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. The arch British of Canterbury vows to provide an alternative to | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
the payday loan companies. How morally superior can a church be | :00:22. | :00:28. | |
whose investment rules allow it to profit from arms, pornography and | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
is it really wise for the modern church to enter the murky world of | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
money lending? Also tonight the generals in Egypt | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
mobilise thousands of supporters on to the streets. So is the army | :00:41. | :00:47. | |
looking to smother its opponents? What a brilliant piece of skulling, | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
they were marvellous. A year on from the London Olympics, why are | :00:50. | :00:56. | |
so few women involved in sport. We asked an olympian to investigate. | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
From an early age I developed a passion for football, rowing, | :01:00. | :01:05. | |
tennis, but the health survey for England shows that only 12% of 14- | :01:05. | :01:15. | |
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year-old girls do enough physical activity to benefit their health. | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
Good evening. The Archbishop of Canterbury's intention to bring | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
money lending, not just on to the steps of the temple, but into the | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
church itself should have dominated the headlines this week. But | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
instead Justin Welby was left feeling embarrassed and irritate. | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
He told the chief executive of the payday loan company, Wonga.com, | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
that he would put him out of business by facilitating Credit | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
Unions up and down the country. Then last might, to his woreor, he | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
found out his own church invests in one of Wonga's key financial | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
backers. More morally questionable investments have since been | :01:52. | :02:02. | |
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discovered. So, is the church in a The three monotheist religions all | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
have a great deal to say about the lending of money. And ever since | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
this man took offence to the interest rates on offer in the | :02:20. | :02:26. | |
Jerusalem temple, Christians have been lensive to the sin of usury. | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
Discovering yesterday we had investments in Wonga was very | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
embarrassing. There is no two ways about it. I can't escape that. It | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
doesn't alter what we think about the situation, or our commitment to | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
supporting and working with others to build the Credit Union movement | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
and to build alternative sources of community finance, particularly in | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
the deprived areas, it is not what I would have liked to find out. | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
Payday loan companies on the high street and internet lent out more | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
than �2 billion last year. The best-known name in the industry, | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
Wonga, spent �24 million on advertising in just the last 12 | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
months. Will thousands of stretched customers really swap all that and | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
turn to the church to get them through to their next wage packet. | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
Now Justin Welby says he wants to put the likes of Wonga out of | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
business. Not by supporting extra regulation, but by encouraging | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
competition and driving down interest rates. We think you can | :03:24. | :03:30. | |
probably do it for an equivalent annual rate of 70-80%. Which again | :03:30. | :03:40. | |
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is? A huge sum of money. But it is In Weymouth in Dorset we get some | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
idea of what the bishop's plan might look like. Here the church | :03:54. | :04:00. | |
works with the local Credit Union, providing basic loan and saving | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
products for people unlikely to get joy from the high street bank. The | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
church acts almost like a local branch, letting residents take out | :04:09. | :04:16. | |
loans and money almost from the pulpit. The Credit Union is people | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
helping people, you get together and save together and lend. If in | :04:20. | :04:26. | |
that sense it is strengthening communities. Why do people use | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
payday lenders? Because they have a dramatic change of life | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
circumstances, they lose a job, and they have no back-up, they go to | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
the payday lender. If you encourage people to spend, they build up a | :04:38. | :04:43. | |
pot and for the rainy day they have something to fall back on. It has | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
worked in the Republic of Ireland, almost half people have signed up | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
to the Credit Union. For some in the payday industry the idea of | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
religious competition is not particularly alarming. No, purely | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
because there is a need for the product in the market. If we didn't | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
exist people would go to backstreet lending. I would like to know if | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
the Archbishop think it is better to go to illegal lenders if they | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
can't repay they may get physically injured, it is not a world we want | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
to go back to. Wouldn't the world be a better place if there was no | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
poverty and everybody had a meal and fresh water and illnesses, it | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
is not real though. The world is the way it is, people need money | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
for emergencies, that is why we are here. The banks aren't providing it, | :05:23. | :05:33. | |
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But, as bishop Welby knows, the financial industry, like the church, | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
is a complex beast. The Church of England controls more than �5 | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
billion worth of investments. It now turns out some of that cash is | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
funding one of Wonga's key financial backers. The church is | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
always going to be compromised if it continues to try to maximise its | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
profit. It is going to get caught out, because it is going to get its | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
hands burnt. What people really object to is it isn't walking the | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
talk, it is seen as hypocritical. The alternative is to put its money | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
where its mouth is and invest in projects to do good which are about | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
adding value to society rather than maximising profits and minimising | :06:16. | :06:25. | |
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damage. The church's advisory board That doesn't stop Lambeth Palace | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
funding other large companies with a questionable ethical record. | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
Newsnight has learned the church's pension fund currently owns shares | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
in Google and Vodaphone, whose tax arrangements have both been | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
criticised recently, and in multinational mining and energy | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
firms. After the latest payday row the Archbishop now says he wants | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
the church's investment guidelines to be reviewed. | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
With me to discuss the clerical- capital relationship are two men | :07:05. | :07:10. | |
helpfully both called Giles, first Giles Fraser, normer Canon | :07:10. | :07:18. | |
Chancellor at St Paul's Cathedral, and Giles from Instant Payday | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
Direct. Who decided that a 3% investment in porn would be OK with | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
the Lord, but 4% might push them over the edge? It is extraordinary, | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
we need to review where our money goes our investment for our pension | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
funds. But to be honest it is a very complicated area. You invest | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
in one thing, you seem to invest in everything else. If you get | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
involved in the markets it does seem that you know you invest in a | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
company that invests in other things, it is difficult to keep | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
your hand clean. The truth of the matter is if you were only | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
interested in keeping your hands clean you wouldn't get out into the | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
world. It is embarrassing, this really has to be changed. I think | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
the church has to be not quite so bothered about its own reputation | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
and more bothered about getting out into the world and changing things. | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
That is what is going on. Are you looking at a whole scale | :08:10. | :08:17. | |
purification and purging ceremony, washing your hands. Things you are | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
investing in now, oil companies, and companies that don't like to | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
pay tax? That needs to be changed. Changed or given up? We have the | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
Archbishop of Canterbury who understands the ways of the world, | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
being a former banker, with his heart in the right place, he will | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
make a difference to this. We shouldn't be investing in these | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
sorts of companies, we need to have a wholesale review, that has been | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
ordered. I want to know how far the remit of moral crusade goes with | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
the Church of England, the front page of the Telegraph at the moment | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
has a story, it is, if you like, the pornography Tsar for the | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
Government, Claire Perry calling on the church to boycott Google or | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
invest in Google any more because they are not doing enough. They are | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
not doing enough to stop the kind of pornography that she is very | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
much against from being available? I agree with that. One thing I have | :09:07. | :09:13. | |
to say, this whole business about where the church has its money | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
shouldn't obscure the real good that has been going on this week | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
about the church addressing these issues of payday lenders. This is a | :09:21. | :09:27. | |
very, very important issue. In a place like my parish where people | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
are trapped in really terrible debt. That debt at very high rates of | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
interest. The idea that the church is getting involved in that is a | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
very good thing. Let's turn to Giles Coutts, you must be loving | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
this, it is normally your lot accused of being immoral, here we | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
are having a moral chat over here? For the man on the street they are | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
a little bit confused you have the Archbishop coming out and naming a | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
particular payday lender, it does annoy me that one company has got | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
all the attention, and then to find out the ainvestment is in there. | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
isn't lovely attention? Unfortunately for the Archbishop I | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
feel a little bit sorry for, he has been ill-advised in not knowing | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
about this before he has made an announcement to attack a particular | :10:11. | :10:16. | |
payday lender. Let me put this to, at least this lot are showing they | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
have a conscience, they are wriggling and spinning around | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
trying to make sense of what has been going on and giving | :10:22. | :10:28. | |
commitments that they might change things but what 820% APR? I mean, | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
surely you should be doing a little more squirming when these numbers | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
have been brought so sharply into the light of day? It is an | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
annoyance of mine, and every lender will say the same, we are very low, | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
that is 66p a day. You have major lenders, such as the Archbishop has | :10:44. | :10:50. | |
mentioned at 5,000%. But you are not disputing 820%? That is 66p a | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
day. Every lender has to have an operating cost, that's themselves | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
borrowing the money, plus the administration of lending it out, | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
and the risk of actually not returning that money. Here is the | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
problem, you are the acceptable face of this industry in a way, and | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
the unacceptable face won't ever sit in that chair. They won't be | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
questioned in this way. That's one of the problems. The other problem | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
is as an Friday 50% of your money is made from people who can't pay | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
the loans back initially. That is a real problem. Your business model | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
of the payday loan industry is for people to default, for them to | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
actually, you are building into what your business is people's | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
failure and misery to pay the money back that's the moral problem? | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
These loans have been going on for four years, the Government and the | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
OFT have been well aware of the loans. They could have stepped in | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
sooner with a rulebook to say there are principle rules that say they | :11:45. | :11:52. | |
aren't allowed to roll over. An annoying thing is they don't do | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
employier's checks, you have talk about people being unemployed, why | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
lend to an unemployed people. won't hold you to account for | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
people who do that. What is interesting is the church will step | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
into the breach, how exactly is your campaign going to work? | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
way I understand it, it is a fairly long-term campaign, we're not going | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
to be the money lenders in this situation. We're going to be | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
providing our facilities, our churches, and our expertise. It is | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
part of your long-term plan is to facilitate Credit Unions, and. | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
Facilitate. And we hear the church is prepared to lend money as well? | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
I haven't heard that, I don't know that is the case. What I understand | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
to be going on here is the church will use its outlets, we have more | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
outlets than the banks have, to actually help encourage Credit | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
Unions. This is not a command and control thing from the centre, this | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
will be something that grows organically from the ground. | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
have been told that the church is very prepared where it can't | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
facilitate a Credit Union to step into the breach and say they will | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
lend the money. That begs the question how are you going to look | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
somebody in the face and say I know you are telling me you can't afford | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
to pay the gas bill tomorrow we want this money back? That is a | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
real problem. Why are you getting involved in this? I think it is a | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
real problem. If we can undercut very substantially, in terms of | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
interest rates. With a Credit Union it is like 28% or going up to 40%, | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
the difference between that and 5,000% is a major difference for | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
people. Are you worried about them putting you out of business? Not at | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
all. Because it is going to probably damage them more so than | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
anything else. The church is one place that people will always see | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
as a solid reputation. Going around and collecting money on the doors | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
to say you have not paid us, number one. We have also proven that we | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
are the cheapest in the market on- line, and it so far people are | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
still going elsewhere. People aren't searching. We will leave it | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
there, Giles Coutts and Giles Fraser thank you very much indeed. | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
Later in the programme, one year after the Olympics, why is there | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
still a gap between men and women in the country when it comes to | :13:55. | :14:02. | |
sport? Thousands are protesting on the streets of Cairo tonight. Most | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
have turned out to support the generals who currently run the | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
country, clashes with supporters of the ousted President Mohamed Morsi | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
have also been taking place and some people have been killed. Mr | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
Morsi is the country's first democratically elected President, | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
and he's still being held by the military. New allegations were | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
levelled against him today alleging close links with the Palestinian | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
militant group, Hamas. The UN has called for his immediate release, | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
but it really doesn't look like that's going to happen any time | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
soon. First of all, tell us what happened on the streets of Egypt | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
today? Well essentially the military called for protests in | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
support of what they had done. And just eased the crowds out on toe | :14:44. | :14:50. | |
the streets, they cancelled the very popular soap operas, Ramadan | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
soap operas on TV to help the cause along. There was always the | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
potential for trouble, there are still many thousands of people, | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
particularly after Friday prayers, who support the Muslim Brotherhood, | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
President Morsi, who was removed from power. And there was a natural | :15:05. | :15:12. | |
potential for clashes n Alex sand dreeia, the port city of -- Alex | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
sand dreeia, the port city of Egypt, there were bad incidents, five | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
people killed and several dozen wounded. It is wrong to say that is | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
an every-day event, but since the takeover by the military more than | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
200 people have been killed in this type of political violence. Where | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
does it leave the transition to democracy? It leaves the plan and | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
the messy realities and how they might evolve, they are not | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
necessarily the same thing. We know the plan, the acting President, | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
Adly Mansour, laid it out a couple of weeks ago, it involved in the | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
first place convening a group of people to amend the constitution, | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
that was supposed to happen a few days ago, they did get together and | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
started to tinker with the constitution. The first area there | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
for altering the quality of Egyptian democracy as how they | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
alter the constitution. The people of Egypt will decide on the 20th of | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
November, we are told, under this plan, whether or not they accept | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
the new constitution and assuming they say, yes, then this will be a | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
parliamentary election campaign leading to elections early in | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
February 2014. At some point after that there is meant to be a new | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
President elected. But the key thing is will the military try to | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
influence the Electoral Commission, the courts, other things we saw in | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
the run-up to the presidential election, in particular last year | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
to actually shape this process and make sure that only its chosen | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
people get through to the ballot box. There is one missing phrase in | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
all of this, the Muslim Brotherhood? Do they figure in the | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
new democracy or not? When the takeover happened, and of course | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
there were statements of concern and condemnation from overseas, it | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
was said, oh yeah when we hold these elections anybody can run, | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
including the Muslim Brotherhood. People who support them can't help | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
noticing things like today's news that charges are being levelled | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
against ex-President Morsi, on these ground of being too close | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
with Hamas and being involved in a jail break where two people were | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
killed. They fear a show trial may be in the offing and the | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
criminalisation of their organisation may be one of the | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
things the military will do if it wants to gain support. They will | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
ask whether or not they will be able to run. How the interim | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
Government manages these next steps, led by the military, will be the | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
most telling factor about how quickly the transition to democracy | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
will, in fact, occur. There has been both good and bad things of | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
what we have seen so far. The degree to which the Muslim | :17:42. | :17:48. | |
Brotherhood will be willing to and allowed to engage in political | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
dialogue will be one of the most telling factors and one of the key | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
things to watch in the coming weeks and months. We can guarantee with | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
that sort of scenario continuing street violence and tensions and | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
manoeuvrering between the army and the Muslim Brotherhood. | :18:05. | :18:12. | |
A year on from 2012 Usain Bolt of back in action tonight, in the | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
Olympic Stadium in Stratford. He hasn't lost his lustre, nor | :18:15. | :18:21. | |
memories of the game. According to a ComRes poll for the BBC, more | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
than two thirds of people believe the �8.77 billion cost of the | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
Olympics was worth the money. Even though this was the games that made | :18:30. | :18:37. | |
icons of Ennis, Pendleton, Grainger and Trott, was it the breakthrough | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
games for British women? One gold medallist has been finding out for | :18:40. | :18:50. | |
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It was billed as the women's Olympics. More women's medals up | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
for grabs than ever before. The first games where women could take | :18:58. | :19:08. | |
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part in every sport. We were inspiring a generation. For the | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
first time Great Britain had nearly equal numbers of male and female | :19:19. | :19:24. | |
athletesk but women won only 36% of the medals. There are more medal | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
events for men than women. But in the two other top-performing | :19:28. | :19:34. | |
countries, China and the US, women outperformed the men. Part the | :19:34. | :19:44. | |
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problems, it seems, is men are just more active than women. The Active | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
People's Survey, carried out by Sport England suggests only 30% of | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
people do 30 minutes of physical activity a week, that is compared | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
to 40% of men. That is a problem that starts to develop as early as | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
primary school. At the age of eight or nine boys and girls do similar | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
levels of physical activity. By the time they reach 10 or 11 a gap has | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
started to appear. I grew up in a really sporty family, my parents | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
always encouraged me to be active. From an early age I developed a | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
passion for football, rowing, tennis, but the health survey for | :20:19. | :20:24. | |
England shows that only 12% of 14- year-old girls do enough physical | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
activity to benefit their health. In your teenage years everyone | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
feels very self-conscious so the degree in which you are forced to | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
take part in front of boys and what you are wearing, a lot needs to be | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
done around sheer encouragement. Around that related to role | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
modelling. For girls who get involved in sport still, they are | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
going against the grain of what their peers will be doing. It is | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
alarming that lots of girls say to us that sport is really for boys. | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
They certainly recognise that boys get more encouragement. We have a | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
cultural issue to deal with. Even within that context there is a lot | :20:59. | :21:07. | |
to be done. Get up, get down. Choice of | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
activity is one thing that help. This lunchtime zumba club at a | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
school in Stockport gets more than 70 girls turning up each week. The | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
aim is to build their confidence and getting them doing something | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
they might continue after they leave school. I'm not very good at | :21:24. | :21:30. | |
sports where other people can beat me. Dancing and zumba are sports | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
where you can be yourself and be free. It is not necessarily that | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
the most sporty things, but it get you having fun and you don't | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
necessarily have to think about if you are doing it right. It doesn't | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
matter if you go wrong you can enjoy it. Boys generally prefer | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
sports. They like the whole team aspect of it, and it is like | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
getting stuck in, girls seem to be a bit more reserved, worried about | :21:54. | :22:00. | |
getting the rules wrong. Women's Sport and Fitness | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
Foundation wants schools to make sure all-girls, not just the | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
talented few are active. Are activities like zumba just as | :22:08. | :22:14. | |
important as competitive-based sports. If you get involved in | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
something and start to be fitter and healthier, the evidence is you | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
will start taking up other activities and maybe sport, maybe | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
team sport, the important thing for most people is being active and I | :22:23. | :22:33. | |
think that should be the priority. At grassroots level sports which | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
increase participation are rewarded with more funding from the national | :22:37. | :22:44. | |
body Sport England. Netball is one of the few women's sports that has | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
managed to grow. The number of women playing has gone up by more | :22:49. | :22:57. | |
than 30% over the past four years. Netball England say it is because | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
they managed to target women who played at school and want a | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
friendly low-key environment to take it up again. I played at | :23:03. | :23:09. | |
school and within I left in year 11 I hadn't played since, and I came | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
back last year and started up again. What made you start sport at that | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
age? When I went to college and boys and socialising, I lost | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
interest. And then having my own kids and watching them and then | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
missing it really just spurred me on to think no I will get back into | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
it. I was encouraging her and I was thinking I'm not doing anything | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
myself. Sport England says it is focused on getting more women | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
active, it admits it is difficult to calculate whether investment | :23:36. | :23:43. | |
benefit men and women equally. of it is easy because some sports | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
are dominated by women, like netball, and some are evenly | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
balanced like swimming and cycling. A lot of the money we invest in | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
grassroots sports goes into facilities. Although we are very | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
clear those facilities can't discriminate in any way, neither | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
can we say it is absolutely balanced men and women, or | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
necessarily dictate the flow. It can be hard to calculate. I think | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
we need to keep challenging ourselves, are we doing enough for | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
women? Is the investment we are putting in really reaching men and | :24:11. | :24:17. | |
women in a balanced way? In America the success of female athletes has | :24:17. | :24:24. | |
been attributed to legislation called "title 9". The law bans sex | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
discrimination in any school or college receiving federal funds. | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
The result was a ten-fold increase in the number of girls playing | :24:30. | :24:37. | |
sport. Funding is one thing, but there are other issues. Women's | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
sport receives just 0.5% of all sports sponsorship in the UK and | :24:41. | :24:49. | |
gets less than 5% of the total sports coverage. The media has a | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
huge role to play in raising awareness of women's sport and | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
promoting female role models. It was only after the games when I | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
visited schools that I understood what the tag line "inspire a | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
generation" really meant. It is an easy thing to say but athletes, | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
governing bodies and the media need to follow up on that promise. If | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
they don't there is a risk that the gap between British girls and boys | :25:15. | :25:25. | |
in sport will never close in schools or at the Olympics. Joining | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
us now from Bristol is Samantha Murray, who won silver in the | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
modern pentathlon, the very last event at the 2012 Olympics. Thank | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
you very much for being with us. If it is true what we have just heard | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
in the report, that girls seem to be hard wired to steer away from | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
competition at a certain age, isn't it a bit hopeless, how do you go | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
about rewiring? A lot is to do with the media, what is conveyed to | :25:52. | :25:57. | |
young girls from a very young age in terms of what's acceptable and | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
what's popular to be. People, a lot of girls I remember when I was at | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
school everyone becomes quite self- conscious when they get to 11 or 12 | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
in their teens, and that means we don't want to be a part of | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
competitive sport and rembering back to my time at school the | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
shower facilities, the changing rooms, it was all quite grimy. It | :26:16. | :26:22. | |
did put me off the idea of getting sweaty during a PE lesson and going | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
on to a maths lesson afterwards, when like image and fitting in with | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
the crowd was more a priority at the time. So I think that something | :26:29. | :26:35. | |
that is quite important for young girls is creating a positive image | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
about female sports people. And that was something we definitely | :26:39. | :26:45. | |
saw at the Olympic Games, however, I don't feel as an athlete that was | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
really harnessed and embraced well enough after the games. That is | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
fascinating, is it that girls who are at school, particularly if they | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
are at mixed schools, they shouldly get the notion that to be | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
competitive and aggressive is some how to be less feminine, is that | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
what happens? Definitely, I definitely get that impression, and | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
I have been to a lot of schools after the Olympic Games, and I have | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
seen that so many girls are set back from being involved in the | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
competitive sports and getting stuck in, in PE. That self- | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
consciousness and the image is so important to them. I think the | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
media have a big role to play in what they convey in terms of what | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
it is to be female and what it is to be a powerful female. That's one | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
of the messages I suppose that comes from the media, but the other | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
is how much coverage there is. Now somebody who runs a channel will | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
say I will only run it if people will watch it and they don't want | :27:39. | :27:46. | |
to watch it? That is a Catch 22 I think. Because although you know we | :27:46. | :27:51. | |
have seen the woman's World Cup -- Women's World Cup has been aired on | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
BBC, that is fantastic. If not enough people watch it the demand | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
isn't there and the media won't put it on TV or in the newspapers. It | :27:59. | :28:05. | |
is a difficult thing. It is a culturalish u, we do need to try to | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
improve everything and get people more interested in women's sports | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
and get the women more interested, more competitive, and in doing so | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
adapt that image that we see in the media. The media is a driving force | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
and it can massively change young people's perspectives about what is | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
important. It can give them the confidence to pursue avenues that | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
they could be really interested in but they just feel shy about | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
because it might not seem the popular thing to do. One of the | :28:31. | :28:39. | |
interesting things is in America is they changed the law and made | :28:39. | :28:44. | |
things 50-50, would you like to see that? It would have a knock-on | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
effect, it wouldn't do any harm. Something that should be done is | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
more schemes and initiatives in schools. It would be great if role | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
models and Olympic medallists could go into schools and specialised | :28:54. | :28:59. | |
coaches and run some programmes, some lessons where they teach | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
taekwondo, Judo, modern pentathlon, Olympic sports not always | :29:04. | :29:14. | |
:29:14. | :29:16. | ||
accessible to young girls and accessible to young girls and | :29:16. | :29:26. | |
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students. Thank you very much. Now That is all we have time for this | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
week, we are back on Monday of course, we will leave you with some | :30:07. | :30:13. | |
classic music from the Rolling Stones from 1971, why? Why not? Sir | :30:13. | :30:22. | |
Mick Jagger turned 70 today, good night. | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
# Get down on your knees brown sugar | :30:26. | :30:31. | |
# How come you taste so good # Ah get down on the ground | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
# Brown sugar # Just like a young girl should | :30:36. | :30:44. | |
# I bet your momma was a tent Queen # And all your girlfriends were | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
sweet 16 # I'm no schoolboy | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
# But I know what I like # You should heard me just around | :30:51. | :31:00. | |
midnight Good evening, the weekend weather | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
prospects a bit mixed to say the least. I suppose broadly sunshine | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
and showers on Saturday. But rather more extensive rain rather than | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
showers across some southern areas as the day wears on, it is more of | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
a mix across the northern half of the UK. Particularly Scotland, | :31:15. | :31:17. | |
Northern Ireland and northern England. Inbetween the showers, | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
when you get the sunshine coming through, it should feel pleasantly | :31:21. | :31:28. | |
warm. Temperatures getting up into the low 20s. Misty across the | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
northern Isles. Prone to that mist and fog. Northern England, many | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
places will miss the showers, it will be harder to miss the rain | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
through the Midlands, East Anglia and much of southern England. Still | :31:40. | :31:45. | |
warm air, temperatures getting up to the 20 degrees mark, it won't be | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
terribly pleasant. The rain turning heavy later on. Devon and Cornwall | :31:48. | :31:53. | |
might get away with a dry afternoon, as will many northern parts of | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
Wales, for central and southern parts of Wales prone to patchy | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
outbreaks of rain as the afternoon wears on. What about further | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
afield? You will find heavy showers too in Oslo and Berlin, high | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
temperatures, look 36 in Berlin, for the second half of the weekend, | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
just as hot in Rome and Athens under the very strong sunshine. We | :32:12. | :32:15. |