for a government which has been seen elsewhere as a bridge between


East and West, is lamb and Europe. Many of them think it's betraying


modern Turkey's secular tradition. Paul Mason is in Taksim Square in


Istanbul. The crowd you see behind me just a


small of the 20,000 people who have been occupying the square below and


the gardens next to it for the best part of a week now, since the police


moved in to clear a small tent camp, which was there to try and


defend the square against redevelopment. So the Prime Minister


calls them terrorists, improvisers and extremists. I can tell you for a


fact that that description doesn't accord with the fact they are mainly


young, quite secular, quite urban and quite middle-class. In that,


they are quite similar to the people who made the occupied protests and


the people at the beginning who were in tarry a square. With one


difference. What you see below me is a space which is quite extensive,


that has been free of policing for three nights. The police had to


retreat and the whole place has been more or less held together with


Turkish folk music, and a lot of goodwill. They've been bombarded for


four hours with tear gas, fairly indiscriminately. They do fear that


the police will come in again tonight. I was up at 4am, to see


what happens when the police tried that last night. This is how riots


start. After four nights of clashes, police vacated the part of Istanbul


around Taksim Square. The protest is found out, building barricades on


all approaches. When the clashes came, they were brutal. CS gas,


rubber bullets, water cannon. And the protesters made use of what they


could. Then, perfectly ordinary people formed human chains to rip up


the pavements and build. They fought sporadically late into the night.


Even now, at 3am, the rioting is still going on, right here in


central Istanbul. And the people around the not some extremist


hard-core. These are ordinary members of society, educated, mainly


middle-class. The great mystery for the Turkish government is why they


are here and in such massive numbers. Meanwhile, there was


violence in four big Turkish cities, in Ankara, the capital,


reports of tens of people injured. This was the scene in is mere. In


all cases it was young, urban, secular people fighting it out with


the police. But their real beef is with the AK Party. Moderate Islamist


who they say are pushing things too far. We are protecting the modern


Turkish Republic. He is trying to make his own country, an Islamic


country. He hates modern people. This is not about alcohol. We are


not here... We're here for revolution. It's a mixed bunch.This


is something that is good for us. This is going to help us have a


dialogue with everyone around us. We need your help. Not to protect


democracy, to protect our rights. This is about humanity. This is


never going to end, not this soon. Everyone is here. We are all Muslim.


The police now facing charges of overkill. In this footage, shot by a


local journalist, a mosque turned into a makeshift hospital treats


injuries consistent with CS gas rounds hitting people's bodies.


Later, the police tried to break in here to make arrests. And at the


main hospital, even the medics were having a tough time. They are having


so many traumas because of the tier bombs they have been shooting. And


they were shooting tear gas... close range? I have been shot by a


tear gas bomb. By day there is calm. But at this university, where


they are getting a liberal education, even a bar is banned from


serving alcohol. Not by law but by the personal order of the Prime


Minister. This politics professor told me the issue of preserving one


part is just a final straw for the urban young. The secular part of the


population is probably about 35 to 40% of the electorate. It includes


the liberal minded, the Democrats, the urban comedy middle-class, the


well-educated the religious minorities. They are all part of the


secular minority. It is a minority but it's not a small minority, it is


40% sometimes, depending on the issues it can be over 50%. They feel


threatened by the policies. Today, the Turkish PM called the protest is


extremist elements, arm in arm with terrorism. It might play well with


his electoral base, but analysts believe he is in danger of


alienating an entire generation, above all women. Women should give


birth to three children at least, he says. We should have a population


policy where each family has to have three children at least. He talks


about abortion. He talks about Caesarean being may be legal,


because it's not right. They'd spent the day singing and reciting


poetry. But at nightfall, a huge, pervasive cloud of gas descended on


the square. This is already bigger than any of the X occupied protests


or anything seen in Greece at the height of the troubles there. What


stops it being in Egypt type moment is this. It may be that the


secularists, liberals and youth are ranged here in tens of thousands,


but a good 50% or more of Turkish society is Islamist, does support


Prime Minister Erdogan and does not support the people here or their


lifestyles. But on these streets, where solidarity is doled out in


squirts of anti-tear gas fluid, all they've got in the face of that is


defiance. I'll be joined shortly by a protest from Istanbul and by an


academic. First, let's go to Morocco, where the Turkish


government minister is there on a visit. He is able to talk to us.


Minister, when you see these scenes of protest is being tear-gassed,


it's not doing your country much good, is it? I have to make a


correction, I'm not the minister, and the vice-chair of the party for


foreign affairs. Tell us what you think. Regarding what is going on in


Turkey right now, it started with an innocent protest. Later on it has


been used by some of the radicals. We never say that the whole people


at Taksim Square or somewhere else in Turkey are the radicals, but


there are marginals who misused this atmosphere and then vandalise the


city. They have been breaking down the cars, civilian cars, private


shops, cash machines, police cars and ambulances. They have been


attacking even the people... The thing is, we can never actually,


neither in Turkey nor in Germany nor in France, as it happened before, or


in the UK, it happened recently, we can never support excessive power


used by the police, tear gas or pepper spray, whatever you call it.


An acceptable in any democratic society. And therefore at the


beginning, the police actually used excessive force. Later, the Prime


Minister called for an investigation. Now the police have


withdrawn from Taksim Square. I've just received good news that the


people coming to Taksim Square had a good dialogue with the police,


agreed that there will be a peaceful demonstration and the police let


them go. We need this calm demonstration in Turkey. To an


outsider, a lot of this is very hard to understand. For example, what is


this issue about alcohol? started... If you come back to


alcohol, we're not banning alcohol. This is false information. The


government or the Parliament just regulated the sales of alcohol, as


it is in the UK. The pubs close at ten p.m. During weekdays and 11 p.m.


During the weekends. No longer. It used to be like this when I was a


student there, until recently. In the United States also there are


many regulations. You cannot buy alcohol on Fridays, the whole day.


Is this anything about the secularism? This is a kind of


regulation in Turkey. It is not banning. It can be different. I can


say something else, even though I'm representing the party.


Nevertheless, if you bring in another line, like the government is


banning the alcohol because of the last -- Islamist policies, this is


not true. You know the Prime Minister very well start how worried


is he? Worried about what?Worried about the situation in your country?


The Prime Minister has the self-confidence, he is


distinguishing the people who are demonstrating peacefully and the


radicals who are vandalising the city. Breaking down of private shops


and destroying the streets and buildings and everywhere. The Prime


Minister is very well distinguishing between these two groups. I think it


should also be distinguished by yourself as BBC and by the press. We


have respect for the people who are demonstrating the wishes or desires


at protesting against the government, what is going on in a


peaceful manner. As I see on the main news channels, we are building


a shopping mall at the square. This is also fake information that I have


two correct. In this project there is no shopping mall, only the...


Thank you for joining us. Now we are joined from the protest by one of


the protesters. And we are joined also in the studio by our academic


guest. Tell us what is it that you are protesting about? OK. So, as you


all know, it all started with the police attack to the peaceful


demonstrators, the protesters that were sleep sleeping at 5.00am and


turned into a large-scale country-wide movement, a sort of


social awakening. We are protesting against the authoritarian, the


repressive regime of the government and it's an accumulation of


everything. I'm sorry... Why didn't you just vote him out of office if


you don't like him? I don't understand... Turkey is a


functioning democracy, why don't you vote your government out of office


if you don't like it? OK. So, voting is just one aspect of democracy. One


other aspect - a very important aspect - is the peaceful


demonstration and the peaceful protests. Now, we are using that


right. We are right to hold these protests if the government, if the


Prime Minister is not letting us in all the decision-making processes.


So I have to disagree with the Minister, with what he said about


the alcohol regulations. What we care is not about banning or not


banning something. It is about the mentality lying behind it. So, in


order to enact laws, in order to apply them, you have to consider all


the segments of society. You have to consider the sensitivities. After


this ban, you cannot go and say that, OK, so what the religion step


lates cannot be -- stipulates cannot be wrong. This discourse is really


dangerous. OK. Thank you very much. We are against this mentality.


you. What do you make of what is happening in your country? Well, it


is a complicated story to tell. Turkey is a complicated story. I


know it would be nice if we could summarise everything in just a


soundbite. I don't think that is possible. I have been looking


forward to this conversation with you to try to interrogate, to try to


understand what is happening. better gallop through it! What is


happening - I agree, my interpretation agrees with the


protester there. I think this is about people's desire to live their


lives the way they want to in their own cities in public spaces and to


make their own decisions about their lives. It is as simple as that. It


is a desire for freedom. I know it sounds very abstract, but you would


believe it if you were in Taksim Square right now. What is problem --


what is the problem, it is a democracy? What we are dealing with


is the problem of democracy altogether. We all know about the


majority. We recognise the K Party - let's say they got 50% of the vote,


52% of the vote what are the bounds of that authority? What can you


intervene in? What kind of laws can you make with that kind of mandate?


Before you ask me another question, I want to say also that the very


meaning of democracy is at stake here. I think what we are seeing in


Taksim Square, and across Turkey, is very much an experimentation with


direct democracy. It is an effort to imagine other ways of living


together. It is not simply about winning the majority in


parliamentary elections. Thank you very much.


In a moment, how wearable technology could change our lives.


There are still two years to go, but the Labour Party told us how they


will manage the economy if they get another chance at it. They told us


it will be tough and what they will do about a few small things. The


last time we saw them in power, they claimed to have abolished "boom and


bust". If they get returned to office, they will be more rigorous,


according to the Shadow Chancellor today. I will be talking to him in a


moment. It's 60 years ago since this


crowning glory and a Coronation generation nourished by a welfare


state for all. As the diamond anniversary comes into view, the


welfare state doesn't get as many commemorative tea towels as Her


Majesty. Now the state's �700 billion annual budget is one, some


politicians, feel they must tame. Labour's Shadow Chancellor could


always be counted upon to be an exception, until today. We know


these plans for current spending in 2015/16 are likely to face a


significant burden on public services. The relentless focus of my


colleagues must be on how to reprioritise money within and


between budgets for current spending rather than coming to me with any


additional proposals for new spending. This was quite some


movement by the Shadow Chancellor, but he went further. Ed Balls


itemised cuts, ending free school places, abolishing Police


Commissioner Police Commissioners, and then on this sunny day in June a


cut... The Labour Titan was within spitting distance of the Coronation.


Then he trumpeted universalism in the early stages of the welfare


state. Ed Balls has called him his hero. But today he was accused of


breaking with the tradition. accept this is a very limited


reduction in universalism for those at the very top in one area. The


right-wing, the Tories and the Lib Dems, want to dismantle the whole of


these benefits. I don't think Labour should be opening the door to them.


One colleague of the Labour Leadership described this as a


pivotal moment? It is important to remember that the Winter Fuel


Allowance is a recent invpbion. It doesn't rank up there with child


benefit as important universal benefits that you would wish to


protect. We are talking about small sums here. It is symbolic of the


shift Labour needs to make. It is not about axing. This morning, the


Tories were rubbing their hands with glee. Senior Conservative and Lib


Dem figures in the coalition have long suggested but always shied away


from ending universalism in elderly benefits. Now that Labour, the


so-called defenders, have gone in for the kill, many coalition MPs


think these benefits are now fair game. Free pensioner bus passes were


not on the agenda. What did right-wing spending experts think?


It was really important. It will be remembered. The ko coalition has


damaged that principle with child benefit, taking that away from


richer parents. I think we are heading towards a more means-tested


welfare state. What about ending all universal pensioner benefits? Well,


research by the Resolution Foundation showed Winter Fuel


Allowance and TV licences cost the Treasury �2.7 billion. Add in bus


passes and prescriptions, you get �4 billion. If you means-tested Winter


Fuel Payments and TV licences by only dispersing to pensioners


eligible for pensioner credit, you save �1.4 billion. In the autumn,


the Chancellor intends to set out another benefit cap. This time,


including items like the housing benefit budget, some �20 billion. He


thinks Labour won't be able to match him on that. Ed Miliband intends to


prove him wrong. Today, Labour, keepers of the post-war welfare


flame, moved. Toughening up on welfare spending, freeing them, they


hope, to emphasise massive capital spending and for the time being, if


she wants to, the Queen can keep her free TV licence.


The man himself is here. In principle, do you believe in


universal benefits? Of course. A universal state pension, free


prescriptions for the elderly. I think the free bus pass is something


which is about mobility in old age, but in every generation, you have to


find the right balance between things you can do for all and things


where you have to target. We are make making... Isn't this a belief


in universal benefits, but not a belief in universal benefits?


course. You always have a universal foundation and some areas where you


do more for those who need it most. Those are the two principles. That


makes it a just welfare state. idea was it to cut this winter fuel


supplement to better-off people? proposal today? Yes.It was


something that Ed Miliband and discussed... When did he change his


mind? I don't think he has.Watch this. We have a cliep here of Ed


Miliband expressing belief in universal benefits? My way in which


those at the top should be paying responsibility is not by cutting the


top rate of income tax. I think that universal benefits, which go across


the population, are an important bedrock of our society. That is


unambiguous? Which is what I have just said. There are certain


benefits, like the pension, or the bus pass, or free prescriptions...


He wasn't talked about all benefits being universal? Because in the


welfare state... Is he likely to tell us about any others he has


reservations about? There's always been some which are universal and


some which are targeted. When we introduced the winter allowance, we


introduced it universally. So...I think it is fair to say that we


shouldn't pay it to the richest 5%, but I want a universal pension,


universal free prescription and bus pass. Television licences?You have


to be pragmatic about that one. Tell us - we need to save money,


according to you. A bit like 1945. Let's not talk about that. I want to


talk about you and what you plan to do to us if you get elected. For


example... I'm not sure you will be one of the losers on the winter


allowance! I don't suppose you know, do you? I have no idea.Right. Let's


look at what you would do if you were elected. You would save by not


giving old people, richer old people, this winter fuel supplement?


Yes. How much of that will save? �100 million. It shows a Labour


Government will be willing to make tough chances and to do so in a fair


way. It is not going to reduce the deficit. I'm asking you to make a


tough choice now. What proportion of the deficit is it? It is about a


thousand. You think that is worthwhile? If it is �100 million,


and it is easy to do, why wouldn't the Chancellor have done it? That is


the best you can do on a flagship policy, is it? I think we went


rather further than that. What I said was... How much further? Let's


talk about something that you thought was wrong, the abolition of


the 50p tax rate. Would you reinstate that? Yes.You would?


Will you after the election? there is a manifesto now, yes. But


in two years' time, we don't know what the circumstances will be. I


won't make tax policy two years ahead. I would rather get tax rates


down if I could, but I can't make that promise now on the top rate of


tax. At a time when living standards are falling, for pensioners, too, is


it a priority to cut taxes only for people over �150,000? So if you are


Shadow Chancellor going into the next election, it is something you


will wish to do? In three weeks, we would reverse it. I'm not going to


make a promise two years ahead. I don't know where we will be.


think George Osborne's strategy might be working? How do you mean?


You think the economy will have improved enough for you not to need


to make the change? It is an important principle that you don't


make commitments two years ahead when you don't know the economic


circumstances because I don't think it would be responsible to do it


that way. You have principles applied? I can't plan now that this


plan would be better in two years time. Have you got a credibility


problem? You used the word iron discipline today. You also the man


who wrote Gordon Brown's speech in which he talked about iron


discipline. Yes.Were you being ironic? We introduced Bank of


England independence. We didn't join the single currency, which was a


very good call. We made some important and tough decisions. Did


we get every decision right? Of course we didn't. When you talked


about iron discipline being your guiding light, if you ever get back


into government, then you were talking about the sort of iron


discipline we saw under Gordon Brown, that's what you meant?


a very different circumstance. wrote his speech and you wrote your


speech today. And you meant the same thing in each case. We will have to


have tougher and even more iron discipline because we are going to


inherit an economy which is failing, a deficit which is high...


More iron discipline? Absolutely. When we came into government we


inherited a national debt of 42% GDP. We registered until the


financial crisis to a lower level than America, France, Germany and


Japan. It was the right thing to do. You think you handed on a golden


inheritance to the coalition, do you? There was a global financial


crisis and we were part of that. a man or woman approaches you,


offering you lots of money for very little in return, any sensible


person might smell a rat. But not some of the people who make our


laws. The latest hidden camera footage of our lawmakers tarting


themselves round to lobbyists have done the institution no favours.


This afternoon, Downing Street promised a new statutory register of


lobbyist and, for good measure, a mechanism to find out how money


members trades unions really have. We're supposed to be impressed, are


you, David? The government have come up with a set of measures that would


have stopped the rush of damaging headlines that we've seen over the


last few days. But not perhaps for the reasons that many people might


have hoped. It would have stopped anyone pretending to be a lobbyist,


because anyone who feared they might be part of some journalist sting


operation would have simply been able to consult a register, and


therefore they would have been able to see if they were being stung.


What will this register do? It only deals with third-party lobbyists,


these are people who work for hire. They are not the people, like our


friend Fred Michelle who was working inside News International to lobby


members of the government and others, to try and smooth the way


for the takeover at BSkyB, he wouldn't be covered. And it wouldn't


cover, interestingly, any lobbying of ministers. Why? We are told that


already those meetings with ministers are documented, so there's


no need to replicate that in another form. How did the Treaty News get


dragged into this? It's not clear. This measure wasn't in the


consultation. What the government say will happen alongside the


statutory register, is that the unions will be required to end self


certification of the union roles. Why does this matter? There have


been questions about whether some union ballots were lawful. So they


will be required to open their books and allow... What has that got to do


with it? It's not evidently clear why they should be rolled into this


set of legislation. However, if you were looking for a set of


proposals, and Ed Balls is giving me a clue to the answer here, a set of


proposals that were rolled into this to make it very difficult for Labour


to support it, then this might be the measure you would pluck and put


into this set of proposals. Indeed, Labour have described it as shabby


and panicked, correct me if I'm wrong. Three years ago, David


Cameron and Nick Clegg said, we will crack down and have a lobby


register. They've done nothing. It's a scandal what's happened this


weekend. We've not got the register. What are they going to do to try and


divert attention? Let's shift the attention to Labour and the trade


unions. It's pathetic. If they've got real proposals, we will look at


them. If they want to reform -- reform party funding, absolutely, we


will go for that. They want to divert attention that David Cameron


utterly failed to sort this out. The world we live in! Would you like to


know lots and lots more about your life, how much you've eaten, how


many steps you've taken today or how you slept last night? Very shortly


you will be able to do so, and to revisit all the things you did


today, all of them, through wearable technology. Very soon, doubtless,


there will be a piece of technology which tells you where you left your


glasses. If you were already worried a while -- about what corporations


know about your life without you necessarily knowing that you know,


it's about to get a great deal worse. Things will not only be


created but be seen to be created. Rory Cellan-Jones is the BBC's


Thousands of images of people and places, miles driven, walk, cycle,


all disappearing as the memories fade. But what if you could


capture, store and then share your day? Well, now you can. All kinds of


wearable devices are emerging with the power to document our entire


lives or turn us into cyborgs, depending on your point of view.


Wearable technology is the hot trend of the moment and, with the arrival


of Google Glass, it appears to have hit a tipping point. I'm wearing


four other devices which show something of its capabilities. This


is an activity monitor, which sets the daily target. I'm not doing too


well. This does something similar, but also measures how many steps I


go up and down each day. This, too, is an activity monitor, but it also


looks at my sleep patterns. This is a camera which takes thousands upon


thousands of photographs of everything I do, wherever I go. An


awful lot of data about me and my daily activities. Paul is a web


designer in Dorset and is one of the early adopters. He's a guinea pig in


a research project at Goldsmiths University, looking at how people


may use wearable technology. He is also part of what's called the


quantified self movement, gathering lots of data from his wristband that


allows him to record and analyse his life. Often you go through life in a


bit of a stupor, one thing to the next. For me, this kind of


technology makes you more aware. It's more aware of what my mood is,


more aware of how much I'm moving, more aware of whether I'm sleeping


or not. Paul has suffered from depression in the past and believes


that collecting this data about himself is helping him feel better.


In the case of depression, just being able to know that, yes, I am


getting out and doing the exercise I'm supposed to be doing, yes, I


sleep and I got hard data to prove it, encourage as you and keeps you


going. Paul is only collecting a fraction of the data about himself


that will soon be available as these technologies advance. So what could


a fully tooled up quantified cellphone look like? Smart textiles


will capture biometrics like heart rate and blood pressure. Headbands


will keep concentration levels and stress levels monitored. All of this


will be synced with the web. The head of computing at Goldsmiths


University has been looking into the future of wearable technology.


will blink to take a photograph of anything we want, video recordings


will be similar way. We will have this archival system which will be


real-time, are virtually infinite capacity. If you yourself want to


join other people that are sharing in your activities, you will


immediately be able to identify where that is located and join in.


It's the concept of a smart city and thus augmenting it. It's not a


cyborg, it's a human cloud. It's not just individuals who have seen the


potential. Some companies believe wearable technology has the power to


make employees better. One such firm is a software business which is


issuing its staff with wearable tech. It tracks their activity,


mood, food and sleep patterns on a voluntary basis. Lawrie, who runs


this American firms European operation, says wearable tech has


been taken up enthusiastically by her team, with over half now


participating. I can take a look and see when he slept. We've had about


100 employees that have lost a stone or more in the last several months.


Last month alone we collectively walked about 17,000 kilometres.


These are all things that make us feel better together. It makes us


better employees and people. One of the interesting things for us in the


US, we've been able to use the fact that we've got this programme to


negotiate a $20,000 decrease in our insurance bill in the States.


Wearable tech is potentially big business. Google Glass has sparked


huge interest long before it's available to consumers. Other


products have investors and enthusiasts queueing up to get


involved. On a Shoreditch rooftop, I met one of the investors hoping to


serve the wearable ways. She has put money into a wearable camera, and


believes the UK is well placed to prosper in this field. The target


market is even greater than that of the general internet, or that of


PCs, laptops and phones. It has a pedigree of being very strong in


hardware in semiconductors, in devices, in design and technology


and now software as well. It's the marriage of all of those assets that


will make this sector, this next phase of computing which is now


wearable and accessible for everyone, more important and more


interesting for the UK. While some embrace wearable technologies as a


means to empower the individual, others see them as tools for


corporate surveillance. Google Glass has already sent privacy campaigners


around the world to the barricades. One Australian senator said it would


end privacy as we know it. nightmare scenario is the data is in


the cloud, out of people's control. Even if you want to delete it, the


company say they own it, you don't. Then technology like facial


recognition can be used to mine that data, so you are walking down the


street, someone walks past you, they take a picture of you with their


device, get home and say, show me everywhere else that the picture has


been uploaded this person. Very quickly, someone else can build up


an incredibly detailed picture of your life without you ever knowing


about it. Let's see how long I slept four. Five hours and 13 minutes.


Quite a lot of that was light sleep. What all of these devices have in


common is they are collecting a vast amount of data, whether it's my


movements, where I've been, how much energy I've expended all the


thousands of pictures being collected by this. A lot of that


data is going to end up in the cloud. Then the question is - who is


going to have access to all a bit and what exactly might they do with


it? The answer will often be giant multinational companies. But


fortunately, they have very detailed privacy policies and will seek our


consent before they share our data. So that's all fine, isn't it?


Essentially, these companies are saying, trust us with your data in a


non-encrypted way, having signed a policy that allows us to share it


with selected third parties. Without any technical means like encryption


or legal restrictions, it's very hard to trust companies with this


kind of intimidator. As we document and share more of what we do, what


we do, who we meet and what we buy, we'll create a rich pool of data for


ourselves, but also for our employers and the company is trying


to sell to us. The debate about the etiquette and ethics of wearable


technology has only just begun. With us now is Robert Scoble who has been


trialling Google Glass. He says he will never live another day without


them. And Jaron Lanier, from Microsoft, who invented an early


forerunner. It was a beautiful spring day today. It was awesome.In


what way was possibly enhanced by wearing that thing on your head?


Told me how to walk to Big Ben when I asked it. I don't live in London,


so I needed directions. I could have pulled out my smartphone, but then


I'm looking down as I'm getting directed through the streets. Now


I'm looking at you, the world around me. What are you seeing apart from


me or this studio? Nothing right now. It only comes on when I compel


it to come on by touching it or talking to it. Then it comes on and


I say, OK, take a picture, for instance. All I could say I need


directions to Big Ben. It would take me there. It would show me where I'm


looking. It is a lot different than holding a smartphone. Would you ever


have one of these? The devices are great. Aside from any practical


benefits, some of which which I think very real, they are also


tremendous fun. If it is done artfully, what you experience can be


quite beautiful. The problem is how they are used. The problem is not


any device, it's become Peter the device connects to. If that is


creepy, then all of a sudden you have the creepy device. The problem


is not the technology, though, that's a great thing. I'm really


concerned about the business models of the particular firms that are


bringing these out. Let me get to that in a second or two. The cast of


mind that you have got, Robert, you even posted a photograph of yourself


in the shower wearing this thing? did. This is a device for total


narcissist, isn't it? No.Are you really that interested in your life?


Well, I'm partly a journalist so I'm pushing the technology to see how


far it goes and what the dangers are. Tell us what they are, then?


The problem is that some of the companies that are promoting this -


I have friends at Google, I love Google - but the way Google is doing


business right now compels them to grab more and more data about you


and to use it to place advertisement advertisements at the pay of third


parties. We can get by with that for now. It is no way to run a


civilisation. We have to reform the way we run these technologies. All


of the incentives are pulling them... One of the first things you


want to do with this and say show me the Starbucks... You haven't...


is advertising, Robert! It is, but it is different from the advertising


you and I grew up with. LAUGHTER You have tRefRed the initiative from


yourself to a great corporation which may have a change of policy?


Might have, yes. -- transferred the initiative from yourself to a great


corporation which may have a change of policy? There is a benefit to


this technology. Can I say one other thing about the creepiness


potential? I love this stuff. I probably experience this before


anyone else on the planet because I used to build these. The thing is, I


don't like what I heard about the company that is giving it to its


employees because it promotes this conformity that everybody should


have the same body which, having seen you in the shower, will be your


body, Robert! LAUGHTER I don't think so. I'm concerned that this is going


terribly awry because of imagining this computer database as being this


centre driver that tells us how to live, that knows where the right


coffee is. Computers are stupid. If we follow on that course, we will


behave less intelligently. You know, I'm wearing a monitor that monitors


my health, my steps that I'm taking... You are obsessed?I am. Do


I exercise that much more? Not really. Humans are good at ignoring


these things. They are interesting. I find that beneficial. Thank you


both very much. That is about it for now. We will see you tomorrow. Good


for most of us today. It will start off chilly first thing tomorrow


morning. It will warm up quickly in the sunshine. Some patches of cloud,


particularly bubbling up in the north, and that may lead to one or


two sharp showers. Some low cloud, mistiness around some of these


coastal areas of Scotland. One or two sharp showers over the hills and


mountains. 20 degree also be a typical figure for England and


Wales. Around the coast, it will be a touch cooler here. In the


sunshine, 20, 21 is quite likely, possibly hitting 22 further west. UV


levels will be high in most places. A good-looking day. Maybe a bit more


cloud around as we head into Wednesday. Further south,


temperatures hitting 20, 21 Celsius. Wednesday could start off grey and


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