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One of the biggest industrial areas in Scotland will be closed down. | :00:13. | :00:18. | |
Might someone be found who could make it pay? I have been talking to | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
Scotland's for instance as he tries to broker last-ditch deal. As part | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
of the apology that we have already given there should be included in | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
that apology, if we are going to give that apology we should give it | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
personally and not in this forum. You are planning to see Mr Mitchell | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
and give him an apology. If there is one due with regard to... (laughter) | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
Mr Hinton this is not a television game show. Why did the police who | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
met Andrew Mitchell in this room give such misleading accounts of | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
what happened. Why won't they give a proper apology. Totally there will | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
be a revolution, it is totally going to happen. I haven't a flicker of | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
doubt, this is the end. A highbrow interview with Russell Brand. This | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
is the green grass where I take my dogs and I just let them do what | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
they want. This little bit of green here? Because it is quite a small I | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
can't remember, there is a lot of dog mess. And has childhood finally | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
been divorced from nature? And does it matter? There are elements of the | :01:26. | :01:39. | |
industrial dispute at the petro-chemical plant at Grangemouth | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
which promise a trip straight back to the 1970s. A loss-making factory, | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
a work force that believes it has cast iron agreements about pay, | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
conditions and pensions which the management are now going back on. A | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
Government says it cannot and will not be a mere speck taker. It ought | :01:55. | :02:01. | |
-- spectator. It thought to be washed out in colour, it is real and | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
worrying enough if you are one of the thousands likely to be badly | :02:08. | :02:15. | |
affected. Today the owners of EOS announced they were shutting the | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
gates. After hearing the announcement workers began to leave | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
the site which employs 800 people directly with a further 2,000 jobs | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
reliant on the site. I'm sorry, no. It is going to be HOR rendous trying | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
to live -- HOR rendous trying to live after this. The owner, InEos | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
said they were willing to invest ?300 million, but only if the unions | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
agreed to their survival plan, which included accepting a pay freeze, | :02:43. | :02:49. | |
cuts to pensions and a no-strike guarantee. Blackmail. The workers | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
narrowly rejected the proposals in a ballot. The company said it could no | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
longer continue to fund the site and the business had no option but to go | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
ahead with liquidation. The trade union Unite, described it as an act | :03:04. | :03:11. | |
of industrial vandalism. Make no mistake, one man is holding this | :03:12. | :03:20. | |
work force and country to Rand some, that is Jim Ratcliffe, the owner. | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
Unite can do no more, and the ball is now the court of Jim Ratcliffe | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
and the respective Governments of Westminster and Edinburgh. The | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
Scottish Executive says if an agreement between the company and | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
Unite isn't achievable, it will pursue options to find a potential | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
buyer for the site. Just before we came on air I spoke to the First | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
Minister of Scotland, Alex Salmond, about the stand-off. Alex Salmond do | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
you accept it is now inevitable that Grangemouth is going to close? No I | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
don't. The reason for that is I know how close both management and unions | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
were to agreement last week, twice actually, once to an underlying | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
agreement and then secondly to reignite the plant. We were within a | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
hair's breath of that on Friday morning. Given that both sides were | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
very close to agreement last week, both sides agreed there was, in | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
their words, an outstanding further for this facility. I don't see why a | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
week later the game should be up. I'm determined not to give up on | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
Grangemouth. It is clearly uneconomic isn't it? No, there were | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
challenges certainly in the chemical side and its competitive position. | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
The petro-chemical side is losing ?10 million a month, that can't go | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
on indefinitely? That depends where you put the figures. Let's have some | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
common sense here. In the refinery there is no proposal to close it, | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
the refinery is pretty well placed compared to other UK refineries. In | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
the chemical side which has competitive pressure for particular | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
reasons, the company had an investment plan to secure the future | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
of that facility for the next 15-25 years. Both sides agreed that was an | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
investment plan that they wanted. Unfortunately the negotiations | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
brought down over other matters. Given we are a week on, given we | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
were so close last week, I don't see why we can't have a renewed effort | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
to find that common ground and secure a future for this facility. | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
So should the workers have accepted the cuts to pay and pensions? I | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
think the work force, certainly the unions were prepared to address | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
that, a significant development this afternoon is new proposals have been | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
made by Unite to the company. Now I hope the company is consider these, | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
I spoke to both Unite and Jim Ratcliffe this afternoon, I hope | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
these can be favourically considered. They do seem to me, as | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
least at first sight tie dress the cost issues the company brought | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
forward. Perhaps over the next few days we can get to a more positive | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
place and see this crucial facility. Above all the livelihoods of | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
thousands of people in Scotland protected. Would you like to see it | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
sold to somebody else if there cannot be an agreement reached? We | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
are going to concentrate, let's make one last effort to get that | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
agreement, given the new proposals that Unite have made. It is bait | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
late is it? -- it is a bit late? It might be five minutes to midnight | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
but not past the witching hour as yet. The petro-chemical company has | :06:21. | :06:28. | |
not been liquid dated yet, it won't -- liquidated yet, it won't be for | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
several days. I will work as hard as I can as First Minister of Scotland, | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
because of the facility and livelihoods at stake, let's make the | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
one last effort to get the agreement that secures the future of what is a | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
very, very important plant. When you spoke to the chairman, was he up for | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
a new set of talks? Well he certainly did not say that he | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
wouldn't consider the things coming forward. They have to come forward, | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
as he put it, from the local management. The sequence of events | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
that unite have made proposals to the local management. They have to | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
reflect that and put it forward to the shareholders of the company who | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
decide on the investment. But I hope that process can now happen because | :07:12. | :07:19. | |
Grangemouth is worth it happening and the leavelihoods of these people | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
are worth -- livelihoods of these people are worth it. We are prepared | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
to encourage and if sillity where agreement could be -- facilitate | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
where agreement could be reached. Where was he when you spoke to him | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
on the phone? He was in London and I was speaking from Aberdeen. So it's | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
not true, as has been alleged in the house of Lord this evening, that | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
he's swanking around on yacht in the Mediterranean? No and I could say | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
that Mr Rathbone was in DLON when I spoke from Aberdeen. Can I say from | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
all this stuff, I'm prepared from past exchanges as you know, to | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
engage in all sorts of stuff with other politicians and you know for | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
debate and all the rest of it. Right now when there are thousands of folk | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
who are waiting to see if they have a job and livelihood, whether people | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
are in the House of Lords and Commons or Scottish Parliament, we | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
should address the issue, our role right now is to try to get people to | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
agree, to try to get common ground to secure the future of the | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
facility. The rhetoric and inSULTs and all that nonsense should wait | :08:27. | :08:39. | |
for another day. Have you heard anything about the proposal from | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
Unite? I haven't as yet. We will wait and see if that comes through | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
tomorrow. What I'm hearing is that if what they are saying through it | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
is diametrically opposed to what they were saying only two days ago, | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
which was they totally rejected our survival plan and that is what | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
caused most of the Unite represent people on site to vote against it. | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
So there is a possibility of, Alex Salmond there was talking about | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
something five minutes to midnight. It is five minutes to midnight as | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
far as you are concerned, because the negotiations are not over? The | :09:14. | :09:15. | |
problem is the negotiations are over, which is why we announced | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
today we have to close the site. The difficulty we have been put into is | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
we made a clear statement to our employees because we couldn't talk | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
to Unite, they refused to talk about on the issue, they wanted to talk | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
about the treatment of the union convener. We have addressed it | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
directly to the work force, and encouraged by Unite they rejected | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
it, or half of them rejected it. Are you willing to reopen negotiations? | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
The reality is, and I think you heard Alex Salmond say it, that in | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
his discussions with Jim Ratcliffe and the shareholders, the management | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
team on the site will obviously take back to the shareholders something | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
if it changes significantly. I don't know whether that's the case or not | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
at this stage. So you are in principle prepared to reopen | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
negotiations, or you, I mean if people were willing on-site you | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
would? The reality of the situation is that we have been forced by t | :10:12. | :10:18. | |
rejection of the proposals we made to start a process that sees the | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
site close, that is the reality, I can't say what will happen tomorrow, | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
I have no idea what else is being offered. We have no idea what is on | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
the table. It is clearly not over. You are not talking like man who is | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
saying it is over, it is finished, it is done? The reality is we have | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
had to announce today the petro-chemical site will close. | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
There is a huge discussion to be had about restarting the refinery, that | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
has to start to continue. Whether that impacts on the petro-chemical | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
site I have no idea. As far as you are concerned the refinery can | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
continue to operate? Absolutely. Fine, can you help us with the | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
petro-chemical figures, this figure of your company losing ?10 million a | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
month, Alex Salmond disputes that, you heard him say that there that he | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
can't accept that was necessary the right figure, is it the right | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
figure? The overall site is losing ?10 million a month. That is the | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
whole site, both refining and petro-chemicals. Petro-chemicals is | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
a big piece of that. The reality is we have had to invest so far about a | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
billion pounds into the site. We have now to invest, if we want to | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
continue petro-chemical, they have to a further ?300 million, that was | :11:34. | :11:39. | |
put to the work force, are you willing to support us, if we are | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
going to put the ?300 million is, the answer was a resounding no. To | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
muck about with people's pension expectations is pretty tough? If it | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
were mucking about, I would agree with you. All we have asked to do is | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
for the pensions to go for a normal situation. Something most people | :11:59. | :12:00. | |
would consider very generous. The current pension scheme is costing us | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
65% of salary, for everyone we employ we have to add another 65% on | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
top of their salary which currently is about ?55,000, add the # the 65% | :12:11. | :12:20. | |
on it is costing over ?100,000 for every person on the site. Can you | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
imagine anyone else in your line of work to take on the commitments? It | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
is difficult to see who would do it. Everyone would face the same issue | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
we have, not enough gas from the North Sea, we can't run the site | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
full because of that. We have to invest in new facility to bring more | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
gas in. That is a big bill, on top of that big bill you have to keep | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
shelling out for the losseses on site until you have sort -- losses | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
on site until you have sorted that out. That will take two or three | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
years. What about workers who think they have no jobs? My message is one | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
of huge and deep regret. My major deep regret is their union has not | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
represented its interests, it has represented its own iterim political | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
interests and advised them extremely badly. | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
Thank you very much. Not since medieval philosophers debated how | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
many angels can dance on the head of a pin has Westminster seen a display | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
to compare with the appearance of three very experienced police | :13:17. | :13:19. | |
officers spending much of the afternoon trying to explain how they | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
came to describe a conversation which did not take place. In the | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
end, though, they couldn't bring themselves to apologise to the then | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
cabinet minister, Andrew Mitchell, but the senior officer who | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
investigated whether they ought to place disciplinary proceedings still | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
believes they should. The scene of wrongdoing? Or as the | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
police contend nothing to see here, move along please! Just over a year | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
ago the MP for Sutton Coldfield, Andrew Mitchell turned up here at | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
his constituency Association for A crucial meeting. If he could | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
convince three local representatives of the Police Federation that he had | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
done nothing wrong, well he just might be able to save his career. | :14:02. | :14:08. | |
What happened in this room around this table has already been the | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
subject of an internal police investigation that concluded the | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
officers had no case to answer. And a statement by the Independent | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
Police Complaints Commisssion that concluded, well there were issues of | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
honesty and integrity that needed to be examined. Today it was the turn | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
of MPs to look at the issue and pick up the detective's magnifying glass. | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
Over more than four hours we heard from three Chief Constables, the | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
police officer who carried out the initial internal investigation, two | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
senior figures from the independent police watchdog, and of course the | :14:43. | :14:45. | |
three police officers themselves, and, well, we ended up more or less | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
as baffled as we were at the start. Let's remind ourselves what the | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
officers said after the meeting a year ago. I think Mr Mitchell now | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
has no option but to resign. He is continuing to refuse to elaborate on | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
what happened. I think his position sun tenable. That statement piled | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
the pressure on Mr Mitchell and he ended up resigning. Despite the fact | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
that he had an audio recording of the meeting that clearly showed that | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
the officers' version of events was, well, wrong. | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
I did say, you know, under my breath, but audibly, in frustration, | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
"I thought you lot were supposed to BEEP help us," I did say that, for | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
that I apologise. That was the assessment of the independent Police | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
Complaints Commisssion, and the man who investigated on behalf of the | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
police. Did you end the draft report with the words "by giving a | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
misloading account of what took place at the meeting I believe the | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
officers have a case to answer for misconduct and bringing discredit on | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
the Police Service". Yes I did. Do you still consider the three | :15:59. | :16:01. | |
officers concerned and we will hear from them later, have a case to | :16:02. | :16:15. | |
answer in respect of misconduct have a case to answer. Yes I do. It took | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
several minutes of close questioning to work out what apology was for and | :16:20. | :16:27. | |
for whom? Is it an aa polling to Mr Mitchell or everyone in the public. | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
That you didn't pause and think before you went to the press? It is | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
an apology for the choreography not being properly dealt with. Not an | :16:36. | :16:38. | |
apology for anything you have done. You don't think you have done | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
anything wrong? At the moment no, I'm not convinced that we have done | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
anything wrong. You would know now after a year, wouldn't you, after a | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
year? I'm not convinced we have done nothing wrong. You have nothing to | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
apologise that is your view? Yes. I I gave what I believed to be an | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
accurate account of the meeting. At one point the third officer came | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
been a truncheon's-length of an apology to Mr Mitchell before | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
eventually drawing back. As part of the apology we have already given, | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
it should be included in that apology, but that is an apology if | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
we are going to give we should give to Mr Mitchell personally not in | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
this forum. You are planning to see Mr Mitchell to give him an apology. | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
If there is one due, and if there is one due with regard to... (laughter) | :17:25. | :17:30. | |
Mr Hinton this is not a television game show! The MPs were clearly not | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
satisfied with this. Because this is just NON not the nature of what was | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
said. I just understand why even if you didn't mean it you wouldn't | :17:43. | :17:51. | |
apologise to Mr Mitchell? Mr Jones? I can you say that again I'm not | :17:52. | :17:58. | |
sure I fully understand? But all agree that perhaps it would be | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
better in the future if serving police officers didn't go around | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
during working hours taking part in highly political campaigns and | :18:06. | :18:13. | |
calling for cabinet ministers to resign. | :18:14. | :18:16. | |
As you would imagine our producer spent much of the day trying to get | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
someone in a police uniform to appear tonight. Despite our best | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
efforts, the Independent Police Complaints Commisssion, the police | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
fed rail strikes the association -- the Police Federation, West Mercia | :18:30. | :18:31. | |
police weren't able to find anyone to come on. We did have a yes from | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
the Chief Constable of Warwickshire, but 25 minutes before he was due to | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
appear we were called by his assistant to explain he had a long | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
day and could no longer make it. Let's hope he's having a long lie | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
down. Guess who wrote this, "when people talk about politics within | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
the existing Westminster framework I feel a dull thud in my stomach and | :18:52. | :18:58. | |
my eyes, involuntarily glazed like when I'm conversing and the subject | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
changes from me and moves on to another topic." The combination of | :19:03. | :19:10. | |
distaste for mainstream politics and vanity defines it as Russell Brand, | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
actor, comedian and now it seems political they arist. For is there | :19:16. | :19:22. | |
no -- theorist. He's now the guest editor of the New Statesman. He | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
wants a revolution, he says. Who are you to edit a political magazine? I | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
suppose like a person who has been politely asked by an attractive | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
woman. I don't know the criteria, I don't know many people who edit | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
political manage SDEENs, Boris, I'm a person with crazy hair, a good | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
sense of humour, know nothing about politics. Is it true you don't vote? | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
No I don't. How do you have authority to talk about politics? I | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
don't get my authority from the preexisting paradigm that is narrow | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
and only service a few people. I look elsewhere for alternatives that | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
might be of service to humanity. Alternate means all TRNate political | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
systems. They being? I haven't invented it yet, I had to do the | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
magazine last week and I had a lot on my plate. This is the thing it | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
shouldn't do, it shouldn't destroy the planet, shouldn't create massive | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
economic disparity and ignore the needs of the people. The burp is on | :20:23. | :20:30. | |
The burden of proof is on the people in power. How do you imagine people | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
get power? There are hierarchical systems that get them elected. There | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
is democratic system, you can't be arsed to vote? It is something that | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
changes. In a democracy it works? I don't think it is working very well | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
given that the planet is being destroyed and economic disparity of | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
a huge degree, you are saying there is no alternative, just this system. | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
I'm not saying that, if you can'ting arsed to vote why should we be cars | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
today listen to your political point of view? You don't have to. I'm not | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
voting out of apathy, but out of absolute indifference and weariness | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
over the distortion and lies and political deceit of the political | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
class going on for generations now, and reaching fever pitch where we | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
have a disenfranchised and disillusioned despondent underclass | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
not being represented by that system. There is tacit complicity | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
with the system. Why not change it? I'm trying to. Start by voting? I | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
don't think it work, people have voted already and that is what | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
created the current paradigm. When did you last vote? Never. You have | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
never voted? Do you think that is bad. You struck an attitude before | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
the age of 18? I was busy being a drug addict, because I come from the | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
social systems that are exacerbated by the system, that administers to | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
lar corporations. You are blaming the political class for your drug | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
problem? I'm saying I was part of a social and economic class that is | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
underserved by the current political system and drug addiction is one of | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
the problems it creates when you have huge underserved impoverished | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
population, people get drug problems and don't feel that they want to | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
engage with the current political system because they see it doesn't | :22:14. | :22:16. | |
work for them. They see it makes no difference. They see they are not | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
served. I say that the apathy. It don't work if they don't vote? The | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
apathy doesn't come from us the people, it is from the politicians | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
apathetic to our needs. They are only interested in servicing the | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
needs of the population. The Tories taking the EU to court because they | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
are trying to cartel bank bonuses, is that what is happening in our | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
country. Why should I tune into that. You don't believe in | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
democracy, you want a revolution? The planet is being destroyed, | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
creating an underclass and exploiting poor people all over the | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
world. The genuine problems of the people are not being addressed by | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
the political class. All of things may be true?. They are true. I | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
wouldn't argue with you about many of them? How come I feel so cross | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
with you, it can't be because of the beard, it is gorgeous, if the Daily | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
Mail don't want it, I do, I'm begins them, grow it longer and tangle it | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
into our armpit air. You are a very trivial man? I'm trivial, a minute | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
ago I want a revolution and I'm trivial, I'm bouncing all over the | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
place. Many people want a revolution, I'm asking what it will | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
be like? What it won't be like is a huge disparity between rich and | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
poor, where 300 Americans have the same amount of wealth as the 85 | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
million poorest Americans. Where there is an exploited and | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
underserved underclass that being continually ignored, while welfare | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
is slashed while Cameron and George Osborne go to court to defend the | :23:45. | :23:47. | |
rights of bankers to continue receiving their bonuses, that is all | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
I'm saying. What is the scheme, you talk vaguely about revolution, what | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
is it? I think a socialist equaltarian system en massive | :23:58. | :24:04. | |
redistribution of wealth, and massive -- I think the very concept | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
of profit should be hugely reduced, David Cameron says profit isn't a | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
dirty word, I say profit is a filthy word, wherever there is profit there | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
is deficit. This system currently doesn't address these ideas. Why | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
would anyone vote for it. Why would anyone be interested in it. Who | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
would heavy the taxes? There needs to be a centralised administrative | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
system. There needs to be a Government? Maybe call them | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
something else, call them the admin BODs so they don't get ahead of | :24:33. | :24:35. | |
themselves. How would they be chosen? Don't ask me to sit with you | :24:36. | :24:41. | |
in an interview in a hotel room and devise a global utopian system. You | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
are calling for revolution? Absolutely, I'm calling for change | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
and genuine alternatives, when there is one and option vote for that. | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
Until then, don't bother, why pretend and be complicit in this | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
ridiculous illusion. By the time somebody Kims along you might think | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
worth voting for it might be too late? The time is now, the movement | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
is occurring, we are at a time where communication is instainous, and | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
there are communities all over the world. Occupy introduced to the | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
popular public lexicon the idea of the 99% against the 1%. People for | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
the first time in generation are aware of massive corporate and | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
economic exploitation, these are not nonsense and they are not being | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
addressed. Nobody is doing anything about tax havens or their political | :25:35. | :25:37. | |
affiliations and financial affiliations of the Conservative | :25:38. | :25:39. | |
Party. So until people start addressing things that are actually | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
real, why wouldn't I be factitious, why would I take it seriously and | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
encourage a constituency of young people indifferent to vote. Why | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
wouldn't woo we. Aren't you more bored than anyone, you have been | :25:53. | :25:55. | |
talking to them year after year, listening to their lies and | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
nonsense, this one getting in, that one. The problem continues. Why are | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
we going to continue to contribute to this facade. I'm surprised you | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
can be factitious when you are that angry about it? I am angry, for me | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
it is real. For me it is not just some peripheral thing that you turn | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
up to the church fete from, this is what I come from and what I care | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
about. Do you see any hope? Yeah, totally, there will be a revolution, | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
it is totally going to happen. I ain't got a flicker of doubt. This | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
is the end. This is time to wake up. I remember I see you in that | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
programme, where you look at your ancestor, you saw your grandmother | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
had to brass herself or got locked over by the aChris crates that ran | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
the house, that was unfair and you cried, because it is a century ago. | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
I have been talking to a woman today being treated like that. If we can | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
engage that feeling, instead of some moment of sentimentality set out on | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
the TV for people to pour over emotional porn, if we can engage | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
that feeling and change things. Why wouldn't we, why is that niave, why | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
is that not my right because I'm an actor. I have taken the right, I | :27:08. | :27:10. | |
don't need the right from you or anybody, I'm taking it. Russell | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
Brand. It has been the despairing LAment of one parent after another | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
for years, "can't you get off that screen and get some fresh air for a | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
change"? They are showing their age and day after day they are reminded | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
of how aling, DHOUL, how muddy, had you damp, how remote the natural | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
world is by comparison with the easily accessible delights of cyber | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
reality. A film maker called Bondarenko was so depressed by what | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
seems to be becoming -- David Bond, was to depressed about this that he | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
did what film makers do and made a film about it. I'm David Bond, I'm a | :27:49. | :28:09. | |
father, I'm the marketing director of nature. This is Ivy, she's five, | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
she loves the television. How much do you love the television? One | :28:15. | :28:17. | |
hundred billion, I love sitting in front of it all day long. Why? It is | :28:18. | :28:24. | |
so relaxing. Like all parents, I want my children to be happy. As a | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
child I was happiest playing outdoors. When I got back from | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
school I would throw down my books and go straight out to play. My | :28:35. | :28:41. | |
children don't do that. Across the western world children spend less | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
and less time outdoors. The generational shift to an indoor | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
existence has been strongly linked to a sharp decline in children's | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
well being. Cases of childhood obesity, depression and behavioral | :28:56. | :29:03. | |
difficulty are at a record high. I can't persuade my children to go | :29:04. | :29:09. | |
outside. Modern marketing is a mighty persuader. I want to use it | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
to sell the ultimate free wonder product. The outdoors. I'm going to | :29:15. | :29:21. | |
attach a camera to Ivy to see how things have changed. This is how she | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
spends her time. 32% in school, 15% watching TV, 15% playing indoors, | :29:28. | :29:34. | |
12% on the computer, 10% eating, 5% in the car, 4% in the bathroom, and | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
4% playing out doors. Is this a problem? There is no hard | :29:39. | :29:45. | |
evidence that technology is bad for children. But it definitely | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
displaces nature from their lives. As the marketing director of nature, | :29:51. | :29:57. | |
new technology is my competitor. Can children escape the screens. The | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
first step is to find out what my target audience currently thinks | :30:03. | :30:13. | |
about my product. I have got nature in my box here. What do you think of | :30:14. | :30:21. | |
when you think of nature? Dull, boring. I like it when it is sunny, | :30:22. | :30:28. | |
but I just like staying at home. The reason I don't really go out is | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
because I live on Plumstead common and a lot of people have their dogs | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
there and people get mauled to death. Yeah, that's interesting. The | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
reason a lot of people I know and myself don't go to the woods and | :30:42. | :30:44. | |
nature, you don't want to mess up your clothes that you are wearing. | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
And the clothes I want to get messy I wouldn't want to wear outside in | :30:49. | :30:56. | |
public. Look at your model, outdoors doesn't look like that, it looks | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
completely different. If it looked like that I would want to go | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
outside, but it really doesn't. Oh no. These girls hate my product. | :31:05. | :31:14. | |
I will show you where we play. We play up in this square. There is the | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
sign that pays "no ball games" but we don't listen. Who put up the | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
sign? The housing office, that owns all the houses. People moan at us | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
for playing ball games but we don't listen so. I am GLAED to hear it. | :31:30. | :31:35. | |
What What would happen if they caught you playing ball games? I | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
think we will just get an ASBO. You get an ASBO? Yeah. This is the green | :31:40. | :31:45. | |
grass where I take my dogs and I just let them do what they want. | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
This little bit of green here? Because it is quite a small I can't | :31:50. | :31:52. | |
remember, there is a lot of dog mess in this little area? But East End | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
homes do come and trim it and just try to grow the patches that have | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
not come up and all that. It is not a very big space is it? My dog comes | :32:02. | :32:12. | |
on here a lot, she likes it. Are these children really missing | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
out? What's the scientific evidence for the benefits of nature? Never in | :32:18. | :32:24. | |
human history have we spent so little time in physical contact with | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
animals and plants. YUFR University students with natural views score | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
better on tests. Workers who see trees and flowers are less stressed | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
and report fewer illnesses. And that's just a view of nature. If you | :32:39. | :32:45. | |
actually go into it, the results are amazing. Being among plants produce | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
lower concentrations of stress HOER moans, lower blood pressure and | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
boosts the immune system. The more nature we get during childhood the | :32:54. | :33:00. | |
more we want as adults. Unless children really notice nature around | :33:01. | :33:07. | |
them, they will never care about it. I worry that children spent more and | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
more time staring down at screens. If we fail to market nature to them, | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
they are bound to choose the alternatives. The competitors may | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
have got the budget, but I think we have got the best product. | :33:23. | :33:35. | |
Well David Bond joins us now as does the journalist, and Sorayah July, | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
with a four-year-old child, also with us is Eve King doing what | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
11-year-olds are actually doing things now. | :33:46. | :33:51. | |
Sir Tom Arnold you are -- David you are instinctively an urban person | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
what is wrong with the countryside? It is lovely, but what is wrong is | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
the notion you will be ill if you don't go there. The whole thing is | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
predicated on the idea that there is something called Nature Deficit | :34:04. | :34:09. | |
Disorder, in which you make yourself ill if you are not taken back to | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
your natural state which is thought to be evolutionary us hunting | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
antelopes across the vale and eating their livers. The closer you get | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
back to that idea the closer you are to your real self. It is a romantic | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
idea without evidence behind it. There is plenty of evidence and it | :34:28. | :34:30. | |
is growing all the time. The evidence is children need nature, | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
they develop better, it is good for their brains, it is fun for them. | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
The evidence is pretty clear that without it they tend to spend their | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
time inside on screens, if they are watching screens a lot then obesity | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
levels are higher. There is a lot of evidence that attention deficit and | :34:47. | :34:49. | |
depression in children is raised significantly if they spend too long | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
indoors. There are links between the indoors and problems, there is a | :34:55. | :34:57. | |
clear evidence that the indoors is pushing nature away. Maybe not a | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
precise causal link but it is pretty clear it is there. It is clear the | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
more time you spend indoors the less cases of RIKTs there are -- rickets | :35:06. | :35:11. | |
there are for example? That may be the case, what we wanted to show | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
was, go on. You are just saying that life has changed, we live in | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
different circumstances? We do. And those circumstances are harming | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
children. It is pretty clear without time and nature, children are less | :35:25. | :35:30. | |
well off. And that's a serious problem. You have a how old is your | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
daughter? She's four. And as lovely as it would be to be able to get out | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
in nature, and see the lovely birds in the trees, thele reality -- the | :35:40. | :35:47. | |
reality is we don't live near somewhere. When we can get out we | :35:48. | :35:51. | |
do, but it has to be day out that is planned and a lot of thought put | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
into it. Do you feel deprived because you are not exposed to | :35:56. | :35:59. | |
nature? It is not something I really put much thought in to. Do you think | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
your daughter is worse off because she is less exposed to nature? She | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
has everything she needs at home. She is not sitting at home in front | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
of the television, she is doing things at home, we do get out of the | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
house, just not necessarily running through fields. It does make a | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
certain amount of instinctive sense? If what David is saying is parks are | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
nice, we didn't need a whole film to tell us that, we have a great urban | :36:23. | :36:25. | |
movement for parks. It was interesting seeing the little boy. | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
His circumstances in there were pretty much exactly the same as my | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
father's were in the East End in the 1920s and 30s, that hasn't changed | :36:35. | :36:38. | |
much. So if the proposition is let as give people a range of possible | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
opportunities to enjoy different things, I'm in favour of it. What I | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
can't stand is the notion that some how we are deficient parents. At one | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
point in the trail of the film David says his children's generation will | :36:51. | :36:53. | |
be the first generation to die earlier than their parents. They are | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
not David, that is completely nonsense. That will not happen. | :36:58. | :37:00. | |
Unfortunately I won't be around to be able to bet on it with you. But | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
if I were I would take a substantial bet. There is no evidence of that. I | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
have seen actual assessments suggesting that may well be the | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
case, it is not necessarily affected that they are doing with what Eve is | :37:14. | :37:16. | |
doing there and playing on a screen. She looks a healthy child? She | :37:17. | :37:20. | |
clearly is, but probably has a good balance of what she is doing. What | :37:21. | :37:23. | |
we are trying to say is there ought to be some sort of balance between | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
screen time and wild time. If you can change a bit of the time you | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
spend on screens and switch it out for a little bit more wild time, it | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
is likely to do you good and make you healthier. This idea that some | :37:36. | :37:41. | |
how the urban child is at a disadvantage, that doesn't seem to | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
be the case, some of the kids we met making the film, some of the best | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
kids connected to nature were urban children. The RSPV report suggests | :37:49. | :37:55. | |
that some rural children are less connected, they are faredied in cars | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
and social media all the time because they can't connect. Do you | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
think this is a bit boring? Sometimes. This conversation, this | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
issue, do you think it is boring? I think you meant the iPad. Sometimes | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
I get bored of the iPad eventually. Do you? ? Do you go outside then? | :38:13. | :38:20. | |
Yes. There we are. Can I ask do you have a guarden? Yeah. That is | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
another issue we don't have the garden and don't have the | :38:25. | :38:26. | |
opportunity to go out and see the worms and bugs and things like that. | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
We go to the park and when we do it is the playground that the time is | :38:31. | :38:34. | |
spent in not the grass and trees. So the urban child doesn't get as much | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
opportunity to get out. Also we are being sold something here, let's | :38:41. | :38:43. | |
face it. There is a complete conflation between outdoors, nature, | :38:44. | :38:46. | |
the two things are not the same and then the wild. There is nothing wild | :38:47. | :38:52. | |
about what you are suggesting. Urban kids see squirrels all the time, in | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
a sense that they are wild, but we are not in the wilderness and not | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
wild in that way. If what you mean is that a bit of greenery cheers you | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
up a bit, I completely understand that. But in so far as the | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
proposition is a kind of guilt proposition on parents. In your film | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
at one stage you go past the Apple store, shouting at people on a | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
loud-hailer saying stop buying your kids iPads and take them outdoors. | :39:22. | :39:26. | |
We could really do without that hectoring. I had run out of money | :39:27. | :39:32. | |
for campaign so I moved to guerrilla tactic, including. There is a huge | :39:33. | :39:42. | |
amount of natural symbols encouraging us to trust things, and | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
very little is done to sell us nature. Is it wrong that apple have | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
an apple? He very much appreciates that we are sitting on the wooden | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
chair, hand crafted earlier this week by the editor of news night. He | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
has to have some main talent, obviously. Do you feel that there is | :40:01. | :40:07. | |
anything real about this issue? You feel obviously the absence of the | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
opportunity is this a real issue? You are a student teacher? I am a | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
student teacher, I believe there is some element of truth in it. If you | :40:17. | :40:22. | |
do, sorry, if you do spend your whole day in the house you start to | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
feel depressed, it is nice to get out to the countryside, you feel | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
better. I don't think, as David said, it is going to make us | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
deficient if we don't get out into the wild every single day. It is | :40:35. | :40:38. | |
nice to get out sometimes. I don't know if it is unwealthy to not do it | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
all the time. Do you think this campaign will have any effect at | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
all? There is about 300 organisations who joined up to | :40:48. | :40:50. | |
encourage children to get out doors more. Including the National Health | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
Service and various mental health charities. All of whom see benefits | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
for various reasons, health benefits, mental health benefits. | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
Lots of schools now have got forests systems going on. That seems to | :41:05. | :41:07. | |
really encourage children to learn in a more effective way. Why don't | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
we consentrate on that, these things like lots of other things we do Co | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
Do, music and so on are fun and good things to do, why couch it in terms | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
of spurious statistics about people's mental health and strange | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
disorders we created, especially for the moment that create a sense of | :41:26. | :41:31. | |
guilt amongst people who are quite often doing their best and don't | :41:32. | :41:34. | |
really relate. I would query loot of the things that you were -- query | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
quite a lot of things you were saying about the evidence. | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
Briefly respond to that? The evidence is clear, I really strongly | :41:42. | :41:50. | |
disagree. Have you won yet? No, I wasn't playing a winning game! | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
Thanks any way. As we all know, because the | :41:56. | :41:58. | |
newspapers tell us every day, alcohol will kill you, as will salt, | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
coffee, red meat, buns and more or less anything or possibly they can | :42:04. | :42:06. | |
all be good for you in the right doses. Just about everything gives | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
you cancer or heart attack, if one could only live without eating and | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
drinking at all, how wonderful it would be, possibly without reading | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
at all. We asked Michael Mosley, one of the few qualified doctors in this | :42:21. | :42:28. | |
tatty trade to give us a guide. There is a lot of confusion about | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
which foods are good for you and which are bad for you. Part of the | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
reason for that is there is a lot of studies that are really quite | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
flawed. A decent study is one called a Prospective Cohort Studio. You | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
take a group of people who don't have a disease, you test them and | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
follow them for a long period of time and you see what happens. When | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
you do that sort of a study then you get some big surprises. | :42:54. | :43:01. | |
Now for 40 years we have been told that saturated fats like butter are | :43:02. | :43:06. | |
bad for us, when they did a prospective cohort study they found | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
there is very little evidence that saturated fats lead to heart | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
disease. Margarine on the other hand, which | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
starts out as a liquid sunflower oil and has to be turned into a solid, | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
that processing leads to something called transfats, it turns out that | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
they are the villain. So given a choice between butter and margarine, | :43:29. | :43:37. | |
I personally opt for butter. I like the taste of smoothies, and that's | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
because they are incredibly sweet. In a survey done of 52 commercial | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
smoothies they discovered that 41 of them had more calories and more | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
sugar in them than you would find in a Coca-Cola. The other problem with | :43:53. | :43:55. | |
smoothies is once you take the fruit, you remove the peel and fibre | :43:56. | :44:01. | |
by mashing it up, well you have got rid of most the benefits. You would | :44:02. | :44:10. | |
be far better off eating fruit. Without a doubt this has been one of | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
the Government's most successful campaigns. The problem is fruit and | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
vegtables good food, yes, but lots of other things didn't get included | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
in the five-a-day. For example when you get a processed food where it | :44:25. | :44:30. | |
says one of five-a-day. Yet that contains huge amount of sugar and | :44:31. | :44:37. | |
salt. There have been conflicting studies | :44:38. | :44:40. | |
but I think the evidence is quite strong that if you reduce the amount | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
of salt in your diet that will reduce blood pressure and therefore | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
your risk of having a stroke. The problem is just getting rid of the | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
salt dispenser is not going to be enough. Because there is lots of | :44:53. | :44:56. | |
added salt all around. Even things that don't taste salty like bread | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
and muffins. There is, however, one piece of good news. | :45:02. | :45:09. | |
Coffee has something of a bad boy image, because down the years it has | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
been blamed from everything from heart disease to cancer. When they | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
did a prospective cohort study, they found that coffee seems to be good | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
for you in all sorts of ways, not least of cutting your risk of | :45:24. | :45:29. | |
suicide. It seems something like caffeine acts as an antidepressant | :45:30. | :45:34. | |
and boosts neurotransmitters in your brain that give you a "feel-good | :45:35. | :45:43. | |
factor". That was rather useful, Dr Michael Mosley, back tomorrow night | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
on BBC Two in his series on health matters, , Trust Me I'm A Doctor. | :45:48. | :45:56. | |
Now the That's all from us tonight, before | :45:57. | :46:33. | |
we go we were treated today to the results of David Cameron's latest | :46:34. | :46:36. | |
happiness survey, it reveals that Londoners, surprise, surprise, are | :46:37. | :46:40. | |
the most miserable and anxious people in the country. One of our | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
producers wondered if Beano, the Newsnight clown, might be able to | :46:46. | :46:47. | |
help? The mobile phone is more interesting | :46:48. | :47:11. | |
than me. Londoners must be happy. | :47:12. | :47:26. |