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After the spectacular fall of democracy in Egypt, the military


began cracking down on the Muslim Brotherhood today. But if political


Islam has failed, what could take its place? This is the Egypt that


rejects the army's intervention, they have said they won't leave


this square, but they haven't yet spelt out a strategy for opposing


the new authorities. How should the west respond to the return of


military rule. We will speak to the former French Foreign Minister, and


George W Bush's close ally, Paul Wolfowitz. The Labour movement is


at war with itself over allegations of union malpractice. Tom Watson


resigns in the Shadow Cabinet, and the head of Unite union attacks the


party leadership. Is Labour imploding, I will speak to Angela


Eagle from Labour's front bench. The new research that suggests that


what we sometimes label the ups and downs of teenage behaviour could be


undiagnosed depression and suicidal tendencies. It gets to the point


where you are looking at sharp objects and thinking about the ways


you could kill yourself. That is when you realise that is not


hormones but something more serious, I don't think that is something


most teenagers would do. As the chef of the world Graham muscle


Bullfinch restaurant and avant- garde cuisine, I try to tempt him


with something I have knocked up! Egyptians woke up this morning in a


new regime, but not unknown. This coup represents a stunning defeat


for political Islam. The Muslim Brotherhood has been preparing for


power since they were created in the 1920s, and after less than a


year they have been kicked out by a popular uprising and the military.


Today the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood was arrested by the


security forces cracking down on the Islamist movement. We have


spoken to leading figures in the Muslim Brotherhood who vowed


resistance against the army, their first act of defiance has been to


call of a Friday of rejection following weekly prayers tomorrow.


We report from Cairo. Less than a day into the latest


victory of the popular will in Egypt you could see the despair on


the faces of the defeated. Muslim Brotherhood supporters thought they


too were children of the revolution. But the revolution has now devoured


them. At midday prayers today, where Morsi supporters gathered in


a Cairo suburb, the Imam issued a special prayer against those who


laid injustice on them. The reference to the army's ousting of


a democratically elected President was unmissable. This doctor has


brought me to this outpost of resistance. He has told his wife


and four children he doesn't know when he will be home again, because


the protest camp will stay here until it is forcibly removed. It is


never mentioned by the new army- controlled state media. They are


isolating us from the world so that you should let our voice go to the


world. Let them see that we are supporting Morsi, we are supporting


Egypt. We will fight for our freedom, even by sacrificing


ourselves. They have their faith, they believe, and democratic


legitimacy on their side. But beyond shouting, it is not clear


what they will do next. This is the Egypt that reject the armyer a


intervention -- army's intervention. They say they won't leave the


square, but they haven't spelt out a strategy for opposing the army.


One of the senior Muslim Brotherhood members who hasn't been


arrested was leaving the protests. Will there be strikes and


disobedience? TRANSLATION: Civil disobedience isn't started with one


decision, it is state that society reaches when it can't deal with the


regime. We are simply protesting and rejecting the new situation


peacefully, in many different ways. Where will the Muslim Brotherhood


go now? The movement founded in Egypt which spread throughout the


Middle East has been persecuted for much of its 85-year history. After


the 2011 revolution it seized the chance to work through electoral


politics. Will it now have to think again?


Yesterday's events raised profound questions, not only about whether


the Arab Spring can produce democracy, but also about whether


political Islam can ever be confident of coming to power


successfully through the ballot box. It worked in Tunisia, it worked in


Turkey, but here, Egypt, the heart of the Arab world, this is the test


case. Everyone knows there is a chance


now that some Islamists will turn to violence.


And you still believe the ballot box, you still believe in


elections? Of course. Of course. But let me say something, what the


army did to us may change the minds of other people. This is so


dangerous for everyone in Egypt. But we are sticking and we will


make people stick to the peaceful way, to give back -- get back our


democracy. The problem is that over so many


years, as a semi-clandes tin underground organisation, the --


semi-clandestine underground organisation, it has turned in on


itself, it didn't understand it was just about getting votes, but


building alliances in society. That is what they failed to do last year,


what lesson will they learn now? I was in their place I would be


receiving two difficult messages. The first message is that we have


done something wrong. And we need to be self-critical. We have failed


to question our own leaders. We have failed to understand how


democracy works. We have failed to understand how diverse and complex


and big Egypt is. Alternatively, the odds are against us and there


is no way we can really work within Egypt, within this democratic


system. Maybe time has come to revisit the question of violence.


Maybe now is the time to go back to violence.


Today the unelected head of the constitutional court was sworn in


as the new interim President. He promised the Brotherhood wouldn't


be excluded from political life. But he implied Morsi's rule had


been as bad as Mubarak's. TRANSLATION: We should stop


producing new dictators and not worship anyone except God, no idols,


fetishs or Presidents. Egypt's military, staging this fly-past


over Cairo, may not be worshipsed - - sworshipped, but they want to be


love. The thousands are cheering and staying on Tahrir Square until


the Road Map for elections is brought forward. Some who oppose


Morsi are even more worried by the authoritarian steps the army has


taken since yesterday. We are 2 hours into the intervention, we


have seen the closure of TV -- 24 hours into the intervention, we


have seen the closure of TV stations and a lot of arrests that


look like political I a -- arrested, aren't you having second thoughts,


it is not such a good idea? I don't think I would have seen it to be a


good idea in the first place. It seems to be coming back to the


Mubarak way of dealing with the Muslim Brotherhood, rounding up


their leaders, shutting down their media. Their newspaper was censored


today as well. This is not the way to deal with a party that was


democratically elected. For now, though, all the


Brotherhood can do is express their anger and try to protect themselves


in a country where no side seems to understand the meaning of the word


"inclusive". Here to discuss the dilemma is Egypt presents for other


Governments of the former US deputy Defence Secretary, Paul Wolfowitz,


and the former French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner. This


difficult question of democratic legitimacy. The Muslim Brotherhood


members were, they were elected by the ballot box, they have been set


aside by the military, you know, what is the chance that they will


turn to something other than the ballot box and perhaps return to


violence? Well it is very difficult to understand. To answer your


question now. I hope that the this will look better than the Arab


Spring. We don't know. I was listening to your words, is


democracy be able to set up overnight, over one year?


Impossible. But was it necessary for the people, very numberous


people, mill they came down into the street and more numerous than


they were -- millions they came down on to the street and more


numerous than the Muslim Brotherhood. Is it enough? I don't


think so, but is it better? I think it is better. Paul Wolfowitz you


were very much a supporter of democracy for the Middle East. Did


you think it would prove so difficult in Egypt that one year on


Morsi would be deposed? You know I think Egypt is suffering from the


death of civil society that was imposed by decade of dictatorial


rule. I'm not at all surprised it is difficult. Something that was


largely missing in the introduction, as I heard it, is this wasn't the


military acting spontaneously. This was the military acting in response


to some eight million people, not just in Cairo, but all over the


country, protesting against what they saw as both the incompetence


and the dictatorial character. Paul Wolfowitz, he was


democratically elected, he was democratically elected and there


are a lot more than eight million people in Egypt. Is that a


legitimate thing for the military to do simply because of protest?


I'm not saying it is legitimate, if you let me finish. These people


were protesting what they saw as an abuse of democratic power by the


Morsi Government and an inclination of going back to dictatorship,


elected dictatorship. That is not what they want either. No-one can


govern Egypt successfully unless they find a way to do it


inclusively. The military certainly can't. I would be surprised if the


military thinks they are capable of governing Egypt when these forces


are let loose. They better figure out very quickly how to step back


and build some kind of Government that enjoys broader legitimacy.


Either than Mubarak or than Morsi. On that question, do you think that


the Muslim Brotherhood has a role to play, or is it just that you


don't want them to play a dominant role. If in the ballot box next


time round they are elected to run the Government, is that


illegitimate, Paul Wolfowitz? think the Muslim Brotherhood has


got to be part of the process, I also believe that getting a 51%


majority in a democracy doesn't mean you can then go and do


whatever you want to do. Certainly that is not your view in England,


it is not our view in the United States, I don't believe it is the


view in Egypt. It is not completely clear why eight million people


turned out. But I certainly believe it was clear that they felt this


Government didn't share their priorities for the country. Bernard


Kouchner, what should the European powers do. This essentially was a


military coup, why will Europe not just call it what it was, a


military coup? Technically it was a military coup. But I remember when


during the first round and the second round, the Algerians decided


to suppress the second round because the first round was in


favour of the Islamists. Were they right? Were we right to support


that? I doubt it. Honestly I doubt it. We will see, because the


Egyptian soldiers, they promised us, they promised to the Egyptian


people to set up a sort of coming back to the ballots and elections


in a very short time. We will see. Secondly, they were in power, the


Egyptian soldiers were, with Mubarak and with Saddad, and in


power for 25 years, were they better? I doubt it. After we will


see. Paul Wolfowitz, the problem for America is if you call it a


military coup, you cannot, by the constitution, give Egypt military


aid, can you? Let Paul Wolfowitz answer. Give me one second, as the


problem for America, you cannot give Egypt military aid at this


time It depends on what you call this, that language was put in law


when you had the case in Latin America with the military stepping


in without popular backing and removing civilian Governments. I


don't know of the phenomenon. It is unprecedented to have eight million


civilians out in the streets peacefully demonstrating and then


the military steps in. If they try to keep control and keep power then


certainly it will be considered a coup. But I believe that the view


is, from the Obama administration to give them some time to see if


they are serious about the promise of restoring democracy. That is the


essential thing right now to move forward. Is a military state


preferable to a Government run by the mob? Well, we will see. But


there is no other way that what Paul said, of course you have to


wait. Certainly to help the people there. But not only to help the


military people, but to help the civilian people, to train them. I


mean, it was impossible. But remember Muslim Brotherhood is one


in four of the population, among the Egyptian population. One in


four people is part of the Muslim Brotherhood. They were the only


organised force. So we have to count with them. We cannot just


reject them because of this big demonstration. We have to teach


them, if it is possible, or they have to learn or invent a sort of


fraternity inbetween the citizens, we will see, we will see.


There has to be compromise going forward. Thank you very much both


of you. Old Labour politics, like a dinosaur waking up from a long


sleep have roared back to life in the selection process in Falkirk to


replace the present MP, Eric Joyce. Allegations of a union stitch-up


for the seat fell at Labour's deputy Tom Watson, who left the


post and Shadow Cabinet. After an internal inquiry, Karie Murphy, the


office manager and Unite's favoured candidate was suspended from the


Falkirk Labour Party by Ed Miliband, as was the constituency chairman.


The Conservatives have jumped on the controversy, their Party


Chairman claiming Ed Miliband is not in control of his party. This


At 463 words this was the longest of Tom Watson's three resignation


letters written in just seven years. Its length is perhaps apt. This


might be the biggest of any mess he has left behind. The Scottish seat


of Falkirk is the cause of this latest and possibly last Tom Watson


resignation. As Labour's general election co-ordinator, he had been


implicated in a nasty Fight about the union, Unite's role, in who


should be Labour's candidate here. This week the Tories used the


Falkirk row to ask the question who runs Labour? Ed Miliband other the


unions. With the general election co-ordinator for Labour walking out


with just two years to go to that general election, and this despite


Ed Miliband pleading with Tom Watson to stay, it looks like Ed


Miliband does run the Labour Party, it is just that at times today it


has not been a very firm grip. After the departure of Eric Joyce,


The Dark Knight union is accused of holding the selection for his


replacement in a very firm Europe that Unite packed its members on to


the local Labour Party list, to ensure their preferred candidate,


Karie Murphy, won it. Both because of Tom Watson's responsibility for


election candidates, and because candidate, Karie Murphy, was also


Tom Watson's office manager, he came under pressure. Trade unions


that support their members and the work place are an important part of


our society, but they can't bully and get their way within the Labour


Party. It seems what has happened in Falkirk is Unite have


overstepped the mark, they should remember that Ed Miliband runs the


Labour Party, not Unite. Labour HQ had taken action, they took control


of the selection process away from Falkirk. But Falkirk had already


become a fault line for the Labour Party. Behind the scenes Blairites


like Jim Murphy were overtly pitched back into battle against


the Brownites. His resignation and this line, referring to his


departure from Blair's Government, he makes the Blairite Brownite


This afternoon Falkirk Party Chairman, Stephen Deans, and Karie


Murphy were suspended. A bold move by the Labour leader. He also


suspended the scheme which allows unions, like Unite, to sign members


up to the Labour Party and pay fees on their behalf.


Waton and others from across the union movement want Labour's report


into Falkirk to be published. Many sources privately say that the


truth might not be as ugly. Len McCluskey, Unite's leader is


The Conservatives want to use this row to paint Ed Miliband as a man


thoroughly in the pockets of the unions. The Red Ed was his earlier


days as leader. The Labour Party want something completely different.


They want the row with The Dark Knight union to be so vivid and


technicolor that Ed Miliband clearly stands -- with Unite union


to be so vivid and in technicolor that Ed Miliband clearly stands as


separate from his backers. Tom Watson wrote a back about the


hacking scandal, and Labour now have to restore cleanliness and


credibility to their general election strategy if they are to


dial M for majority. Angela Eagle, a member of Ed


Miliband's Shadow Cabinet is here. An extraordinary attack by Len


McCluskey of Unite, it is a stitch- up, you are trying to smear Unite


and its members, incendiary language, is he right? Of course


not. This is, he's telling lies, this is not happening? Don't put


words in my mouth. The issue here is about what's been going on in


Falkirk which has led to the suspension of that process because


of irregularities with the membership. And we have been open


about all of that. We are now looking at it more closely. The


general election secretary and the leader of the Labour Party will


take action as a result of what's been going on in Falkirk. Let's be


quite clear. Unite, �8.5 million for the party. �115,000 for Ed


Miliband's campaign. You have had �14,000 for your constituency.


Unite has the whip hand. You can't afford to have a fight with Unite?


Of course they don't have the whip hand. They are an affiliated trade


union with the party. I have to say we support the trade union link in


the Labour Party. We're proud of our connection to millions of


ordinary working people up and down the country. Let's not mix things


up. But being proud of our trade union links doesn't mean that we


can tolerate what went on in Falkirk. What we have to do, what


the leader of the Labour Party has been doing today is demonstrating


that we have to ensure that our parliamentary selections are fair


and transparent with integrity, and we have to look after the Labour


Party's rules. And the integrity of the Labour Party rules. That is


what we are doing. You heard what Jim Murphy said there, he was in


turn attacked by Unite's Len McCluskey for saying it is not


worthy that the members of the Shadow Cabinet in initiating that


attack upon Unite, that is people like Jim Murphy. Do you agree with


what Jim Murphy said, we can't have the bullying stuff, unions


overstepping the mark and Unite overstepping the mark? We can't


have anyone, an affiliate or individual member of the Labour


Party disregarding the Labour Party rules when it comes to


parliamentary selections or anything else, it is for the leader


of the Labour Party who has taken firm and decisive action today to


protect the integrity of the Labour Party rules. Tom Watson said he


decided it was time for him to resign. But Newsnight has spoken to


Ed Miliband's office and Ed Miliband's office said they made


the call on Tom Watson, did he resign, or did Ed Miliband tell him


he had to go? My understanding is he talked to Ed Miliband earlier in


the week saying he wished to go. Ed told him he wanted to think about


it and not do something in the spur of the moment. Ed phoned him today


and they had the discussion and the letters were issued. So this, not


this is very important. It is about the leadership of the Labour Party


here. Funnily enough Tom Watson, you know, in his letter praised Ed


Miliband for being a bit like Buddha. But maybe he's just


meditating a bit too long isn't he. He doesn't seem to be able to make


up his mind? You can't have it both ways, one moment you are saying


he's not decisive enough and the next moment too decisive. Look he


has acted decisively and swiftly to deal with...We Don't actually


know...Kirsty Let me finish. He has acted decisively and swiftly to


deal with what is going on in Falkirk which is unacceptable and


protect the integrity of Labour Party selection proceed proceedings


and rules. If Len McCluskey -- procedures and rules. If cles cles


cles has the same duty to act to protect the ining at the -- Len


McCluskey has the same duty to act to protect the integrity of his


union's rules we have to protect our rules. It is clear there was a


conversation between Ed Miliband and Tom Watson about his resigning?


Earlier. Then there was another conversation, it doesn't sound like


Ed Miliband was making a decisive call over something that clearly he


thinks is a problem for the party in Falkirk? I think that if you


look at what happened with the suspension of the Falkirk selection


procedure, with the ending of the union join scheme and with the


suspension of the individuals who have been accused of malpractice


with respect to the union rules, that is decisive action. We have


seen that from our leader today. Len McCluskey, we asked him on the


programme and he wouldn't come on tonight. He's calling for another


inquiry, an independent one into what went on. Should he get that.


After all, he is your biggest backer? No, it is up to the leader


of the Labour Party, working with our General Secretary, to he d side


how we put our rules into effect. Len McCluskey can have an opinion,


but it is not his job to decide how to act. Today we have acted to


protect the integrity of our Labour Party rules. That is a clear


message to Len McCluskey, there will be no independent inquiry,


there are 41-backed Unite candidates in the Labour Party,


these are Unite candidates not Labour Party candidates? This is


ridiculous and I'm surprised to hear it coming from you. There are


many people who are members of the trade unions in the party, just


because one is a member of the trade union doesn't mean you are


some sort of automatic yum, I'm a member of -- automate tum, I'm a


member of the trait unions as as the party was created to look after


the interests of millions of working people up and down the


country, who are op proseed by the bad economic policies of this


Government. It keeps us in touch with reality and ordinary people.


We are proud of our trade union links. 20 years ago this year two


boys aged just ten were convicted of the murder of the toddler James


Bulger. It was shocking and disturbing. Jon Venables was


released from prison in 2001 aged 17 and given a new identity. Three


years later he was re-arrested and found guilty of distributing dozens


of child pornography on his computer. Two years ago he was


denied parole, today the parole board has decided he should be


released. James Bulger's mother and father believe this is the wrong


decision. We are joined from Liverpool by a solicitor. First of


all, what was the argument made by James Bulger's parents against the


granting of parole today? Well we had the opportunity to make a


statement to the Parole Board in May. One of the things of concern


was the fact that two years ago the Parole Board considered that Jon


Venables was not fit to be released, so what has changed. He was


convicted of a serious sex crime. He was unable to cope with life on


the outside, the support was not adequate. And he is undoubtedly a


potential danger to society. But more than that, there is a concern


that if he is released, as is indicated he will be released, we


have no idea on what basis, where he is going to live, how he is


going to be supervised. Innocent people have in the past been


mistaken for him and there is a fear that he, that some innocent


person will be injured or even killed. But is that an argument for


saying Jon Venables cannot be rehabilitated? The counter argument


is that the parole was turned down two years ago, the Parole Board now


feel there is sufficient ground to suggest that he can operate outside


within society. It would be more reassures to know on what basis


they have come to that conclusion. From the point of view of raffle


Bulger and his family, we haven't been -- Ralph Bulger and his family,


we haven't been told anything. Last time Jon Venables was released, I'm


right in saying you did have perameters, you did know something


of the circumstances of his release and what the boundaries would be.


Is it your understanding that would happen this time? My understanding


that under the Code of Practise for victims there is supposed to be


consultation on the conditions of parole, for example where the


offender is going to live. This time there has been no consultation,


we have been told nothing about the conditions of residence. Last time


Jon Venables was placed to Cheshire, adjacent to Merseyside, and


breaches those conditions on a number of occasions entering


Merseyside. We do not know where he will be placed. If which can -- if


we can turn briefly to Robert Thompson, what is your


understanding of his position? There is an injunction by which


nothing can be said about his where abouts, or his identity. But he is


on the outside. Assuming he is on the outside, we assume that he is


on the outside living a life in the community as a law-abiding citizen?


Well we know nothing. What we do know in the case of Jon Venables is


that the significant breach of his license conditions there were, and


some criminality. It was only when matters became so serious that the


authorities recalled him to custody. Do you think though that your


clients object to this now and have made their views clear to the


Parole Board, is that, do you think, a lifelong objection. That the


assumption, that the assumption you are making that Jon Venables, in


your clients' view will never be in a position to live on the outside?


I think one has to look at the practicalities of this. When Jon


Venables was released back into society, he was 17-18 years old.


And he was able to create a new identity and live that, live a new


life. Unfortunately unsuccessfully. He's now 30 and a lot of water has


passed under the bridge. He has had a corrupting episode in his life,


committing serious sex offences, and how easy is it for him to


create presumably another new idea toe and live a further life. So it


is a highly risky strategy. Thank you very much. Still to come:


We will be serving up an interview with Catalan chef, Ferran Adria.


The best days of your life, that is the cliche, but there seems to be


growing evidence that large numbers of young people are suffering from


mental health problems. Tomorrow a new charity, Mindful, launches an


on-line counselling support service for young people. The launch


coincides with a survey that suggests one child in five has


symptoms of depression, and almost a third have thought about or


attempted suicide before they were 16. In a moment we will hear from


the clinical psychologyist, Tanya Byron. Through young people tell us


first what it is like to suffer with mental health problems.


From a very young age I was always worrying, scared about things that


you shouldn't really be scared about. When I was aged 11 I had


what is known in the health service as a mental health crisis. I missed


months of school, I couldn't leave the house, I was fiefg five-to-six


panic attacks a day -- five-to-six panics attacks a day I was having.


It is a numbness in your hands and feet, shaking, not being able to


breathe, not being able to think about anything apart from what you


are worrying about. You can make up one morning and feel fine and then


later on that day have a pank attack and -- a panic attack, and


have no idea why. Your heart feels like it is going to burst out of


your chest and it is painful. When I'm having an intense period of


anxiety it can be as many as five and six attacks a day. It is,


shausing. I didn't want to put -- exhausting, I didn't want to put


pressure on my parents, I kept it to myself, I felt I had dealt with


it my whole life and I can deal with it a bit more.


When I was 14 I thought I might actually commit suicide. There is a


difference between considering the idea and then actually thinking,


how you would plan and how you would go about committing suicide.


You can't tell if something is hor moans -- hormones or mental illness.


I had that thought in my mind, is this normal. Then it gets to the


point of looking at sharp objects and thinking of how you would kill


yourself with it, you realise that is much more serious because I


don't think that is something most teenagers would do.


For me things started to change when I was around 14, 15, the


pressure of exams and GCSEs came. I wouldn't see my friend, I wouldn't


be as open, or speak to anyone. I would come back from school and sit


up in my room for hours upon end. Every day I would wake up and


headaches would be there, it was like a vice gripping my head, I


didn't want to get out of bed because they were so painful. Then


I found myself having nosebleeds two or three times a week, then my


hands started shaking. I thought I would die because I was looking at


the symptoms on Google and I convinced myself I had medical


problems. I thought I had a brain tumour, I didn't tell anyone for


weeks upon weeks, and eventually it all got a bit too much. I came home


from school early because I couldn't face the afternoon's


lessons, I just sat in my room and burst out crying of my parents were


going through a lot of things at the time, my mum's health wasn't


great. I saw them struggling and I didn't want to have to go and whack


another 10% on top of what they had. A lot of the way through primary


school I was bull and secondary school as well. That took a big


effect on the way I behaved, the way I interacted with people and


just generally how I felt about myself. I let it build up. To the


extent that I was having headaches, nosebleeds, panic attacks. I


wouldn't want to go outside, I would want to come home from school,


sit in my house, do what I do. On the weekends I wouldn't even want


to go shopping with my family. I think it is a massive problem. We


are not told it is OK to talk about mental health. That is the hardest


part when you are going through something like that, it is not


going through what you are going through but finding a way to stop


it and finding a way to talk about it. It is a big step that


youngsters of this generation are finding out that it is OK to talk


about problems. It is intervention when you are younger and stopping


your problems to stop them getting into something greater when you are


older. Most days I just stay in bed and listen to music, I don't go out,


I don't really socialise or do any work. I just either read or listen


to music, because the effect it has on your ability to work, to


consentrate, to focus, to persevere is enormous.


I get really infuriated when people say just get yourself together,


because I don't think they realise quite how serious it is, and quite


how difficult it is to pick yourself up from that. You can't do


it by yourself. You need help. you want more information or help


go to the website. With me now is the child and


addless sant clinical psyche -- adolescent psychologist, Tanya


Byron. What your Mindful survey suggests is we are failing to Mick


up on a lot of mental health issues amongst teenagers? I want to start


by saying this is about prevention, not increasing numbers or


medicalising children. This is about getting in early to offer


support to children before they develop problems that become


chronic. I work in child mental health service, I and my colleagues


know we get children that have a level of impact that is so much


bigger, cuts in services to child and young adult mental health


services the cuts mean that as LSE told us in their latest survey that


three-quarters of children that need mental health services aren't


getting it. One of the arguments is being a young adult is tough, and


there is a lot of external forces going on, there is the social


context, what is happening in the school, but actually they have a


huge impact on how a child feels. We have just heard with bullying,


it is not always the child has a mental health issue, it is that the


circumstances are such that lead to real anxieties and really problems?


Exactly, I couldn't have put it better myself. This is why Mindfull


is such a brilliant charity, I'm proud to be the President. We want


to take peer mentoring into schools, we train children and young people


to offer support and advice to other children and young people who


are struggling with sometimes the everyday difficult realities of


tkwroing up, of the transition into adulthood. By getting in early we


are preventing it in the population but adult mental health problems.


Is there an issue that you perhaps label teenagers with particular


issues, and particular problems that are almost a self-fulfiling


prophesy. I don't mean that generally but in individual cases?


That is precisely what we are trying to stop happening. We don't


want these children to become so chronic that they will be labelled


and get a diagnosis. If you have a peer mental support system, young


people who can support each other and can offer resources and on-line


counselling, we can stop situations developing into full-blown mental


health problems. When you see peer mentoring, this will require huge


resores, you say the wait -- resource, you say the waiting lists


are huge, huge resors for every child that needs it, consistent and


reliable help. Because the danger is that you can't do everything


that, sometimes in itself can cause more damage? We are not doing


enough. We are looking at how to enable young people using social


media, who say in very clearly in tonnes of research that peer


mentoring and social media support is what young people value. Face-


to-face consultation is very threatening, on-line therapy is a


good way to start for people. line they werey has to be


consistent and reliable. The danger with on-line therapy that you end


up making a diagnosis on-line? are supported by Cabinet Office and


a number of third sector agencies, we have a huge amount of resourcing,


our therapists are trained therapists and counsellors, we do


everything not to diagnose children but to enable them and empower them


to manage their own mental health safely. In a world of celebrity


chefs, he's a stand-out star with three michelin stars next to his


name, a testament to his hard work, stant talent and originalty. His


restaurant El Bulli was voted best restaurant five times. He's the


first chef to have an exhibition at Somerset House in London, dedicated


to his life and work. It opens tomorrow but today he gave me an


exclusive television interview. Very few of us will have


experienced El Bulli, but at Somerset House the story of the


restaurant and the chef that brought it into being is laid out,


course by course, from liquid nitrogen to the foam and the shabby


chairs from the restaurant itself. The deck cor not changed in 40


years. Is -- -- decor not changed in 40 years. Is it about art or


cooking? I cook.TRANSLATION: Cooking is cooking, it is true


there is a type of cuisine that as an experience can be. T yi, pico?


TRANSLATION: No an avant-garde cuisine, similar to painting and


music. El Bulli was avant-garde. Are you flattered that people use


some of the things that you used, lick gid nitrogen, all sorts of --


liquid nitroagain, all sorts of things. You were the lead -- knit


tro again, all sorts of things, you were the leader? We, but what we


were leaders in was thinking. What we did was not about the lick gid


nitrogen, but we opened thousands of -- liquid nitrogen, but we


opened thousands of people's minds to different things. How important


was the atmosphere and Catalan to what you do? What Catalan for me is


the feeling, the sea, the sun, Barcelona. That is what is


important. The produce is not important, products are global, the


tomatoes from the Americas, it is the feeling. Take shoe shi, I --


sushi, I can make sushi, but the feeling about it would always be


Catalan. How much do you feel the economic problems of Spain. How


much does it effect you? TRANSLATION: It is a problem of the


system, not a problem of the people. The people are wonderful: Spanish


youth are trying, the system has failed. But this has not only


happened in Spain, Spain is the apex of the problem. Unfortunately,


if things don't change elsewhere we are going to see the same thing in


other countries. But now, El Bulli will change to be something


different. Is that because you want to pass things on, is that because


you want young chefs to follow, men and women, to build a tradition


like yours? The foundation is freedom. TRANSLATION:We want to


help cusine to continue evolving, we want to make people think and


reflect about creativity. At the restaurant we are developing


creativity using cusine as a language. If there is one


ingredient that you like to eat, what is it? TRANSLATION: Salt! It


is the most important ingredient in the world. It is the only product


that changes a dish, it totally changes the dish. Without salt the


dish is something else. Caviar is fantastic, lobster, the truffle,


but nothing major happens if there is no truffle, salt changes a dish.


Salt, thank goodness then that in the fresh tomato sauce I have


prepared for Ferran Adria there was some very special salt.


(speaks in Spanish) Perfecto. That's funny. Fantastico.Tomorrow


We leave you with a classic track from the Nolan sisters following


the news today that Bernie Nolan has died, she was aged 52.


# I can't stop dancing # So move your feet babe


# Because honey when I get up # I go to you


# I'm in the mood # For dancing


# Romaning # You know I shan't ever stop


tonight # I'm in the mood


High summer is arriving, and with it some fairly high temperatures


over the next few days. A God day in prospect for most of the -- a


good day in prospect for most of England and Wales. Any showers will


fade away. By the afternoon most of us will be dry, some sunshine


across the east of Northern Ireland, that will do bonders for the


temperatures, cloudier across the west and Scotland. More eastern


areas seeing the lion's share of the sunshine. Temperatures at 4.00


pm, and for a God part the afternoon low-to-mid-20s.


Strong sunshine. Be aware. Around the coastal fringe cooler with the


breeze coming off the sea. Mist from the coast of east Kent and


Sussex. Across the south west of England. Although there may be


broken cloud at times we should see sunshine. Inland temperatures


should get up into the mid-20s in quit a few locations. A sunny end


to the week, the weekend is shaping up well too. Across northern areas


on Saturday a weather front pushing in across Northern Ireland and


Scotland. Some showery rain here, although it should clear through by


Sunday. Further south across the UK we are set fair with a lot of


sunshine and temperatures will be on the rise day by day. So this is


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