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Trust me I'm a spy. Put as baldly as that it may not carry the ring of | :00:00. | :00:09. | |
complete confidence, but that was in essence The pitch of the three most | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
senior officials today as they appeared before a group of | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
politicians. They say this man's revelations about | :00:19. | :00:36. | |
politicians. They say this man's a profit. Is it a business or a | :00:37. | :00:38. | |
bubble? As the Commonwealth RDZ itself to | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
meet in Sri Lanka, we hear from Tamil who is say they have been | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
raped and tortured by Sri Lankan authorities as recently as this | :00:47. | :00:56. | |
Kensington and Chelsea, welcome to some of the most real estate in | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
Britain. Are parts of this country like nothing so much now as another | :01:03. | :01:10. | |
country. Desbanker, banker, banker, and I can't tell them apart, they | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
have the wives that go like this and a motorcycle that they put their | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
children in. The skinny women! MI five and GCHQ testified thus | :01:17. | :01:47. | |
before a Parliamentary Committee today. We have to take their word | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
for what they say has occurred, which itself rather points up the | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
problem of trying to maintain political surveillance on | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
intelligence surveillance. We eavesdropped on it all. It has | :01:59. | :02:20. | |
taken a long journey out of the shadows to something like shadows. | :02:21. | :02:27. | |
Successive chiefs and DGs of MI6 and MI5, fought a rear guard action | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
against coming into the light. Clearly openness is something that | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
we're moving down the road on. It is now over 20 years that we have | :02:38. | :02:56. | |
we're moving down the road on. It is demonstration, I believe, of the | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
Government's commitment both to the need for the sort of intelligence | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
that we can provide and their confidence in the service as it now | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
is. The MI6 boss spoke on the record, | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
but off camera. I was at that press conference 20 years ago and | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
incidentally we journalists haven't had another chance to cross-examine | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
heads of MI6 and GCHQ on the record since then. But the thing that | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
really sticks in my mind about that meeting was the degree to which the | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
heads of those agencies thought they could limit their public exposure, | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
they didn't want to be photographed, and they thought that the new | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
commitmenty being established at that time, and which -- committee | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
being established at that time and that met again today could be kept | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
out of any scrutiny of their operations. Today | :03:48. | :04:07. | |
out of any scrutiny of their hindsight we were not configured in | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
2001 for the scale of the terrorist threat that this country faced after | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
9/11. Our people weren't trained for it, we didn't have the experience | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
for it or the resources for it. It took us some time to adapt to the | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
scale of the threat we faced. This committee was set up 20 years ago, | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
but its powers have expanded considerably. Even so there were | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
signs today that the recent disclosures about the extent of | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
electronic surveillance came as news to some members. | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
We weren't ware of the intricacies, whilst we appreciate a lot of this | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
is a very confidential nature and the co-operation that you have with | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
other -- aware with the intricacies, we appreciate a lot of this is very | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
confidential the co-operation you have with others. Can we have a | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
commitment that you will give us the e-mails of the vast majority, | :04:58. | :05:18. | |
that would not be proportional or legal we do not do it. It would be | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
nice if terrorists or criminals used a particular method of communication | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
and everybody else used something else. That is not the case. It would | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
be very nice if we knew who all the terrorists and serious criminals | :05:30. | :05:38. | |
were, but the Internet is a great way of making those anonymous. The | :05:39. | :05:45. | |
moves towards making MI5 more open, and were prepared to make occasional | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
speeches but not cross-examined. Secret organisations need to say | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
secret, even if we present an occasion public face as I am doing | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
today. Today they showed they also learned the value of a public | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
platform, launching attacks on those who had published Edward Snowden's | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
revelation, alleging grave damage to national security. The | :06:08. | :06:26. | |
lapping it up. We have seen terrorist groups in south Asia and | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
other places discussing the revelations in terms of the | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
communication packages they use and they wish to move to. There are | :06:34. | :06:44. | |
budgets to justify too, MI5 has twice the people it had at the end | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
of the Cold War, and justifies why it thinks that is right. Since 7/7 | :06:50. | :06:57. | |
there have been 34 plots against this country at all sizes and | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
stages. I have referred publicly and my predecessors have that one or two | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
of those are major plots aimed at mass casualty that have been | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
attempted each year. The hearing ended with many feeling they heard | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
the start of a conversation that will now go on in closed session. | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
The accountability question likewise has | :07:20. | :07:37. | |
The accountability question likewise the word of the Intelligence | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
Services on trust? Well it is part of a democracy, and it is why it is | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
so important as I was saying in the Guardian earlier this week. That we | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
built trust in the system. Because once people lose that trust then | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
they are not just sceptical, which is healthy, but they become cynical, | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
which isn't, because then they would preclude the Security Services from | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
being able to develop the measures in taking on new technology and | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
rapid change in the use of new technology which will save us from | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
all sorts of threats including cyber. | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
But you also suggested in that article that we needed a breath of | :08:17. | :08:24. | |
scepticism. What did you mean? I believe that we need to challenge as | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
ministers and in believe that we need to challenge as | :08:28. | :08:47. | |
you ever feel you were misled during your time at the Home Office? I felt | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
that there were times, I have to be very careful here there were times | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
when the enthusiasm for doing the job, the commitment, sometimes | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
overrode judgment which is why, although politicians are rarely | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
trusted, it is important to have politicians asking the kind of | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
questions that you would expect to ask yourself, Jeremy, and the public | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
would ask of themselves. And on many occasions we had robust discussions | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
and sometimes I was persuaded and on occasions I wasn't Do you think on | :09:23. | :09:29. | |
some occasions you might have been persuaded too easily? I think there | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
is danger when you come into a serious job like home or Foreign | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
Secretary, that you come in, serious job like home or Foreign | :09:37. | :09:57. | |
have had the case overstated to you or you have been misled. I think | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
there is always a danger in public life that case is overstated to make | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
a point. A case is overstated because people are so committed, | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
they are so carried away with what they know that they want you to | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
believe. We're all occasionally guilty of doing this. In something | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
as important as the security of our country you have to believe that | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
these people know what they are doing but something as important as | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
civil liberties and our rights, you have to be prepared to ask the | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
awkward question when it would be easier simply to go along with it. | :10:36. | :10:43. | |
Do you aDWREE with the head of MI six I6 that what -- MI6 that what | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
Edward Snowden disclosed will six I6 that what -- MI6 that what | :10:47. | :11:06. | |
example who it should be that makes the final judgment on such sensitive | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
material. Should it be even the most well informed and sensitive editor | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
of a newspaper or should we have a better system within the democratic | :11:18. | :11:27. | |
political agreen Take That allows -- arena that aLOETS that -- allows | :11:28. | :11:35. | |
that to take place. With people like you and the intelligence agencies, | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
the cards haven't been dealt evenly, there will be a point in the | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
conversation where they could say to you "you will just have to trust | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
us"? I think there will be occasions and when you err on the side of | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
caution and caution would be back to that preset that the first and most | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
fundamental that preset that the first and most | :11:57. | :12:17. | |
disposal. These are such difficult delicate issues that I think the | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
debate is a good one. But the solution has to be something better | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
than people stealing material and then presuming that they know best | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
in terms of what should be put in the public arena. David Blunkett, | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
thank you. With us now is Sir Francis Richard, | :12:37. | :12:43. | |
former director of GCHQ, the Guardian columnist, Simon Jenkins | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
and Hazel Blears, former counter terrorism minister. Francis | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
Richards, were you one of those whose enthusiasm and commitment | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
overrode your judgment? I didn't think so. There is no purpose to | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
having secret intelligence agencies if they don't tell the truth to | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
power. That is what they are there for. Ever come a point in a | :13:06. | :13:07. | |
conversation then certainly, I confessed. But you | :13:08. | :13:26. | |
were happy in principle to tell them virtually everything you knew about | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
your suspicions on the basis of your evidence? Yes, that is what we are | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
there for. Hazel Blears did you know, as a member of the | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
intelligence oversight committee did you know the extent of GCHQ | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
surveillance in Britain? Yes, I would say that the committee did | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
have a broad understanding of what the capabilities of GCHQ were. And | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
do you judge that was all right? We have been looking at them for threy, | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
we have been on several visits. We have had very confidential briefings | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
about what the capabilities were and obviously we were satisfied that | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
they were operating within our legal framework. The question I put to | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
Iain Lobban today was quite a tough question, I asked him to guarantee | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
that he wasn't conducting any operations that weren't covered by | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
the British legal framework and he gave | :14:18. | :14:34. | |
the British legal framework and he what they can do and what they were | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
doing, in terms of being able to select information. The point that | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
was made sod is they could collect that information but in order to go | :14:43. | :14:45. | |
further and look at content or data they have to have a target set of | :14:46. | :14:48. | |
people of interest. So the rest of the population are not people of | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
interest. You knew about Tempora then? We didn't know the names of | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
these projects and I'm sure the exact same situation applies in | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
America. In terms of broad capabilities we did. We also heard | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
that Iain Lobban confirm that when we are in private session and we | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
meet every single week in private session he certainly will go into | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
more detail both about the damage that has been done and also about | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
the broad capabilities as well. In that case you knew precisely how big | :15:17. | :15:22. | |
a sham the communications data bill was, didn't you? No, the | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
Communications Data Bill was about trying to put on a | :15:27. | :16:10. | |
keep the data you can't interrogate it. Do you think if the committee | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
knew what was going on why didn't they tell you? More to the point, | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
this is the biggest lapse in intelligence security of our | :16:20. | :16:26. | |
generation, since the war, it is a colossal lapse. That is not the | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
point, I'm asking about oversight? The claps was oversight, you would | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
assume someone would have said you distribute | :16:38. | :16:55. | |
assume someone would have said you Francis you at least accept had it | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
not been for Edward Snowden and those disclosures we wouldn't see | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
those three people before a Parliamentary Committee? I don't | :17:04. | :17:05. | |
think that is necessarily right, I don't think it would have happened | :17:06. | :17:07. | |
today but that is the direction which things are moving. The | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
position of the agencies has changed enormously in the last ten years, as | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
the chief security threats to this country have become covert. That | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
means that they have moved from the rear of the country's defences into | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
the front line. They cannot operate without trust and that trust is | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
going to demand a much closer relationship both for them and the | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
oversight with the public. The reason why I stayed and did this, | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
Edward Snowden was not a disloyal enemy of security, the reason he did | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
it is he simply saw his bosses lying to Congress over and over again. The | :17:46. | :17:47. | |
monitoring system to Congress over and over again. The | :17:48. | :18:04. | |
unbelievably lucky that he didn't put it all on the Internet or give | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
it to an enemy. He gave it to a newspaper and they have published | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
less than 1% of the material. You are perfectly happy that a newspaper | :18:15. | :18:17. | |
editor is competent to judge what may or may not be safely made | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
public? In this case, every story is matter of trust on the part of the | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
editor. In this case a tiny percentage of it was considered in | :18:27. | :18:29. | |
the public interest, it was all shown to security officials before | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
it was published, a lot was deDAKTed as a result of that. It was as | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
precise an exercise as you could have performed. What is your | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
analysis? I think Edward Snowden has placed the information in places | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
where it was inevitable. It has been given wider circulation by those | :18:48. | :18:54. | |
capable of accessing it. Do you think the newspapers acted | :18:55. | :18:56. | |
responsibly in this case? Can I think the newspapers acted | :18:57. | :19:15. | |
the act. For the first time we have powers to go into the agencies and | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
look at their documents and see primary intelligence materials. | :19:20. | :19:21. | |
Oversight is never going to be perfect, but actually it is an awful | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
lot more stringent than it used to be. | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
GCHQ were boasting in their own documents that they had an easier | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
life as they were concerned than the Americans were having. That is what | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
they call the unique selling proposition of GCHQ service, they | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
were selling to NSA, they were utterly insecure. It is insecure. | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
Francis Richards how worried were you by Edward Snowden's disclosures? | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
Very worried. Intelligence only works if you can do things that your | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
targets, those who threaten national security don't know you can do. If | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
you put out a huge quantity of what you have | :20:07. | :20:07. | |
you put out a huge quantity of what never going to leak? I'm not | :20:08. | :20:26. | |
responsible for American oversight and nor is the Intelligence and | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
Security Committee. I don't think we are talking about that. All of your | :20:32. | :20:34. | |
material was accessible to NSA, they had access to the material and were | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
clearly unable to keep it safe. That in my mind is the security threat? | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
We are talking about British oversight here, not about American. | :20:42. | :20:47. | |
How secure is this information that you have not in the Guardian | :20:48. | :20:55. | |
disclosed? It is locked in a room. It is locked in a room is it? It is | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
not in the keeping of Glenn Greenwald. No, it is locked in a | :21:02. | :21:09. | |
room. Where? In America. Are you certain? Yeah. Why is Mr Greenwald's | :21:10. | :21:16. | |
partner flying around the world with a computer | :21:17. | :21:34. | |
partner flying around the world with catastrophe, not the Guardian's | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
fault. Given a good story I think we did the most responsible thing we | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
did given a good story is to work out which was in the public | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
interest. Which is what we did do. You have this information, it is | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
your problem? To that extent you are right. And you are asking us to | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
trust you that you will make a sensible judgment in the best | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
interests of people w are the sworn enemies of others to whom this will | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
be used? We are safer custodians of it than GCHQ and NSA were. Almost a | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
million people had access to this material, the wicky leaks has access | :22:10. | :22:18. | |
for -- Wikileaks has access to it. A man flying around the world with a | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
computer full of the most secret information that there is to have, | :22:23. | :22:24. | |
with password on a piece information that there is to have, | :22:25. | :22:47. | |
effect en Clair. What do you make of the judgment, many would say the | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
Guardian did act responsibly in deciding not to release everything? | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
You heard from Iain Lobban today that he has evidence, direct | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
evidence of groups of terrorists who would seek to harm our country, now | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
discussing the specific revelations and how they might change their | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
operating techniques to evade scrutiny in the future. He has | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
promised in a private session he will give us more information about, | :23:15. | :23:17. | |
that the actual evidence we can see, and I very much look forward to | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
being able to drill down into that. I think this is matter of major | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
concern for the country, if groups are seeking to evade our scrutiny | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
then that could result in harm. This is a cat and mouse game all the time | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
with the technology, the terrorists with the technology, the terrorists | :23:36. | :23:59. | |
changing the way they behave. I wasn't very surprised, it shows GCHQ | :24:00. | :24:09. | |
is doing its job. Were you worried, distressed? It seemed to confirm | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
what the most alarmist reports indicated? It confirmed what one | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
already knew to be the case. It would be very surprising if, given | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
the scale of the revelations that have been made, our enemies were not | :24:22. | :24:28. | |
making arrangements to use more secure methods of communication that | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
they don't think we can access. Do you think, Simon, we are ever going | :24:34. | :24:40. | |
to get to a point where you can have and we can get beyond saying you are | :24:41. | :24:43. | |
just going to have to trust me on this? It is like a haystack, we | :24:44. | :25:03. | |
just going to have to trust me on want your society to surrender all | :25:04. | :25:06. | |
its PRIFies and freedoms in the interests -- PRIF sees, and in the | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
interests of stopping not that many terrorists. How many lives do you | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
think it is worth? It is not world war that could break out? It could | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
be a very serious terrorist incident? It is not a world war that | :25:20. | :25:35. | |
will break out a very serious terrorist incident? It is not a | :25:36. | :25:37. | |
world war that will break out. Ruby Wax rubbishes the neighbours. It is | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
a cat and mouse game, how rich are you? Represents of the Governments | :25:42. | :25:48. | |
of the Commonwealth meet next week in Sri Lanka to discuss good | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
governance, democracy and mutual aid. Those worthy values seem to | :25:54. | :25:55. | |
many of those aid. Those worthy values seem to | :25:56. | :26:16. | |
distressing images and some of the interviewees names have been changed | :26:17. | :26:25. | |
NIER protection. This is what the Sri Lankan Government wants you to | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
see, an Indian Ocean paradise recovering from decades of war. | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
But there is also dark side to this beautiful island. Four years after | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
the conflict ended terrible things are still going on. I have now | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
collected compelling evidence from 12 people, both men and women who | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
say they have been raped in decontinuation by members of the Sri | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
Lankan security forces this year. It is impossible toor rob rate every | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
detail of each person's story, but I have spoken to doctor, seen medical | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
reports and in some cases people have been granted asylum in Europe | :27:03. | :27:03. | |
on the In 2009 the Sri Lankan army slushed | :27:04. | :27:53. | |
-- army crushed the Tamil Tigers. They used child soldiers and | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
assassinated prime ministers and Presidents. The United Nations | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
accused the Government and tigers of committing war crimes and crimes | :28:03. | :28:09. | |
against humanity in the final months of the war. Acoring to the UN, up to | :28:10. | :28:16. | |
70 thou civilians were killed, the majority | :28:17. | :28:16. | |
70 thou civilians were killed, the photographs, believed to have been | :28:17. | :28:36. | |
taken by Government soldiers at the end of the war appear to show dead | :28:37. | :28:43. | |
Tamil women. The UN said these images demonstrated a strong | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
inference that rape or sexual violence may have occurred either | :28:48. | :28:54. | |
prior to or after execution. It is rare for Tamil women to talk about | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
sexual abuse. But with no hope of justice, some women are now starting | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
to speak out in the hope of stopping this happening to others. To our | :29:03. | :29:09. | |
knowledge this is the first Tamil rape survivor to recount her ordeal | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
in public. Nandini says she was abducted and raped this year. But it | :29:16. | :30:27. | |
is not just women who talk of sexual abuse. Ravi says he was forced to | :30:28. | :30:31. | |
join the Tamil Tiger rebels for the last six months of the war. Before | :30:32. | :30:33. | |
being detained for nearly four years last six months of the war. Before | :30:34. | :31:15. | |
ex-rebels. Stories like these are only emerging now, because it has | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
taken years for former Tamil Tigers, like Ravi to escape abroad and be | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
able to speak out. We found six Tamils in the UK who also alleged | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
torture in the rehabilitation programme. Four of them have | :31:30. | :31:31. | |
Government documentation to prove they were in the camps and | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
independent medical reports establishing torture. This British | :31:37. | :31:43. | |
doctor has seen many Sri Lankans branded | :31:44. | :32:02. | |
doctor has seen many Sri Lankans former rebel was detained and badly | :32:03. | :32:05. | |
tortured, right in the heart of the capital. He has official documents | :32:06. | :32:07. | |
to prove where and when he was held. His doctor says he will never fully | :32:08. | :33:22. | |
recover. Seva himself despairs of ever getting justice. We shared the | :33:23. | :33:29. | |
evidence in this film of on going rape and torture with a leading | :33:30. | :33:36. | |
British lawyer. The cases you have gathered are striking in that they | :33:37. | :33:41. | |
have common features in relation to how the victims are picked up, what | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
happens to them, particularly there is evidence of cigarettes being used | :33:47. | :33:52. | |
to burn the victims in order to get compliance. And basically to carry | :33:53. | :33:58. | |
out torture. The use of cigarettes has long been held to be within the | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
definition of torture. So there is absolutely no dispute upon that. | :34:03. | :34:23. | |
definition of torture. So there is looking at them being referred to | :34:24. | :34:24. | |
the International Criminal Court for further investigation. We asked the | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
Sri Lankan Government for a response. The High Commision in | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
London said it was not fair to expect them to respond fully to | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
allegations contained in anonymous testimony. Their written statements | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
suggested our interviewees could have been paid to discredit Sri | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
Lanka or even tortured in the past by the Tamil Tigers | :34:46. | :34:57. | |
Next week Prince Charles, the Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
will be in Sri Lanka for the Commonwealth meeting. Canada is the | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
lone voice of dissent, its leaders boycotting because they say they are | :35:09. | :35:11. | |
not in the business of accommodating evil. | :35:12. | :35:12. | |
In a statement to the BBC evil. | :35:13. | :35:33. | |
on the BBC News channel this weekend on Saturday and Sunday evening at | :35:34. | :35:40. | |
9.30pm. Twitter shares put on sale, market goes nuts, there in 140 | :35:41. | :35:45. | |
characters is the story of what happened on the New York Stock | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
Exchange today. It often seems everybody is on it, Twitter has yet | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
to make a profit. That didn't put off buyers, and soon the cost of a | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
single share had getting on for doubled its price. Don't anyone | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
mention the dotcom bubble or the Dutch TU little mania of 1637. | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
Gillian Tett won't or she might. Can you understand it? I think many | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
people would think what happened today is completely bonkers. | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
Basically Twitters' shares have doubled. The market cap is bigger | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
than Yahoo, Time doubled. The market cap is bigger | :36:22. | :36:44. | |
global equity markets awash with cash from central banks and you | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
don't actually have that many companies who have a good growth | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
story to tell. The story of Twitter is incredible. Not only do so many | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
people use it, it is a story of a bunch of scrappy entrepeneur, who | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
used innovation and came back from failure to build a great story, it | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
is a kind of story that American investors love to look at. That is a | :37:05. | :37:08. | |
fable, it is not a profit base? It is a future Hollywood film I'm sure. | :37:09. | :37:18. | |
Can these returns ever be justified? Well the Twitter team, the current | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
CEO said he's looking at acquisitions and getting very savvy. | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
Using advertising to try to build a revenue stream. One of the big | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
questions is are people who use Twitter going to accept having | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
advertising coming into their messages or not? | :37:35. | :37:52. | |
bubble? I think the more important parallel is actually with the IT | :37:53. | :38:00. | |
bubble. The DT combubble? -- the dotcom bubble? You had a lot of | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
shares growing rapidly and there was hype and excitement, many companies | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
later suffered badly. More recently though you can look to companies | :38:09. | :38:15. | |
like Linkedin and they have had a good run and cop TRAS with Groupon | :38:16. | :38:21. | |
and Zing who had excitement at the start and didn't deliver. It is | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
whether people will be willing to let advertisers use their data for | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
those on Twitter. Would you? Only time will tell. I won't answer that | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
question! Thank you very much. Now a story from one of this country's | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
ghettos, it has been revealed that the poor, and that is undoubtedly | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
the wrong world, the poor people of the borrowing of Kensington and | :38:43. | :38:44. | |
Chelsea are -- the borrowing of Kensington and | :38:45. | :39:03. | |
tax may not bother the natives and Russian royal barons of the borough. | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
But as we discovered the property market in London has created an | :39:08. | :39:18. | |
extraordinary neighbourhood. Hings like tax may not bother the natives | :39:19. | :39:20. | |
and Russian royal barons of the borough. But as we discovered the | :39:21. | :39:23. | |
property market in London has created an extraordinary | :39:24. | :39:24. | |
neighbourhood. Welcome to Britain's very own Monoco. This is the London | :39:25. | :39:26. | |
Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, home to some of the richest people | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
in the world. More likely second, third or fourth home. Many of them, | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
like in Monaco, pay very little tax. They mix with each other but they | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
don't engage much with the wider society around them. And here in | :39:41. | :39:50. | |
Knightsbridge property prices at ?2400 per square foot have caught up | :39:51. | :39:52. | |
with Monaco. The average price of ?2400 per square foot have caught up | :39:53. | :40:12. | |
take was bigger than Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, the | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
north-east, the North West, Yorkshire and the Humber put | :40:17. | :40:22. | |
together. There has been a massive influx of intnational buyers, they | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
are coming from all over the place, the breath of the range of different | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
-- breadth and range of nationalities is greater than it has | :40:31. | :40:33. | |
ever been. Property prices are so high in this part of London it has | :40:34. | :40:42. | |
become become hollowed out, only the very rich or council houses are | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
moving in. The ones who aren't super-rich are those who have lived | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
there a long time. This is the new Beverly Hills, who would have thunk. | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
It started off as coach house, there is no eccentrics now, they got rid | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
of those, it is banker, banker, banker, I can't tell them apart. | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
They have the wives with the hair that goes like this | :41:04. | :41:22. | |
They have the wives with the hair annual income in the borough ?128 | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
,000 is the highest in the country. Here in Notting Hill in the north of | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
the borough, it used to be full of bohemium and artistic types, now it | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
is choc full of bankers and the shops that service them. You can | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
spend ?3 on a loaf of bred here. You can buy it cheaper round the corner | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
in Portabello Market and the stall holders there remember the area the | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
way it used to be. This was a real poor area, real poor. People were | :41:52. | :41:58. | |
fighting in them days to get out of this I can't remember. Now they are | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
fighting to get into this I can't remember. I was born 100 yard up the | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
road from here in the little mews. And mum and dad and my sister we | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
used to live in a little mews flat there. Dad used to pay | :42:12. | :42:31. | |
their fruit on-line and they are in a fruit market. There is no | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
community now. Where there is a shortage of space and lots of demand | :42:38. | :42:43. | |
people have to build. In Monaco they are building up in ever-higher | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
skyscrapers to the fury of many locals. | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
# Down Down # Deeper and down Here in Kensington | :42:53. | :42:59. | |
and Chelsea they are digging down, creating huge basement, sometimes on | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
many levels. I have been given a sneak preview of this house in one | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
of the swankyist squares in Knightsbridge, on the market for ?11 | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
million. The owner has dug a sub-basement below the existing one | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
to house another sitting room and what estate agents now like to call | :43:20. | :43:21. | |
"a media room". But some people what estate agents now like to call | :43:22. | :43:43. | |
should contain into a small, narrow London terraced home. Some of these | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
are called "icebergs" because they have more below ground than above. | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
Under another house in the same square they are digging a huge | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
sub-basement. The hole is so big you can see it on Google Earth. As in | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
Monaco the neighbours of the basement diggers are incanned | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
desSANT, the endless drilling, the dust the lorries are driving them | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
mad. I only know drill, I have had silicone implants not to hear the | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
drilling. It is a competition who can build low Er. It is about -- | :44:19. | :44:28. | |
lower. It is how rich are you, some are hitting the crust of the earth. | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
More than half of residents were born | :44:34. | :44:51. | |
More than half of residents were -- to London, the capital has low | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
taxes on expensive house, less than half of New York's and a third of | :44:57. | :44:59. | |
Hong Kong's. And some of these houses are barely lived in, their | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
owners see them as investments. Even if they do live here full-time, a | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
lot of them don't have much stake in society. They tend to avoid state | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
schools and the NHS and public transport. Some of them even club | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
together and hire private security guards to patrol their streets. It | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
is as if they are living in a bubble separate from the rest of us and | :45:20. | :45:22. | |
only mixing with other extremely rich people. So what affect does | :45:23. | :45:29. | |
this have on the the area they live in. Dorling is a doing fee -- Danny | :45:30. | :45:37. | |
Dorling is a goingy prove yes, sir SOR and has been studying that. The | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
rich don't see much back for their taxes so don't like to pay them. The | :45:42. | :46:01. | |
rich don't see much back for their just social, the area has been | :46:02. | :46:03. | |
hollowed out physically too, with all the giant sub-basements being | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
dug, there is a honeycomb of holes under the clay under Kensington and | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
Chelsea's seats. You can almost imagine the disaster movie ending as | :46:15. | :46:18. | |
the borough collapses into a sink hole of its own making. | :46:19. | :46:29. | |
That's it for tonight, the short list for the least wanted writing | :46:30. | :46:35. | |
award, the Literary Review's Bad Sex Award was announced today. Unlike | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
last year when our late Economics Editor was gutted not to win for his | :46:41. | :46:47. | |
depiction of bonking on horse back. Not even Mark Urban have been | :46:48. | :46:50. | |
nominated. We are tipping this book. Not even Mark Urban have been | :46:51. | :47:13. | |
with mine remains. We streak like superheroes past suns and Solar | :47:14. | :47:23. | |
System, we dive through shoals of atomic nuclei, in our breakthrough | :47:24. | :47:31. | |
to the fourth star statisticians across the universe rejoice. | :47:32. | :47:35. |