21/11/2013 Newsnight


21/11/2013

The women held as 'slaves' in a London house for 30 years; the privatisation of probation; the Tories' image; and the trouble with lifts. With Victoria Derbyshire.


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Somewhere in Lambeth in south London, the details of what

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detectives are calling an extraordinary case are slowly

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starting to emerge. The specific remain vague, police say details are

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being held back for operational reasons. What we do know is a couple

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both in their late 60s were arrested at that house in south London

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accused of keeping three women in a state of domestic slavery for

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decades. The victims, now in a safe place are said to be traumatised.

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The police are working out exactly what happened but say it is likely

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to be a long drawn out process. At a press conference at Scotland Yard

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the detective in charge of the case said the women all had controlled

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lives and spent most of it indoors, but did have some limited freedom.

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We have established that all three women were held in this situation

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for at least 30 years. They did have some controlled freedom. The Human

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Trafficking Unit of the Metropolitan Police deals with many cases of

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servitude and forced Labour. We have dealt with cases where someone has

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been held for ten years but never this long before. It was a number of

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documentaries like this one on forced marriages that appeared to

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trigger this news. One of the women in the house called the Freedom

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Charity after seeing it. Police found her location and all three

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women escaped. It has now emerged that a 69-year-old Malaysian woman,

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a 57-year-old Irish woman and 30-year-old British woman were

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rescued from the house a month ago. The 30-year-old has spent her whole

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life in captivity. Officers are trying to establish whether she was

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born in the house. All three women were highly traumatised and taken to

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place of safety where they remain. They are in the care of a charity

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who deal with people who are deeply traumatised. These are deeply

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traumatised people and it is essential that we work sensitively

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to establish the facts in this case. Detectives say although they are

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aware of cases of people being held for up to ten years, they have never

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seen a case quite like this before. The Metropolitan Police's Human

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Trafficking Units receives reports of about 250 offences each year.

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People working on the ground say the figure is rarely reported and the

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real figure could be much higher. The Global Slavery Index estimated

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between 4,200-4,600 slaves in the UK. Detectives at the National Crime

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Agency think they encountered 2,225 potential victims of human traffics

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in the UK. Exploitation for sex and work were most common amongst

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traffiked People. Sex and petty crime for children. Campaigners say

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human trafficking as a whole has been overlooked for too long in the

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UK. The Government now plans to introduce a modern slavery bill next

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year to tighten up the law. I can't go into details because I don't know

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them, I can give you some clues, first of all I think slavery will be

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made an offence with life imprisonment. Two is we are going to

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have a commissioner, like an ombudsman who will be charged

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directly to the Prime Minister and the Home Secretary to find out

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what's wrong in this country and make a report every year to

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parliament identifying what can be done to improve it. As far as I'm

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concerned one of the most important things is going to be chasing

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traffickers. Only 11 convictions for trafficking last year. 11, in this

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country. OK there were other prosecutions but only specifically

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for trafficking. The movement to abolish the slave trade in the 18th

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century started here at this church in Lambeth. That was more than two

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centuries ago, and feels like ancient history. Campaigners say

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today's news is a shocking reminder that it isn't. We have the founder

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of the Freedom Charity, which was first contacted by one of the women,

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and helped negotiate their release. Frank Field is the chair of the

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modern slavery review. Tell us how the women are? They are very

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distressed about what's happened to them. But they are making steady

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progress and I have spent a great deal of time with them now and I

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think you know they are making as much progress as we can expect them

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to. It has been very, very difficult for them. One of the women managed

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to leave a message on your charity's 24-hour helpline? They spoke to one

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of our professionals at the other end of the phone who realised the

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seriousness of the call and immediately we started very

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sensitive negotiations with the ladies about how we would manage to

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get them out and manage their escape. What did she say in that

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first call? The first call was actually saying that she had been

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held against her will, and said it could, over 30 years she had been

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held, and then it was a drip by drip kind of process of her revealing

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information, and she just had one point of contact within the charity.

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And it was pre-aranged when she would call and how it was done. It

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was done very sensitively, I'm really fraud of Freedom Charity for

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the work they have done over this. The woman was able to use a mobile

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phone or landline? She was able to use a phone but in a secret way. The

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people in the house didn't know she had that phone. You made

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arrangements to contact them when the owners of the house were out? It

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was done in a way so nobody would know they were on the phone. That

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had to be done in that way, it was very secretive to ensure they

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weren't putting any further danger on themselves at all. How alongside

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the police did you help these women escape? Basically it was a process

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of just over a week where there were lots of phone calls and they gained

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the trust of the charity and by doing that they felt confident

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enough to reveal enough information, and at this point we have contacted

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the police they have got involved as well. They were on stand by, it was

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a textbook rescue, they managed to walk out of the house. When the

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owners were not there, clearly. When nobody was around they managed to

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leave. You and the police were waiting for them? Yes, and we

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managed to get them to place of safety where they are safe and

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secure and they are getting everything they need right now. The

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long-term worry is how this obviously has affected them and what

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their futures will hold. They walked out with nothing? They have nothing

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now and as a charity we are trying to support them the best we can.

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What was that like when you first met them? It is incredibly humbling,

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they threw their arms around me and thanked me for the work we have

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done, and they met the person doing the initial negotiations with them.

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It was a very, very emotional time. When we got the message that they

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were outside the front door, the whole call centre erupted in cheers

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and there were tears and everyone was incredibly emotional to know

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that we had helped to rescue three ladies that had been held in such

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horrific conditions. Can you tell us about those conditions, what had

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they said been happening? They were held against their L the other

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details, because obviously it is -- their will, the other details

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obviously pending the trial, we have to be careful. In London you

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wouldn't expect this to be going on, but it does happen. Let me bring you

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in on that point, do you think this is part of the problem, we don't

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really understand what slavery is in this country? No, we were talking

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earlier about 200 years ago most people thought it was acceptable and

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slaves were in shackles. And the great campaign was to change public

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opinion that it wasn't acceptable. Now, apart from those who deal in

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this evil trade the rest of the country I would think would be

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appalled by thek cyst tense of this. What do you understand domestic

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slavery to mean? It is not just domestic slavery, there will be

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slavery in the sex trade, in labouring, in crime, in fraud and so

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on, which is highly organised, let's hope this is not actually part of

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one of those organised crime rings. Do you think this case emphasises

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the need for further legislation? I think when you had a clip earlier on

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from the police, they have made other statements saying what they

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are looking for in the Bill so it will be used better, without the

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uncertainties that there is at the moment. There is that angle but

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there is another important angle. Although it was 30 years in

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imprisonment this occurred in London. Where we have a dedicated

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group of policemen who are to fight and counter modern day slavery. They

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have spent quite a bit of time trying to build up contact and trust

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amongst non-Government organisations. Like the Freedom

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Charity which has been crucial. Now in other parts of the country there

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is not that trust. So there is both the importance of changing the law

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to make it more friendly to prosecution, and more friendly to

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the victims of slavery, but there is also the job of how do we change

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attitudes and policy that follows from that. One of the women who you

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helped rescue is 30. Was she born in that house? She spent all her life

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in captivity, basically. She was born there? We can't say if she was

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born there. But she has spent her whole life there and known nothing

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different. This is the first time she has had the freedom of movement

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in being able to use a phone and experience some basic things in life

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that all of us take for granted. Thank you both, sorry you wanted to

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say something, quick final point? Key point is that we began our

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evidence session its with victims of slavery and we will end with victims

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of slavery, already they have made this very powerful case to have a

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commission whose job is to raise public awareness. Of course there is

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a need to change the law and change how policy operates, but there is

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also a need for us to be more aware that amongst us, maybe not far from

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us are people held in slavery. Thank you. Still to come, eventually.

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Sometimes I press the button and I can see the lift coming but it goes

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right past me, why does the lift hate me. It knows other people have

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been waiting longer than you, what it is trying to do is minimise the

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waiting for everyone. The Government promised that privatising parts of

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the Probation Service would mean savings for tax-payers and new

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innovative ways of managing offenders in the community, while at

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the same time he pro-tectiing the public. A us -- pro-tectiing the --

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protecting the public. After a Newsnight investigation we have

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found that it is fraught with problems. Last year Serco won a ?35

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million project in London to manage criminals doing community service or

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payback. As we report, it is now seeming that the company can't

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always open. It is a difficult balancing act, helping offenders

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reintegrate while keeping the public safe. It is the role of the

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Probation Service to maintain that balance. But controversial plans to

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privatise parts of the service in England and Wales will threaten

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that, say critics. The first major area of probation work to be handed

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to the private sector has been in London, where we have discovered

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serious failings. In October last year Serco took over the programme

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for running community service across London in partnership with the

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London Probation Trust. We spoke to people inside Serco and the Trust

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and we have seen documentary evidence that raises concerns for

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the safety of the public, the welfare of offenders and the

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delivery of justice. The ?35 million contract Serco won means they now

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have responsibility for community service projects on the ground. The

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Probation Trust, which also tendered for the contract, still has

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responsibility for offenders, assessing risk, monitoring progress

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and imposing sanctions if offenders fail to comply with their sentence.

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The day-to-day supervision of offenders rests with Serco, it is

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this breaking up of the service that is causing concern. The Government

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ran a competition for community payback in London. It admitted bids

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from various organisations and ultimately Serco won with a

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sub-contract with London Probation Trust, the main problem is it was

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price competitive. Whoever bid and whatever the quality of the bids the

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cheapest would always win. Serco and London Probation came in the

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cheapest and now the cracks are starting to show. Newsnight has seen

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a series of e-mails from the London Probation Trust's issue log,

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offenders turning up to projects to find no superviser. Difficulty

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getting through to Serco's control centre and attendance records wrong

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and incomplete. Whistleblowers at Serco and the London Probation Trust

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blame 40% staff cuts for pressures on the service. In our opinion there

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are not enough projects or staff, the projects are oversubscribed and

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anything oversubscribed causes problems. This was the Government's

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blueprint for the future running of the Probation Service. They say the

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way community service was run before Serco took over, didn't always

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command public confidence. I will pay for success, I'm happy the

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organisations working with me do well financially, but only if they

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deliver results. The importance of keeping accurate records of

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attendance is crucial to the smooth running of the Probation Service, if

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an offender doesn't comply or fails in their community service officer,

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the probation officer only as a short window to get them before a

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judge. Without those documents the Probation Service can't help the

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court enforce justice. In August the database where offender records were

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stored and updated switched to a national database, during the

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changeover records couldn't be updated for a week. Instead paper

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records were kept, creating a backlog. We understand Serco

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promised to have this dealt with by the end of August. It wasn't. There

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was a backlog prior to that any way, obviously it did get worse, we did

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have a week with no computer system, we in probation have been expected

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to catch up with the missed work in that week. Serco just do not have

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the staff to do it. We have received documents showing that between the

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1st September and the 6th October, 1,362 records were not updated by

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Serco. The Ministry of Justice estimate that is there are around

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960 people starting community payback each month. It is not a drop

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in the ocean. There was a change in IT systems and because of the bid

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they put into the Ministry of Justice was so lean it doesn't

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provide for any contingencies at all. If there is a change of IT or

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you need extra resources they couldn't cope with it. This internal

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e-mail shows that Serco were so overwhelmed with the backlog of

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records, they asked London probation staff to assist with overtime. 362

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records were still out of date in October. It is difficult for

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probation officers to sanction offenders through called breach

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proceedings. With the breaches if people fail to offend they get two

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chances, the first time they get a warning letter, the second time they

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get a breach letter. We have to get that into court, into the

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prosecutors within eight days. That's the target. We're not getting

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the information on a lot of cases until possibly four, five days after

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they have missed. There are a lot of cases where there is no point even

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sending them back to court, because it is not going to go through the

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court procedures. This document shows since Serco took over the

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contract, there have been consistent complaints of inaccurate and late

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reporting, peaking in October this year. We have seen evidence showing

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that right up until last week information collected by Serco used

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to pend offenders back to court was incorrect. In a small number of

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cases we are aware of, offenders have been sent back to court or

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failing to do community service, only for it to be withdrawn or

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thrown out of court, because the information was wrong. We're finding

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it increasingly hard to enforce justice in these cases, because the

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quality of the evidence often isn't there. We have to be sure that if

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we're taking breach action against an offender that we have a robust

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case. We are relying on Serco instead of our own information, that

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information is often incomplete or late or of dubious quality. What's

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more we have seen e-mails suggesting that prisoners on curfew who have

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been electronically tagged may not have been monitored properly in one

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borough of London, raising questions as to whether probation officers

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knew where offenders had been. This is not part of the community service

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contract, but the e-mail suggests that Serco had been sending

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incidents of curfew breaches to the wrong mailbox at the probation trust

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from September to October. The Ministry of Justice say they are

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investigating. When Serco was awarded the contract last year, the

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Chief Inspector of probation said it would be regrettable if work done

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with offenders became fragments with more providers being involved. She

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warrant it could increase the potential for communication

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problems. The The one we are looking at is information accuracy and

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timeliness... We took our evidence to a former Chief Inspector of

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probation. What I have seen in your evidence is a pattern of inaccuracy,

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it is difficult to judge as to whether these are isolated cases or

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whether they are getting better or worse, but you have shown me

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sufficient material that it calls in, it raises serious questions. In

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my judgment there is a sufficient quantity of evidence here for

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someone to be taking a very close look at it. The evidence we

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discovered shows a private company has struggled to keep on top key

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information, and they haven't been monitoring some offenders properly.

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Those in the service say the breaking up of the community payback

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scheme in London has had real consequences for the delivery of

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justice. It comes as questions are already being asked about the

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Government's wider plans for the privatisation of the Probation

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Service. We contacted Serco they gave us this

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What are the implications for the Government's plans to hand control

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of Probation Services to more private firms and charters across

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the country. Joining me Sue Hall chair of the Probation Chiefs

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Association, and Max Chambers from the Policy Exchange think-tank. Sue

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do you think there is a problem? Clearly the Allegations we have

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heard are serious. It could be teething problems then? We are

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talking about a contract 15 months in and inherited from London

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probation trust as a going concern. Community payback in London is one

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of 35 community payback schemes and the Government's plans will see next

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year, not just 34 other community payback schemes, put out to

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competition, but actually a much wider array of work with offenders,

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probably about 70% of the case load that probation currently manages. To

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move into that order of competition on the basis of very little

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experience, very little evidence of the private sector being able to

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manage probation work, competently, in the community, feels rash. Do you

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think there is a problem? I'm not quite sure having just seen the

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video how much that shows us about the wider implications. It doesn't

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look like public safety was put at risk at all in the video. And what

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we can be sure of as far as I'm aware, London Probation Trust and

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the Ministry of Justice are pretty happy with the contract being run.

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If supervision is deteriorating of the offenders doing the community

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payback, potentially those offenders could be reoffending but no-one

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would know? I think people would know, I mean reoffending rates are

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published and are very transparent, published by the Ministry of

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Justice. But the superviser, circumstance co-won't know -- Serco

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wouldn't know? I don't think there is evidence of supervision

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deteriorating and Serco as far as I'm aware are meeting and exceeding

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their performance targets. I think it is difficult to draw wider

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implications about whether the Government's reform, about reducing

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reoffending not just about community payback, it is hard to draw those

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links on the basis of an investigation that was

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whistleblowers rather than the people managing the service. The

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head of the London Probation Trust hasn't given you an interview, I'm

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not sure if she's happy with the service. My understanding is MOJ and

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the London Probation Service are happy with the contract as it is

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run. It is with an efficiency of 37% as well as maintaining a good

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standard of service. If we talk about reducing reoffending, case

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loads supervised by the Probation Service at the moment have a good

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track record of reducing reoffending. We have seen rates come

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down over the last ten years. The rational of privatising the

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Probation Service isn't because probation is a failing service.

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There is a group of offenders within the system, the short-term prisoners

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that currently are not supervised. It seems that the Government has

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made the leap from need to go provide services from that Europe to

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dismantling the Probation Service in order to provide the funding to do

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so. That's a really huge leap, it is like bedding the farm on the throw

:26:38.:26:44.

of a dice, that by doing this massive outsourcing you will provide

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better result I don't think there is the evidence around it at the

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moment, to give us confidence that will be so. In terms of the evidence

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we have got two schemes that are running are payments by results

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schemes. The Government is setting a clear objective and saying if you

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cut reoffending we will pay you in full. If you don't we won't. That is

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the incentive that Policy Exchange and the Government have been talking

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about. One of those schemes in pet borrow, the reoffending results of

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the cohort are 50 lower than the national -- 50% lower than the

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national average. In Peterborough there is 15 months yet to run of

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that, very, very early results on a very small sample. Can I put the

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point that the NAPA representative made in the film, it is increasingly

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hard enforce justice. Do you accept that? I don't accept that, I don't

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think we saw from the IT issues that all probation trusts were having

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that there is necessarily an issue around enforcing justice that is

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exclusive to the private sector. I don't think that the investigation

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proved that at all. What we're talking about is not just the

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running of community payback but the running of probation supervision in

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the round. What the Government is saying that the Probation Service

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has not performed well enough in terms of producing reoffending. The

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Government isn't saying that? The Government has said that. The

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Government is saying that reoffending rates in relation to

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under 12-month prisoners are too high, whom the Probation Service

:28:20.:28:26.

doesn't supervise. They are suggest issing you do it in a different way,

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and this contract costs tax-payers' ?25 million. If you were to

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extrapolate from the costs of the London pay grabbing contract to how

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much you would say down the country you would be Shahhedly mistaken.

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There is -- you would be sadly mistaken. You couldn't make those

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levels of savings across the country. Plans for privatisation

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which are ill thought through, are being driven into quickly, that puts

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the public at risk. If you have 70% of the case load and talking 190

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,000, supervised by the private sector, models untried and tested

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where there are even teething problems will put the public at

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risk. I think the reforms are not being of A rushed way. There are

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thousands of offenders not getting correct supervision and people

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reoffending, we need reforms and we hope the Government will see them

:29:33.:29:36.

through. P tonight the Ministry of Justice released a statement, public

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safety has not been compromised in the delivery of this contract which

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has provided one million hours of offender labour for London. Serco's

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performance is improving month on month, they are meeting key targets

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and outperforming the national average. 80% of offenders are now

:29:56.:30:00.

successfully completing payback, # % above national average. All

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offenders are deeply assessed. July figures show 90% of breach cases

:30:09.:30:13.

were followed through by enforcement action by Serco. They are offering

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enough placements to meet court demands in London. With innovative

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ways of working there were some bedding issues at the initial stage

:30:24.:30:27.

we are satisfied these have been resolved. We have asked the

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probation trust to inform us where they have not received correct

:30:33.:30:35.

paperwork that may have brought breached action. We will follow that

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up with Serbing KOECHLT The Ministry of Justice holds contracts with

:30:41.:30:44.

Serco and G 4. S and their investigation is on going.

:30:45.:31:00.

How good a footballer was buy Lione Messi, top flight clubs are vying to

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sign up an eight-year-old from Argentina, he has been watched on

:31:06.:31:09.

social media from around the world. How can the sporting skills shown by

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a primary school child be any measure of what sort of a footballer

:31:14.:31:20.

he will be like as an adult. We have more. This is Claudio Nachafiel,

:31:21.:31:32.

from Argentina and eight years old. Top clubs around the world are

:31:33.:31:40.

fighting to sign him. And who can blame them. Prodigies have

:31:41.:31:46.

mesmerised the world for centuries. The idea of young children zapped

:31:47.:31:51.

with genius from birth. These kids from the Westway Sports Club in

:31:52.:31:57.

London are hoping to be the next big thing in football. Does preordained

:31:58.:32:05.

genius exist and why do so many called prodigies burn out. Ed Smith

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is a former England international cricketer. Expectation works against

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the enjoyment in sport, which is enjoyment and joy. Kids who mature

:32:17.:32:22.

too early in expressing their talent don't develop the psychological

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robustness to enable them to actually have that great career,

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that perhaps they seemed predestined for. That is why there is evidence,

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I think, that the late run can you preferable. In my own cricket career

:32:36.:32:40.

I saw lots of people earmarked for greatness, get gradually overtaken

:32:41.:32:44.

by people who were mentally better equipped for life at the top. These

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kids are aiming high and the coaches are hoping to produce the next

:32:53.:32:57.

sensation. Boys don't worry, heads up, come on. Of course some

:32:58.:33:04.

supertalents like Lionel Messi, signed by Barcelona at 13, and Tiger

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Woods, were standing out early. Others like Gary Neville flourished

:33:14.:33:16.

rather later. Development seems to have a range of different at that

:33:17.:33:24.

ject trees. Kevin Pietersen who plays his whatever number game, at

:33:25.:33:32.

13 he was an offspinner Number Ten who was struggling to get into a

:33:33.:33:35.

side in South Africa. There was nothing in his childhood that

:33:36.:33:38.

suggested he was going to become one of the great batsmen of the modern

:33:39.:33:43.

era. But it was his ability to make up his own mind and his ability to

:33:44.:33:47.

be self-taught and not to have a track record of people having

:33:48.:33:51.

tinkered with him too much, that enabled him, when he did, if you

:33:52.:33:56.

like, get seized by ambition, to actually be in an optimal position

:33:57.:34:00.

to make the most of it. Scouting operations have become increasingly

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sophisticated. Premier League clubs are scrutinising players, deploying

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data analysis and psychometrics on children as young as ten. The

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pressure is ratcheting up, on players and parents. You can have a

:34:14.:34:21.

10, 11, 12-year-old child who suddenly has up to that period had

:34:22.:34:25.

their parents to guide them. All of a sudden you have agents involved.

:34:26.:34:32.

You have got coach, you have got nutritionists and ologyists or

:34:33.:34:37.

whatever, they all have an interest in that child. It changes the whole

:34:38.:34:43.

dynamic. It goes from being something that is fun and enjoyable

:34:44.:34:51.

and something to kind of do with your friends to being a full-time

:34:52.:34:55.

profession. The temptation, all too often is to push too hard. But the

:34:56.:35:00.

danger is if the young footballer or violinist is practising not for its

:35:01.:35:04.

own sake but to please a parent or coach, they are far more likely to

:35:05.:35:08.

burn out. The key in psychological terms is for the young performer,

:35:09.:35:12.

the aspiring champion to care about what they are doing from the inside.

:35:13.:35:20.

Even more the super talented excellence is a long journey.

:35:21.:35:24.

Resilience is probably more important than early promise. But if

:35:25.:35:31.

prodigies retain their joy and with a bit of God fortune, anything is

:35:32.:35:40.

possible. David Cameron showed how much he cared about the environment

:35:41.:35:47.

in 2006 by cavorting with huskies. The Hundred reports that David

:35:48.:35:53.

Cameron has told aides to "get rid of the green crap", is this the sign

:35:54.:36:00.

of David Cameron the moderniser or the right-wing populisim. We have

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our guests with us to discuss this. What did Mr Cameron mean? That he's

:36:06.:36:10.

realising that the priorities he outlined back in 2006 aren't really

:36:11.:36:15.

relevant now and the green stuff has become a lot more expensive and

:36:16.:36:19.

causing real pain in people's household budgets. His aim as Prime

:36:20.:36:24.

Minister is to get cheap not green energy. He has made this choice. Are

:36:25.:36:27.

you worried about the shift? It doesn't sound to me like the sorts

:36:28.:36:32.

of worse that David Cameron uses, it sound much more like Linton Crosby.

:36:33.:36:38.

You have to remember that there is nothing unconservative about

:36:39.:36:42.

spending a small sum of money and helping the oldest and poorest to

:36:43.:36:46.

insulate their homes. It is Conservative to support injuries

:36:47.:36:50.

thriving throughout the recession, and now beg bigger than the car and

:36:51.:36:58.

telecoms industries combined. Anti-green is antigrowth. In an age

:36:59.:37:03.

where politicians are not trusted, it would be mad for one so known for

:37:04.:37:08.

green policies to do a bolt. David Cameron is not very coherent? It is

:37:09.:37:13.

when the facts change. You change your mind. The energy debate has

:37:14.:37:17.

transformed since he got on the husky dogs a while ago. American is

:37:18.:37:22.

cutting down its carbon by going for fracking, we should do that here.

:37:23.:37:26.

Has it transformed because of what Ed Miliband said about freezing

:37:27.:37:30.

energy prices? He was able to call out David Cameron and his energy

:37:31.:37:35.

policies for jacking up bills. That is completely unacceptable, of

:37:36.:37:40.

course Ed Miliband's bill but David Cameron is realising he has been

:37:41.:37:44.

mugged by reality. The experience of Government has led him to revise

:37:45.:37:49.

what was plan for getting elected, didn't quite work. In office he's

:37:50.:37:53.

pivoting back, it is not so much moving to the right but to the

:37:54.:37:58.

people. thepeople. 'S pragmatist? No, what you are seeing is he has

:37:59.:38:02.

come under a lot of pressure from UKIP and certain sections of his own

:38:03.:38:06.

party. There has been a reductive tendency within Government, which is

:38:07.:38:10.

to go for the old fashioned policies that failed in the past under Hague

:38:11.:38:16.

and Michael Howard, which is a narrow and fearful agenda which is

:38:17.:38:21.

alienating young people and female voters, it isn't recruiting ethnic

:38:22.:38:27.

minorities. If he's dropping the "green crap" won't that chime to

:38:28.:38:31.

voters rather than undermining them?. It is undermining growth, why

:38:32.:38:35.

would you do that because it makes no sense whatsoever. People are

:38:36.:38:39.

worried about bills at the end of the month. One of the failures they

:38:40.:38:42.

have is to tackle the big corporates. We have a problem with

:38:43.:38:46.

capitalism in this country, not because there is too much, but there

:38:47.:38:51.

is too little. We have crony capitalism able to get away with too

:38:52.:38:54.

much. It is failure of regulation and complete myth to think that

:38:55.:38:58.

these ideas are saying to concern energy which are very, very

:38:59.:39:02.

conservative are the problem. That is the myth. Green policies have run

:39:03.:39:09.

Germany into the found, it wasn't the same as we thought it was, we

:39:10.:39:14.

does what any politician would do, chining his mind and quick. Is it a

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vote winner? It is, he is giving help to those who need it most. The

:39:25.:39:29.

polls show where they are at the moment isn't working. The polls show

:39:30.:39:34.

if you reduce a lot of things like this and you appeal to the moderate

:39:35.:39:41.

basis little it is over. The Conservative Party are challenged

:39:42.:39:45.

because they are not winning over the younger voters because the brand

:39:46.:39:48.

is so damaged. We weren't transformed in the election and

:39:49.:39:52.

still not now. Theseth will do more damage to the Conservatives. The

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Queen visited the shard in London today. We can assume she look a lift

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to the top and probably didn't have to wait for it. Nor did she have to

:40:04.:40:10.

wait for the lift when she visited BBC New Broadcasting House, and just

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as well, staff have been grumbling about waiting times for the lifts

:40:15.:40:18.

here since we move in. How many minutes do we average waiting for

:40:19.:40:22.

lifts. We have been hanging around in one or two lift lobbies for a few

:40:23.:40:27.

hours of his life, he won't be getting back. This report contains

:40:28.:40:40.

some strobing. The world is increasingly an urban place, more

:40:41.:40:44.

than half our planet's citizens live in cities. These cities are engines

:40:45.:40:49.

of innovation and economic activity, they can be good for the planet too.

:40:50.:40:55.

Because densely-packed cities thrive on bus, trains and subway systems

:40:56.:40:59.

rather than cars. But all of this would be impossible without one of

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the most underrated inventions of the past two centuries. It is the

:41:05.:41:11.

lift, and if you will forgive a little self-obsession here at

:41:12.:41:14.

Newsnight, we have been thinking a lot about lifts recently, we have

:41:15.:41:19.

moved to New Broadcasting House, a brand new building, but there is a

:41:20.:41:23.

problem with the lifts. It takes a long time for them to arrive. When

:41:24.:41:28.

they do they are packed like sardines and you can't get on.

:41:29.:41:39.

So how do engineers decide how many lifts go into a building, and how it

:41:40.:41:55.

works. We have an office building where with people all wanting to get

:41:56.:41:59.

to their desk. They are at work and want to get there. The hotel has

:42:00.:42:04.

different timing periods and might need more. Why not put more lifts in

:42:05.:42:09.

buildings so people don't have to wait any longer? The more you have,

:42:10.:42:14.

they take up more space, that is less space for the office and less

:42:15.:42:17.

rent for the landlord. There is more to the business of elevatoring than

:42:18.:42:22.

choosing right number of lifts. That is not a bad start. A modern

:42:23.:42:27.

elevator installation uses computer, monitoring, every lift call putten

:42:28.:42:31.

to and co-ordinating the response of every lift in the building. That may

:42:32.:42:37.

not sound like the world's toughest problem, there is a lot for the

:42:38.:42:43.

computer to think about. In a tall building with 20 lift call buttons

:42:44.:42:47.

pressed and eight lifts there are over a billion, billion different

:42:48.:42:52.

situation for the computer to send the lifts off to respond. Since

:42:53.:42:58.

nobody likes a sluggish lift, it all has to be done in a 50th of a

:42:59.:43:02.

second. If only there was somebody we could turn to? Somebody who could

:43:03.:43:10.

solve all of our elevator-based problems. Big or small. Dear lift

:43:11.:43:20.

doctor, sometimes I press the button and I can see the lift coming but it

:43:21.:43:24.

goes right past me, why does the lift hate me. The computer sees all

:43:25.:43:28.

the calls and all the lifts and it knows there might be some other

:43:29.:43:32.

people who have been waiting longer than you. It's trying to minimise

:43:33.:43:38.

the waiting for everyone, while you wait for the next lift overall it

:43:39.:43:43.

might be better for everyone. Dear lift doctor, I work in a busy

:43:44.:43:46.

building, in the morning everyone comes in at the same time and we are

:43:47.:43:52.

all hanging around in the lobby for an occasional lift to arrive and a

:43:53.:43:57.

few us to get in. Help us. You have only one button on the ground floor,

:43:58.:44:04.

so only one lift is sent and the others are brought back. It is good

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to make sure all the cars are brought back. Dear lift doctor, the

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problem is with the cafe and back. What can you do? You can give free

:44:20.:44:26.

tea and coffee on the floors, then people don't make extra trips to the

:44:27.:44:31.

cafeteri It is annoying to wait an extra minute for a lift. But a big

:44:32.:44:36.

building with a poorly designed elevator system would keep you

:44:37.:44:43.

longer than that. Five, ten minutes in a scraper the lifts have to be

:44:44.:44:49.

perfect. Modern skyscrapers use a destination control system. We swipe

:44:50.:44:57.

the card, enter our destination. Which in English you tell the

:44:58.:45:03.

elevator the floor you need and it assigns you the correct elevator.

:45:04.:45:08.

The system will group travellers together to a set number of floors.

:45:09.:45:13.

So the benefits system is it will travel to that certain number of

:45:14.:45:19.

floors without stopping everywhere. These are double-decker elevators is

:45:20.:45:22.

that common snooty The new technology? Twin elevators,

:45:23.:45:36.

similar to this but the cars are separated in the same cat but one

:45:37.:45:40.

car operating independently from the other car. Same principle, moves

:45:41.:45:47.

lots of people. One final element for the conscientious elevator

:45:48.:45:52.

scientist to consider. These lifts aren't moving cargo, they are moving

:45:53.:46:03.

people. And that means trouble. The BBC building managers at New

:46:04.:46:08.

Broadcasting House complain there is nothing wrong with the lifts, it is

:46:09.:46:12.

just that the users are doing it wrong. Apparently we overuse some

:46:13.:46:16.

banks of elevators and underuse others. In the future our robot

:46:17.:46:21.

over-Lords will take care of all of that. It may be that the security

:46:22.:46:26.

card that you carry to get into the building will already have your

:46:27.:46:31.

preferred floor coated into it, when you swipe your card through whatever

:46:32.:46:37.

entry device like a turnstile. The turnstile will have a screen

:46:38.:46:42.

embedded in it. You walk over to the elevator bank and get in, you won't

:46:43.:46:47.

have to touch anything. Cities are getting bigger, buildings getting

:46:48.:46:50.

taller, computers are getting faster and people are getting busier. That

:46:51.:46:56.

can only mean one thing, the dawn of the new age of the intelligence

:46:57.:47:04.

elevator is only just beginning. That's all for this evening, good

:47:05.:47:06.

How could three women be held as 'slaves' in a London house for 30 years? Is the privatisation of probation failing? The 8-year-old football superstar; the Tories' image; and the trouble with lifts.


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