03/07/2013 Newsnight

first democratically elected Government in the biggest state in

the Arab world has been shouldered aside by the army, yet the western

Governments which so enthusiastically support democracy

and so regularly condemn military coups remain almost mute.

TRANSLATION: The constitution will be temporarily dissolved and the

head of the constitutional court will manage state affairs while a

new President is elected. declaration prompted great

celebrations among those who wanted to bring down the President. But

someer realise who see -- somber realisation from those who see him

as the legitimate President. What sort of Middle East is going to

emerge at the end of all of this. Is it wise for the west to promote

democracy there. Also tonight, they are quite legal and quite fatal.

says one two methiopropamine. you know what that is?

Is the law to be outwitted by the called legal highs.

That didn't last long, the Egyptian army have given the country's first

democratically chosen President 48 hours to appease his enemies and

when he didn't manage it, so for the second time the Arab Spring,

which was supposed to usher in popular rule has left the army in

charge of the biggest nation in the Arab world. No word on where the

President himself is, in the meantime there will be a temporary

Government, until more elections. First off, let's go to the centre

of the process in Tahrir Square, Jeremy Bowen is there. Last night

you talked about the danger of something perhaps akin to civil war,

is that danger now passing. I'm not hearing you too well. Let me tell

you about the atmosphere here. The decible level is quite

extraordinary. That is because there are so many people here

delighted about what they have achieved. It took them 18 days to

come to this place and to oust Hosni Mubarak. It has taken three

for President Morsi. And I think after Mubarak went there was a

sense of ex shaux, not here and now -- exshaugs, not here and Where Are

We Now. They are full of energy. Even though there are vast crowds

on the street, Cairo has 20 million people, it is certain that the

large amounts of people in the city tonight who are dismayed,

supporters of Muslim Brotherhood, who feel their man was elected

fairly and has been cheated. know the region very well, how is

it likely to play in other countries around about? To start

with, Egypt sees itself and is seen as one of the great, the great

centre. Cairo is the great centre of the Arab world. The most populus

Arab country by a very, by a about a quarter of Arabs are Egyptians.

People take a lead from here. That is what happened in 2011 in the

revolutions here. A of those revolutions started after what

happened -- a lot of those revolutions started after what

happened here in Cairo. The Muslim Brotherhood has been seen here and

elsewhere as one of the big winners, maybe the biggest winner of the

Arab uprisings, not least because it was very well organised. However

it is not looking like that tonight here in Egypt.

If their power long-term is broken that will have reprecussions around

the region, it will change the political balance, the political

equation in many other countries, right across North Africa and

elsewhere. There is a question here too isn't there for the Egyptian

military. Because American military aid is strictly dependant on arm

years they give assistance to, not staging coups. The Egyptian

military is in a very delicate position. The Egyptian army I have

heard is with the people and will not attack the people. That is

something they won't end up doing. They have said if there is any

violence they will deal with it. The thing is, the city is very

tense. The country is very sentence. There are clashes not just here but

elsewhere in the country as well. The army will be stuck within that,

they want to remain above the battle, literally and

metaphorically, they are players. They have always been strong

arbiters of power here, what they are also is as well as arbiters of

power, they are open political players. There are reprecussions

with their relationship with the Americans. The Americans bank roll

the Egyptian army, $2 billion a year. Under American law if the

Americans decide what has happened here is a coup d'etat, by most

definitions I would say that is what it is, by law they are

obligated to suspend those aid aiplts. We have to remember there

were 13 million or so people who voted for Mohamed Morsi. They may

not have been as noisy as the protestors these last few days. But

they are not keen to give up power. At the beginning of the day, when

the future of the Arab world's most populus country hung in the balance.

Supporters of President Mohamed Morsi proclaimed their patriotism

and declared they wouldn't leave the streets.

Their hero is not very charismatic, he admits he has made mistakes, big

ones in his first year in office. But he's democratically elected.

For Morsi's movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, who organised that

rally, that is what counts. After the revolution we vote for our

President, he is the only authority, the only elected authority in the

history, in Egyptian history. Only elected, one election free. He is

the only elected authority in Egypt. He is the President.

As they waited for the announcement and whether the army would

intervene to remove him, following a rejection of the ultimatum to bow

to millions of anti-Government protestors, their rallying cry was

legitimacy. That wasn't all. "We sacrifice ourselves with our

blood and our soul for Islam" they are shouting now. Most of the time

Muslim Brotherhood spokesmen prefer to talk about democracy and

legitimacy, but the cry here now is very different, it is for Sharia,

for an Islamic state. These people, mainly religious,

mainly lower middle-class represent a huge strand of Egyptian society

that feels it was excluded from power for decades under the

dictatorship, and now, after just one year, it is being threatened

with exclusion from power again. The Muslim people are part of this

country OK, but the liberal people want to take over the country. The

country, this country is an Islamic country, it is an Egyptian country,

not for one people, not for one part of people, all of us are

Egyptians, but unfortunately the liberal people want to take over

the country. Now, as far as these people are

concerned, Egypt's liberals, and Egypt's army are formed an

unnatural alliance against them and they are scared. What haunts

Islamists is the memory of though they were prepressed, many tortured

and im-- repressed and many tortured and imprisoned in the long

dictatorship. That is why since the Muslim Brotherhood it has been in

power it has tried to reach an accommodation with the army and the

police, clearly that hasn't worked. Now many are afraid that if the

army intervenes again, dark days of oppression will turn. This physics

teacher, a Muslim Brotherhood member remembers that.

TRANSLATION: Because of my ideology as a Muslim brother, I was arrested,

imprisoned and tortured under Hosni Mubarak. They used to take me from

my school to the state security prison, there was oppression all

the time, sometimes I had to tell them I wasn't a in the Muslim

Brotherhood to save myself. military coup now he predicted

would just lead to civil war. (gunfire) A frightening glimpse of

what could happen came earlier, when clashes between supporters of

the Government were reported to have killed at least 16 people.

Meanwhile, across town on Tahrir Square, the mass protest movement

that has erupted in recent days was also waiting for the army's

announcement. Some even demanding that the President be arrested. As

the army's deadline passed, security forces moved around Cairo,

but the military's intentions remained unknown as top generals

held crisis talks with opposition and religious leaders. Reports that

the army had already put Mr Morsi under house arrest were denied by a

presidential spokesman. Then, at last, hours after everyone expected

came the announcement everyone was waiting for. TRANSLATION: The Armed

Forces sensed its vision that the Egyptian people which are calling

it to support it, not to take power or to regin, but it is calling the

forces to serve the public interest and to protect the demanding of the

revolutions. As the crowd of protestors erupted in delight, the

Defence Minister went on to announce that a technocratic

Government will take over power until new presidential elections

can be held. He said the constitution pushed through last

year by the Muslim Brotherhood was cancelled, a new one would be

written to pave the way for a new parliament. All over Cairo those

who opposed the Muslim Brotherhood took to the streets to celebrate.

think it is the proper action against a dictator. I think it is a

proper justice to all Egyptians. I think all aspects were addressed

properly. I think there will be somebody to just take charge and

until we are ready to set up a parliament and until we are ready

to just move ahead. The protestors have got almost all they wanted.

But this isn't the end of the crisis. The announcement, a coup,

in all but name, keeps the army out of day-to-day politics. But it

reinforces a fundamental fault line in Egyptian society. And it raises

profound questions about what the Arab Spring was really for?

This certainly hasn't been a triumph for democracy. The crowds

are now cheering the very forces, the army and the Police whom they

were denouncing only a year ago, and who stand abused of many human

rights abuses. As the party goes on in Tahrir Square, the army is now

blocking roads to try to contain further protests by the other side,

supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood. Talk of compromise

seems to have been forgotten, and the stageset for further conflict.

With us now is a spokesperson for the Muslim Brotherhood in the UK.

Do you help that you have lost? What has happened today is a coup.

It is unconstitutional and it is not legitimate to completely

dismiss what people, as you mentioned, over 13 million people

wanted. They wanted a President. I think it is very interesting also

to portray the constitution as a Muslim Brotherhood constitution,

this constitution went to the referendum to the people and over

62% of the people voted in favour of it. So it gained its legitimacy

through the ballot box as well. I think what has happened is

completely, I don't know, I can't seen describe how horrendous an act

it is against democracy against all values, the western countries are

standing for. Do you understand where President Morsi is tonight?,

do you know where he is? I have been in contact with people who

closely associated with the President at the moment, some of

the few people are present with him at the moment President Morsi has

had a statement maybe half an hour ago. And he reemphasised the

legitimacy, the illegitimate institutional democracy that we

want to get into constitutional democracy. He emphasised we don't

want to go down the route of violence. He emphasised the

importance of having peaceful transitions generally. He also

emphasised that this is a coup and the world has to stop this coup

from happening. Millions of people are on the streets and even at home,

they have voted for President Morsi, they have not taken to the streets

as you have mention the but that will make them angry. They won't

believe in democracy. We have had a referendum for the constitution and

now the constitution is cancelled. We have had presidential elections

and now there is a coup against him, a military coup to a point that

presidential candidates are people who wanted to be Presidents are

being appointed. And a third thing as well, the parliament has been

dissolved, so you have already had parliamentary elections and then

they want us to go steps back, ever time we go towards democratic

legitimacy we are sent back it status quo. Do you know how

President Morsi, was he arrested tonight? I don't have a clear view

of that. My brother is the assistant of the President for

foreign relations, he is a senior assistant for the President. He has

been close with him over the past days, he hasn't been home. I was

trying to get hold of him over the last two hours, it was impossible.

The militarys has spread the tanks throughout east Cairo, around the

demonstrators who are supporting President Morsi, it is possible

also to get in touch by -- it is impossible to get in touch by phone

in east Cairo, they shut all the TV channel, all the Islamic TV

channels were shut. I think this is a reputation of the era in 1954

when he did the military coup. I think this is the statement that

says in Aric beneath his picture, "this is what we are going to do

for the Muslim Brotherhood". Certainly announcing a military

coup that would last from 1954 until 2011 and then for 50-

something years and we need another revolution like the one we had in

2011. It is very early days obviously, what is the thinking

within the Muslim Brotherhood about how things go forward from here

Muslim Brotherhood think that we need to stay together and try to

enforce the democracy. And the democracy of the ballot box, try to

move it forwards and get people to actually express their opinion in a

democratic way. It is impossible to dismiss the blunt bias. It is very

important Muslim Brotherhood is encouraging everyone to take part

in support of the legitimacy and to stand against the military coup

that is taking place at the moment. We will not take another era, we

will not take another military coup. The army has said it will react

forcibly if there is resistance to what it has done? That is what Nasr

said. The difference between 2011 and 2013 is people in 2013 were so

scared to go out against Mubarak because of his state police. When

my brother who is now somewherek went out in 2011, jeopardising our

familiarly, when I went out, when we have been protesting ever since

I was a child for democracy and human rights, we were so scared.

But we didn't care now millions are on the street because they know

there is nothing to stop them expressing their opinions.

President Morsi wouldn't express them from -- stop them from

expressing their opinions. He has allowed freedom of expression. The

military coup will stop the Muslim Brotherhood supporters or even the

legitimacy supporter from expressing their opinions. Thank

you very much. We are expecting to be speaking to

an Egyptian army general shortly but in the meantime let as talk to

Mark Urban, it is quite something when you compare the Arab Spring

optimisim with this summer's anxiety about whether the state can

survive. Popular protests then brought down Governments, not just

in Egypt but in Tunisia, Libya and in Yemen, encouraged by the west.

Today all the United States is doing is wittering. Meantime, of

course, there is a nasty Civil war raging in Syria, threatening to

destablise neighbouring Lebanon, taken together they do make you

bonder about the west's encouragement of democracy in the

region. What ought we to understand about this part of the world? Our

diplomatic editor is with us. Whys has the Arab Spring gone so badly

wrong, do you think? This is a big moment, isn't it tonight, a good

moment to take stock. We have seen these revolutions across the region.

The countries affected, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen and of course

Syria. The old system has been overturned, or at least seriouslyle

challenged in Syria, and in a sense people are struggling to find a new

system that make sense. The key thing that people are struggling,

we have heard the world so many times tonight, "legitimacy".

Elections only seem to play an understand depbltdepbl role in that

quest. Where do we want, religion, Islam in its different forms, the

army. All these constitutions argued about in Egypt for the past

two years, all of these things are being seized upon by people trying

to find legitimacy. You might say they are making progress in some

places, but in other places its a truingling without end. Contrast

that with the monarchys in the region, there hab problems in

Bahrain and Jordan, it is facing difficult challenges, but Qatar

managed a leadership change the other week and nobody in theed. An

ordinary success through the dynastic principle. Even though

they may be challenged and dissent in those countries, in those

countries the greater sense of legitimacy has resulted so far in a

more ordinary situation at least. What are the options for the west?

Well, look at the journey that the US /UK and other countries have

been on, particularly since the Iraq War. They went into Iraq,

having done so for all sort of reasons, this argument, many people

called it a neo-conargument about trying to plant a model democracy

in the Middle East. It brought to power religious-based parties and a

lot of amateurs and those who played the sectarian game, a costly

process for Iraq. The US encouraged the Palestinian Authority to hold

elections. That indirectly brought about the split between Hamas in

Gaza and Fatah on the West Bank. Which has disastrous consequences

for the Middle East peace process. In Lebanon too, American pressure

to hold elections that eventually led to this Hezbollah dominatedle

coalition. Not a result that in many ways -- dominated coalition,

not a result that America would be happy with. They don't feel able to

suggest anything other than democracy, but it is rebounding to

the detriment of western interests. It could be that these countries

are not suitable for democracy? That is an old fashioned view. If

you travel across the region you do meet many people, particularly in

countries like Egypt, there are sizeable cohorts of people who get

it. Young people, networked into the world. They know what

democratic freedoms look like. Think understand it, it is a hell

of a struggle, you can look at some of these places and say the glass

is half full. Tunisia and Libya have held successful election, they

face challenges of Islamisation. In Tunisia lawlessness and Libya. But

they are getting there. But this struggle could stilling very long

in some of these places. Thank you very much. We are going

to talk now about the broader question about what to expect what

will happen in the rest of the region? We have a number of guests

over here. Including the recent British ambassador in Cairo. Other

guest from earlier is also here as is the, what are you? The Coptic

bishop? I'm general bishop of the Coptic church in the UK. We are

joined from tort ront toe by a writer of Sex -- Toronto, writer of

Sex in the Citadel. Let's go to Toronto, can you tell us what you

think went wrong? With former President Morsi's Government, there

is so much happening, which bit went wrong. Nobody in the west

would seek to encourage a military coup in the normal course of events.

Why was it necessary in the view of the Egyptian military. The Muslim

Brotherhood had literally a once- in-a-lifetime opportunity, for 80

years it has been waiting to come to power. When it came to power it

made a spectacular mess of things, in terms of economic, all the

problems that Egypt has, in term of the inability to -- in terms of the

inability to provide on the streets for Egyptians. They failed. What is

most frustrating is former President Morsi appears to have

taken a leaf out of the PlayBook of former President Mubarak. Borrowing

many of the same tactic, yes I know he talks about being democratically

elected, when he declared himself Pharaoh until further notice at the

end of last year, when he tried ride roughshod over the parliament,

and threw journalists into prisons and tried to limit the laws that

limited civil society. These are undemocratic actions, no wonder he

has been playing the card of legitimate elections because he

threw all the other cards of democracy away. Former President

Morsi has forgotten that you cannot deal with the Egyptian people any

longer. You can't use the tactics of President Mubarak, because the

one thing that former President Mubarak had of fear on his side. He

had an apparatus to instill that fear. All that is gone. President

Morsi did not learn from that and he and his colleagues are paying

the price. The first democratically elected

President, this was an exciting event why did it go wrong?

Performance and distrust. Performance in that he didn't

deliver, they didn't deliver what the Egyptian people were looking

for, improvement to their lives. And distrust has just been pointed

out, at the end of last year. Putting himself above the law. In

one sentence he destroyed what the whole point of the revolution in

2011 was about. So I think those are two Cardinal ipept policy tegss

that were made. -- inept policy decisions that were made.

Ineptitude wasn't the Monday loply of the Government. Everybody in --

monopoly of the Government. Everyone was playing an inept game.

But they were unable to put together a coherent vision, and the

military issued an ultimatum and called time. Did you feel this was

an illegitimate Government? didn't think it was illegitimate.

There was a democratic election. won a majority? There was a small

presence there. Basically the President, the former President

came in with a 12% mandate. Only 50% of Egyptians eligible to vote,

only 50% went out to vote, only 50% barely voted of that was said to be

democratic. The problems that happened during that is there was

actually no attempt to bring the people together after allegations

about Muslim Brotherhood and even Christians, that after the last few

decades there was a culture of divide and conquer. Rather than

using it to bring people together to create a cohesive state and

national identity, there was a greater breakdown. So we find

towards the end now it was no longer even Christian-Muslim. It

was one agenda against everyone else. You have a look of mourning

on your face. I understand why. But do you accept that any of these

criticisms have any validity in them? First I don't accept he's a

former President, according to the Egyptian constitution he is the

President. An important point to make actually. Let's leave that to

one side? Some of the concerns are legitimate. The President since his

first day, he opened up for dialogue, he called for dialogue

over and over again. In January he called for a dialogue, over and

over again, for open dialogue. He offered the National Salvation

Front leaders positions, he offered them to lead the Government. He

offered primes position and President position to one of the

National Salvation Front leaders as well. He has been opening up. The

old position did not want that, and didn't want to put hand in hand

with the Muslim Brotherhood at the moment. I see the opposition at the

moment as fractured opposition, not even prep ynt I have of what's

happening on the streets. I do not see a future for Egypt after this

point to be honest. What is the wider implication for what happened

to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt for other similar organisations

throughout the region? I think it is not just a question I would

address to the Muslim Brotherhood. I think it is the political

leadership in all the countries. Particularly those who have gone

through the revolutions. We have seen and in Eastern Europe, in the

1990s and in other revolutions the political transition is going to be

bumpy, complex and not easy for those on the ground. And not easy

for outside Governments who have to deal with those countries. The

message is deliver improvement in people as lives, that is what they

wanted. Treat them with dignity, that is what the revolutions were

about. Include people into the future. Some countries are very

lucky and they have at that period in their transitions people with

the vision and charisma. Sadly those sorts of leaders are few and

probably, I can't think of them, in the Arab revolution countries.

So you have to, they have to count on something rather different,

which is delivering results, and making people feel that they are

part of the policy process. Let me put it very crudely to you, the

suggestion is being made already by some people that most of these

countries are in a word too unsophisticate, too primitive for

democracy? What do you think? Speaks as an Egyptian and

vehemently reject that. We are seeing the evolution on the ground.

There aren't that many people that went from decades of Cologneian

occupation, and then the military to a single democracy in a bound.

When your other guest says the opposition loader is fragmented and

disorganised. Over the past few years we have seen the coming

together of groups. They were chaotic after the 2011 uprising,

you look today at the ability to mobilise tens of millions on to the

strot. You look at the sophistication of the country, this

is a learning curve for everyone, this is the training ground of

demoingcy. We have taken Australian -- democracy, we have taken an un -

- un seen road with the Muslim Brotherhood but we are back out

inhead. Do you think your society will prakure with the demands of

democracy? I think that the Egyptian society was not ready for

a quick implementation of democracy, two factors were never resolved,

illiteracy and poverty. You have a society that is there, that wants

to move ahead. What we have seen in Tahrir Square over the past two

days, and the past month, it is not a society unable to live democracy.

It is a society that was never prepared for it. Even in the past

year nothing has been done for that as well. Ifer we are going to talk

about receipt -- we are going to talk about rhetoric, there has been

a lot of rhetoric over the past year and delivery. I must tell you

something for our brothers on the street for the Muslim Brotherhood.

I say that sincerely, I know what it means as a Christian in Egypt to

be marginalise, alienated, not to to be brought into a process, there

is that fear but that was never, ever addressed. What we want at the

moment is reconciliation on every front. When there is a call to

bring people together. We heard in the military statement today that

there was a small for all parties to come together months ago,

including the presidency. To try to avoid a day like today. Everyone

turned up but the presidency. There was an arrogance about the process,

that is what led us to today. Egypt fragmented and will not continue to

exist in this way. I have a strong fear that Egyptians, by their

nature are a wonderful loving people who want to work together.

They just need pragmatic and intentional leadership in that

direction. That wasn't there but hopefully it will be. What the

broader implications for the region as a whole, there was all the

exuburance for the car rab spring. It is not turning out as everybody

-- for the Arab spring. It was always going to be a difficult

transition, you don't come out of 40, 50 years of no political

expression into a fully-formed democratic structure. It was

utterly predictable in that sense. It is going to be bumpy. I contest

the that the region is not able for representative politics, democracy

whatever you want to call it. One thing you have seen in Cairo and we

saw it in 2011, and I have seen it in Libya is a passionate interest

amongst the people to be represented and to have their

voices heard. That to me is democracy pure and simple. Can I

add something to that, what we have seen on the street is so man people

from different walks of life with - - so many people with different

walks of life and agendas, if you give them a common goal and cause

they will stand together, that is the pragmatic leadership needed

right now. Nice to end on a positive note.

Certainly anyone who uses them knows which recreational drugs are

illegal in Britain. If you choose to use them you buy from a dealer

and you know you take a risk to enhance your sen sayings. Yet there

is an abundance of substances which you can go into a shop and buy

legal low and consumed for pleasure. It is assumed just because they are

not illegal they are not dang are you. They can be as plenty of

deaths testify. The plain fact is chemists can cook up new ways of

getting off your head, faster than the Government can regulate them.

Legal highs, designer drugs, new psychoactive substances. Call them

what you will, but these are drugs created for the sole purposes of

mimicking illegal substances. They are often brand-new, untested

chemicals that around UK law by simply claiming not to be for human

consumption. When it leave the shop it is up to

them. They are a free human being to do whatever they want with the

product. It is a huge experiment, essential low people are treating

themselves as guinea pig. You will try one and like it the first time,

90% of people. It is the aftermath, how many times it does ruin. How is

it that these strong untested new psychoactive substances, linked to

at least 40 deaths last year are so freely available. Is the Government

losing the fight against this booming industry. Jessica was

taking a lot of legal highs a couple of years ago of the she was

16 and buying them from a shop on her local high street. When you

first take them you think it is good because you never felt that

feeling before. You sort of experiment with your own body.

After a bit you sort of realise that you can't function right, you

can't do simple tasks like make a cup of juice. Your body just feels

drained and you want to go to sleep yet you are so awake. When I used

to take legal highs...Jessica Stopped taking legal highs after

getting fits of paranoia. A friend died after taking the band Meth

drone. I noticed on Facebook statuss he was very depressed and

down and I tried to speak to him. I lost confidence when I came out

through that scene. I had had found out he hung himself on come thank

he couldn't hack it on New Year's Day. This is one of 14 branches of

UK Skunk Works, a called head shops selling various smoking

paraphernalia. They sell potpourri and research chemicals. They are

labelled not for consumer consumption, it means they can be

sold openly but it means suppliers can't say to take them. It would be

nice it provide information if someone accidentally ingested the

product. It is an insane situation of having things on show and saying

they are research chemicals and everybody knows that. It is a 21

test century issue. The products are here, we are transparent, that

is what we do. We brought it to the high street to be the first to

regulate this industry. The top is transparent and we are transparent

with you. We can't be transparent with certain products because of

legislation. That is why. Which allows him to sell these products

as long as he isn't tell them as drugs.

These are the research bell lets, they are nicely packaged, it may be

harmful if inhaled and et. It has the chemical combound underneath.

Do you know what that is? The Internet means anyone with

access to a credit card can easily buy these drugs. I ordered some

line and they arrived in the promised discreet packaging the

next day. More time has been getting suppliers to speak openly

about the industry. Most didn't reply to my e-mail, one got in

touch and said they looked after 40% of the legal high market. It

creates many thousands to create a new legal high and manufactured on

an industrial scale in India and China and redistributed in the UK.

The owner of this station claims one million viewers, including --

there are adverts to buy untested legal highs, and people can report

dodgy vendors and look at doses. That is why Midas says his site is

doing more to reduce harm than Government hands? We bend on

substance. There you go, you can't sell that or recruit it. A new

substance comes, this substance has even less information available. It

might even be the sun stance is more harmful to people's lives that

it is a law that it is not working. The Government says its system is

constantly reviewed, but it can't second guess what might be harmful.

Where we have discovered there is a legal high harmful to human health

and there are recorded cases of people being admitted to hospital

or in really extreme cases, dying as a result of taking that product.

I think we have to intervene and legislate at that point. Whether

that means that somebody invented another product. We don't know.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. I don't think that is a reason to

turn a blind eye to the harm being done by the product that is being

put in front of us. We took some of the substances we

bought to beest ited by leading toxicologists. Given the head shop

we went to didn't know what was in Pink Pant they ares, we wondered if

the doctor had any idea., This is sold as a cocaine or speed copycat

drug. What do we know what is in there? It has meth probe mean. That

is similar to amphetamine. It is a very potent substance, it is known

as crystal meth. It is not controlled by the Misuse of Drugs

Act. But probably has a similar effect. So the people taking this

stuff, do we know anything about what effect it could be having on

their body? Nothing at all. They have not been tested as vugs. The

people who know most about it are the kids of those who bought it.

The assistance on the side of the packaging was accurate, there no

instructions about it is due. Dr Ramsey explained how the drugs are

developed to evade the law. They come about in two ways, people

looking at the information for research tools or evaluated as

pharmaceuticals or never been marketed. They look at a

fundamental chemical structure like methamphetamine to see if they can

bring it outside control. It this is how it might work, this is the

chemical structure of a synthetic cannabis structure called AM-20 81.

This is the active cannabis part that gets you high. If you keep

this part of the chemical structure deep and look out for other places,

you get PB22. It retains the active cannabis-like elements but

different from AFPB000. -- some Lord Chancellor local authorities

have tried to -- some local authorities have tried to sell the

psychoactive substances. Health officials have told us an

increasing number of people have ending up in hospital after taking

legal highs. The local council took this shop into court after a

teenager ended up in hospital after taking a sub gans called GoGaine.

What we want -- a substance called GoGaine. We need action. We have

had talks with people in the Home Office, we took a prosecution but

unfortunately the laws in this area are very complex and clearly there

is a gap in the legislation that enabled us to take a prosecution of

this kind. We failed because he put harmful on the product box, saying

this is "harmful" for human health.Le A mile away from the main

Glastonbury site is a giant cow shed by has been transformed into a

mobile Police Station. And Government testing laboratory.

Scientists here are trying to identify brand new psychoactive

substances, it is their job to warn their Government particularly toxic

new drugs. Whilst we are there, they came across something they

have never seen before. We have identified it as a slight

chemical MoT p modification on an already illegal drug. BZP, it was

the type of drug to mimic the effects of ecstacy. We have to run

more tests to determine the exact structure and to determine if it is

itself I I will lool. -- is illegal. The Government says

it is leading the international response to this bourguignoning

market by outlawing whole familiar -- burpblging market by outlawing

whole familiar swathes of things. It seems the Government remains

several steps behind. While we have been on air the

Foreign Office has issued a statement on Egypt saying the

situation is dangerous, and has called on all sides to show

restraint and avoid violence. Kirsty will be here tomorrow. Good

night. The rain returns to the west in the night. Heavy bursts to start

with across Scotland and northern England, patchy rain and drizzle

for Wales and the south west. A lot of mist and sea fog. Showers

pushing south and eastward, after the overnight rain showers in

Northern Ireland with brightness. The rain lighter across western

Scotland. Showery in nature. Some will stay dry, dry brighter

conditions returning with 18 or 19. Brightening up for northern England.

In the showers in the morning brighter morning expected. Sunny

spells in East Anglia, there is the chance of one or two showers around

during the second half of the day. Some close to Wimbledon, a very

small risk, most will stay dry. A dry afternoon across Wales and the

south west too. Considering you start the day, grey and misty with

fog around here. It does look much, much brighter. Now Thursday into

Friday, high pressure starts to build. You will notice on the city

forecast across the north. Cloud forecast across the north. Cloud

around but a lift in temperatures. The further south the bluer the

skies will be. Patchy cloud can't be ruled out here and there, but