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It is a boy! The great Kate wait is over, the royal baby was born late | :00:14. | :00:21. | |
this afternoon at a hospital in central London. The babies whose | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
birth was proclaimed in traditional fashion at the palace is third in | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
line to the throne. It may be a very long time before he becomes | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
king. We will discuss with historians and writers what the | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
secret will be of the monarchy's enduring popularity. David | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
Cameron's on-line porn crackdown may be getting good headlines, but | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
is it plausible, will the Government find it possible to | :00:41. | :00:46. | |
control the Internet? The police minister Damien Green will tell us. | :00:46. | :00:51. | |
The indie musician, Amanda Palmer, on how tabloid coverage of her | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
wardrobe malfunction led her to take on the Daily Mail. | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
# Dear Daily Mail, you still haven't answered my better | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
# But tonight I'm being interviewed on Newsnight | :01:03. | :01:12. | |
# And I think that's even better! Alaska the last frontier where the | :01:12. | :01:17. | |
ice is getting thinner, we have a special report on the implications | :01:17. | :01:27. | |
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of climate change. Good evening, mother and baby, Royal Mother and | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
Royal Baby doing well. The boy, third in line to the throne, was | :01:30. | :01:40. | |
born just over six hours ago at 4.24pm. Weighing 8lbs and 6oz. | :01:40. | :01:46. | |
Given the longevity of the House of Windsor it may be 60 years before | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
he becomes kings. It brings a resurgence of an institution that | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
has survived the difficulties of the 1990s and is nowadays | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
overwhelmingly popular according to opinion polls. We will discuss this | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
extraordinary alchemy in a few moments, first we have this. | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
The third in line to the throne arrived at 4.24pm. The news came | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
four hours later on the easal that had announced Prince William's | :02:11. | :02:18. | |
birth. In a statement the Duke of Cambridge said the couple couldn't | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
be happier, and it turned out neither could the rest of us. | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
an important moment in the life of our nation, but I suppose above all | :02:27. | :02:33. | |
it is a wonderful moment for a warm and loving couple who have got a | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
brand-new baby boy. The official announcement will have come as a | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
relief to St Mary's Hospital, which has put up with the "Kate wait" | :02:42. | :02:48. | |
camp on its doorstep for the last three weeks. For centuries the | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
practice was packed with people bearing witness to the royal birth. | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
The Home Secretary was in the room until 1948. Today the appetite is | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
still there to be there for the birth. It is just that it is taking | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
place on the other side of the wall. With no actual facts to report for | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
most of the day journalists took to interviewing each other. Newsnight | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
was no exception. How many of these sorts of things have you covered, | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
how many royal events? Quite a few. Have you covered a birth before? | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
Yes. Have you ever known it like this? No because that was in the | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
day of film, the days of modern technology everybody can come along | :03:26. | :03:34. | |
and do this. And just immediate access worldwide access. Today if | :03:34. | :03:40. | |
the royal baby is born, we are making breaking news. Why do you | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
think it is such a big story in Japan? I think Japanese people | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
really love the Royal Family. Because it shows the history of | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
your country. There is a crisis with our monarchy so Spanish people | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
don't like the Spanish monarchy a lot, they prefer to look at other | :03:59. | :04:07. | |
monkeys, for example the British Monday -- other Monarchies, for | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
example the British Monarchy. monarchy is bigger than your | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
monarchy, why? Your monarchy is the biggest Monarchy in the world. When | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
we think about the Monarchy in Europe we think about the British | :04:21. | :04:29. | |
one. Your one is real, the others are a copy. What a difference two | :04:29. | :04:37. | |
decades make. It has turned out to be an annus horribilus. In 1992 the | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
Windsors were hardly role model material. It was the year that | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
Princess Diana signalled the marriage to Prince Charles was over, | :04:45. | :04:51. | |
by sitting alone at the monument to love. Windsor Castle almost burnt | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
down, and five years later when Princess Diana died the Queen lost | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
public support by appearing cold and aloof. Now the monarchy isn't | :05:00. | :05:07. | |
kus in calmer waters, it can even a-- just in calmer waters, it can | :05:07. | :05:14. | |
even afford to laugh at itself. Good evening Mr Bond. Good evening | :05:14. | :05:20. | |
your majesty. The Royal Family is still around because it has been | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
very successful at its first and only function which is to reproduce | :05:25. | :05:30. | |
and to carry on. It has also survived the only serious attempt | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
to do away with it in the 17th century. In Britain we don't | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
particularly like the huge moments of constitutional reconstruction or | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
change. So if the Royal Family is there, it is not doing anyone too | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
much harm. It provides marvellous days like today or the Jubilee, | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
where we can all have a little bit of a party. So why do away with it. | :05:51. | :06:01. | |
It is actually managing to harness that combination of love, an inate | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
conservatism and huge apathy that exists in this country. The Royal | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
Family is not the only institution in Britain to be weakened in recent | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
years, parliament, the church, our newspapers, and of course the BBC, | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
have lost support. But perhaps the royals are the only ones to have | :06:15. | :06:24. | |
come back stronger. With me now are the chief curator of the historic | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
royal palaces, who is new documentary Secrets of the Royal | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
Bed Chamber will be known on BBC Four, we have a Republican, and the | :06:33. | :06:38. | |
author of The Great Survivors, how the monarchy made it into the 20th | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
century. And Michael Wolf, contributing editor to Vanity Fair. | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
Give us a sense of what you think this moment means for you and | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
Britain? Well it is not a game- changer, a girl would have been | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
more constitutionally and historically significant. It is a | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
very important moment of history in an important institution. It is | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
another plank supporting them. think it is a hereditary monarchy, | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
the most important thing they have to do is reproduce, they have to | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
produce an heir, that has happened today. I agree it would have been | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
constitutionally a lot more interesting had it been a girl | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
because the rules had been changed to make sure she would succeed to | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
the throne. Still great, we should celebrate. I think in a country | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
where equality is one of our core values and enshrined in our laws | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
and international treaties and we have an Equality and Human Rights | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
Commission, it is very weird to have this institution which is | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
based on privilege and inherited privilege. I think, I'm sure the | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
parents are very pleased about having this child, it is bad news | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
for the institution. Because it means for the rest of the 21st | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
century, unless something unexpected happens, we will not | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
have any head of state who is anything other than a white man. | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
Because there will be another 60 or 70 years? Or more, given the | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
longevity of this family, we might have 30 years of Charles, 30 years | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
of William and then this child. a republican you regret we are not | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
having a girl? From my point of view it is a very good thing, I | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
think a lot of institutions are under pressure because they haven't | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
actually allowed women to assume a full role, now we are going to have | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
an institution, a head of state, which absolutely excludes women for | :08:15. | :08:22. | |
the whole of the century. I just wondered in New York how you see it | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
from there. Why are so many American media over here going | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
nuts? It is really quite extraordinary. If you think about | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
it, you could go out on the street and nobody would know who David | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
Cameron is. But out on the street now everyone is basically | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
celebrating this birth. So if you are a professional cynic you would | :08:44. | :08:51. | |
go, hmmm, go figure this. But I think it is, well, you know, I | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
think that the Monarchy in addition to reproducing, the thing they have | :08:56. | :09:05. | |
to do is stage incredible media events. This one seems successful. | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
I heard a correspondent from CBS tonight saying you put them on the | :09:09. | :09:15. | |
cover, you sell more magazines, is that partly what it is about? | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
do sell more magazines. There is what we have combined here are the | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
two things that Americans and especially American women love most | :09:24. | :09:32. | |
which is a celebrity child and royalty, British royalty at that. | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
Do you worry Lucy that this is what known about us abroad. As Michael | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
said, they don't know who David Cameron is but they know who Kate | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
and William are, they are superstars? My point of view this | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
is brilliant, these Americans are the tourists coming to London and | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
contributing �26 billion to the British economy, that money, from | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
my point of view, is going into the conservation of historic buildings | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
and helping people to learn about history. I'm not worried about that. | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
If you don't like the institution, but do you accept that as a fact, | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
people come here and love Britain as part of the Royal Family? There | :10:05. | :10:11. | |
is not a shred of evidence on that, Republic did a Freedom of | :10:11. | :10:13. | |
Information Act to visit Britain and asked for the evidence royal | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
events bring in tourists. There is no evidence whatsoever. I was down | :10:18. | :10:23. | |
at Buckingham Palace, there were only a few people there until 8.00. | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
The media kept saying the masses are gathering and I couldn't see | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
them. If Buckingham Palace was a museum and open to the public all | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
the time, that would be terrific. In terms of museum there were those | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
in the 1990s that thought the Royal Family would become museum pieces, | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
after Diana's death, and a couple of years before that, there were | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
various things that caused public image problems. How did they manage | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
to rebuild, when so many British institutions, we heard it in the | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
piece before that the BBC, the Catholic Church, the National | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
Health Service, the Police, they have all been under the hammer, but | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
the Royal Family is more popular now than perhaps ever? They | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
obviously went through a very, very difficult period during the 1990s, | :11:05. | :11:11. | |
basically due largely to the various martial break-ups. Most | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
obviously Diana and Charles and Diana's death. One could say the | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
outpouring of grief that surrounded and followed Diana's death showed | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
that in fact the monarchy was in a good position in that people did | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
care. People cared passionately about it. I think it is just a | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
sense, it is the passage of time, these things get healed. These | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
problems heal, people have gradually come to accept Camilla. | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
One sees her poll ratings have gone up. The other divorces we had no- | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
one really cares about them. happened before. You have written | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
about the 1930s, the abdication for Victoria. She disappears off the | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
scene in the 1870s through grief. There is a strong Republican | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
Government, it is a pattern of long regin and they have issues and then | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
come back, simply having survived. They have terrific resources to put | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
into PR. If someone wants to give me �10 million to organise a | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
festival of republicanism and democracy in this country I'm sure | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
I could do it. I will come to you in a second. It is more than just | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
PR, it is the sense that many people feel of continuity, nobody | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
wants a President Blair or President Thatcher, they like the | :12:26. | :12:34. | |
things work, even if they can find difficulty in rationalising. | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
President Blair is a red herring, you have to be popular to win | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
elections, as Blair is the most unpopular person in Britain he's | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
unlikely to get far or stand. The most important point is they are an | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
institution unto which we don't know very much about it. That is | :12:50. | :12:55. | |
part of the selling point? Queen has become a kind of | :12:55. | :12:57. | |
matriarchal mother of the nation figure, everything will change when | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
Charles, a man whose letters to ministers are so intemperate that | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
we can't see them because we find out his political views. You wanted | :13:06. | :13:14. | |
to come in You shouldn't downplay the crisis aspect of this monarchy, | :13:14. | :13:20. | |
they provided an enormous amount of drama. The newspapers and magazines | :13:20. | :13:26. | |
that were sold during the 1980s and 1990s largly because of Diana are, | :13:26. | :13:34. | |
actually the business went into the doldrums after Diana died. I think | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
that this monarchy not only produces children but continually | :13:38. | :13:43. | |
produces some kind of drama. But do you think, I'm thinking in terms of | :13:43. | :13:49. | |
the Americans see us, do you see us as pretty much heritage Britain | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
with the Royal Family at the core of it, rather than 21st century | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
Britain who would like to build high-speed trains and do modern | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
things? I can't think of a time that Britain has been less | :14:01. | :14:07. | |
interesting to the US than now. You know I think that's probably for a | :14:07. | :14:15. | |
full variety of reasons. Economically, the economics among | :14:15. | :14:22. | |
them. Nevertheless, as I said, this monarchy thing is you can feel it | :14:22. | :14:32. | |
in the street today. You are you are familiar with previous royal | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
scandals, is there anything different. We have continuity of | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
that as well as the other bits? What the House of wind dor seem to | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
have, numerous members, this is very important, they have | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
discipline as well, so with the Hanoverians there is different | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
heirs available, but they were fighting against each other. It | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
seems we see the long shadow of George V here, a man setting up | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
systems on one hand to us they look cold and ruthless, but on the other | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
hand they have been very successful. You know despite it all I think you | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
would agree there is a sort of self-sacrificing dutiful aura to | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
the senior members in the House of Windsor. I think if I were to | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
announce here tonight that no woman, no black person, no Asian, probably | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
no gay person can be head of state and represent this country in the | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
world for the next century, people would say what on earth is wrong | :15:23. | :15:29. | |
with this country. Even if you are right, in 06 years time when this | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
baby -- 60 years time when this baby is perhaps the age when he | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
becomes king there will still be a monarchy in Britain? I'm not sure | :15:40. | :15:46. | |
it will be here. Why not pick another baby tonight and say he or | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
she will become her reddity Prime Minister when this baby ascends to | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
the throne, it is that silly. you confident in the Royal Family's | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
ability to reinvent itself and continue? I think so, I don't see | :15:57. | :16:02. | |
any reason why it shouldn't. They have done so far. If it were a | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
question of a sort of gradual long- term reduction in popularity then | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
one would say they have another 50 years or 60 years or whatever. But | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
they do keep bouncing back. If you were to look at a graph of | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
popularity over the years, it does follow a cycle. There is a natural | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
life cycle to it. There are ages when potentially they become more | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
troublesome, perhaps where marriages start to fall apart or | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
whatever. They enter this later phase when they become veinerable, | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
elderly institutions in their own right. It will still be one of the | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
great paradoxs of our times that this great Republic you are sitting | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
in right now is full of millions of people who love what goes on in a | :16:43. | :16:51. | |
British Royal Family? Absolutely. And for one I'm always surprised by | :16:51. | :17:00. | |
this. I for one amalso enamoured by the Royal Family. We have 30 | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
seconds less, what should they call him? He will have a whole load of | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
names and make up his own mind in due course, that is a sensible way | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
of doing it. Dodging the question. What about George, that seems to be | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
one of the more popular names? is not very imaginative, but I | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
think it would do wouldn't it? Imaginative is perhaps not the core | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
value they are looking for. Joan I hesitate to ask you what they | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
should call the baby? I couldn't careless, I'm more interested in | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
Syria, frankly. Michael do you have a view? I think they should call it | :17:33. | :17:41. | |
Michael! On that happy note we will leave it, thank you very much. | :17:41. | :17:47. | |
In a moment. # Dear Daily mail # You still haven't answered my | :17:47. | :17:53. | |
letter # But now I am being interviewed on | :17:53. | :18:00. | |
Newsnight # I think that's even better! | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
there was widespread praise today for the stated aim of the Prime | :18:04. | :18:10. | |
Minister to protect children from what he called "pos sonous | :18:10. | :18:17. | |
websites" where they can access porn. There were doubts about | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
whether the suggested methods would do the job. It includes family- | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
friendly filters to block porn websites, making the possession of | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
pornography with violent rape scenes illegal, and telling | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
companies like Google they have until October to figure out how to | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
block searches based on certain phrases. | :18:38. | :18:44. | |
At the heart of this debate is a question, "whose responsibility is | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
it to police the Internet"? To stop both the illegal but also what some | :18:49. | :18:55. | |
consider the distasteful being watched and consumed. In a speech | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
to a children's charity today the Prime Minister said anyone signing | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
up to a new broadband account will see a family-friendly version of | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
the internet and unless they click a box and make a decision to turn | :19:07. | :19:14. | |
that filter off. Over a third of children have received a sexual | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
low- explicit text or e-mail. In a recent survey said a quarter of | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
children had seen pornography that had upset them. It is happening and | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
it is happening on our watch as adults. The effect it can have can | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
be devastating. Effectively are children are growing up too fast. | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
The technical details of this are important, under Government plans | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
the adult who pays the broadband bill will have to untick a box if | :19:40. | :19:46. | |
they want to see websites featuring adult material, from porn to | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
violence, self-harm and suicide. Blocked sites would then be | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
filtered out by the broadband company itself. All devices which | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
use the home's Wi-Fi network should be stopped from accessing those | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
pages. The UK's biggest internet service providers, or ISPs have | :20:02. | :20:08. | |
signed up. Meaning 95% of homes in the UK should be covered. New | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
broadband customers will be the first to have to make this choice, | :20:10. | :20:17. | |
though the idea will then be extended to all existing users. On | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
the whole ISPs have been cautious about a system like this. Partly | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
because they say it encourages parents to be complacent. Today | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
critics of the plan say it is already out of date and easily | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
bypassed by any tech-savvy teenager. What the Government has announced | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
today is a pious hope that technology will fix a social | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
problem. And that technology will not fix that problem because the | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
sort of filters which they are proposing to have deployed are | :20:46. | :20:51. | |
relatively easy for people to evade. Children stpiend it extremely easy | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
already to get on to -- find it extremely easy already to get on to | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
Facebook at school, and they will find it just as easy to get on to | :21:00. | :21:08. | |
porn sites on computer at home. Last week the Prime Minister met | :21:08. | :21:15. | |
the families of Tia Sharpe and April Jones whose killers watched | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
child sexual images. Today he said he would make it against the law to | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
own pornography depicting rape, and blocking searches for what is | :21:24. | :21:31. | |
likely to be illegal material. have a message for Google, Bing | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
Yahoo and the rest, you have a duty to do this and it is a moral duty. | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
That message was well received for groups campaigning against sexual | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
violence, but the Internet is constantly changing, many question | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
whether it will be ever possible to really control what anyone watches | :21:46. | :21:54. | |
on-line. The Policing Minister is here. Many, many people, including | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
the pop position have said we like the aim of it -- including the | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
opposition have said we like the aim of it trying to do something | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
about particularly children having access to pornography. They think | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
the details are a bit woolly. Isn't the parents' responsibility to sort | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
out whether there is a filter or not on their computer? It is, this | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
makes it easier for them to do it. They could do it? A lot of people | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
don't know how to. What the Internet providers can do is make | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
it really easy. When you get a new system at home, you will have a box | :22:26. | :22:32. | |
that says if you just carry on then you will have the filters on, so | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
you have to take a conscious decision, which as an adult you can | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
do, saying you don't want filters on. If you have children you don't | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
want to see it you tick the right button. This is a false sense of | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
security, as a parent I have ticked that box, job done I can forget | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
about it, the kid can either get round it or get the stuff from | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
school or friends and even see some pretty nasty Stuff in the news | :22:56. | :23:02. | |
agent. Its not a panacea? The news agent is an interesting analogy, | :23:02. | :23:08. | |
they used to call them top-shelf magazines to some children buying | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
them. As technology what we try to protect children from is still the | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
same. The way we do it needs to change. That is what today's raft | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
of measures is about. A false sense of security may be right if you as | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
a parent think all I do is tick this box and then my child at home | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
will be protected? At the moment you don't have that option and your | :23:26. | :23:32. | |
child may well not be protected and many parents who are indeed more | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
ignorant about the Internet than their children have absolutely no | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
protection. There is no single magic bullet that will solve all of | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
this. What you have to do is for parents and Governments and | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
internet service providers and search engines all to accept some | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
responsibility here. When it comes to images of children being abused, | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
those unanimous support, something has to be done. The question is | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
whether this something is the right something. Google put it today that | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
they have a "zero tolerance" to child sex abuse imagery, whenever | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
they discover it they respond quickly to remove and report it. | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
What more do they have to do that they are not doing already? They | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
are talking about imagery. What the Prime Minister is talking about are | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
search terms that we know the search terms that people use. Some | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
of which are particularly violent and not to be said on television. | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
You get round that by changing the terms? In which case regulators, | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
the police operations like CEOP will be able to follow this, they | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
will be able to change the terms which will provide a nil return, | :24:36. | :24:42. | |
you won't get images. The former head of CEOP said there are 50,000 | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
predators downloading images from peer-to-peer, passing them between | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
themselves, only 192 were arrested last year, that is simply not good | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
enough. I assume you agree with that it is not good enough? One of | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
the things CEOP will be concentrating on now is very much | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
the hardcore, those using peer-to- peer, they will be habitual users | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
of child abuse images, and CEOP can concentrate on that. At the same | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
time, you have to do other things at the start of the process of | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
people for the first time thinking shall I look at these images? | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
That's what innovations like these pages that warn you off when you | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
try to do this. There are ways around it, people are cunning when | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
they use that, otherwise there wouldn't be peer-to-peer traffic | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
and using different ISPs and using American or other identities to get | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
round the system can't you? You can try, we have never stamped out | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
burglary or murder, that doesn't mean you shouldn't pass laws | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
against crimes. We all agree child abuse is a particularly vile crime. | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
There is enforcement, that was the point, you have to get these people | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
nailed, it is not simply about making sure certain words are | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
difficult to find on the internet? That is part of it, it stops people | :25:56. | :26:01. | |
going on a journey that may end up with them using peer-to-peer | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
sharing of vile images. At CEOP it needs better international | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
connections, that is why we are making it part of the National | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
Crime Agency. It is going to set up a national image database to make | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
it easier for all police forces to know what the images are that | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
reveal the predators. There is one other area of this that the Prime | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
Minister touched on today which is extreme pornography, making the | :26:25. | :26:31. | |
possession of simulated rape, violent simulated rape illegal. Now | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
this may be very distasteful, why if people want to engage and film | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
that kind of stuff for themselves, why should that become illegal? | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
is particularly for children, it is the problem, it is almost always | :26:44. | :26:50. | |
young boys accessing it, it is just warping their view of sexuality. | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
There is nothing new in having that particular type of pornography | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
illegal, it is already illegal in Scotland. What we want to do is | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
replicate in England and Wales what already happens in Scotland. That | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
is the sort of stuff that even in fairly mainstream but tough films | :27:04. | :27:10. | |
you can see that kind of, Straw Dogs in 1971 caused a real furore | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
over that, you can see it? Anything that has a film classification | :27:13. | :27:20. | |
wouldn't be covered by this, that's not aimed at if you like the | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
pornography market. That is a film. If the British Board of Film | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
Classification gives it a certificate, it is not covered by | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
these rules. Just to be clear, people filming themselves, if they | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
get some pleasure, adults filming themselves for their own use, that | :27:33. | :27:38. | |
could be covered by this? If they put it on-line so that 12-year-old | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
boys can look at it, then that's what we want to stop. One final | :27:43. | :27:53. | |
:27:53. | :28:00. | ||
point, there is a quote from Index and Sensor yp, is saying that | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
things for people with questions about sexuality might be covered by | :28:04. | :28:10. | |
this? If you type in "child sex" it can come up with a question saying | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
"are you talking about child sex education" if you are, it will give | :28:14. | :28:18. | |
you a list of sites about child sex education that will not be showing | :28:18. | :28:24. | |
child abuse images. There are ways to device filters to ask you | :28:24. | :28:29. | |
questions if you are legitimately searching you can carry on. | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
Imagine if you can that you are on the stage at the world's leading | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
rock festival, Glastonbury, when you have what the tabloid's call a | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
wardrobe malfunction. Then a very popular newspaper on-line website | :28:41. | :28:47. | |
said you made a bit of a boob on yourself. Publishing a picture so | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
that everyone understands the boob you have in mind. What do you do? | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
If you are the singer-songwriter Amanda Palmer, whose performances | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
often involve nudity, you are bemused and essentially write a | :29:00. | :29:06. | |
song in reply. # Dear Daily Mail | :29:06. | :29:12. | |
# There is a search engine music # If you googled my tits | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
# You would have found my boobs # Were hardly exclusive. It is the | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
world's most visited website they say, but is the web machine dealing | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
with something new here. They couldn't see the exchange that was | :29:25. | :29:30. | |
happening between me and my crowd, an exchange fair to us but alien to | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
them. Celebrity is about a lot of people loving you from a distance. | :29:35. | :29:40. | |
But the Internet and the content that we are freely able to share on | :29:40. | :29:46. | |
it are taking us back, it is about a few people loving you up close | :29:46. | :29:52. | |
and about those people being enough. I met Amanda Palmer earlier today | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
to hear her views on how she had made the news. The first thing I | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
thought was someone sent me the link to the Daily Mail on Twitter, | :30:00. | :30:08. | |
the first thing I thought was that the Daily Mail doesn't know me if | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
they are writing a song about my breasts being exposed. Especially | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
because I did this TED talk a few months ago, a feature part of the | :30:17. | :30:24. | |
talk is a photograph of me is naked and my fans drawing on me. | :30:24. | :30:30. | |
breast had escaped? You have had a record? My entire body had escaped. | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
Obviously the Daily Mail is not going to care one way or another if | :30:34. | :30:39. | |
I'm the kind of performance artist who gets naked, they know they have | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
caught a photograph of a woman you know with her breasts slightly | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
exposed. Actually the context is irrelevant. Whether or not they | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
knew I was the sort of person who get naked at other times doesn't | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
matter to them because they know it doesn't really matter to readers. | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
suppose when this kind of story comes up, it is always said it is | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
just a bit of fun, and also this is a very, you know, one of the best- | :31:04. | :31:11. | |
selling newspapers in the world. People seem to like it? Hurray for | :31:11. | :31:16. | |
them! Your husband is British, did he not warn you about this? Well my | :31:16. | :31:22. | |
husband is British, and he's done a very good job at educating me about | :31:22. | :31:28. | |
the varieties of British press and how actually how the British press | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
differs in its approach in a lot of ways from the American press. For | :31:31. | :31:37. | |
instance I just had an article in the Guardian that I was sort of | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
upset by but the British people who read it were like no, no, the | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
British do this thing. They tear you apart but at the very end they | :31:45. | :31:50. | |
say they like you. That is a very British press approach. You know, | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
as Americans we have different sets of filters and stuff. But I didn't | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
really understand the nature of the Daily Mail until after I wrote my | :32:01. | :32:07. | |
song response. And watched the dialogue around it erupt. The | :32:07. | :32:12. | |
Americans don't really have an equivalent newspaper to the Daily | :32:12. | :32:18. | |
Mail that is kind of part right- wing agenda but part tabloid. You | :32:18. | :32:23. | |
know we have our tabloids but our tabloids are kind of cute and | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
harmless. People pick them up at supermarkets but they are really | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
just you know, there is not enough content in them, there is not | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
enough attention on them to revile them. Where as the Daily Mail seems | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
to be nationally despised. You say "despised", but it does sell, it | :32:39. | :32:47. | |
sells very well? I think probably in the circles I travel in it's | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
despised. I'm hanging out with a certain type of person. I'm really | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
shocked that you don't hang out with a lot of people that don't | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
gravitate to the Daily Mail, that surprises me? It tells you a lot | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
about, and this is very true in America, how deeply divided culture | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
is. There can be a whole world happening that you are unaware of | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
in your day-to-day existence. talk about music business, | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
musicians and writers and journalists all have relationships | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
with their audience, what is the difference between the relationship | :33:18. | :33:24. | |
you have with your audience and the Daily Mail has with its? I don't | :33:24. | :33:34. | |
:33:34. | :33:36. | ||
know if anybody really loves deeply, passionately, loves the Daily Mail. | :33:36. | :33:42. | |
(music) Was that a plus one. What was that? The doorbell. How did you | :33:42. | :33:47. | |
do that!? Magic.Let's talk a bit about music business, there is one | :33:47. | :33:51. | |
parallel between newspapers in this country and in America and the | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
music business, which is nobody really knows how to make money out | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
of the digital age. Musicians certainly don't? I think what you | :33:57. | :34:03. | |
are seeing now with things like Kickstarter and Crowdfunding and | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
the aspects of patronage happening on the Internet is a new more | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
internet relationship between artists and the people who love | :34:10. | :34:17. | |
them. Because before you just had this giant wall inbetween of | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
commerce. So this year I'm going all over the globe to Australia, | :34:22. | :34:28. | |
Africa and Oslo and Israel and Canada and everywhere to deliver | :34:28. | :34:34. | |
House Party that sold on Kickstarter for $5,000 each. They | :34:34. | :34:38. | |
were groups of fans who gathered together and organised themselves | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
and threw down money for a party. And especially in places where I | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
don't normally tour and they paid for me to come. The Kickstarter got | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
all sorts of attention for all sorts of reasons, that is the most | :34:51. | :34:57. | |
impressive element of the Kickstarters, and all those who | :34:57. | :35:03. | |
wanted me to play at the time started Facebook pages and trusted | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
each other and threw down their money and put it in a bank by one | :35:06. | :35:12. | |
person, they did it all without agents, or managers or anything, | :35:12. | :35:20. | |
just with trust and grassroots people. You have a million | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
followers on twitter and you have these parties, is there a time when | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
you won't engage with the audience and you will rather be alone and | :35:28. | :35:35. | |
cut yourself off and do what a lot of other artists have done? | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
Because I got into music to begin with. I started writing songs and | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
wanted to make art because I liked connecting with people so much. Not | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
the other way round. I don't connect with people because I have | :35:46. | :35:50. | |
to do that in order to spread my art around. It is backwards. I | :35:50. | :35:57. | |
don't think I'm ever going to pull a JD Sallinger, I'm not the type. | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
Thank you very much. Alaska is a land of pristine | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
wilderness, sparse population and extraordinarily rich resources. It | :36:06. | :36:10. | |
is also one of the corners of our planet experiencing the most | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
dramatic effects of climate change. The carbon economy that made Alaska | :36:14. | :36:20. | |
rich is threatening the state's ecosystem. And presenting the US, | :36:20. | :36:29. | |
the world's second-largest carbon emitter with a huge challenge. | :36:29. | :36:34. | |
Kivalina, an Innuit settlement on the far North West coast of Alaska. | :36:34. | :36:43. | |
Home to 400 indigenous people whose lives depend on hunting and fishing. | :36:43. | :36:48. | |
These waters have sustained them for generations. But now the | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
dramatic warming of the Arctic north and the retreat of the sea | :36:52. | :36:59. | |
ice has left Kivalina cruelly exposed. Thick sea ice used to | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
protect Kivalina from the worst effects of coastal erosion, not any | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
more. In recent years the village has faced the threat of being | :37:07. | :37:14. | |
washed away, which is why the US Army Corps of Engineers built this | :37:14. | :37:20. | |
defensive wall of rocks to keep the sea at bay. But it is only a | :37:20. | :37:23. | |
temporary solution. The engineers themselves reckon that Kivalina | :37:23. | :37:31. | |
could be uninhabitable within a decade. Kivalina is one of several | :37:31. | :37:37. | |
Innuit coastal settlements facing imminent destruction. These | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
villagers are destined to be America's first climate change | :37:40. | :37:49. | |
refugees. Relocating Kivalina to higher ground would cost several | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
hundred million dollars, community leaders in the village responded to | :37:52. | :37:58. | |
their might by suing a host of big oil companies. Claiming they | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
conspired to downplay the link between climate change and carbon | :38:02. | :38:09. | |
emissions. But the case was rejected. When you heard that the | :38:09. | :38:15. | |
US Supreme Court of not prepared to hear your case how did you feel? | :38:15. | :38:25. | |
:38:25. | :38:25. | ||
Not surprised. We failed in court, but I think we have gotten | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
hopefully the attention of a lot of people who need to be paying | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
attention, because everyone is impacted. It is not just Kivalina. | :38:34. | :38:42. | |
It is everyone. Do you feel that your voices are heard in Washington | :38:42. | :38:52. | |
DC? They listen to what you have to say. But they never take any real | :38:52. | :38:58. | |
action. They will put a bandaid on a situation, that is what all | :38:58. | :39:05. | |
disaster responses are bandaids. Beyond Kivalina there are no roads, | :39:05. | :39:13. | |
just the vast expanse of Alaska's Arctic tundra. And at the most | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
northerly tip of the state the town of Barrow, much closer to the North | :39:17. | :39:23. | |
Pole than Washington DC. This is America's very own climate change | :39:23. | :39:31. | |
frontline. Barrow is known as the Arctic's | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
science city, here researchers track the profound changes in the | :39:35. | :39:44. | |
Arctic climate. Escorted by an armed bear guard I head east out of | :39:44. | :39:50. | |
Barrow on an all-terrain vehicle. With the summer melt under way this, | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
a last chance to drive over the sea ice, without the risk of falling | :39:54. | :40:04. | |
:40:04. | :40:10. | ||
through. The results of years of field work show the ice is getting | :40:10. | :40:16. | |
thinner and younger. It rarely lasts for more than three or four | :40:16. | :40:26. | |
:40:26. | :40:26. | ||
years. The total volume of Arctic ice has fallen by more than half in | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
a generation. Some scientists now talk of the death spiral of the | :40:30. | :40:40. | |
Arctic ice. Explain to me why it is such a big problem that the ice is | :40:40. | :40:49. | |
disappearing? Basically the poles cool planet. As we lose the ice it | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
is the ability to cool the planet decreasing. All the surfaces that | :40:54. | :40:56. | |
is reflecting the sun out and keeping the planet cooler will be | :40:57. | :41:03. | |
gone. But the other thing is you could think about a glass of water. | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
With ice-cubes in it. That glass of water is going to stay cold until | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
all that ice is gone. The minute that ice is gone then it can start | :41:10. | :41:16. | |
really heating up. And so you think about you take that analogy to the | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
whole planet, you basically have a planet with ice at the poles. We're | :41:21. | :41:27. | |
heating up that planet but the ice is buffering that heat. Once the | :41:27. | :41:35. | |
ice is gone global warming will have a bigger toll. | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
Alaska's significance in the climate story is about cause as | :41:37. | :41:46. | |
well as effect. Alaska's North Slope is America's biggest oil | :41:47. | :41:55. | |
field. The US is desperate to tap new sources of Alaskan oil. | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
Offshore Shell has begun exploratory Arctic drilling, | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
despite a chorus of disapproval from environmental groups. Those | :42:02. | :42:08. | |
concerns grew louder when a rig ran aground off the Alaskan coast. | :42:08. | :42:13. | |
Operations are now currently suspended. But the prize is too | :42:13. | :42:19. | |
valuable to ignore. 13% of the world's undiscovered oil and 30% of | :42:19. | :42:27. | |
natural gas assets are thought to lie within the Artic Circle. Kara | :42:27. | :42:32. | |
Moriarty, if Alaska were a country or nation it would be one of the | :42:32. | :42:36. | |
most oil-dependant in economic terms in the whole of the world. Do | :42:36. | :42:43. | |
you think that it is sustainable in the future? Many consume 19 million | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
barrels of oil a day. And the forecast for that supply and demand | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
is in the 20 million barrels per day for the next 30-40 years. So | :42:53. | :42:59. | |
where do you want that oil coming from? Do you want it to come from a | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
state like Alaska, where we take care of our environment, we comply | :43:03. | :43:09. | |
with very stringent environmental standards, we are Alaskans. We want | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
our ecosystems to remain. With respect your industry doesn't have | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
the greatest track record, I'm not just thinking about what Exxon | :43:18. | :43:24. | |
Valdez and the oil spill and what it did to your reputation in Alaska. | :43:24. | :43:29. | |
I'm thinking about the chuck chi and Bering Sea, shell pushing ahead | :43:29. | :43:34. | |
with oil exploration having to pause the operation? The reality is | :43:34. | :43:41. | |
there are 27 billion barrels of oil in the Chukchi Sea. They should | :43:41. | :43:47. | |
probably say there? I disagree, we have safely drilled 30 wells in the | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
Arctic in the 1980s, five or six in the Chukchi Sea, it can be done. | :43:52. | :43:57. | |
I'm confident it will be done. I'm confident it will be done safely. | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
Even the boss of another oil company, Total in France, has | :44:02. | :44:07. | |
looked at the Arctic and said the risks are too big, a spell would do | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
too much damage? The Arctic is going to be developed. And who do | :44:10. | :44:16. | |
we want in the lead. Do we want a country like Russia who doesn't | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
have the same type of environmental standards to be the first to | :44:20. | :44:26. | |
develop Arctic oil? Or do you want it to be the United States? | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
Last month President Obama pledged significant action, not just words | :44:31. | :44:37. | |
to combat climate change. Thank you Georges town. | :44:37. | :44:43. | |
-- George town. I refuse to condemn your generation and future | :44:43. | :44:49. | |
generations to a planet that is beyond fixing. That's why today I'm | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
announcing a new national climate action plan and I'm here to en list | :44:54. | :44:59. | |
your generation's help in keeping the United States of America a | :44:59. | :45:07. | |
leader, a global leader in the fight against climate change. | :45:07. | :45:11. | |
Anchorage the President's words met with little more than a shrug. | :45:11. | :45:17. | |
This city the whole state owe their existence to oil. Revenues from the | :45:17. | :45:23. | |
industry make up more than 90% of the state budget. The federal | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
Government knew that Alaska would have a hard time making it | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
economically unless it had a good solid resource base to work off. | :45:30. | :45:37. | |
Fogels, at Alaska's Department for Natural Resources, said his state | :45:37. | :45:43. | |
has no choice but to exploit the riches within the vast territory. | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
Ed Fogels, I'm interested if the people at the top of the department, | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
like yourself, are now saying to yourselves, climate change, man- | :45:50. | :45:55. | |
made climate change is a real issue and we have to factor it in to the | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
calculation we make about what to exploit, how to exploit and when to | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
exploit our resources. Let me ask you this, how would you propose | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
that happens. People bring that up a lot. When you are managing | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
natural resources to provide for your people, I mean how do you draw | :46:12. | :46:16. | |
a line somewhere and say well we are only going to develop X million | :46:16. | :46:21. | |
barrels of oil because we think that is going to contribute this | :46:21. | :46:26. | |
much to climate change and if we develop one patrol more it will | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
contribute more to climate change. That is an impossible determination | :46:29. | :46:35. | |
to make. The Arctic is warming faster than any other region on | :46:35. | :46:41. | |
earth. That in turn may encourage more resource exploitation in | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
Alaska, more carbon emissions, adding to the warming trend. | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
Scientists would call that a positive feedback effect. For | :46:51. | :46:56. | |
Alaskans, on the climate change frontline, and for the planet, it | :46:56. | :47:03. | |
may be not be positive at all. You can see the first part of his | :47:03. | :47:13. | |
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Hardtalk on the road in Alaska at That's it for tonight, back with | :47:45. | :47:55. | |
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more tomorrow. Good evening, it is the classic | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
situation after a number of days of heat and humidity come the | :48:19. | :48:24. | |
thunderstorms. They are going to be big through the course of Tuesday. | :48:24. | :48:26. | |
Rattling their way northwards through the country, a number of us | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
will get the downpours, some of us will miss them, this is the scene | :48:30. | :48:32. | |
through Northern Ireland in the middle of the afternoon. | :48:32. | :48:37. | |
Temperature on the fresh side, 18 degrees with showers. At this stage | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
across eastern and Scotland there will be some downpours around, | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
later in the day that is when it could get bad. For northern England | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
this is where the downpours are, we can take these areas of blue, it | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
could be almost anywhere across England, basically the whole | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
atmosphere across the UK is waiting to erupt to create those big | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
thunder clouds with that. Hail and gusty winds, in a sport space of | :49:00. | :49:05. | |
time we could see a lot of rain. Not too much rainfall or thunder | :49:05. | :49:09. |