28/10/2013 Newsnight


28/10/2013

Newsnight reveals an exclusive story - tune in for the details. Plus Iran's secret war in Syria, storm St Jude and Rufus Wainright on Lou Reed. With Jeremy Paxman.


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Good evening. The woman sacked after the Baby P

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case will get a small fortune in a secret payout deal, Newsnight can

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reveal. Go The head of child protection services at Harringay

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Council will get a ?600,000 legal payout, some of it from Central

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Government simply because the proper hoops weren't jumped through before

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Ed Balls announced her sacking. A defender of Sharon Shoesmith and

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one of her Parliamentary critics are here to count the cost.

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These pictures show Syrian rebels ambushing and killing what they

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assumed were government forces. It turned out their opponents were

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Iranian Revolutionary Guards. What were they doing there?

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St Jude brings four fatalities and knocks over trees, but in the end

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doesn't cause the chaos that was predicted. Did we over react?

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And we remember Lou Reed in all his charm. I don't like journalists. I

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despise them. Mainly the English, the pigs.

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His friend Rufus Wainright explains his unique contribution to music and

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pop culture. You will remember the killing of

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Peter Connelly - Baby P as he was called. He died after being injured

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for months while theoretically under the supervision of Haringey social

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services in London. There was great public disquiet, and in the furore

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afterwards, the head of Children's Services, Sharon Shoesmith, was

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sacked. The Appeal Court later ruled that she had been unfairly

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dismissed. Now Newsnight can reveal that Ms Shoesmith, who has not

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worked since losing her job, is to be paid hundreds of thousands of

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pounds of public money in compensation. Allegra Stratton has

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the story. Sharon Shoesmith always thought it was wrong that she learnt

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of her sacking from the television. To ensure venerable children in the

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borough are properly protected. I have directed Haringey Council

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totted to appoint Mr John Cofflin as Director of Children's services.

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In 2011 the Court of Appeal agreed with Shoesmith. It ruled that her

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removal from office by the then Children's Secretary, Ed Balls, and

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choux myth's employers, Haringey Council had been unfair. Now, two

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years on, she is to get compensation. Newsnight understands

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that Sharon Shoesmith has settled for one source says is over

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?600,000. Haringey Council will meet the lion's shares of this, but the

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Department for Education will dump up some of it, but the whole deal is

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controversial. Haringey Council has also imposed a confidentiality

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clause on the deal. It means the exact sum can't be disclosed. When

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contacted by Newsnight, one Government source said the Secretary

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of State for education, Michael Gove, was furious at the

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confidentiality clause. He is said to think it is indefensible. Baby

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Peter Connolly died despite being seen 60 times by social services,

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police and health services. The child's body had 50 injuries

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including a broken back and broken ribs inflicted by his mother.

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After the trial, an Ofsted report found failings in Sarn Shoesmith's

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-- Sharon choux Smith's department. Ed Balls had not given Shoesmith a

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chance to respond to the report and contravened procedure. My sorrow at

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the death of Peter Connolly while I was director is something which will

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stay with me for the rest of my life. But as the judges said, making

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a public sacrifice of an individual would not prevent further tragedies.

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Since then, she has unable to find work and has had to claim benefits.

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When Shoesmith won her case in 2011 Ed Balls maintained that even had he

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given her a chance to respond, he would have made the same decision.

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He is joined by politicians on all sides of the House who believe

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ministers must have the right to act quickly and that public servants

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should be held accountable. The current Government looks like it

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will pay for Shoesmith's sacking by televised press conference, but on

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this occasion, you are unlikely to hear them crow about it.

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With us now is Ray Jones, Professor of Social Work who is writing a book

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on the Baby Peter case; and Charlotte Leslie, Conservative MP

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and member of the education select committee which grilled Sharon

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Shoesmith in 2010. Do you understand how angry many members of the public

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will be at this news? I understand that people should be angry about

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what happened to Peter Connolly. He had a terrible life and those people

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who worked really hard to protect were not successful in doing that. I

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understand the anger... But do you understand... I understand the DJ

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that's been done to our child protection system as a consequence

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of that anger. Do you understand how angry they

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will be at the fact that hundreds of thousands of pounds of public money

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are being given to Sharon Shoesmith? I understand the anger, but as I

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said, my real concern is what is happening to the child protection

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system and we have made it harder to protect children because of the

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blame culture that he we cre aid and the type of vigilante action.

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What do you make of this settlement? It is simple. You have got to ask

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what responsibility means? When she was in her position, Sharon

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Shoesmith got a very large salary. Showing leadership means showing

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when something goes wrong, you take responsibility and make yourself

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accountable. The thing there most people are angry is that

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whistle-blowers also lose their jobs, but a lady like Sharon

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Shoesmith walks away with a big pay-off and has not taken the

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personal option to take personal responsibility.

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But this is a who who she thinks will never work again? If she wants

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to perhaps make her chances of getting a job higher, it would be to

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demonstrate she understands what personal accountability and

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responsibility is about and say I was carrying the can. I was head of

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this department and I take responsibility. That would be the

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kind of person I would be more likely to employ than someone who

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says, "It was nothing to do with me. I am sorry about what happened. But

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it was nothing to do with me." We have seen this not only in care, but

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throughout the NHS as well. It seems endemic.

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It is the size of this payment. I mean ?600,000. The biggest pay-off

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last year for unfair dismissal was 236 thou. The average is about

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?10,000. And Rebekah Brooks got ?10 million.

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She was working for News International? When something goes

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wrong, there is a tragedy, we have 50 to 70 children in England who die

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because of abuse by their parents. We protect a large number of

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children very well, but it is getting difficult to get people to

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work in this job of protecting children, police officers,

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paediatricians and social workers because when something terrible

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happens, we get the blame we are hearing about today and who wants to

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put themselves in that position of doing a really hard job knowing when

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something terrible happens, they are out to get you.

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That's a fair point, isn't it? A blame culture is not the same as a

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culture where people take accountability and responsibility.

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There are whistle-blowers who are trying to raise the alarm. Who are

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trying to do things the right way. Kim Holt is an example. It is often

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the whistle-blower. The whistle-blowers are trying to raise

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the fact that there are concerns. Now that's not a culture of blame.

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Someone is saying the system is covering th stuff. If someone is at

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the top of an organisation covering stuff up and not performing properly

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and lives put at risk, that's simple accountability.

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Do you think it is as high as ?600,000? I have no idea. It is not

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a figure I heard before. I don't know whether it is true or not. The

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conversation we're having will do nothing to help us to protect

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children better in the future. It will make it harder for people to

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come into this business because they know as I say saying now, when

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something goes wrong, we might talk about accountability, but it feels

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like blame and that's my concern. Who wants to do a really difficult

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job when you know that when it gets really hard, you will be in the

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firing line? There is something of a lynch mob that comes into play at

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times like this? The way to protect patients in NHS and children is a

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system whereby people feel comfortable in coming forward and

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saying something is not right. I am not happy about the way the system

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is, working. I don't think that not whoeding people -- holding people

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accountable at top is. To say yes, I was leading a dysfunctional

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organisation. I myself voluntarily will do what most people would think

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to be the descent thing and then you don't get this lynch mob. People are

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angry because you have got someone who was earning a lot of money who

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is found to be at the top of an organisation that needed reform, was

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not doing that are her salary and says, "It is not my fault." The

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organisation was found to be dysfunctional after all the media

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attention was given and there was the hun cry. This organisation was

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found by Ofsted to be doing well. It was rated as good and Sharon

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Shoesmith's leadership was seen as positive. It changed quickly when

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there was a petition run by The Sun seeking sackings. We had a different

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picture about Haringey about that. I think there is an interesting point

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here. Often our inspectorate are not doing the right job either and

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people put ticking boxes before what is going on. So yes, inspectorates

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need to get better, but people at the top need to take responsibility

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for the organisations they head up. Thank you very much.

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Coming up: The legacy of Lou Reed. Inspectors

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supposed to be checking the Syrian government's stocks of chemical

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weapons have been unable to get to two of the sites they want to visit,

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it emerged today. Too dangerous, apparently. The war, meanwhile

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continues its barbarous way with Government forces said to have

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retaken a Christian town north of Damascus, part of which had fallen

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to the rebels a week ago. The United Nations representative supposed to

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prepare the way for peace talks reached the Syrian capital today.

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Lyse Doucet is there. So what can you tell us?

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Well, it is good news that he is back in the Syrian capital. He

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hasn't been here since December and that's a long time when you are

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trying to bring peace and an end to a war which changes shape every

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month, but when I interviewed him in January, he diplomatically said that

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40 years is a little bit too long as he put it for one family, the Assad

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family to be in power. He hasn't been back to Damascus since then.

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The fact that he is here, indicates that President Assad maybe willing

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to give him a hearing or a message. The problem is few in the opposition

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want anything to do with President Assad and even though there is a lot

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of talk about a conference that will take place next month, 23rd

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November, most of the powerful renegades said it would be an act of

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treason. The main opposition groups haven't made up their minds and

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President Assad says he will run for the elections next year. You can't

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want peace more than the parties for the conflict want it.

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Is there any sign of who is inwithing the war? -- winning the

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war? No one is winning and no one is losing and no one has been able to

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inflict the fatal blow to turn the tide. It is very difficult to say

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who controls what percentage of the dertry, but the most reliable

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figures I have seen from good sources is president Assad's forces

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have lost 60% of Syria, but on the 40% they control, they control most

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of the population and they control one of the main prizes in this war

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and that's this capital Damascus. Since I was here a few months ago,

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there are more checkpoints in the city, but it is relatively quiet as

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was the last visit than it was say six months ago. The Government feels

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very much in control in what is called the bubble of Damascus. A

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different picture in the suburbs which are burning and at least one

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suburb people are starving. They haven under siege. Someone told me

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today, you can't get a peace of bread into some of those

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neighbourhoods and the UN agencies have been calling for an end to the

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siege, but the Government very much feels it has the upper hand and part

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of the confidence comes from the chemical weapons deal which means it

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averted a US military style strike and it has powerful friends

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including Iran and Russia which are arming Assad and standing by him.

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Thank you very much. From the outside it seems that most

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of the world is lined up against President Assad, the regime makes

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capital out of the fact. Yet we have evidence that foreign forces are in

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Syria fighting alongside president Assad's men. Yalda Hakim reports. A

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year ago the rebels in Syria seemed to have the upper hand.

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But something has changed. Syrian Government forces are being

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bolstered by Iran. If there is one country that is interfering in

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Syria, it is Iran. When this secret footage shot by an Iranian fell into

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rebel hands, the truth about the ayatollah's secret war in Syria was

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revealed for the first time. A Government air base near Damascus in

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Syria. S boarding the helicopter flight is this man, a 30-year-old

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film-maker from Iran. It is his second trip to Syria and he is on a

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sensitive assignment. He is making a film on behalf of Iran's elite

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Revolutionary Guards. In September a group of Syrian rebels contacted the

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international media saying they captured a video camera after a

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battle. They said it contained footage which proved their long

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stated allegation that Iranian forces were on the ground in Syria

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and supporting the Assad regime. Raeds The captured footage came from

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a camera. It starts in some proregime military facility in

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Aleppo. The signs in Arabic warn people not to take any photographs

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on their mobile phones. But such restrictions do not seem to apply to

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the cameraman. The soldiers are Iranians. As are the troops and the

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cleric in the prayer hall and this is a communications room. A very

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sensitive location. The radio operator is Iranian too. He tries to

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engage him in conversation, but the man seems uncomfortable being

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filmed. This is the first time all the material shot by Iranian

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film-maker has been pieced together. It is likely that it was never

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intended for public broadcast, but was some internal Iranian

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Revolutionary Guards project because when you watch the footage, it

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becomes obvious that despite their repeated denials, Iran is secretly

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playing a critical role in helping turn the tide of the war back in

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favour of the Assad regime. It is not surprising to me in Syria Iran

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has given training both to the regular Syrian armed forces and to

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paramilitary groups and the paramilitary groups may out last the

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Assad regime. It is one way that Iran keeps its options open even if

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Assad falls, Iran will have a force that's committed to it.

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Back on the ground in Syria. The man sitting on the right-hand side is

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the main character in the film. Relaxed and humorous, he

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nevertheless has a very ideological view of the Syrian conflict and

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Iran's role in it. The footage shows the Iranians

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training and organisationing a new grouping known as the national

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defence force. The national defence force is a network of pro-Assad

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militias. They are loyalists all of whom fear the consequences of a

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Sunni Muslim rebel victory. But it seems the NDF are not just being

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trained on the ground in Syria itself.

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But the Revolutionary Guards aren't just providing training. According

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to sources, their role is a very hands on one.

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The sun rises over Aleppo. But this will not be a peaceful day.

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Reporting are coming in that a force of rebel fighters is moving in on a

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nearby regime stronghold known as the poultry farm near a pla called

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Talazan. The unit gets reinforcements from

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the local NDF that Englishia they are training.

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There is no considerate driving style now. This is a military

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emergency. The two truck loads of fighters head to the poultry farm

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base as fast as they can. There are about 40 fighters gathered in this

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base including at least one other squad of Iranian military advisors.

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All these men know an attack is coming. The squad is led out of the

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poultry farm base on a mission to secure the reasoned flank of the --

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right-hand flank of the battlefield. At first glance, this Iranian led

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group looks well equipped for a fight. Then there is movement on the

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horizon. What the Iranians can't see is there are more than three rebels.

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What you are seeing now is footage filmed by the rebel's own cameraman

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as their fighters advance towards the combat zone. They outnumber the

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squad and have heavier weapons including a tank. The Iranians are

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heading into an ambush. With bullets supplies slicing

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through the corn field and mortar rounds, the group is pinned down.

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The others try to retreat. But it is too late. These are the last images

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filmed. Two days later, Revolutionary Guards

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commander is buried with military honours in Iran. It is final

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confirmation of his important role in the Revolutionary Guards.

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And this is one of the members from the Syrian war. He never made it

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home to his wife, or three-year-old daughter. Even after all this, the

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Revolutionary Guards continue to deny their activities in Syria.

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The story shines a light on to Iran's covert war in Syria, but the

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Iranians are not the only foreigners interfering in the Syrian conflict.

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With weapons and fighters now pouring in on both sides, there is a

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very real danger that this crisis will spin further out of control.

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You can see a full half an hour version of that report on Our World

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on the BBC News Channel on Saturday and Sunday evening at 9.30pm.

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He was the elusive figure rarely photographed behind David Cameron's

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canny media strategy. She was the flame haired executive to exchanged

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text message with her friend and neighbour, Cameron. That was how the

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Associated Press ne agency explained two of the people in the dock at the

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Old Bailey today. Eight people are on trial on charges arising out of

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the phone hacking affair. Steve Hewlett has dainty feet. How big a

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deal is this case? It is bill. Eight defendants after a two year police

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inquiry. Charging relating to phone hacking, corrupt payments to public

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officials and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice which relates

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to allegations that boxes of documents were removed from News

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International. Not all eight are charged with all of them, but all

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eight are denying the it charges against them, but by way of scale,

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the prosecution opening is due to start tomorrow afternoon and last

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for two days. It is reckoned the prosecution case in total could last

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until Christmas. And the case overall is scheduled to last until

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next Easter. Until Easter? It is big. Yes,

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Easter. Some big institutions involved? Yes, when you look at it.

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This is the first time the public will get to hear in detail what it

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is alleged occurred and there is big players and big institutions with

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skin in this game. You might say. So you have got the press. You are busy

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fighting the post Leveson settlement, the atmospherics that

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are going to come out of it and you have got the Metropolitan Police

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looking on anxiously. This is a case that they declined to investigate

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until forced to it. You have got the political class, David Cameron, made

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the big speech after the Milly Dowler revelations which led to the

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News of the World being closed who said, "We the political class had

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turned a blind eye." And there is Rupert Murdoch and his company

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turned inside out by the whole thing. Costs of half a billion,

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suggestion from one senior executive secretly recorded sometime ago, that

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it could be ?1 billion. There is this trial to Easter. There are

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other trials going on reckoned to be the end of 2015 and then brewing

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nastily in the undergrowth is and the fact that News International,

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News Corporation have been told they are suspects in an ongoing inquiry

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into a corporate criminal liability. Corporate criminal liability?

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Corporate criminal liability which will have the FBI sniffing around

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it, but means that if the company were to be found guilty of that,

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they become criminally liable. For Rupert Murdoch, it really couldn't

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be much worse and the stakes here really are very high, indeed. I

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should say all eight of the defendants on trial now deny the

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charges. One of the most enigmatic and

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influential figures in pop music is dead. Most of us would probably

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recognise Lou Reed's Perfect Day, but you certainly couldn't measure

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his significance in sales. Lou Reed said he didn't give a damn about his

:29:45.:29:48.

legacy except he used a much stronger word than "damn". Much of

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his music was almost unlistenable to. But for all that he could

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genuinely have the word "legendary" attached to his name. Stephen Smith

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has five things you didn't know about Lou Reed. Because we are

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saluting Lou Reed on Newsnight, we have decided to break with tradition

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and feature a man being grumpy on camera! Is that a good opportunity?

:30:15.:30:21.

What do you mean authenticity from whom? It is funny having someone

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from TV asking that question. It is like the lowest medium there is.

:30:25.:30:39.

The velvet Underground in one of their first appearances. We haven't

:30:40.:30:46.

got to the end of the effect they had on rock'n'roll. It is like that

:30:47.:30:54.

famous early Sex Pistols gig in Manchester. Everyone supposedly

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there went into the music business, but without Lou Reed there may not

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have been any Sex Pistols. # Plucked her eyebrows on the way

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# Shaved her leg # She said take a walk on the wild

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side # I said honey, take a walk on the

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wild side. # Reed sang about he being a she, that

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was from life. Reed said his parents made him have electric shock

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treatment as a boy to cure homosexual urges. You are a man of a

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few words, why is this? I have little to say. Do you like press

:31:57.:31:58.

interviews in general? No. Lou Reed put the pop into pop art

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and it was the art he was really interested in. He was a friend and

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associate of Andy Warhol. Lou Reed saw himself as a writer. It is a

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little known fact that Lou Reed toppled communism, not on his own.

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# Just a perfect day # Drink sangria in the park." When

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Prague was behind the Iron Curtain, underground albums inspired

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reformers not least their leader and their movement was dubbed the Velvet

:32:56.:33:04.

Revolution. #

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just a perfect day. # # Feed animals in the zoo #

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On tour, in fancy hotels, Lou Reed would find himself sleeping on the

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floor because of a bad back as he used to do through lack of funds

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when he was just starting out. Ill health became a problem. Four months

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ago, he had a liver transplant claiming, "I am a triumph of modern

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medicine." It was aironic. -- ironic. I don't like journalists. I

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despise them. Why? They are disgusting. With the

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exception of you! With the exception of tu! -- of you! Mainly the

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English, the pigs. It might have gratified Lou Reed to

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see how those journalists toiled to praise him today.

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The singer Rufus Wainwright was a friend of Lou Reed. He joins us from

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Seattle. When did you first meet him, please?

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Well, I actually met Lou before I made my first album. I was a waiter

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at a restaurant in New York City, the Lion's Head and he was my first

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ever customer! And I was very afraid and he ordered French toast with no

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butter. What was he like as a human being?

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As a friend? Yes. Of course, there is a lot of talk about his, you

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know, grumpy nature and his critical outlook and slightly, you know,

:34:52.:34:57.

negative ambiance, but really behind that, he was such a kind and gentle

:34:58.:35:04.

and soleful man. -- soulful man. Part of the reason he might have

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been so pug nacious, it was a defence mechanism. Like a great

:35:20.:35:23.

chocolate or something, he was hard on the outside and very, very soft

:35:24.:35:27.

on the inside. So he was a lovely guy.

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Is it possible to be precise about what his contribution to music was?

:35:32.:35:38.

Well, I think, I mean, you can never, he invented cool in terms of

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the music industry and when I say cool, I mean real cool. I am not

:35:48.:35:52.

talking Elvis cool or Marvin Gaye cool, I am talking about completely

:35:53.:35:58.

cutting edge. Completely, I don't know, just the coolest kid in the

:35:59.:36:06.

class and so I think, you know, much like someone like other people from

:36:07.:36:12.

that era, he just, he cre critted a benchmark -- created a benchmark.

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But this was not just a question of style, was it? I mean he had

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encountered cultural terms, I guess, a political stick about him, didn't

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he? Yes. He seemed to - he was not - he didn't believe in full hit.

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Whether it was a political party or, you know, or a social movement or

:36:50.:36:56.

art or anything, he just told it as he saw it and it was always

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opinioniated and very, very refreshing, but, you know,

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disturbing as well if you were on the other side of that, you know,

:37:04.:37:07.

pointed argument. What was he like to work with? He

:37:08.:37:15.

was hell to work with! Utter hell. At the end of the day, we would get

:37:16.:37:19.

it done. We did a few shows together. We did Christmas shows

:37:20.:37:25.

together. I had to sing Blue Christmas with Lou. He with had to

:37:26.:37:30.

do one song and the last time we did this and it took three hours to get

:37:31.:37:39.

what he wanted! Why? Oh, I don't know. He enjoyed torturing, you

:37:40.:37:44.

know, the musicians and doing it over again and then, of course, when

:37:45.:37:49.

we got up to do it on stage, it was completely different. I don't think

:37:50.:37:51.

he wanted anything set and the minute people started to get their

:37:52.:37:55.

heads around something, that was when it was time to throw the wrench

:37:56.:37:59.

in it! Which is great. Do you have a favourite song of his?

:38:00.:38:08.

Well, I mean, I was listening a lot to Pale Blue Eyes recently and also

:38:09.:38:18.

there was a song that I loved. I can never remember the title, but the

:38:19.:38:29.

one that starts, "Because if you close the door." Can you sing us a

:38:30.:38:34.

phrase or two? I will sing you a little bit of it, sorry!

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I am going to take from the bridge down to the end.

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# Shiny cadillac cars # People on subways looking grey

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# Other people look well in the dark # If you close the door

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# The night could last forever # Leave the sunshine out and say

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hello to never # All the people who dance and they

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are having so much fun # I wish it could happen to me

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# Because if you close the door, I would never have to see the day

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again # I would never have to see the day

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again # One more time

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# I would never have to see the day again #

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Thank you very much indeed. Good night. Thank you.

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Thank you. Farewell then, Jude.

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Trains were halted for a bit at least. One should not take too light

:39:58.:40:02.

of it because there were several tragic fatalities, but St Jude

:40:03.:40:06.

didn't cause the mayhem we were warned about. Perhaps the reason

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that we got off lightly compared to the great storm of 1987 was because

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we were well warned. Zoe Conway reports.

:40:18.:40:22.

Storm Jude arrived as predicted. It hit the south-west of England at

:40:23.:40:30.

around midnight. Hurricane Force winds moved north-east wards. It

:40:31.:40:34.

caused death and injury and cut power to hundreds of thousands of

:40:35.:40:40.

homes. But because of advances in science and technology, this storm

:40:41.:40:44.

didn't take us by surprise. It is 3am here in Exmouth, but this storm

:40:45.:40:51.

has only got going. It is an unusual weather event when storms cross the

:40:52.:40:56.

Atlantic, they burn themselves out, but this one kept on going. Falling

:40:57.:41:02.

trees proved deadly. The bodies of a man and a woman were pulled from the

:41:03.:41:08.

wreckage of their home. It exploded when a tree fell on to the gas

:41:09.:41:12.

mains. A 17-year-old woman was crushed to death when a tree crashed

:41:13.:41:19.

on had to her caravan. A bus was also toppled injuring the driver and

:41:20.:41:28.

several passengers. At this Devon county council incident room, they

:41:29.:41:34.

watched Storm Jude's every move. We have had a report of a tree falling.

:41:35.:41:43.

It is a large tree. Hundreds of cameras monitored the

:41:44.:41:49.

roads and the rivers. Twitter provided rumours and facts about the

:41:50.:41:56.

damage the storm was causing and there were meteorological maps.

:41:57.:42:01.

Tracking the storm as comes in and the intensity as well. We will keep

:42:02.:42:05.

an eye on it. We have guys on the ground who are also eyes and ears.

:42:06.:42:12.

Travellers out there would be seeing trees falling. Maybe some isolated

:42:13.:42:16.

flooding. They will be passing that on. When they get that information

:42:17.:42:24.

in here, we contact our local agents and they can send teams tout to deal

:42:25.:42:30.

with it. We might have to close roads.

:42:31.:42:34.

Six days ago, storm Jude didn't exist. Yet here at the Met Office in

:42:35.:42:40.

Exeter, they knew it was coming and accurately predicted its path. This

:42:41.:42:44.

is where the storm started. As it came towards the UK it really began

:42:45.:42:50.

to develop strongly and brought some strong gusts of wind across the

:42:51.:42:55.

southern half of the UK especially where we have this hook of cloud and

:42:56.:42:58.

now it is tracking in towards the North Sea and going towards the low

:42:59.:43:03.

countries and northern Germany where we will see strong winds, if not

:43:04.:43:06.

stronger winds than we have seen across the southern UK this morning.

:43:07.:43:11.

The science and technology has been transformed since the Great Storm of

:43:12.:43:17.

1987 which the weathermen failed to warn us about. Behind me is the Met

:43:18.:43:21.

Office's super computer. It is like a giant calculator. It takes the raw

:43:22.:43:27.

weather data out there like temperature, air pressure and

:43:28.:43:32.

humidity. Gravity, the laws of motion and it does its sums at a

:43:33.:43:38.

rate of 100 trillion calculations per second.

:43:39.:43:44.

It is so much better than it was those years ago. It enables us to

:43:45.:43:49.

have a detailed picture of weather over the world at any particular

:43:50.:43:53.

time. Then the scale of super computing which allows us to analyse

:43:54.:44:01.

the satellite da data. So in 30 years, in any technology, you would

:44:02.:44:05.

expect a lot of change. 30 years in meteorology has been a world of

:44:06.:44:09.

difference. Because of the accuracy of the

:44:10.:44:13.

forecasting, emergency workers in Devon were ready. The highway has

:44:14.:44:17.

been proactive this evening. They have come out and they are clearing

:44:18.:44:22.

away which is great. They were out within five minutes of us calling

:44:23.:44:28.

them. They have been really good clearing the drains and any of the

:44:29.:44:33.

issues that we have had. But this was still a deadly weather

:44:34.:44:37.

event. Science might be able to predict the weather. The authorities

:44:38.:44:42.

might feel they can organise and manage it, but we can't control it.

:44:43.:44:48.

Before we go, we return to our main story, the financial settlement

:44:49.:44:54.

reached between Haringey Council and Sharon Shoesmith, the head of

:44:55.:44:57.

children's services sacked after the Baby Peter case. The payout we

:44:58.:45:05.

understand involves six figures. We have learned the figure reflects the

:45:06.:45:11.

total payment and Ms Shoesmith may receive a lower sum.

:45:12.:45:16.

The Sun has news that Jimmy Savile's driver, who was due to appear in

:45:17.:45:25.

court has been found dead. The Daily Mail, mother's agony, a report of

:45:26.:45:31.

one of the unfortunate fatalities caused by the storm.

:45:32.:45:38.

And the Daily Mirror goes with some of the unfortunate stories of what

:45:39.:45:41.

happened as a consequence of the storm.

:45:42.:45:44.

That's it. Emily is here tomorrow. What may turn out to be the last

:45:45.:45:49.

poem written by the great Irish poet, Seamus Heaney who died in

:45:50.:45:58.

August has been published. It is called In A Field. It pictures

:45:59.:46:15.

a soldier returning from the war. The actor Gabriel Byrne read it for

:46:16.:46:19.

us. And there I was in the middle of a

:46:20.:46:22.

field. The furrows once called "scores"

:46:23.:46:24.

still with their gloss. The tractor with its hoisted plough

:46:25.:46:26.

just gone. Snarling at an unexpected speed out

:46:27.:46:29.

on the road. Last of the jobs.

:46:30.:46:31.

The windings had been ploughed, furrows turned. Three ply or four

:46:32.:46:35.

round each of the four sides of the breathing land to mark it off and

:46:36.:46:39.

out. Within that boundary now step the

:46:40.:46:42.

fleshy earth and follow the long healed footprints of one who

:46:43.:46:49.

arrived. From nowhere, unfamiliar and de-mobbed. In buttoned khaki and

:46:50.:46:56.

buffed army boots. Bruising the turned-up acres of our

:46:57.:46:59.

back field to stumble from the windings magic ring and take me by a

:47:00.:47:06.

hand to lead me back. Through the same old gate into the

:47:07.:47:10.

yard where everyone has suddenly appeared all standing

:47:11.:47:11.

Newsnight reveals an exclusive story. Plus Iran's secret war in Syria, storm St Jude and Rufus Wainright on Lou Reed. With Jeremy Paxman.