21/01/2014 Newsnight


The Lib Dems continue not to deal with Lord Rennard, David Baddiel on Nicolas Anelka, 12 hours in an A&E, and the offshore world of China's elite. With Kirsty Wark.

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Lord Rennard fights back, threatening legal action against his


party over sexual harassment claims. Is this the biggest crisis ever to


engulf the Liberal Democrats. One senior figure in the party tells


me a court case would be like Lord Rennard pulling the Pina out of the


grenade he's holding. He will hurt others but do more damage to


himself. Nicolas Anelka is charged by the FA


over his infamous Quennelle gesture, David Baddiel says when it comes to


racism in football there is a double standard in play. If I had made some


kind of anti-immigration gesture and said that was in support of my


friend Nick Griffin, people would say that doesn't make it OK. Nigel


Farage has been haunt bid his members insulting women, talking


about gay marriage and floods and talking about bongo bongo land. Can


he clean up his party's act without wiping it out. Here is the man with


the job, Neil Hamilton, the deputy chair of UKIP.


God evening, it is hard to believe -- good evening, it is hard to


believe that the Liberal Democrats are party of Government when their


handling of the Rennard row is so buy Sandt time. In the latest


episode -- byzantine, Lord Rennard is threatening to start legal


proceedings against his party. Our political editor is here with us,


Emily, it just keeps giving? Only the Lib Dems, one put it, could have


a sex scandal that didn't involve sex, but culminated in what feels


like a leadership cry crisis. They are worried about how bloody this is


getting. Lord Rennard announced he was a step closer to legal action


against his own party, applying for an injunction to stop internal


proceedings against him. This is from yesterday when he refused to


apologise to the women who claimed sexual harassment. One key figure in


the party put it like this, a court case, they said, would be like Chris


Rennard pulling the Pina out of a grenade he -- the Pina pin out of a


grenade's holding he would hurt others but do more damage to


himself. We don't know the direction it will go in, but it has gone too


far to know how to stop it. Earlier we heard from the former party


leader, the liberals Lord Steel, he told us the only way out of the


situation was to reverse yesterday's decision. Until the party withdraws


its suspension it really is impossible to get the sides


together, whether around table or not to dream up some form of


apology. But I'm sure that it is possible, given goodwill, and


frankly it should have been done years ago. The idea that we now have


a third inquiry is simply ridiculous. And where is Nick Clegg


in all this today? I get the sense the leadership are slightly baffled


by all of this. Those close to Nick Clegg say it is not him demanding


the apology, it is not a leadership thing. He's sticking to the


recommendation that was made, don't forget, by the judicial findings, by


Alastair Webster, in that report that came out at the end of last


week. Lord Rennard was told to, and these are quotes "reflect on his


behaviour and apology guise". Nick Clegg -- reflect on his behaviour


and apologise", and Nick Clegg believes that should be publicly


made. We heard the leader had learned of Lord Rennard's action


through the media. There hadn't been contact between them, we know there


hasn't been contact for a year, and people in the party have been acting


as go-betweens. There is a story in the Telegraph, without citing any


words it suggests that Nick Clegg's wife, Miriam, is understood to have


raised concerns with her husband that the party had let down female


activists by failing to take their concerns seriously. She is not


quoted. That is an understanding of whether she had an involvement.


There is a sense not necessarily of a generational one, I wouldn't want


to say there is an ageist divide going on, but there is some sense


that those in the party that have moved forward, that are taking this


seriously, the women's concerns seriously are keen to hear that


apology, and no other sense of mediation can condition until that


comes. It all hinges on Lord Rennard himself. I'm joined by Evan Harris,


a former front bench MP for the Liberal Democrats, and now a vice


chair of their Federal Policy Committee and party activist,


Katherine Bavage, who started a Twitter campaign called Hashimotono


apologynowhip. Nobody from the Liberal Democrat leadership came to


talk to Newsnight. It is the second night they have refused to talk.


Lord Rennard appears ready to push this to the brink, no matter how


much damage he does? It would appear so, as party member of eight years


myself, I think it is matter of great regret he hasn't lisencen't


listened to calls from members like -- he hasn't listened to calls from


members like myself. We feel the request for the apology was


reasonable and he should have made the concession. There are calls for


the suspension to be lifted? I'm not sure it can. It is looking at


whether or not he hud looks a if he had brought the party into dis


should go ahead I think. Nobody is prepared to talk about it,s to


byzantine nobody has a handle about what is going on? Certain aspects


have been blown out of proportion. What is agreed is what was said to


be said by Miriam Nick Clegg's wife and presumably the Telegraph have


got sources inside the house. It is accepted by the Liberal Democrats


that the failure to act on these complaints at the time they were


made was a failure. It was a scandal. The leader, the President,


everyone has said that, and there was a report... Until Katherine


started last Friday, pushing for it... . This was accepted in


February, last year. That was where the report was made so never before


would this happen. If I could explain, so, on Thursday we waited


to see what sort of announcements were coming from the party


leadership. They were, you know, not particularly strong low-worded so we


decided the best thing we could do is write we really felt he had to


make that commitment to the apology. It was only after our letter went


on-line that Nick's statement came out and it was stronger. The


activists were ahead of the leadership on this. I think Nick


Clegg's position is no apology to whip. He has made that clear. We are


glad with that. There is very few people, David Steel is one, there


are few who disagree with that provision, but there is a process.


Why not come on and tell us about it? Because there is a process.


Please! If legal action is threatened, because of a poor


process. He wouldn't come on last night and there was no legal action


threatened last night. It has always been threatened. It has been made


quite clear by Lord Rennard's legal advisers that there is a legal


threat. It is very sad that there is this stand-off, the outcome of this


will either be a senior member of the Liberal Democrats expelled from


the party or he is not. Let me just, that may be, we don't know. That


That is not headline news five days running it is a serious matter. It


says something about the Liberal Democrats, I wonder had it not been


for what happened last week, what do you think would have been the


outcome? Well, the concern was that the whole Marmite get brushed into


the carpet. There was an independent report, do you accept, Katherine, we


need to have this debate. Do you accept there was, I'm on your side I


agree with you. There was an independent report that said that


while there was not sufficient evidence to meet the standard of


proof to make a finding, there was a need for him to apologise and to


reflect on his behaviour. And he didn't? Indeed, and that's why he


has been suspended pending an inquiry now as to whether that


refusal is bringing the party into disrepute. That process must take


its course. You can't judge it now. You say the process has to take its


course. I'm asking a broader, more general question, that his decision


to pursue legal action is devastating for the party, isn't it?


If he takes legal action, if he takes legal action. And wins? What


will the women in the party think, Katherine? This is a hypothetical. I


don't think he's likely to prevent a due process going ahead. And this is


just my opinion, it is extremely unlikely that an injunction to


prevent due process, following a QC's report. It is regrettable. I


just want to put a question to Katherine? We have to look at the


other part of that independent report that said the full


omplainants' description of the events was broadly credible. I don't


think the process has given enough weight to how that might make party


members feel, and not just women, a lot of my members are men, everyone


needs to be respected. Do you think if this is not resolved for the four


women concerned and all the women activists in the party, that women


will not want to be within the Liberal Democrats, they will not see


it as the place they thought it was? We have heard some people talk about


resignations and cutting up their membership. I don't want to do that,


I want to stay in the party and fight to make it safer. Would you


feel if Lord Rennard came back without a resolution you would be


welcome in that party? It would be really dis fitting, and the


leadership need to work with members. They couldn't do any more.


They have done the inquiry and now a second inquiry. We have to stop now.


In a moment, we take a race car legend to Britain's first motorway


pub. The West Brom football player,


Nicolas Anelka, has been charged by the FA for making a salute widely


regarded as being anti-semetic, after scoring against West Ham


United last month. Accusations of anti-semitism are not restricted to


players on the field. Today three fans have been charged with using


the word "yid" at Spurs matches. Zoopla, the property website has


already announced it won't renew a ?3 million sponsorship of the club.


Newsnight has found at least two other sponsors are considering


pulling their support too. Both Holler Watches and Jack Wolfskin


told us that ending their relationship with West Brom is now a


real possibility. We have been talking to a comedian


with a keen interest in Anelka's arm gesture.


Nicolas Anelka, waiting for kick-off in last night's home game against


Everton. The striker wore the colours of West Brom and their


sponsor Zoopla. He could be banned for a minimum of five games after


the FA charged him with making an improper gesture, aggravated by a


reference to race or religion. That follows this infamous "Quennelle" as


it is known, said to be some by an inveted Nazi salute, during a match


last month. Anelka said he was merely showing support for a friend,


a controversial French comedian, whose shows have been banned over


alleged anti-semitism. Newsnight discussed the case with David


Baddiel, comedian turned novelist and film maker, who is a Chelsea


supporter and has campaigned against anti-semitism in football. I didn't


know what the gesture was when he made it, as I'm sure most people


didn't know. I had never seen it before, I had to be told it is a


Quennelle, and that is an inveted Nazi salute. So I didn't


particularly have a thought about it at all. But then I think where I


became more interested in it was in the fact that Anelka defended


himself by saying he was only trying to show for more his friend Judon.


He is, I'm aware of is an anti-semetic person. What is odd


about it, because it became an acceptable defence, Anelka seemed to


be saying it is not anti-semitism it is in support of my friend the


enormous antisemite. I thought that is not right here. I thought if I


had made some kind of anti-immigration gesture and said it


was in support of my friend Nick Griffin, people would say it is not


OK. But, I think, to be fair to Nicolas Anelka, I think probably the


greater resonance of what someone like Dudon is doing is not something


there is much support for. In France, as far as I can make out,


anti-establishment behaviour from people like Dudon has become very


mixed up with anti-semetic behaviour, such that when I tweeted


about this I tweeted about how it seems if you are supporting Dudon


then you are anti-semetic in some way. A French person tweeted me back


saying you don't understand, it is just anti-Government, anti-French


Government and anti-the Zionist cab balance. I thought -- kabal. In my


sense you are getting close to anti-semitism in my understanding of


the Zionist kabal. Is it for complicated and nuanced because


Dudon is a comedian and it is a matter of free speech censorship


rather than a rabble rousing thing. I haven't seen him, he's not a


comedian like Michael McIntyre is a comitteedia. 's a provoke -- a


comedian. He's provocative in France, and he should totally be


fine to do that. What is complicated is he has done a film called The


Anti--Semite, it is not ironic, it is very anti-semetic. His targets


are the French establishment and Jews. It is not like he attacks


everyone equally, and as I say, there is an alignment in his mind


and his supporters' mind between the French establishment and the Jews. I


don't know if he should be banned or not, I'm not that interested in


whether things should be banned. Although I think one of the see


things, and this is often missed out, is once you start banning


things, so if you are banning people for using racist language towards


black people, or racist language towards Asian people, then you also


have to ban them for using racist language towards Jewish people.


For the FA there are two problems, they have to balance the fact that


the player is saying I didn't intend it to be anti-semetic. I have no


reason to disbelieve him. And then there is another issue, which I


think is going on here, which is I think people, I think the guardians


of antiracism do feel that it is more complex when the person who


might be being racist is themselves from an ethnic minority,


particularly a black person. It is more complicated for them, they


think we don't want to be seen to be attacking a black person when our


job is to protect ethnic minorities. Zoopla won't renew their sponsorship


of Anelka's club, West Bromwich Albion. One thing I think is weird


is all the papers are really telling you that the head of Zoopla is a


Jewish businessman. I haven't read about this story without the papers


talking about this Jewish businessman. I would like to think


that you could be of any race or religion and object to someone doing


a Nazi salute as a celebration. A lot of people shout this word, it


begins with "Y". David Baddiel made a film for the football authorities


urging fans not to chant the word "yid" it is often heard at White


Hart Lane, why there is Jewish support. Some home fans use the "Y"


word themselves saying they are reclaiming it. Spurs fans are


correct in saying they think they do it in a different way to the way


Chelsea fans do it, that is right. All that has to go in the mix where


you are trying to get into the place where anti-semitism isn't on the


terraces any more. It is nuanced and you have to think the best way round


it. Hopefully it is all heading in the right direction, but there are


bumps along the way. Nigel Farage likes to lead UKIP from the front,


to set the tone as it were. Think of his speech to the City, apining that


women taking time off to have children are less valuable to


employers. Others have distinguished themselves talking about Bongo Bongo


Land, and one councillor distinguished himself saying the


floods were due to the decision to legalise gay marriage. This week


their Scottish interim chairman is leading an anti-sectarian charity,


after decribing a local authority for gays, and communists. All this


after Nigel Farage said he wanted to professionalise the party. I will


ask the chairman if you can change the DNA of UKIP. First Emily Maitlis


again. Gay anthem like this doesn't just


become a chart crusade for no reason.


# I'm gonna go out # I'm gonna let myself


# Get absolutely soaking wet And the reason it could be set to climb is


this. What? Well not this exactly, but this man, David Sylvester,


formerly of the Conservatives, now UKIP. He said at the weekend the


country had been beset by storms since gay marriage was passed into


law. Public outcry, certainly on Twitter was palpable. Mr Sylvester


looked as if he would survive the day. He didn't, he was suspended by


UKIP after defying a request not to do further interviews. And the


curious thing here is not, dare I say, an unusual view expressed by a


UKIP member. No the curious thing here is the swift action at the top


of the party. UKIP is proud of its man on the


streets, or man in the pub image, but an insider understands that a


campaign is quietly under foot to professionalise the party, driven by


the fact that its membership has widened and changed. You sir are a


racist. Why? It is a big leap for a party that has, up until now, dare


today say and do the unsayable. Disgraceful, you are disgraceful.


Who could forget the larger than life, Godfrey Bloom, seen whacking


my colleague, Michael Crick in happier times. He called countries


that received Government aid Bongo Bongo Land, Godfrey, not Michael. He


survived many of his outbursts but eventually lost the whip in


September. Earlier today I spoke to the North West ME P candidate who


said it was imperative that people could be allowed to speak their


mind. Our democracy is suffering from a deficit of the truth. If you


nail people down and the media nail every difference you damage


democracy. Last week Mr Slaughter suspended his own Twitter and


Facebook accounts, I asked was it anything he said or regretted. The


tweet where he referred to the US President as "Islam-Obama". Why call


him Islam-Obama, what did you mean? We seem to be going down a route we


should move off, it is out of context again. It is a tweet, it is


irrelevant, in effect. What we are talking about is policy. And we're


talking about the macro view of the world and what is going on. UKIP


will tell you that the media concentrates disproportionally on


their crazies, when they can be found in every party. But the fact


there does seem to be some attempt at a January des to go is not


insignificant. Climate change is an area they have been told to approach


with more nuance rather than flat denials. One senior UKIP member told


me we don't need to be the party of pub bores who think they know better


than the scientists. He said he can't see UKIP becoming an ultra


politically correct party, but it is about limiting self- ndulgence. It


may sound like a strategy any party needs to implement. That is becoming


serious about power. But for some of the UKIP old guard it is deep


disappointment. They point to the top of the party and say it is


detatched from the base it first stood


If more power beckons, the dichotomy is this, how to maintain their


position as outsiders in UK politics without letting candidates lose the


plot. UKIP members love their smoke filled rooms, they just want to be


on the inside of them. Neil Hamilton was a Tory minister who fell from


grace now he's UKIP's deputy chair, how does the new UKIP differ from


the old UKIP? It doesn't, what we have heard this evening is a few


individuals who couldn't discipline themselves, knowing how the media


are going to report them. They get in the way of the party's message,


I'm afraid they have to go. So in effect Mr Slaughter will go, he is


the gentleman who said "Islam-Obama's real legacy". What


does that mean? First I have heard this evening. Should he go, you have


just said people who flout the rules should go? If they get in the way of


the party's message, by behaving in a way which is undisciplined, then


they must expect to be taken off the air. We are now a mainstream


political party, not a fringe political grouping. The bookies are


make us favourites to win the European elections. We have a


by-election now in Manchester, we are serious contenders in


constituencies up and down the country. He's not just an MEP


candidate. He also said that the EU floods the UK with immigrants, as a


tool of choice to break the UK and force integration, saying that


should he go? I won't get into defending or attacking people for


their tweets. It is not exactly Lord Rennard is it? Who knows, aren't you


meant to be cleaning up the party? David Cameron tweeted the other day


that he was part of Nigella's team and almost undermined a legal


action. Let's just be clear, you are saying "Islam-Obama" is the same as


"team Nigella"? I don't know what that is. Nigel Farage, going to the


top, mainstream party, he wants to set the tone, he makes a speech in


the City in which he says that women who have children are therefore for


less valuable. He didn't say that. He said it is understandable they


are paid less, if they go and break their careers having children? What


he was talking about was brokerage firms in the City who take on women


because of their client list, if they take three or four years off to


bring up children, they lose a lot of their clients, so they are less


valuable when they come back. Because it is the client list. That


is the message that UKIP wants to send out. There is no message. That


is just stating a fact. So they should be less valuable? That is a


fact. You don't think. The client list is worth what the clients on it


are worth. If you have fewer clients, the client list is worth


less, that is a simple point he was making. It is acceptable to give


them lower salaries? It is not whether it is right or wrong, it is


a fact of life. Does your wife agree with that in the party? I always


agree with my wife, whether she agrees with me is another matter.


Nigel Farage was simply stating a fact, that when a City brokerage


firm is taking on a woman or a man, their value to the firm is the value


of the client list. If the clients that the woman had at the beginning


of her pregnancy are much less valuable at the end of her period


she has taken off to bring up children, they will pay her less,


that is a fact of life. He wasn't making any equalive judgment about t


I read the transcript. There is meant to be a weeding out process of


problem candidates. That weeding outprocess is a couple of interns --


weeding out process is a couple of interns weeding out on the Internet.


We have a tweet, "the Searlely miserable UK staff of immigration


are a sign of ruined UK, sack them all". He was probably frustrated by


the queue he was. I haven't come across it. You must understand that


there is an army of people paid by the mainstream parties, Tories and


liberals in particular who are frightened to death at the impact


that UKIP is having upon them are being paid to mine into Twitter


accounts, into Facebook Major Generals to find -- pages, to find


any remark to pervert and put in the headlights to bring down UKIP. They


will fail, they can't do it on policy so they are going for the


individual. There are grassroots who won't be talked down? We have 33,000


members, what is the size of the backlash from those members.


Anything from the party putting anything on Twitter is fine. You


seem to be suggesting it is just a tweet, it matters not a jot s that


the case? If it is emparsing, or breaks the party's -- embarrassing


or breaks the party's rules they will face disciplinary action. It is


up to individuals to make a complaint in an individual case. I'm


not going to talk in general terms because you can't divorce the


individual and the remarks he makes from the factual context in which


they are made. Thank you. When the going gets rough in A departments


through the winter, operations can be farmed out to private health


firms. That is what the NHS Medical Director told MPs today in the light


of increased pressure and cancelled operations and Accident and


Emergency units. The Queen Elizabeth hospital in Birmingham is one of the


biggest and busiest in the country. Its catchment has increased 300,000


since it open. Right now staff are Atajic SFUL stretch because it has


to deal with social issues and it can't turn anyone away. Is SGLFRNLT


we are firefighting on the shop floor, we are managing patient flow


at crisis level. We have got a really good nor rail and strong


team, we do pull together really well. There are times when there is


nowhere else to go. Sometimes I want to walk out the door and not come


back. Trong team, we do pull together really well. There are


times when there is nowhere else to go. Sometimes I want to walk out the


door and not come back. So the GP has sent you in today, you have been


to see the GP earlier, thank you, if you take a seat you will be called.


One was sent by the GP for suicidal talk, the crew didn't tell me she


had taken tenantity depressants yesterday -- taken ten


antidepressants yesterday. We have an increase in winter, this year we


have seen a huge increase in the patient flowing through the


department. , this year we have seen a huge increase in the patient


flowing through the department. I'm in charge of making sure we meet the


guidelines. Then you have people not getting a GP appointment and also


feeling that A might serve them better at that time. We have only


one cubicle left haven't we, is that right? So one cubicle, one


resuscitation bay. We do see a lot of patients come in through to us


that may not necessarily need to come to this hospital. What has


happened to you? I sort of just, my finger is just misshapen, I was just


putting my throw over my sofa and it just went actually, yeah, I just


want to make sure I haven't broken it really. I think I just need a


splint for it I was told. Let's get you booked in, what is your date of


birth. Do you get a lot of people coming in that don't need to come


in? Yes. A lot. A lot! Our best one was the few months ago someone


coming in with a love bite! Strange. How do you deal with that then?


Shocked, take a seat! Wait two hours, to be told off you go. But


you can't, you have to book them in, we can't send them away from here.


Take him off the scoop while on the scan. As a trauma centre we get a


letter to all major traumas, this is a major trauma call. The gentleman


was brought in by the ambulance crew, we took handover of this


gentleman who was supposed to have fallen top to bottom of the stairs.


He had multiple injuries, including to his skull, to his spine, to his


best, and to his arm at the time. When I started in emergency medicine


as a doctor in 13 years ago, what A is like then is completely


different to now. Nowadays we are instigating more treatment in the


departments, we are doing for more the patient. It is not a see,


assess, admit and Paston the relevant specialties, we are


treating more and doing more. You can't remember the name of it? Don't


worry darling. Phyllis came to us having been in touch with the GP


with pains in her arms which she had an extensive cardiac history and had


a pacemaker. The GP wanted her to be checked out thoroughly to see if it


was related to her pacemaker. Do you want a sandwich as well? Yes, if you


are right. I might as well might I. Make a pig's party of it! When she


came in we did all the routine stuff, ECG, blood and various other


things. And her pacemaker wasn't working as it should. And it was a


good call. There are more demands, I think to some extent the NHS is a


victim of its own success. And we regularly hear from people that they


hear that the Queen Elizabeth is the place to go. So they travel long


distances to come here specifically. So it does add extra pressure, it


is, it does put everybody under more pressure. Hello, nice to meet you,


I'm a doctor. I work to set up the front door geriatric team here at


the Queen Elizabeth. Our aim is to recognise potentially vulnerable


older people at the point they arrive at hospital. I have an


infection. He was worried about your chest. I never dreamed I would come


in today. What we will do, I think you are going out to West Heath, to


ward 14. Either myself or a team member will


see them at a first opportunity. We look to see why they have attended


to hospital. Where we get bottlenecks in the system is the


border, the transfer of care between health and social care. As the


population has aged, diversified, but living an awful lot longer, it


is actually impossible to separate out health and social care, so that


model that was put in place when the NHS was founded actually needs to be


adjusted to deal with what we have now. We seem to be constantly


firefighting on the shop floor, we are managing the patient flow at


crisis level. And I think really that has problems in getting them


admitted through the hospital system, and getting them discharged


into the community services. She has a history of left arm pain.


It is incredibly difficult when there is nowhere else for anybody to


go. We have used every possible bed in the hospital. It is very


frustrating. It is very hard. It is very disheartening as well, because


that's not what you want to be doing. You want to give the best you


possibly can and more. There are times when you are not able to do


that. Every day I actually feel I'm working to my absolute top capacity.


That we never have any slack within the system to be able to take a step


back and look where we are. Sometimes it actually makes me want


to feel as if I want to walk out the door and not bother coming back. But


then you go and see some of the patients and you sit down and have a


chat to a lady who has been struggling at home but didn't


realise she was unwell and we have done something and made her better


and got her walking again, and put in bits and pieces at home and


someone is going to bring in meals to microwave, and somebody will pop


in the morning that make sure she's OK. She's pleased with the plan and


we have managed to sort that out quickly and she goes home feeling


well again. It is the patients and the good outcomes that keep us


going. Professor Keith Willetts is responsible for acute care in the


NHS, you were at the Select Committee, you will have heard and


know the statistics across England, between 140 and 450 planned


operations a day, since the second of January have been cancelled


because of the pressure on A Disstress, debilitating? --


distressing and debt bill Tating? We are sure that the NHS is under


pressure. That is the best and worse of the NHS. Dedicated, caring staff


in those circumstances, clearly there is too much pressure in the


system. In the short-term we are doing a variety of things to get us


through this while we look in the long-term and actually review the


whole system to actually decompress the A departments and the


hospitals. But in, for example, the Queen Elizabeth hospital, they had


to reopen the old 1930s hospital to extend their A to deal with all


the patients. But you saw there, and they can't turn anyone away? No.


They are dealing with somebody TWHA actually had -- that actual lie had


a love bite, and a lady that needed complex social care. It is not that


it is fit for purpose, it is not the purpose for which it was intended?


Things have changed over time, and you saw two different issues, two


people attending A and had the advice and Conservatives that


conversation possible outside the hospital they wouldn't have come. We


have the urgency care review that I'm leading with Sir Bruce Keogh,


the components are how to have self-care and how to do much better


on telephone advice for patients and give them the information they need.


To be able to put them in touch with clinicians, nurses or dentists,


whatever is their problem, so those sorts of issues don't go near A


Complex social care? The other half, is the much bigger problem in the


winter, it is not people turning up, that is a summer problem. It is


complex problems in older people, 40% have dementia now, the issues


are all those patients arrive by ambulance, they all need a trolley


and ultimately a bed, therefore the hospital is under a very different


sort of pressure in the winter. We have to build in a resilience. In


the short-term it is the sort of things you saw described there. In


the longer term we have to be able to, and many of the older patients


as well would be much better managed in the community. So for an elderly


patient with dementia, bringing them into the hospital particularly when


they need care rather than treatment is worse for them. Even on the Queen


Elizabeth Hospital that was built with a kind of capacity to grow in


the next 20 years, and it was out of capacity within two years.


8,000 peopl -- 78,000 people since Christmas have not been seen within


the prescribed time of four hours. That is seen, treated and


discharged. Nationally we are into week 41 of the year, it is very


difficult, the figures are about comparable with last year, overall


this year the 95% target has been met. Let me show you a quick graphic


in 2003/04 the capacity in the NHS for A was 16 million, it is now 22


million. It was never envisaged to be such a rise. Where has the


failure come? Part of that, that is attendances, that is people


arriving. Only about 20-25% of those are admitted. So there is a lot we


can do about those who arrive, who have the sort of things that perhaps


we could manage elsewhere. Some of those we could do better In the


short-term, we are running out of time and I want to ask about this.


In the Select Committee it was said that you will use private hospitals


to push operations, is this the beginning of the privatisation of


the NHS? That was brought up at the Health Select Committee, we were


asked what we were doing to plan for winter this year. One thing was


putting in more money, which we dealt with. The other was to set up


the urgent care groups locally, we had urgent care, the local


authority, the GPs, hospital and all discussing how we would manage it.


One of the things we would look for at resilience, is the deputy chief


executive of the NHS actually met with the voluntary sector and the


independent sector to look at resilience, where was the spare


capacity, the independent sector provides most of the care home beds,


they have capacity in the private hospitals, so in the event of


needing it we could call on it. That is good resilience planning. Thank


you very much, if you want to find out how any major E unit in


England and Wales is performing, get all the details on the BBC website.


An extraordinary ash Kay of leaked -- cache has been found today of


leaked documents. This is an extraordinary story, the


investigative journalists have got hold of the hard drives of two


companies specialising in setting up offshore companies for clients. The


offshore world is almost always opaque, but this document gives us a


peek behind the veil of secrecy. There is companies set up for 21,000


Chinese clients. It goes to the top, they claim the brother-in-law of the


President of China, he set up a company in the British Virgin


Islands, they are also naming one of the son-in-laws of China's former


premier as owning offshore companies. Here is the man


overseeing the investigation for the last two years. What they show are


the secret offshore accounts of some of the relatives of the leaders of


China. They also show some of the richest people in China. And some


individuals there are actually people from state-owned companies


that have become embroiled in corruption scandals. What it really


tells us is the Chinese are using offshore entities the same as people


in the west. It is the western companies, the banks, the big


accountany firms that are helping them do this. They are heading


towards being the biggest users of offshore.


What it tells us is the Chinese are using offshore bank accounts, it


doesn't say what they are doing wrong? The answer is we can't tell


that from the files. Because the companies set up are in the


supersecretive offshore Vivarins, we have no idea what they have done.


What we can do is ask the question of why might somebody want to set a


company up in one of these havens, that is what I asked the chartered


accountant, Richard Murphy who was an expert on tax havens. There are


reasons why people need companies outside China. Clearly some


companies will use an offshore company to be their trading point


with the rest of the world. But actually, if you wanted that, the


easiest place to form a company is here in the UK. You could do that,


but the information would be on public record, it would be cheaper


for you, the regulatory burden is in some ways lower, technically, but in


practice of course you would be on the record. And so the reason why


people will use the British Virgin Islands is because they want the


secrecy. What kind of secrecy are we talking about here? All sorts of


things, avoiding tax is one, but economists have been saying for


years that vast amounts of money have been leaving China. Here is


Richard Murphy again. Of course I would be worried if I was the


Chinese Government about this amount of money leaving China. There is 100


billion or so a year leaving. We know 60 billion is coming back. That


money coming back is illicit money, black money, inside the Chinese


economy. It is fuelling its house price increase, which is


destablising the Chinese economy. There is an enormous shadow economy


as a result, untaxed. It is creating a shadow economy and a big problem


inside the UK housing market. Lots of this black money going through


the British Virgin Islands is also turning up in our economy and


fuelling house prices. Let's not forget who is ultimately responsible


for, that the British Virgin island are British territory. Ultimately we


should say we are responsible and maybe we should look to clean up the


offshore haven. Tomorrow morning's front


Doctors fear brain-damage is permanent for Schumacher. Before we


go we asked Britain's best known motorist to drop in to the country's


first motorway pub, which opened at junction two of the M 40 today. Here


is the review. It was fog last night but rain


The Lib Dems continue not to deal with Lord Rennard, David Baddiel on Nicolas Anelka, 12 hours in an A&E, and the offshore world of China's elite. With Kirsty Wark.