02/07/2013 Newsnight


With Jeremy Paxman. The latest news from Egypt, the Mandela family fall out with each other, Wales changes the rules on organ donation and a look at state boarding schools.

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The clock is ticking in Cairo, the protests are unabated and the


military's deadline approaches. As the unelected Egyptian military


glitters in the affection of protestors, while the


democratically chosen presidency seems paralysed what is the will of


the people? What does the rest of the Middle East make of it all?


Well now, let's start in Egypt, the Obama administration is telling


President Morsi to respect the wishes of the people, but there is


no sign of bridges being built and the Egyptian army deadline will


have expired before this time tomorrow night. If there is no sign


of settlement between the two sides the state news agency claim tonight


that the army plans to suspend the constitution, dissolve the


legislature and impose a caretaker Government. The Muslim Brotherhood


figures are talking of a coup. Let's go first tonight to Jeremy


Bowen who is in Cairo. Now Jeremy, there is talk tonight of talks


between President Morsi and the head of the army, have you heard


anything about that? Yeah, there have been reports that these talks


are going on throughout the day. It is clear there have been


negotiations happening. There have been some clues coming out as to


President Morsi's attitude. He put out some announcements on Twitter


in the last hour or so in which he called upon the military to


withdrew its ultimatum and he said that they would not be dictated to


by internal or external forces. And in the last few minutes there has


been a flash that says he's preparing to address the nation. My


guess is that in that speech there will be more defiance, there were


very big demonstrations, not just in Cairo, but other parts of the


country as well, by the Muslim Brotherhood today. A real show of


strength. I have to say things on the streets are deteriorating.


There are quite a few reports of clashes going on in Cairo and other


places. At a rally I was at earlier outside Cairo University, since I


left there are reports that four or five people have been killed there


in clashes which are still going on between the two sides. This is a


really dangerous and urgent situation now. I know this is a


very difficult question to answer, but does it feel as if the


Government is on the edge of collapse? Well, if you look at


what's happening around, politically, around President Morsi,


he has lost through resignations at least six ministers and there are


rumours and reports that more of those could be going before the


army deadline comes in tomorrow. He's even lost two or three of his


most important spokesmen. So, you know, that's a sign. But, on the


streets, if you think about the Muslim Brotherhood in Government


quite frankly at times they have been not just inexperienced but


pretty incompetent, but they have been going since 1928 working


towards the power they have got now, they will not give it up lightly.


On the streets they are tenacious and well organised as a group. They


are able to put people out on the streets. So while he seems to be


losing support in his own cabinet, actually on the streets he has a


lot of true believers behind him. That is the Muslim Brotherhood's


real strength and that is something that he's trying to plaijer at the


moment and show to the army as well, they can't dismiss them lightly.


sounds a very dangerous situation? It is feeling like a collision


course at the moment. Feelings are running high. Pressure has been


building up in call kinds of directions in this country since


the fall of President Mubarak. There has been economic collapse,


political chaos, repeated clashes, repeated mass demonstrations. And


now down below me there are tens of thousands of people demonstrating


yet again and the streets around the square are full as well, that


they want Morsi out. They are determined, they say, everyone I


have spoken to says it, to stay there until he goes, and there are


early elections. On the other hand there is Morsi saying, do not


trifle with us, we're the Muslim Brotherhood, we don't want violence,


but we don't want ultimatums either. There is a massive gulf between the


two sides, here is the army saying they will step in. I don't see any


circumstances in which the army are going to withdraw their ultimatum.


So it will be a tense 24-hours and a dangerous 24-hours too I think.


Now Egypt may have a collapsing state and faltering economy, but


there are no shortage of other countries with a keen interest in


its future. Our diplomatic editor, reports.


The military ultimatum has stoked Cairo's cauldron of protest rather


than quietening it. After one year in power President Mohamed Morsi's


Government is tottering. His opponents sense they may soon be


able to deliver the knock-out blow. The first step towards finding a


solution should be the resignation of Mohamed Morsi as President,


bowing to overwhelming desire of the majority of Egyptians. It is


the National Salvation Front's belief that Egypt should go through


a transitional period during which the constitution will be reviewed,


presidential elections held and the democratisation process put on the


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These forces are on a collision course.


Just in the last few minutes President Morsi has said he won't


step down, he is the democratically elected President. A few moments


ago I spoke to Chris Hadfield of the Muslim Brotherhood in -- I


spoke to a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Is President Morsi


prepared to make any concessions to the protestors? I think the


President is prepared to do all necessary to pass this crisis. The


question is not what type of concessions to make, the question


is how to make these concessions. There are one or two ways to do


that, either representatives of the opposition appear on the


presidential dialogue table, or at least they invite the President to


a dialogue table. He announced that last week. Or we go through a


parliamentary elections and then, according to the numbers that have


showed up on the streets, think they have a good chance of winning


the elections, changing the constitution, even impeaching the


President if they so wish. It has to be through democratic means and


not under a military coup. Do you think that there can be dialogue


before the military deadline expires tomorrow? I don't think the


military deadline means that much more us. I think at the end of the


day Egyptians have taken a decision to go through this transition


through democratic means, democracy as a system is the pinnacle of how


human beings solve their differences in a political


governance platform. There is no better system or alternative to


that system. Unless we accept that we can plunge Egypt into another


cycle of military dictatorship that we will not come out of for another


60 years. Egyptians broke that in the January 25th revolution, we are


under no circumstances willing to go through that again. Supposing


the military decide that you have not met their deadline and


therefore to save the country they must do something. That would be up


to them. They can either stick with their role, to protect the


legitimacy of the state and the sovereign leader of the state and


work within his leadership grounds, he's the Commander-in-Chief of the


Armed Forces, if they do not the people of Egypt have stood once


before inside the Jan 25th revolution to anyone attempting to


withdraw their will and their right to choose their leaders from then


as before. Has the President spoken to the


head of the army? Yes I believe they have spoken today and


yesterday. They have actually published some photos of them


meeting together, but I'm not aware of the context of the discussions.


Are you confident that President Morsi will still be in the


Presidential Palace tomorrow night? I think the idea of being in the


Presidential Palace to become a President is quite absurd. The


legitimacy does not come from the building but from the grass roots


support and from the ballot box. This President has voted in by 51%


of the population. You don't stop a presidency mid-term because the


President's favouritism dropped. I don't think any democracies in


Europe can risk changing the Governments or Presidents for bad


performance of their Government. Half the European countries have


already had economic problems on their hands. What have the


Americans asked President Morsi to do? I'm not aware except of the


published at the same time both of the ambassador here and President


Obama. Both statements indicate they are not taking part in


political strive, but backing the - - strive, but backing the


democratic process. That is a smart choice, this is how we commit


ourselves to creating a sustainable democracy in Egypt. It is in its


first year, in its infancy, it needs to be protected through that


process. It is quite clear the state is ungovernable now? Sorry?


It is suffering from many issues, this is 60 years of military


dictatorship, 30 years of corruption. When we pud our


presidential programme in place, when we -- put our presidential


programme in place and promoted President Morsi as our candidate,


his first phase of programme of reform was four-to-five years, the


firefighting stage, where we have to deal with all the her particular


of the NDP and corrupt Mubarak regime, we are still going through


that. Thank you very much for sparing the


time to talk to us in rather difficult circumstances thank you.


Thank you. So what will the Obama


administration do now? In Washington is the former Assistant


Secretary of State PJ Crowley, do you think President Obama knows


what he wants out of this crisis? know what he wants, which is to see


democracy develop and advance, but ultimately the key decisions we


made inside Egypt and not from outside Egypt. He wants President


Morsi to stay? I think he want whatever is going to happen to move


Egypt forward and deep in democracy not to take it off the democratic


rails, if you will. Obviously there are some profound questions here.


This situation, as you hint, is unsustainable. Now how does it


change, how does it end. Will Morsi reach beyond the Muslim Brotherhood


and have a meaningful dialogue with the opposition? Indications are not


necessarily. The opposition, over the last year or two, has been


relatively ineffective, has not necessarily been able to translate


the energy that we see in the dramatic pictures in Egypt, into


real political influence. A is whether the military ultimatum is


firm or flexible. The real dilemma is that whatever these actors may


or may not do in the coming hours or days, is any of that going to be


acceptable to the people in the streets? But he's a democratically


elected President? He is. And that's a dilemma because he's right


now the only democratic pillar that exists, whether he's governing


effectively or ineffectively is a separate discussion. One of the


dilemmas is that you don't have a seated legitimate parliament, the


constitutional court has prevented both houses from being seeded and


the votes respected. There is an interim Upper House in place. But


the constitutional court has not necessarily allowed the development


of multiple institutions of political life. So that's a dilemma,


all of the things that we are talking about take time and


obviously the people in the streets are demanding just one thing, Morsi


has to go. You are plugged in enough to have a


guess, a good guess at the answer to this question, which is should


the Egyptian army decide to intervene tomorrow that the current


situation is so unstable they have to intervene, they have perhaps to


put President Morsi, if not to depose him, to put him to one side


temporarily, would the United States support that? It is a real


difficult question. I think the United States has two levers, one


is depending on what happens, and what the military role is, the


United States has the option of declaring it a military coup, which


would mean the suspension of billions of colours in military


assistance. Depending on how it unfolds, how quickly there is a


transitional Government put in place and firm pledges to early


elections. The United States might forestall such a firm judgment to


give Egypt time to chart a path back to democracy. The other lever


the United States has with the international community, as your


reporting suggested, Egypt is in desperate need of international


assistance. Obviously the longer this goes on, the more difficult it


is going to be for the World Bank, the IMF, other countries, to put


money into Egypt and so that would suggest to the political actors


here, you don't have a lot of options, you have to find a way to


solve this, meet the needs of the people. Otherwise your economy is


going to collapse. PJCrowley thank you for sparing the time to talk to


Talk about undignified, as the most famous human rights hero lies in


hospital, his family war over where he will be buried. The vast pack of


what some of his closest call "jackels" has fallen on a family


dispute of Gothic dimensions, it involves burial, disinternment,


reburial, tribal custom, reputation and money. Now the police. In to


court in haste today, lawyers for both sides in a feud that could


hardly be a greater contrast to what President Obama called this


weekend when he was in South Africa "the current outpouring of love for


Nelson Mandela". The urgency for resolving an embarrassing family


dispute over Mandela's graves, Nelson Mandela's own illness. The


man who became arguably the most famous and revered statesman of our


age was brought up here in the sweeping landscape of the Eastern


Cape. This is Kunu, the village that welcomed him home until he had


to be flown up to hospital in Pretoria last year. He has not been


back. But has indicated when he dies he wants to be buried here.


Other Madela have this -- Madelas have this as their resting place.


But in 2011 Nelson Mandela's grandson and oldest heir, Mandla is


thought to have taken the remains of two of Nelson Mandela's sons and


one daughter from Kuno to the nearby village of Mvezo without the


family's consent. Mandla Mandela holds the traditional chiefdom of


Mvezo, it was Nelson Mandela's birth place, and Mandla is creating


a centre. But the acrimony within the family over his actions that


has led to this civil ways in the court. The respondant failing to


return the remains. First 16 family members won an order that the


remains should be returned to Kunu, now Mandla Mandela is fighting back.


But the deadline for him to exhume the remains and rebury them in Kunu


is tomorrow afternoon. The court case here over the remains of the


three late children of Nelson Mandela is symptomatic of deeper,


long-running divisions in the former President's family. In the


eyes of the ANC in and traditional region here, the feud something is


all the more distasteful and critical as he's ill. There is a


global spotlight on South Africa and the Madela. Some elders say


while the family is at war the spirit of Nelson Mandela cannot be


at rest. It was totally wrong for Mandla Mandela to remove bones from


Kunu to Mvezo. According to our culture and tradition, you cannot


just take a decision. And tonight a further problem for Mandla Mandela.


The police are investigating a complaint against him by a family


member of the illegal tampering of graves.


The case that has opened is tamperering with a grave against


Mandla. After the document was opened we have started with


investigation, but the docket will be send to the senior public


prosecutor for a decision. Across South Africa there are have been


prayers for Nelson Mandela. The nation seems, at the moment, to be


moving to the haunting harmonies of its evocative music.


Many will no doubt be praying too for an end to the rifts in South


Africa's most famous family. In the studio is David James Smith,


who wrote the book Young Madela. He has interviewed many of Mr Madela's


relatives, we have Belinda Moses, a South African reporter in the


middle of the media circus there. Is this stress and imminent


bereavement bringing out the worst in the family or what? I think it


is a disaster waiting to happen. It would be niave to pretend for


anyone that they didn't know it was coming. Just to take the example of


the graves being removed. Mandla removed them with quite a lot of


publicity two years ago in May 2011. The family has had plenty of time


to address the problem. I think the difficulty is that the family


problems are so deep-rooted that no-one really knows what to, how to


deal with them or what to do about them. Grassa Michelle has made some


attempt to resolve difficulties within the families: I'm aware of


meetings that have ended in disarray and she hasn't been


success of. She's the third wife trying to patch up relations


between the first and second wife's offspring. You have a first family,


Madela's wife, Evelyn, and a second family which was winny and her two


daughters. Bell lind --Winnie and her two daughters. How charged an


issue is that out there? Of course for South Africans this is a pretty


ugly side show from what is a very sensitive to imin South Africa,


knowing that Nelson Mandela has been -- time in South African


knowing that Nelson Mandela has been gravely ill over the last few


days, South Africans are anxious to hear about his health condition,


and the family feud on the sidelines is something that is


pretty regretable as you mentioned and something that shouldn't be


happening at this time. This is a story that is two years old. The


timing of course is very questionable. And I think different


families members -- family members have come out saying different


things. All in all South Africans are pretty upset that this is


happening when they are so worried about Nelson Mandela and whether he


will be discharged from hospital any time soon. How much do you


think the presence of this enormous international media has aggravated


things? I can tell you that I have covered the story from day one, and


we saw a massive increase of the types of media that came camped out


outside the hospital. It has caused a bit of tension, not only among


South Africans that have been in the vicinity of the hospital, but


just South Africans in general who have essentially been praying for


Nelson Mandela for the past 20-odd days. We have seen actual scrambles


between the media and the police. We have seen members of the public


that have taken the media to task on just how close they seem to be


getting to the entrance of the hospital, and we have generally


seen a lot of people write into local pub daigss -- publications


and call into local radio stations and say the family does indeed need


the privacy and to visit their grandfather in peace, and have the


space they need so desperately at this time. Even though everybody


does see Nelson Mandela as a family member, they too want to have the


space to make sure that you know they are not overcompensating for


any type of closeness from the media and the media isn't barging


in where they aren't supposed to be. What this does shed a light upon,


undignified though the family row may be, that Nelson Mandela as well


as a an international icon is a fallible human being? He was a


father and a husband. Several times? Yes. And not necessarily


always very good at those roles. While the world is considering what


Nelson Mandela's legacy is, part of that legacy is the difficulties


within his family. Many of his family have felt in the past some


resentment towards him because of the difficulties. Mandla, who is


alleged to have perpetrated this removal of the bodies, what's the


point of that? The point is that he feels this is part of Madela's


heritage, this place Mvezo. So Mandla's own father was the head


man in that village 100 years ago. I was deposed and part of the


family myth was he was sent backing by the colonial magistrates, so


Madela oversaw Mandla's installation as the chief of the


village. So he has the indorsment of Nelson Mandela himself.


Enforcement of Nelson Mandela himself. How much of a feeling do


you get that this is part of the Madela's industry? There is always


issues of money over Madela. We have seen people over the past few


years people fighting over paintings of Madela, over what


should be his legacy in terms of the heritage sites and museums that


will exist long after he has left this world. Of course with the


family it has been pretty clear that there are serious division


amongst them. Especially as to who get to carry on this legacy of


Nelson Mandela. We know that the Nelson Mandela Foundation has done


a lot of work to help children and all around the country and push


this issue of education that Nelson Mandela fought for so many years.


But there is the issue of money and who gets the rights to the name,


"Nelson Mandela". Wales is to become the first part of the UK to


assume that if you die the state will have the right to take out


your heart or liver or other vital organs to use them to help someone


else. It is a change in the law that's been longed for by the huge


number of people across the kingdom, waiting for a transplant that could


transform their lives and which hitherto has depended upon possible


donors saying because they have no use to them somebody else might


benefit. The Welsh Assembly voted an hour ago for a law in Wales that


means you have to opt-out of being a donor, instead of opting-in.


It was the transplantation of the human heart, unpoetic pump though


it may be, which captured the imagination of the world. And


compelled us all to think about the rights and wrongs of the new


techniques. In the late 1960s the world was reeling from from the


first-ever heart transplant in 1967. To this day we are still grappling


with the profound issues of life and death raised by organ donation.


That does bring tonight's business to a close, thank you very much.


The Welsh vote late tonight makes it the only country in the UK with


a system that presumes consent, unless otherwise stated. Many still


object. Among them religious groups. They call it deemed consent, it is


no kind of consent at all it seems to me. It is rather the taking of


organs rather than the gifting of organs. Matthew Fenton is a


paediatric cardiologist, he welcomes the Welsh move. We need to


come down one way or another in the UK about how we can solve the


problem of organ donation. We are not as good as other countries.


We're somewhere near the bottom third of donations per million of


the population, we need to improve that. It is down to the public to


buy into being a country that is in favour of organ donation or not.


There has been a steady rise in the number of registered donors in the


UK, which now stands at almost 20 million. With just over 3,000


transplants from donors who have died in 2012 to 2013. These include


transplants of the lungs, heart and kidneys, all of which have


increased in the past five years. However, the number of donations is


still below what's needed, in March this year there were well over


7,000 people on the transplant waiting list, a number that stayed


about the same in those five years. With donor numbers going up, why


are we still in such desperate need of more? One of the key findings


from the confidential audit of deaths in intensive care units in


1989/90 was that 30% of families refused consent for organ donations,


so that a major barrier was relatives' refusal. Since that time,


in the ensuing two decades the refusal rate has actually increased


so that now we face a refusal rate of about 40%.


Ministers in Northern Ireland plan to consult on public attitudes to


organ donation and in Scotland ministers have said presumed


consent is not completely off the agenda.


In England there has been a 50% increase in the number of people


donating organs after death in the past five years. Which means that


NHS blood and transplant service have hit their targets. Though that


is not enough, of course, and we understand that next week they will


issue their strategy for the next five years to improve on that.


Though there is little expectation of a radical change in direction,


such as presumed consent. A recent NHS survey gained a


snapshot of how people view organ Some medics argue that the best way


to enkoirage more donors is to make harder for all -- encourage more


donors is to make it harder for us to opt out. Sitting and registering


to be a donor is not something people do. It is a question of


turning to your relatives or everybody having a time where they


say we will talk about this and we are going to make sure you know


what my wishes are if something happen. Nobody expects the worse to


happen to them. The developing techniques of organ transplantation


raise urgent issues which society must face. We have to make up our


minds whether to encourage more transplants or not. Now, just as 50


years ago, it seems we are reluctant to talk about the end of


life, and its many dilemmas. With us is Dr Tony Calland chairman of


the British Medical Association's Medical Ethics Committee, and the


person who previously worked on the task force for organ donation and


faith leaders. Is this change in Wales likely to improve the number


of donors? I'm afraid the evidence is very mixed. We should not


dismiss the huge achievement in the past five years. 50% increase in


donors is remarkable. That has been achieved by improving donor


recognition in hospitals and delivering training. When you look


at other countries who have introduced opting out, they have


not seen a reduction in refusal rates, we have to be careful.


is a lot of double negatives there, let me work this out. If other


countries that have said you are presumed to be willing to give have


seen people objecting to that, is that what you are saying? Some


countries have. Where as in some countries the refusal rate has


reduced, so the evidence is mixed. What is really clear is public


education does have an effect, and I think it is welcome that Wales


are going to invest in a public education scheme when they


introduce this legislation. Do you have an site from an ethical point


of view about the notion that the state some how owns your body?


think the first thing to say is the state will not own your body. I


don't have a problem with the ethics of it, because this is about


autonomy, this is about carrying out the wishes of an individual


after they have died. And there is a safeguard that they can either go


on the organ donor register, they can opt in or they can opt-out.


There is a safeguard of having their relatives, who will be asked,


if they know of any recent change in the view of the person who is


deceased. If they know there is a reason why they should have not


consented. But if the presumption is that you have opted in, in other


words that the state may take organs from your dead bodyk can --


body. Can the family say they don't want that? The legislation in Wales


is actually permissive, it is not directive. So in the face...Can


family stop it happening? In the face of a huge family objection,


even though now. Who judges how huge?. It is a clinical judgment,


it is a judgment done by the highly experience transplant team at the


time. But that occurs in the current system in England at the


moment. Obviously in the face of a deeply traumatised and very upset


family who are seriously against it, nobody is going to go and take


organs against their wishes under those circumstances. It was


striking in that piece from Susan Watts is relatives objects even


from those who opted to give their organ, the number of people


refusing has risen, why is that? This is why we need the investment


in public education. There hasn't been the investment previously and


we have seen a constant refusal rate for the last five years of 40%.


And more worryingly in non-white families that refusal rate is 70%


and it is welcome that Wales are going to invest �8 million. Why do


they feel more strongly about it? Because of pure lack of engagment


with these communities on donation. Why are the organs of use to anyone


else? All the research shows that people have common fears not ethnic


or Asianly specific. They are around fear of death and what will


happen to the body, mistrust of medical professions. We have to


recognise that some communities don't enjoy equal access and equal


kality of care. That does -- quality of care. That does manifest


itself in organ dough iing that. It is important to equally engage with


all the communities, via faith and community groups. What is the less


I don't know we learn from the Welsh experience? The Welsh


experience will hopefully give us information about whether this way


of doing things increases the number of organs available. We have


seen because of the increased infrastructure and staff, we have


seen in an increase in donations both in England and Wales. But I


think a move to the Welsh system now will sort of settle the


argument, if you like, once and for all. It is a fairly controllable


smallish population and a better sort of way of doing it than


suddenly the whole UK with 60-odd million people involved. It is


better with three million to see what difference it makes and


hopefully it are. Thank you.


British parents are notorious the world over for loving their


children so much that if they can afford to do so they send them to


live somewhere else as soon as possible. The boarding school


system is however celebrated for achieving results, although at eye-


watering cost, maybe �30,000 per year per child. There is a way of


getting a boarding school place for a fraction of the cost. Not a young


offenders institution! But one of the 38 state boarding schools. They


have become rather fashionable and the Government wants to see more of


them. So can they be expanded? The afternoons at Winmar college are


action-packed. It is the largest state boarding school in the


country. At the school barbecue children


told us they are having too much fun to get home sick. Do you not


miss your family? Not really. Sometimes, I did at the start of


the year, but I don't any more. What about your sister? I missed


her when I first joined now I have realised how annoying she is.


old is she? Three.How is she annoying? She irritates me and


ruins my room and my guitar. There is nothing new about this


Government's enthusiasm for state boarding schools, the last five


education secretaries promised to expand them, yet there are still


only 38 of them. If they really want to open them up to


disadvantaged pupils they are going to need to work out who is going to


pick up the �9,000 boarding fee. There are 5,000 state borders in


total. 130 places are paid for by local Government, while charities


pay for 100 pupils. So, fewer than 5% of state borders come from


disadvantaged backgrounds. -- Boarders come from disadvantaged


backgrounds. None of the this school's boarders are paid for a


local authority, and four are supported by a charity. There isn't


a straight forward way through the door for children who can't afford


�9,500. That is not for want of our trying. The issue is, is there a


Government bold enough and brave enough to say not only that we are


going to rule the ends to this but the means also. We really mean it


this time, this Secretary of State unlike the previous four I have


known in my career will have the bottle to do it. You sound a bit


fed up? I may give that impression. This building is fantastic. Do you


like living here? Yeah.Lauren calls the boarding house at


Harrefield academy home. What do you like most of being here? I love


being part of a family and the togetherness, and there is so many


different people here. Lauren found studying at home


difficult. She was brought up by a single mother who works nights as a


nurse. Lauren wanted to board, so the school found a benefactor to


pay her fees. It did lift a lot of pressure. I became more active and


confident in my work. If I struggled with something I didn't


have to keep it in, because I didn't want to force it upon my mum


when she came back from work because she was tired. So I would


let someone else know, I would tell the house parent, you would go into


school and talk to my teacher. you think being here has given you


your childhood back? Yeah. I think so. If Lauren needs support she can


turn to one of the school's called house parents. I just wanted to


check up on you today. The academy prides itself on its pastoral care.


It would like to give more places to vulnerable children, including


those in care. We have got only one young person funded by a local


authority, and we think that's interesting or, we are disappointed


by that. Because we think it could be so easy to prevent a young


person's life going in the wrong direction, just by allowing them to


board with us. I think someone at some time needs to sit back and do


a cost analysis to see how much money is going into the system


either through social services or to provide emergency care and if we


could find the capacity to turn that money into places from the


start, then you know it seems like a no-brainer to me really.


According to the education charity Buttle UK, boarding helps


They are doing better pupils on free school meals.? -- in Royal


Berkshire they are preparing found for a new state boarding school.00


families have put their children down for a place, even the unborn


ones. The reason for the stampede, the school is being supported by


nearby Eton. That is helping to write the


curriculum and providing access to its playing field. So, the Eton


ethos without the Princely price tag. But why should only families


in Berkshire benefit? Why not open this school up in a deprived area.


Why not tap into an area that never thought Eton could be within its


reach? There are any dangers in focusing any school on any


demographic or type of background. The great joy of boarding, the


strength, is when you have a mixture of different types of


people from different backgrounds who perceive the world in different


ways. I would love to see a network of schools, many Holyports that


would allow students and families to access boarding in their region.


It would be good for them and the country too I believe. The founders


have a vision for their new school. They want 20% of pupils to come


from low income backgrounds. But, as the more established state


boarding schools have discovered, achieving the mixed intake is hard.


Is the frustration that we could have new schools opening up in the


state boarding sector that really turn out to be cut-price Etons or


we willingen tos? That is the worry -- or Wellingtons? That is the


worry. People have to look at the profile of these young people. It


is hard to get the right groups in, they have stood by a moral purpose


and are determined to do it. But I think there needs to be a


determined effort by all involved to make sure that those new


academies with boarding are used for the right student.


All the schools we have spoken to admit that boarding doesn't suit


every child, but when it works the effect can be transformative.


That's all we have time for tonight. That's all we have time for tonight.


Good night. Good evening, even though most of us will have seen


rain by first light, one or two gardens will be disappointingly dry.


That will be the last of the significant rain. Light rain or


drizzle across southern and western areas, it will be a day where


things turn dryer and brighter. With a bit more brightness breaking


through the cloud in Northern Ireland and central and eastern


Scotland in particular, after the cool, wet windy conditions, it will


feel warmer. Even the low 20s across part of north-east England.


A little more cloud to the west of the Pennines, here brighter sunny


spells. It might take a good part of the day through East Anglia and


the south-east to see those spells develop. It looks like even with


drizzle in the morning, Wimbledon should be try in the afternoon.


Cloud in the south west and Wales, a noticable breeze but dry through


With Jeremy Paxman. The latest news from Egypt, the Mandela family fall out with each other, Wales changes the rules on organ donation and a look at state boarding schools.