06/06/2013 Newsnight


With Mark Urban. The life threatening journey taken by thousands of Syrians as they attempt to escape war for the sanctuary of Europe.

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Tonight, running from Syria's war, it's the journey that cost


desperate refugees their life savings and sometimes their lives.


Hoping for help in Europe we trace the extraordinary odyssey of the


thousands fleeing Syria first to turkey and from there a perilous


journey on the seas to Greece, where they receive the coldest of


welcomes. Those that get there are Also tonight, a sales pitch from


Labour's leader. I have just been down the road at


Newham docks to watch Ed Miliband set out his stall on welfare reform.


This is an issue of trust, will the British public buy it?


The Americans and Australians think they are a security risk. So who


decided to let a Chinese firm get involved in major UK telecoms


contracts. To our shock and horror we discovered that decision was


taken by cabinet officials who didn't even inform ministers, never


mind ask for their decision. When the story of one of the beautiful


game's oldest clubs collided with a thoroughly modern phenomenon of


payday lending. How did Bolton Wanderers come to find itself


looking for an early get out from its latest sponsorship deal.


Good evening, the shockwaves of Syria's civil war are radiating


more and more widely. Today there was fighting on the go lan heights


close to Israel. In Lebanon among supporters of the two sides.


Millions have been uprooted and neighbours worry a tide of refugees


threatens their own stability. Some reach Europe and it is in Greece,


crisis-hit Greece with its tanked economy and rampant far right that


many Syrians literally wash up, if they don't die on the way. In a


special report for Newsnight we follow their journey.


The cease tape from Syria begins with refugees crossing the border,


here into Turkey. They are tired and angry.


A fight breaks out among the men. A woman vents her frustration on us.


Why you take photo, two years you take photo, what are you doing?


Nothing. The people are dying, nothing. The refugee camp here has


a desperate look of permanence. With no end to the conflict in


sight Syrians can be forgiven for wanting to rebuild their lives


elsewhere. Today the camp is full. Those turned away set off on foot.


50,000 have settled in the nearest town they reach. But jobs there are


few. Those who can move on with their hopes pinned on the countries


of the European Union. They go over 1,000 kilometres North West to


Istanbul. The ancient crossroads between east and west. The gateway


to Europe through Greece. But the Greeks are unwilling to give visas


or asylum to Syrian refugees who arrive at official border crossings.


It is here that the Syrian refugees must link up with the gangs of


people smugglers operating in the city. They then organise a journey


that will be expensive and will involve huge risk.


They are told to go to a district of the city where they can meet


people they can do business with, He took them to Turkey's western


coast from where the border with Greece runs along the Aegean sea.


It is just 12kms to the nearest Greek island, Lesvos. It is an easy


and pleasant ferry ride if you have money, a visa or a European


passport. Which is why no Syrians are travelling with me. The


smugglers insist they begin their journey from the Turkish coast in


small boats at night. Many don't make it. Just a few weeks ago this


man received a call from the coastguard at Lesvos to come and


collect the bodies and belongings of his brother's family. His


brother, sister-in-law and three children drowned. The body of the


youngest child hasn't been recovered. It was while he was


searching for his family that he met survivors of boats that had


Refugees support organisations are getting many reports of boats being


deliberate low pushed back from Greek into Turkish water. A charge


the Greek coastguard deny. But these pictures show refugees


behaving recklessly. They say the only way they can stop the


coastguard from pushing them back is to scuttle their boats and hope


they are rescued from the sea. Whatever is going on here hundreds


of drowned. -- hundreds have drowned. Here on the Aegean the


Greeks are supported by the pan- European border police, Frontex.


Forces from all over the European Union take turns to patrol the


borders of Greece, used by some 90% of illegal immigrants entering


Europe. I asked the Romanian crew whether they push boats carrying


Turkey. He clearly didn't want to talk about it. Preferring instead


to tell me how, earlier, they had found a group of refugees who had


become stranded on an uninhabited island. They built a fire, we


approach and used a searchlight to find the number and their state.


One of the Syrian refugees who lit the fire that morning takes up the


Eventually the Greek coastguard collected 40 refugees from the


island, 25 Afghans and 15 Syrians. They are pickeding up dozens every


day and as the summer goes on, with no end to the killing in Syria,


there will be many more. The Syrians are Christians who fled in


fear of rising Muslim extremism. Some still have family back home


and don't want to be identified. They have each paid 1500 euros to


the smugglers to get this far. They want to get to the countries of


northern Europe and are bitter they The coastguard and police make no


effort to look after the new arrivals. Volunteers from the


island give them their first meal in 24 hours. Heavy rain is forecast


and most of the space in the one van provided is taken by families


with children. Those who have been soaked at sea now get a second


Frenching. -- drenching. I go and ask the coastguard what is going on.


How long will you keep these people out here in the cold and rain.


must talk to the officer. Have you told them what distress these


people are in and it will get colder as the night progresses.


They are coming. Someone is coming to help. So they will take them


away for the night, yes? It is possible. They will go somewhere to


sleep. But no-one comes to collect them and they settle down on the


quay for an uncomfortable night. They are looked in just metres from


the bright lights of Levv so, s. One of the most pop -- Levos. One


of the most popular islands in Greece. Refugees have been held for


weeks on the islands, scenes like these seen by tourists have brought


harsh criticism from the United Nations and the European Union. As


a result there have been some changes. Two days after arriving


the Afghans have to stay but the Syrians are now allowed on to the


ferry for an overnight crossing to the mainland. From where they go on


to Athens. But, for the majority who make it this far the road ends


in the Greek capital. Where things can get worse. Golden Dawn, a party


with an anti-immigration agenda is the third most popular in Greece


today, with support among a people reduced by austerity measures. With


little sympathy for outsiders who need help. The party has been


blamed for recent attacks on The family who fled north eastern


Syria spent 10,000 euros getting to Athens. They want to leave Greece


and they gave all the money they had left to a smuggler who buy fake


passports to get them to Sweden to The family is now stranded in a


one-room apartment paid for by the Syrian community here. The older


boys don't dare leave it for fear of arrest. All those found entering


the country illegally are detained. This man nearly drowned on his


journey and was sitting in a cafe in Athens when he was picked up and


He was held for weeks in prison and then transferred to a detention


camp. Thousands much Syrians have been


arrested and detained in Greece over the last two years. Only two


Syrians out of hundreds who have applied have been given asylum. A


European Commission report recently said that the conditions endured by


Syrians in Greece are unacceptable. The Greek Government says they are


A constant plea I heard from Syrians to the Greeks if you won't


It is the misfortune for those Syrians who want to rebuild their


lives in the European Union and beyond that the first country they


stumble in to is Greece. And yet few other countries are offering


these people the opportunity either. Well, earlier on I spoke to Cecilia


Malmstrom, the EU Commissioner in charge of home affairs who recently


visited Athens to talk to the authorities about the refugee


problem there. I started by asking her whether she accepted that in


their economic and social crisis it is actually very hard for Greece.


It is very hard for Greece. Greece is having a tremendous problem on


their own. However they have the responsibility to give these people


shelter, to give them asylum or at least some temporary protection,


while we all see every day the atrocities going in to Syria.


you know how many people so far the Greek Government has given asylum


to? I think formal asylum very few have been given. Two.Two, yes. As


far as we know nobody has been sent back once they are in the Greek


territory. There should be some thousands of refugees from Syria,


that is a general problem in Greece that their asylum system has not


been functioning, they are gradually trying to build up a


system with assistance from the European, but it has been broken


for many, many years. If they are not sent back, but they are not


given asylum, effectively the future seems to promise then


thousands more Syrians held in a kind of detention in Greece? Yes.


Syrians and others are held in Greece in detention. This is


something we are very concerned about. I'm talking to the Greek


authorities about this because they have to be given alternatives to


detention. They have to build up some sort of open reception centres


where people can apply for asylum in appropriate ways, and not be


looked in or kept into these kind of detention centres, that is


against European law. Europe is helping Greece in the sense of


assisting them with border security measures, shouldn't they also help


in terms of providing asylum to those people to ease the situation


there? We are helping Greece a lot. We are helping them financially to


build up a capacity to receive people. We have experts on the


ground. We are helping to train police, staff, border guards, the


people who deal with asylum and so on. A sort of relocation mechanism


within the European Union is, for the moment, there is no political


support for that. As I say most of the Syrians, in total there has


been around 40,000 coming since the beginning of the conflict. Very few


compared to the millions who have fled Syria. Most of them are in


other countries than Greece. There is not a political will today for


other countries to alleviate and to take people from Greece,


unfortunately. Can I pick you up on the last point, the issue of


political will. Clearly in the 1990s in the wars in the former


Yugoslavia there was a different situation, wasn't there. Many


people were resettled across Europe, what has changed do you think?


that was a different situation. From that we have learned that


should there be a really, really big pressure in Europe from a


particular country, we are talking about hundreds of thousands coming,


there is the protection directive, that has never been used,


established after the war in Yugoslavia. It has never been used.


We are following the matter closely. 40,000 people to the whole of


Europe in the last two-and-a-half years not enough to activate the


protection mechanism. We are encouraging European countries to


give Syrians protection for the moment. You are saying 40,000


doesn't qualify this as a crisis big enough to invoke the special EU


temporary protection measures. You could argue it is a manageable one


if the political will is there. What is lacking, do you think


Europe has changed since the period of the Balkan wars, has it become


more nationalistic and less tolerant? The situation in Europe


is very difficult with the economic crisis. There are strong


nationalist and populist movements all over the European Union. When


it comes to the Syrians you think everybody recognises the atrocities


there. No Syrians have been sent back. But those countries who


receive the most Syrians Germany and Sweden have not asked for help.


I think they are coping with it so far. There has been no real cause


to activate this temporary protection mechanism so far at


least. Thank you very much indeed. Now the


big development of the week on Syria's battlefield was the


recapture of the town of Qusair by Assad Government forces. It is a


fightal road hub that they couldn't afford to -- vital road hub that


they couldn't afford it use. The most -- Hezbollah militia might


have tipped it in the Government's favour. Syria's opposition has


threatened to attack Hezbollah in Lebanon. Rockets have been fired in


their strongholds in Baalbek and Beirut, where tensions are high and


from where our very own reporter joins us.


Is this job done from Hezbollah's point of view, the victory in


Qusair? I think this is very difficult, really for Hezbollah.


one sense it helped to win a victory in Qusair. The reports now


that Hezbollah fighters are also moving now towards Aleppo that they


will contribute to a new offensive by Assad's forces in that area too.


But of course Hezbollah has been involved in the Syrian civil war


now for quite a long time. It wasn't fully open about it until


very recently, until the battle over Qusair really. Of course the


reason for that, I suppose, is Hezbollah here in Lebanon doesn't


define itself primarily as a Shi'ite organisation, even though


it is. It defines itself as the resistance against Israel. Its job


is to confront Israel, certainly not to fight fellow Muslims and


fellow Arabs. What Hezbollah says now is it is not defending


President Assad in Syria per se. What it says it is doing is


defending itself against the rise in Syria of extreme Sunni groups,


all qied da-type groups among the - - Al-Qaeda rebels, among the rebels,


who they say will target groups like Hezbollah in the same way that


Sunni groups have targeted Shi'ite groups in Iraq. That won't wash in


the wider Lebanese public and I think certainly the prestige of


Hezbollah in the region is already beginning to fall.


The Syrian opposition says it is going to attack Hezbollah in


Lebanon. Is that an idle threat or do you think it has already


started? It certainly has already started. There have been a


considerable number of rocket attacks in eastern Lebanon in the


valley. Also an upsurge of fighting now for example in the northern


city of Tripoli. We have seen today masked Sunni gunmen taking over the


centre of the city, closing the shops there. Very much it seems in


anger over what Hezbollah has been doing in Qusair.


Thank you very much. With the next general election less than two


years away the opposition has begun its slow policy striptease. Ed


Balls earlier this week and today Labour Party leader, Ed Miliband,


have begun to reveal a little more of what they will be offering


voters. They are trying to convince people that they will be fiscally


responsible and ready for tough decisions on welfare.


But there are risks, not least that if they reveal too much others may


steal their policies. Too little and nobody will take any notice.


Here is our political editor to judge whether they have got the


balance right? If the political scene is a market


of ideas, Ed Miliband the trader is accused of not having as well


stocked a store as these chaps. He's supposed to peddle old not


fresh fruit. If he doesn't shift fiscal credibility his ideas on


welfare will be another idea on the shelf. This morning, two years out


from a general election the market of political ideas got a bit busier.


Down the road from this market in Newham, East London, Ed Miliband


unveiled new items. The biggest item of expenditure, alongside the


National Health Service is the social security budget. The next


Labour Government will have less money to spend. If we are going to


turn our economy round, protect our NHS and build a stronger country we


will have to be laser-focused on everything single pound we spend.


Social security spending, vital as it is cannot be exempt from that


discipline. So Ed Miliband would be trimming the welfare budget


afterall. And after quite some years of opposing the coalition's


welfare reforms. He would be doing it his way. He said that way would


be very different from the Prime Minister's way. I will tell you


there is a minority who don't work but should. He will tell you anyone


looking for work is a skiver. I will tell you that we need to


protect the dignity of work and make work pay. He will hit the low


paid in work. I will tell you we do need to get the housing benefit


bill down with a cap that works, but crucial low by investing in


homes and tackling private landlords. He will make the problem


worse by making people homeless and driving up the bill. Today he


announced a three-year cap on social security spending from 2015.


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He also said a Labour Government would amend jobseeker's allowance


to reflect tax paid when an individual has been in work. Labour


would also give councils powers to negotiate with landlords, new lower


rents. The money saved could be invested in house building. There


would be subsidies for employers in order to boost wages and reduce the


take up of tax credits. And also for parents of small children, if


they don't prepare for work there will be sanctions.


So there we have it. Against the backdrop of planes taking off Ed


Miliband launched his new tougher welfare agenda. The question I


wanted to ask was if his reforms don't work, will he cut to meet


that cap. He didn't answer that question at all today, and until he


does I think the credibility issue with Labour and welfare does still


remain. This is a problem for them, in the


most recent month this poll showed that David Cameron was trusted by


37% of people to manage the economy, that's compared with 23% for Ed


Miliband. To restore their fiscal credibility this week Labour


pledged to match the coalition's spending plans for 2015. It is very


difficult to get away from the fact that Labour is still going to have


to make some tough choices in 2015. So these long-term policies saying


we're structurally going to change the nature of the Welfare Bill, we


are going to bring down the cost of housing benefit and reduce the


amount we spend on tax credits. They are really important but never


going to add up to the savings that you need to find on welfare.


In the budget the Chancellor and now today Ed Miliband have said


they want to target something called the A ME budget, annually


managed expenditure. Over five years to 2012 this budget grew by


�46 billion. Two thirds of this included pensions and working-age


benefits, including housing been fit and tax credits. In total this


budget is �350 billion of spending. That's half of all Government


expenditure. It is so far been relatively protected. I think it is


very unclear what this means, we don't know whether working-age


benefits are going upwards when you trip out the effects of the


recession. Some of the changes this Government have made and the last


Labour Government have slowed it. It is not clear whether it is a


really as implied deep cuts or not at all. This week the Miliband idea


stall filled up. Interesting ideas that perhaps more people will


question than buy outright just now. But two years out from a general


election that is not a terrible trading position. Remember the


young leader of the opposition Margaret Thatcher didn't have many


items on show in the run up to the 1979 election, she should have been


an expert, she was the daughter of a grocer.


Tonight we heard that the Duke of Edinburgh had been admitted to


hospital earlier in the day. Buckingham Palace said it was not


an emergency admission, and the Duke would be having an exploratory


operation tomorrow. The BBC's royal correspondent is here. How serious


is this do you think? It is difficult to say. Exploratory


operation, that is the phrase being used by Buckingham Palace, an


exploratory operation which clearly has been called for by the doctors


after first routine tests and then what the palace describes as


investigations of the abdomen. I think it is unwise to speculate at


this stage. We are led to believe it is nothing to do with his heart,


he had a heart episode a few years ago or the bladder infection, there


were two episodes of that last year. It is an exploratory operation on a


man who in four days time will be 92 years old. Clearly that is quite


challenging. It must be said it was not an emergency admission. He went


in good spirits, he was at a Buckingham Palace garden party this


afternoon and people who saw him there said you wouldn't think


anything of wrong at all. He was cracking jokes and being his formal


self. There will be an operation under general anaesthetic as we


understand it, tomorrow. For the Queen now, more solo public duties?


Yes, coming to the BBC indeed tomorrow. She will be fulfiling


that engagment. A busy few week, Trooping the Colour on Saturday,


and she will be doing those on her own. It is a statement of the


obvious that it must be a rather anxious time for her.


In its desire to trade with China is the Government leaving Britain's


infrastructure more vulnerable to sieber attack? The parliamentary --


cyber attack? The parliamentary intelligence and security


commission issued a sharply-worded report today of Britain's dealings


with a big Chinese telecommunications company. The


Americans and Australians regard the company as a security risk. But


the UK has allowed the company a big role in telecoms contracts,


where is risk? Here is our science editor.


It is the stark warning, telecommunications is the life


blood of a successful economy. But we have reached the point where the


need to protect our economic competitiveness is now so paramound


mount that even national security concerns could -- paramount that


even national security concerns could be compromised. Focusing so


heavily on trade ties with China we could overlook the other side of


the coin, the security risks in cyberspace. For MI6 cyber espionage


is a growing anxiety. In today's report the MPs recognise the


difficulty for Government in balancing that concern against its


strong desire for inward investment from countries such as China.


Today's report highlights the business relationship between


Chinese telecoms giant Waway and British companies like BT. Its


messages are primarily for Government. There is little doubt


that China as a country goes in for hacking in a big way. It made it


all the more important if you have a very major Chinese company, that


happens to be the second largest telecommunications company in the


world, that was a pretty useful test case to use. With 150,000


employees and a turnover of around �20 billion, the company is a


global force. But it is the company's close relationship with


Beijing that unnerved some politicians. With multibillion


pound deals between the company and British Telecom over the past


decade, having been forged apparently without British


Government oversight. We looked at how the decision to allow a Chinese


company to become part of our critical national infrastructure


was taken. To our shock and horror we discovered it was taken by


cabinet officials who didn't even inform ministers never mind ask for


their decision. That was very, very bad indeed. That must never happen


again. There is no suggestion in the report that the company or BT


have done anything wrong. Today Their official statement makes


clear the company sees its relationship with the UK as


Today's report says GCHQ should be given oversight of a cyber security


centre in Oxfordshire set up and run by Huawei to allay fears over


openness. This testing centre, known as "the cell" allows clients


to check products before they buy. The staff who run it are employees


of Huawei. Some say GCHQ employees should run it instead. One former


security adviser said such deals recognise more than one big risks.


Testing components or systems gives you a snapshot in time. It tells


you how those components and system will operate in an artificial


environment. Once those systems or components are employed in practice,


in the real world, how they operate could change quite fundamentally.


In the US anxiety over Huawei and the proksimity to the Chinese


Government came to -- proksimity to the Chinese Government came to the


House last year. The White House was reported to have included that


there was no evidence that Huawei was spying on the US. Sloppy coding


may have created vunabilities that could be exploited by dub


vunerabilities that could be exploited by other parties.


switches and routers, their products have a good reputation. BT


and other companies have purchased those products. Over the last seven


years there was no major security incidents. The United States are


very concerned, possibly the UK parliament committee assumed that


they needed to send a signal to Washington, see, we are also doing


something about this problem. Government here attempted to move


the emphasis away from cyber security fears. George Osborne


stressed his personal priority remained increasing trade links


with China. So with me now are a former


Scotland Yard cyber security detective and now security


consultant and the author of When China Rules The World. Are the MPs


worried? Are they right to be worried about this? They are right


to be concerned. The decisions that were made ten years ago in the when


the contract was awarded. The report says there was no


information available or mechanisms to look at it with the rigour that


could be done now. It is right and proper and healthy that things are


revisited, when they impact on critical infrastructure and


national security. It is important, we mustn't represent the Huawei


option as being an either/or choice. Their products are ubiquitous, and


there is only one other company that could provide the whole set of


infrastructure which is Ericson. It is not as if the ministers or


Government have been provided with a choice of either/or? The company


obviously is a quite legitimate company, nothing has been proven


against them. What is the theoretical risk, what is it that


people are concerned about in terms of the actual modalities about how


this might weaken the UK's national infrastructure? Specifically in


terms of communication. The communication element of critical


national infrastructure is vulnerable to denial of service.


And also espionage and eaves dropping. Also in the report itself


published by the UK Intelligence Committee. GCHQ reporting to


parliament said there are over one million lines of code in the


platform and software used by way way. Vulnerability is a function of


complexity. It is very difficult for anybody to go through that and


say with any degree of certain toe that there are no vunabilities in


there whether intention or inadvertant.


Does this worry you or is it a case of Chino-phobia? There is such a


thing and we are seeing a lot of it at the moment. If you recall two or


three years ago do you remember all the issues of China manipulating


its currency. Where did that go, we hardly hear that at all. This is


the latest fashion, particularly strong in America. I'm not saying


there isn't a problem. But I think it is, you know, greatly


exaggerated. I must say I very much agree with the position taken by


the Chancellor, which is the priority for Britain is to focus on


much better trade relations with choin that. It is going to be so


important -- China. It is going to be so important. The risk worth


taking that something might be amiss here? Go into it with eyes


open and take measures that should be taken. That shouldn't be an


excuse not to have a relationship with Huawei, it is extreme low


important and successful company. As was said it makes now extremely


good equipment at very affordable prices. Its not just us that are


interested in it. You know they are supplying many countries around the


world now with this kind of stuff. To what extent do you think both of


you that cyber security is something where everybody wants to


play the victim, but nobody really wants to admit the extent to which


they themselves are exploiting some of these technologies? Beautifully


put. I mean this is a world of hypocrisy. I must say I'm sure the


country that's most involved in cyber espionage is the United


States. You know all the mood music we hear of course is American,


particularly American criticism of China. But you know you can bet


literally your bottom dollar that America is doing a hell of a lot of


it to China. You know if you read between the lines or not sometimes


between the lines there is an omission of this by the Americans.


If everybody is at it, presumably part of that is trying to ensure


your own protective security. What are our options, you mentioned that


possibly Ericson are the only possible alternative providers. Is


it the case that China with telecoms infrastructure is in a


very dominant position. You get to the chip level and so many things


embedded in the hardware. It is very difficult to take a route


where there would be no involvement whatsoever. It is interesting in


terms of the advance threat perspective of this and what has


happened with the cyber. There is a lot of difficult chatter at the


moment that is not always as well informed as it could be. The


situations analogyies to what happened with the research for


spliting the at tomorrow and after the test bombs were -- atom and


after the test bombs were tested and it was clear the atom had been


split. Over the years people have figured out how to do it. With the


other threats it is clear there is a whole range of attack sectors


against IT systems that weren't common knowledge.


Thank you very much. Is there anything slightly unclean


about the payday loan industry? That is the impression you might


have got from Bolton Wanderers football fans. When a company


called Quick Quid, they don't beat about the bush, offered the club a


lucrative sponsorship deal there were howls of protests. Bolton's


business managers were forced into a re-think.


It is 1929, Bolton is bursting with pride. Bolton warders had just won


the FA Cup Final for the third time that decade. There were many more


glory days to come. The club may now be in the second tier. This is


still a town full of pride for its team and protective of its


reputation. It is one of the reasons why so many people here


signed a petition to stop the sponsorship deal with Quick Quid.


One of the people to sign it was Phil. I think it is out of order,


people who work hard for their money, these people are sort of,


you borrow �100 and basically they don't tell you the interest rates,


I think the interest rates are extortionate. If Bolton Wanderers


have this company sponsoring their team I think to be honest what sort


of message does it give to children. Bolton Wanderers Football Club


pride itself on its links with the community. When 5,000 people signed


a petition calling on them to cancel the deal with Quick Quid


felt they had no choice but to drop them as a sponsor. They admit they


underestimated the strength of feeling here in Bolton.


Take a walk down Bolton high street and you can see how the easy credit


industry dominates the town. It is a similar story in many of the


poorest parts of Britain. The annual turnover of payday loans has


gone up from �220 million in 2010 to �860 million in 2012. The annual


turnover of payday loans from �220 million in 2010, to �860 in 2012.


There was as many as eight million payday loans in 2012, and 7 2,000


companies are licensed to lend. Nearly 25,000 people have asked the


Citizens Advice Bureau for help with a payday loan. One of those


people is Andrew Masters, he borrowed �100 from a payday lender


a year ago, now he owes �1,000 and the company is threatening him with


the bailiffs. Surely you must have known you would have to pay a lot


in interest? It was easy to get. You go to the banks and things and


they turn you down. But that it was just easy, wasn't it. You know what


I mean. Why did you need the money so badly? My girlfriend was


pregnant. On our wages we couldn't afford it to buy stuff we needed


for the baby. Councillor Chris Peacock organised the petition. For


him this isn't just about politics. He's been supporting Bolton


Wanderers all his life. As a kid I glue up with Bolton being sponsored


by Reebok, it was over a decade they sponsored them with a close


link to the town. I only ever wanted Reebok product its and


trainers and tracksuits, everything had to be Reebok. I'm not saying


kids are going out to want a payday loan, but it is that connection


with the community and the sponsor and the communities reacting it.


For me it was too uncomfortable. The credit industry says


campaigners are ill-informed about how payday lending works.


worries people that people are making a judgment based on a low


level of damage. Making commercial decisions and in some cases moral


and political decisions about the short-term lending market. There


are standards in place, people like the product. It is legal. It is


heavily regulated. It is simply that people have a natural


inclination to oppose something and we are the flavour of the month.


Campaigners say it shouldn't be left to the public to put the


pressure on the industry. They want the Office of Fair Trading to act


and the Government to do more to regulate the credit market.


That's all we have time for. Time for a lie down, from all of us here


good night. 25 degrees today, good night. 25 degrees today,


similar temperatures tomorrow. Not the same low cloud like this


morning. Higher-bayed cloud in the south could give one or two showers.


The odd one over mountains, in the north many places with a dry day


and a lot of sunshine. Lovely day for Northern Ireland, dry with


sunnier skies towards the north. These showers over the Scottish


mountains, very few and far between. Another warm day for the time of


year. For the western side of Scotland. The odd shower over the


northern Pennines, but sunny spells across much of northern England and


the Midlands. Cloud coming into the south more thaned today. A stronger


breeze by the afternoon as well spots of rain in the south-east.


Lively in the afternoon in Cornwall. One or two thundery downpours


possible. Very hit and miss. Wales should stay dry so temperatures


typically around 22 degrees or so, could be locally 25. Always cooler


around those North Sea coasts. That is heading into the weekend then.


No major surprises, we will see a little bit more cloud around some


eastern parts of England and Scotland but most places bright,


warm and sunny. Temperatures over the weekend not as high as we are


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