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Tonight, what's bugging you? Or rather who? A top secret US spy | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
programme has been gathering information from some of the | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
biggest internet companies, and it is alleged, sharing it with the | :00:21. | :00:29. | |
British Security Services. can't have 100% security and also | :00:29. | :00:38. | |
then have 100% privacy and zero inconvenience. Also tonight, how do | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
you live with cancer? In a few years half of us will get the | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
disease at some point during our lifetimes. We hear the | :00:46. | :00:51. | |
extraordinary story of a mother and daughter who have survived ovarian | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
cancer. The man called the punk poet, John | :00:56. | :01:02. | |
Cooper Clarke tells us why the Education Secretary is right about | :01:02. | :01:07. | |
children reciting poetry by heart and gives us a few lines of his own. | :01:07. | :01:13. | |
I knew a fella called frank, his wife was a bit of a skank, he wrote | :01:13. | :01:21. | |
down her pin before doing her in and laughed all the way to the bank. | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
Good evening, in the aftermath of the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby in | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
Woolich. Some politicians have tried to push forward with what was | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
formerly known as the communications data Bill. As a | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
nation, like the United States, we are sensitive of anything that | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
smacks of Big Brother spying on our private communications. Gentlemen | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
do not open each other's male is how one former US Secretary of | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
State once put it. But today it was revealed that gentlemen and | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
gentlewomen at GCHQ may be taking advantage of a US secret spying | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
programme called Prism to obtain information from internet companies. | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
We have been examining the special relationship between Britain's GCHQ | :02:03. | :02:11. | |
and its American counterpart, the National Security Agency. | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
Over the past 36 hours there have been mushrooming allegations about | :02:15. | :02:20. | |
the extent to which intelligence agencies in the US and the UK are | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
covertly collecting information on their citizens. The National | :02:23. | :02:29. | |
Security Agency, or NSA is a vast US wiretaping agency, whose job is | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
to gather information. The agency has now been found out to be | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
gathering information on the on- line activities of potentially the | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
entire population. No surprise there, you might say, though others | :02:41. | :02:51. | |
are shocked at the implication for individual privacy. It is startling | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
news because we thought we had some idea of what President Bush was | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
doing in the warrantless programmes in terms of obtaining domestic data, | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
we knew a lot of continued under Obama. It turpbt out there is this | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
six-year-old programme that grew up without anyone knowing it. It | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
involves tapping in, fairly directly to the databases of the | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
world's largest internet and communications companies. So what's | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
being alleged? First came revelations in the Guardian of a | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
secret order directing phone company Verizo to pass records to | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
the NSA on millions of its customers. Though not the content | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
of course themselves. Then last night the Washington Post claimed | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
the Government's data mining operation goes far further. Through | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
a programme called Prism. The existence of which US authorities | :03:41. | :03:47. | |
have now confirmed. Four slides from what's in reality a very dull | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
looking power point presentation have been released by the | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
Washington Post. They give us some information on Prism, naming the | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
Internet brands it says have joined and when. With Microsoft first in | :03:58. | :04:08. | |
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2007, then Yahoo, Google, Facebook, Paltalk, YouTube, Skype, AOL and | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
Apple the most recent last year. Facebook say they don't know | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
anything about a Prism programme, others say the same. Some deny they | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
have given the Government direct access to their servers. It is | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
important to them symbolically and for perhaps some other reasons to | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
say you don't have your hooks straight into our server, there is | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
another black box inbetween that we have knowledge of. The effect is | :04:31. | :04:39. | |
the same, if you are sitting in Fort Mead the head of the security | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
agency, you have push button access to the material that is in their | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
server that fits the lawful search criteria. Some people following the | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
issue closely suspected this kind of thing was going on. Having said | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
that in the face of a lot of denials from the US Government and | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
their allies that they were doing this kind of thing to see the | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
smoking gun, if you like, the actual court order, the actual | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
details of this Prism programme, it is quite surprising even for those | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
people. The power point goes on to boast of the kinds of electronic | :05:12. | :05:19. | |
communications it can spy on. Listing e-mail, chat, video voice, | :05:19. | :05:26. | |
videos, photos, stored data VoIP, file transfers, video conferencing, | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
notifications of target activity, social networking and cryptically, | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
special requests. The big thing that has changed in the last two or | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
three years, that means you need the co-operation of the technology | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
companies to get access to some of this data is the fact that they | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
have switched on encryption by default for their services. When | :05:45. | :05:51. | |
you as a G mail or hotmail user connects to Microsoft servers now, | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
by default the communication will be encrypted. It is no longer the | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
case that intelligence agencies can listen in between you and the | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
server. They have to go to the server to get the data. The UK take | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
on this story emerged this afternoon, with further claims by | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
the Guardian Newspaper that Britain's own electronic listening | :06:09. | :06:15. | |
post, GCHQ, has also been gathering data through The Prisoner programme. | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
GCHQ itself says it operates within a strict legal and policy framework, | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
with rigorous oversight. The claims are already prompting opposition | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
questions about the precise nature of the UK's relationship with Prism. | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
Our generation was the generation that got on-line. We have seen this | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
massive internet grow up and it is bringing us all so much more | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
connectivity and all the benefits we have seen. Now we are starting | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
to realise that we have sort of built a monster. This very same net | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
if work can be used to monitor us better than George Orwell could | :06:49. | :06:56. | |
ever have imagined. That is a sad thing to think about. But we now | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
have a Big Brother. It actually isn't even a domestic Big Brother | :07:01. | :07:08. | |
it is a foreign Big Brother. moral high ground matters to | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
technology companies, because they need their customers to trust them. | :07:12. | :07:18. | |
If, as some here are now suggesting, Prism is a snooper's charter by the | :07:18. | :07:28. | |
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back door, that trust is at risk. We have the author of Trading | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
Secrets about the Intelligence Services, and Julian Huppert is a | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
Lib Dem MP campaigning against the Communications Data Bill. GCHQ is | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
really clear on this, very strong on this, they say they are take | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
their obligations within the law very certificate why isly, in | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
accordance with a strict -- seriously, in accordance with a | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
strict policy framework and they don't break the law? That is what | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
they are saying, I hope so. GCHQ do essential work, they do make us | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
safe. There is always a question about the balances about what they | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
should and shouldn't be allowed to do. The Communications Data Bill | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
went far too far. We need it make sure there hasn't been any activity | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
that is essentially trying to bypass the law. But looking for | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
loopholes, like with tax issues. Bypass the law, if it was within | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
the law, if it was within the law, however distasteful you may find it, | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
is it perfectly OK for GCHQ to be involved with something called | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
Prism? I think this is like the example of some of the tax | :08:24. | :08:30. | |
avoidance people have happened. But they are not strictly legal but not | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
moral, we wouldn't expect people to do it. It is a sticky subject, | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
morally when it comes to terrorism, there are different questions there. | :08:37. | :08:43. | |
But the questions of efficacy, does it work and stop another 9/11, or a | :08:44. | :08:49. | |
"severn"? That is absolutely the right d -- Or a 7/7?That is | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
absolutely the question. The other issue is the US having the ability | :08:53. | :08:59. | |
to look at what UK citizens are doing, any UK business that uses | :08:59. | :09:05. | |
Gmail or hotmail are using these systems is available to the US | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
Government, what are the safeguards and what can happen with that data. | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
We heard President Obama reassuring people saying it is only American, | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
sorry American citizens are protected from this, what about the | :09:17. | :09:22. | |
rest of us. That is the him hypocrisy of the Communications | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
Data Bill, then it would be under British rules and regulations, it | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
is happening everywhere and the Americans are doing it? It is a | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
shock the Americans are doing it. I don't think the fact that the | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
Americans are doing something that we all find surprising and goes too | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
far, it means we in Britain should try to do something further as well. | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
I don't think it is an excuse to say the British Government should | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
keep logs of every website you go to and some of these companies | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
providing more data. What do you think they are looking for here. | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
There is so much information out there, what's the needle in the | :09:51. | :09:57. | |
haystack? I think that it's the case that the ability to data mine, | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
to trawl through millions and millions of different pieces of | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
communication has to some extent become a sort of law unto itself. | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
The fact that it can be done is one of the reasons why it is being done. | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
Sorry to interrupt, in a sense that chap in the film was saying Big | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
Brother is already here, we have created this monster forks all the | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
great things the Internet does, he -- monster, for all the great | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
things the Internet does this is here? For all individuals to be | :10:24. | :10:30. | |
able to communicate globally for any time of their choosing the | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
Internet was greated now that freedom is being infringed in | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
certain ways by being used against people who are ready to be free. | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
One sends an e-mail thinking it is between you and the recipient, | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
clearly it is not. How far though, people sitting at home thinking I | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
have nothing to hide, what I put on Facebook, it might be embarrassing, | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
pictures of people on the beach, but I have nothing to hide, what | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
really is the problem here? I think most people would be concerned | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
about all of this stuff coming out F we take the web logging, if | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
somebody goes to an abortion counselling website, something | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
about divorce or depression, that is quite sensitive information they | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
wouldn't want everybody to know. The NSA is not likely to be | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
interested in that stuff? Once you collect the data, proposed in the | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
UK, once you collect that data there is a risk it can leak out and | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
people get access to it. It is a question of trust isn't it, that is | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
the real issue. We just don't want Big Brother to be looking at our | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
mail in any sense? It is trust in two things, it is trust in the | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
companies that are our providers. It is also trust in Government. | :11:34. | :11:41. | |
Clearly the NSA is the world's leading signals intelligence agency. | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
It is a key part of the American intelligence apparatus. It is going | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
to take a lot for the White House to be able to convince Americans | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
that as President Obama said we're not listening to your phone calls. | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
He said it clearly, whether people believe him will be another thing. | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
I wonder how surprised you were about this, the one thing that | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
struck me that is surprising is this has come in some way from the | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
NSA itself. You don't get leaked documents talking about that. No | :12:08. | :12:15. | |
such agency is what people used to say NSA stood for? The NSA is a | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
tight low- guarded institution. It was undoubted -- tight low- guarded | :12:19. | :12:26. | |
institution, it was undoubtedly the most garden of the the American | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
agencies. Listening to the Washington Post earlier today, the | :12:29. | :12:39. | |
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source expects to be exposed. He is prepared to be exposed. Given what | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
happened to Bradley Manning that could be a harsh thing. Do you | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
think this will change how we use the Internet. People will think is | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
somebody going to read the stuff? hope people will be more conscious | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
of what happens. Some of the messages aren't as proift as they | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
are. We have so much more we -- private as they are. We have so | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
much more to understand, we have to understand what GCHSQ is on about, | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
and about cyber security, what should we say to British | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
individuals and companies about how to use these services. Should they | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
be far, far more careful. It is really important we don't break the | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
safety we have here, that our bank systems continue to be safe. I hope | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
we will have a parliamentary inquiry, I have already spoken to | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
the chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee to see if we can | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
have a look at it on cyber security, this can be absolutely critical, if | :13:30. | :13:38. | |
the US can do it there may be other countries as well. In a few years | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
time the National Health Service faces a herculean challenge | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
according to Macmillan cancer support, almost half of us can | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
expect to get cancer during our lifetimes. Advances in treatments | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
means many of us will survive. Here is the catch, the better the | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
treatments, the longer many of us will live with either the disease | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
or its consequences. It is the news that none of us wants to hear, but | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
half of us will. Macmillan Cancer Support estimates nearly half of | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
the UK population in 2020 will self-cancer at some point in their | :14:09. | :14:14. | |
lives. That is up from under a third of people in 1992. The growth | :14:14. | :14:20. | |
seems connected to the better life expectancy, as the population ages, | :14:20. | :14:26. | |
the incidence of cancer rises. It is not all bad news. In 1992, 21% | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
of those who had cancer did not die from the disease. This increased to | :14:31. | :14:39. | |
35% in 2010 and it was predicted to rise to 38% in 2020. Greater focus | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
on early diagnosis and advances in treatments and care are responsible | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
for the improvements. But many of the physical and mental | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
consequences of cancer continue long after remission. As more of us | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
get and beat cancer, the NHS will be put under increasing pressure | :14:54. | :15:00. | |
not only to prevent and treat the disease, but to support survivors | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
too. With me now are Noel lean Young who was working as a | :15:06. | :15:11. | |
Macmillan clinical nurse when in August 2000 she was told her 19- | :15:11. | :15:17. | |
year-old daughter Hannah had ovarian cancer. Months after her | :15:17. | :15:22. | |
daughter's treatment began Noel lean herself was diagnosed with the | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
disease. You were 19 and a student and suddenly you were told you have | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
this terrible disease and also a very, very severe form of it. I'm | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
wondering, it must have been a terrible shock? It was a complete | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
shock. Cancer is one of those things you never really think will | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
happen to you. You may be expecting it to happen to somebody you know, | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
I don't think you ever really think it is going to happen to you | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
particularly aged 19 when you are a student and you are just out to | :15:47. | :15:57. | |
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enjoy life and learn and all that. You were as Macmillan nurse were | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
with cancer patients every day, it must have been a shock for it to | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
strike home? Particularly as I was a gynaecological specialist nurse, | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
I treated people with ovarian cancer. It was a really strange | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
twist of fate almost. And Hannah it was very advanced, it was 3C which | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
is technically pretty much almost the end of the road actually. The | :16:23. | :16:28. | |
treatment was what pretty horrible? It was pretty tough. I had fairly | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
major surgery and the cancer had spread to part of my bowel and | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
bladder and other parts of my abdomen. I followed up with | :16:37. | :16:43. | |
chemotherapy. It had a very good outcome, fortunately I'm a survivor | :16:43. | :16:48. | |
now. It has been many years in remission. So it is looking very | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
positive. You actually knew the team that was involved and were | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
consulted in the middle of the operation, is that right? They | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
started the surgery, because they thought it was a large cyst and | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
then they realised it was cancer so they came and asked me for | :17:03. | :17:09. | |
permission to do some more surgery. Then Hannah had consented for | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
because it was vital that they cleared as much disease as possible. | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
Right in the middle of the operation. With your daughter on | :17:16. | :17:22. | |
the operating table? Yeah.And then, once you were clear there was going | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
to be a family holiday and you were all going to go away and then? | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
then just two weeks before the family holiday I realised I wasn't | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
feeling too well, I went along to the doctor and I said I'm not | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
feeling too well. She said she would send me straight for a scan | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
and said there was a cyst on one of my ovaries. And I saw the | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
consultant I worked with and he said oh we will need to have you in | :17:47. | :17:55. | |
for surgery straight away. And I said no we're going on holiday. So | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
I did. I reasoned with myself that if I was going to have to have | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
surgery and chemotherapy that holiday would be delayed and that I | :18:05. | :18:12. | |
would rather have that holiday and then face whatever. You are both | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
survivors, I wondered how, the effect of this must have changed | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
you though? It is difficult to know what the path would have been if | :18:19. | :18:25. | |
you haven't had this, it must have changed you? I think so. Especially | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
immediately, because you feel euphoric and quite excited that you | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
are still here, that you are still alive, that you have got through it. | :18:32. | :18:38. | |
I think as time goes on life becomes more and more normal. But | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
then late effects and some of the health effects of treatment there | :18:43. | :18:50. | |
is almost a constant reminder. But you do, I think, really feel quite | :18:50. | :18:56. | |
vibrant about life for a long time. I don't think that really ever goes | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
away again. Presumably if half of us are going to have cancer and the | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
other half of us are going to know somebody who has cancer, we will | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
either go through what you went through or have to support somebody. | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
I wondered in terms of being a survivor, what are the things that | :19:09. | :19:11. | |
have changed. Is that something that the National Health Service is | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
going to look at? It is not just the treatment, it is not just the | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
medical stuff it is dealing with people like you afterwards? | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
Absolutely, I think actually support as a survivor is really | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
important. At the point at which I was treated, it is a few years ago. | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
When I had finished my treatment you very much feel you have been | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
sent out into the world alone. It can feel quite frightening, because | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
you finish your treatment you get used to going to hospital every | :19:40. | :19:46. | |
week and being very supported and cocooned and when you set off it is | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
quite an unnerve feeling. No longer have that medical support all the | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
time. There is a lot of stuff now about survivorship, and you are | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
involved in that. What sort of things are needed by people who | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
have gone through this and to their delight have survived, but then | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
face other problems afterwards? have identified people feel | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
abandoned and they can often feel helpless and hopeless after their | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
treatment ends, so we have been working on looking at what we can | :20:19. | :20:24. | |
put in place to help them recover, so how do we help them rehabilitate. | :20:24. | :20:30. | |
That may be issues looking at work and finance, but it may also be | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
issues looking at their lifestyle. Because we have identified that | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
physical activity can be very important in helping people to | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
recover. Do people also think differently about their bodies, | :20:42. | :20:44. | |
because there has been this bit of it which has turned against and | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
become the enemy. That's a very difficult thing to deal with in | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
your head? Emotionally we both found the emotional impact a couple | :20:54. | :21:00. | |
of years after diagnosis. For Hannah it meant a change of career | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
and likewise for me. I sort of realised that I couldn't be a | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
clinical nurse specialist any more and deal with this on a daily basis. | :21:09. | :21:15. | |
So I looked at using the knowledge of having had cancer and my | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
clinical knowledge in a way to help other people to survive and survive | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
better. Just the final thought, talking and sharing your stories | :21:23. | :21:29. | |
with other people, does that help you as well as them? Gosh I don't | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
know! OK, I will leave you to puzzle that, thank you for sharing | :21:34. | :21:39. | |
your stories with us tonight. He was one of the big names of the | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
punk scene and now he's become a presidentant about schoolchildren | :21:43. | :21:49. | |
learning by rote, we are not talking about Michael Gove but the | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
called punk-poet John Cooper Clarke. He agrees with the Education | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
Secretary about learning lines by heart. He has lived long enough to | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
see his verses included in the national curriculum. Among his | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
admirers are Alex Turner from The Artist, and Plan B. As he prepares | :22:05. | :22:12. | |
for his -- the Artic Monkeys. And he prepares for his tour. This | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
contains bad language. "things are going to get worse nurse, things | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
are going to get rotten, make it reverse, I'm trying to remember | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
everything I forgotten. I was a menace in the box and good in the | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
air, now I can't get up from an easy chair. The doctor told me, oh | :22:27. | :22:33. | |
yeah, things will get worse ". the match stick man from LS Lowri | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
country, he started out reciting poetry with the punks, and now | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
topping the bill at the London Palladium the sway Sammy Davies | :22:42. | :22:49. | |
junior and Sinatra used to. # Good authors who used to know | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
better words # Now only use four-letter words | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
# Writing prose # Anything goes | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
It is the apex of my career I guess. Sunday night at the London | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
Palladium. All them people from the past, where are you going to read | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
this poetry then? Sunday night at the London Palladium? Yes. Is it | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
daunting to follow them or bring it on? I wouldn't like to go on | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
straight after them! I'm glad there has been a couple of decades | :23:17. | :23:27. | |
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inbetween. # Driver borrowed care | :23:27. | :23:36. | |
# Yellow socks and a pink caf VAT # Nothing la-de-da. John Cooper | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
Clarke has had top 40 singles and albums. He was never a perfect fit | :23:41. | :23:49. | |
with the punk mill your. -- milure. | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
Presumably it took some surviving on stage, because there was all | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
that spitting and what not going on? Yeah that was terrible, because | :23:56. | :24:04. | |
I was wearing suits so I didn't have the kind of money that would | :24:04. | :24:11. | |
run to getting a new suit every week. That's when I started wearing | :24:11. | :24:21. | |
:24:21. | :24:21. | ||
a leather jacket, you know. Wipe clean? Wipe with a damp cloth! | :24:21. | :24:27. | |
"I will have you in for disturbing the police. Your feet won't touch | :24:27. | :24:34. | |
the floor. Don't be giving me what for. I'll give you what for. Do I | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
look like a...don't answer that, we are the Pleb Squad, we are looking | :24:39. | :24:47. | |
for a thwart!". The rat-at-tat delivery is changeless, but the | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
Palladium crowd might see Clarke with book in hand for some of the | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
night. I have to read it now because it is all new stuff really | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
until such time as I have learned it Michael Gove-style, off by heart, | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
I have to read it off the sheet. And what do you think of Mr Gove's | :25:03. | :25:09. | |
attitude to poetry, he seems to favour route learning? I'm right | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
behind him on this. It didn't do me any harm. It is the only way to | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
learn it. They are more interested now that pupils understand what it | :25:17. | :25:24. | |
is about. Really that is not what poetry is about, it is not | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
something to be solved. Do you know what I mean. You are better off | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
really learning it off by heart and then 30 years later you might get | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
some inkling what it's about. That stuff was written by 35-year-old | :25:35. | :25:41. | |
men, you know, how is a ten-year- old going to understand that. | :25:41. | :25:46. | |
# Now heaven knows # Anything goes | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
If you have green ink, prepare to spill it now. Johnny Clarke is even | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
on the national curriculum. "let me be your vacuum cleaner | :25:56. | :26:01. | |
breathing in your dust. Let me by your Morris Marina I will never | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
dust. If you like your coffee pot, let me be your coffee pot. You call | :26:06. | :26:13. | |
the shots, I want to be yours." The amount of people who said it | :26:13. | :26:20. | |
was read at their wedding. It is to modern weddings what Always Look On | :26:20. | :26:25. | |
The Bright Side of Life is to humanist funerals. An honour?I | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
couldn't be happier about the fact that my work is being rammed down | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
the reluctant throats of schoolchildren on a daily basis. | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
That's success. I like to think there is more to my stuff than just | :26:39. | :26:45. | |
a string of obskenties, you are rhyming obscenities, I like to | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
think it has something else to offer than that. Through it all, | :26:48. | :26:54. | |
through the spitle-flecked punk venues, through his commercial work | :26:54. | :27:00. | |
when the threat of a passive nut allergy was never far away. | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
Stick them on your thumb, stick them on your ear holes and your | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
boots. The Clarke sensibility has remained intact, that and the look. | :27:09. | :27:16. | |
Your look is very distinctive. Thanks. Much imitated.That Ron | :27:16. | :27:21. | |
Wood I have to have a word with him about this. He has nicked it, | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
hasn't he? Hook line and sinker. And Keith Richards! I think Johnny | :27:27. | :27:34. | |
Depp. He owes me one for Edward Scissorhands. | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
"Don't make me bloody look". John Cooper Clarke may never make Poet | :27:39. | :27:47. | |
Laureate, on the other hand John Bethchimen never got on the | :27:47. | :27:53. | |
sopranos. Does Clarke have a philosophy of poetry. I do write | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
some introverted stuff. I read it and think what's the point of this | :27:57. | :28:07. | |
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stuff! Do you know what I mean. I think as soon as you start charging | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
admission fees then the burden of proof is on you. Like I say you | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
have to send people out of there with a smile on their face. | :28:16. | :28:22. | |
"I knew a fella called Frank, his wife was a bit of a skank. He wrote | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
down her pin before doing her in, and laughed all the way to the | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
bank"! So to the Palladium. One in the eye for Clarke's doubters. He's | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
making his last-minute preparations. Have you decided how you are going | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
to make your entrance, trap door? They have got one of them haven't | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
he this. You could pop up through there? They have got one of them, | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
thanks for pointing it out. I have narrow shoulders, I can't see | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
anything going wrong, the puff of smoke! | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
"euthanasia that sounds good, a neutral alpine neighbourhood then | :28:55. | :29:02. | |
back to Britain all dressed in wood. Things were going to worse | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
apparently." John Cooper Clarke looking on the bright side of life. | :29:07. | :29:17. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 68 seconds | :29:17. | :30:25. | |
That's all tonight, Jeremy is back The emphasis is on dry and sunny | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
weather. Sunshine almost everywhere on Saturday. Cloud off the North | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
Sea eventually on a fairly brisk north-eastly wind. Northern Ireland | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
a beautiful day, the odd patch of fog lapping around the coast maybe. | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
North-east Scotland cool and cloudy as well. The odd mountain shower | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
here and there. For much of Scotland it is a dry day with sunny | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
spells. Temperatures up to the low 20s in many places. From the | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
Yorkshire coast into East Anglia we could see things turning grey and | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
cool through the afternoon in that brisk wind off the North Sea. As we | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
head further west we are back into the warm sunshine once again. | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
Fantastic for the beaches of south- west England and for Wales too. We | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
actually saw the highest temperature on Friday across North | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
West Wales up to 24. I think there will be somewhere across this part | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
of the world that could see similar temperatures during Saturday as | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
well. Further afield similar temperatures in Paris, but an | :31:17. | :31:23. | |
increasing risk in thundery showers. Spoiling proceedings they French | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
Open tennis. The today shower for Rome and Athens. Lisbon wet for a | :31:29. | :31:33. |