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The Minister for floods and ahead of the Environment Agency have started | :00:07. | :00:13. | |
resembling to drowning man trying to clamber on one another's shoulders. | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
As not only the West Country is menaced by floods, we try to | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
discover how it has all gone so wrong in that usual British way as | :00:22. | :00:28. | |
who should we blame? A former Cabinet minister who chairs | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
the Environment Agency is here to defend his record. | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
Sue Lloyd Roberts tracks down the men who are helping drive rhinos to | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
the brink of extinction for the sake of quack medicine in the East. | :00:42. | :00:50. | |
How much I you charging? What is this? A panel of comics | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
without a testicle between them. They talk about why television | :00:56. | :00:57. | |
comedy needs rescuing from men. As if they haven't got enough to | :00:58. | :01:12. | |
content with already, residents flooded parts of the South and West | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
of England had to put up with another inundation of politicians | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
today. It is like the ten plagues of ancient Egypt. Both by Minister and | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
Deputy Prime Minister were on hand while lesser figures cast around for | :01:24. | :01:30. | |
people to blame. Now the Thames is flooded as well. The Environment | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
Agency is the that is being kicked by most. -- the cat. | :01:34. | :01:43. | |
And so it spreads. The wintry rainfall that flooded the Somerset | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
Levels and the south-west is now inflicting its misery on the | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
south-east. Record-breaking sheets of rain have overwhelmed defences. | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
The area around Windsor is being engulfed by the spreading Thames. | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
Wraysbury is submerged. Half of the village is devastated. This has as | :02:04. | :02:10. | |
been abandoned, lots of people have got no flood insurance and that is | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
the biggest problem. In 2003 we have lots of looting of empty houses. We | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
need the army to man every street. Down that road the houses are | :02:21. | :02:27. | |
between ten and 12 feet underwater. Normal life has been postponed. | :02:28. | :02:34. | |
It is really quite hard, because we were trying to get to school, it can | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
be quite wet and we don't want to get our uniform wept. | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
This family is one of the last on the street to resist evacuation. | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
In terms of people here to come and support and help us Wraysbury seems | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
to have been a little bit forgotten. And what is the response | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
from Westminster? He spotted a convenient scapegoat in order to | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
distract attention from the government and failure. | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
It is entirely wrong for the honourable lady to suggest for one | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
moment that I have issued even the slightest criticism of the | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
marvellous workforce of the Environment Agency. He ought to be | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
apologising instead of continuously passing the buck and saying it is | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
everybody else's responsibility. A few politicians have taken a few | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
trips down to the water line, but mostly MPs and quango crabs have | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
been apportioning blame. What about these claims and counterclaims? | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
Let's start with the money. In 2009 the Environment Agency estimated | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
Britain would need to continually increased the amount it spends on | :03:45. | :03:47. | |
flood defences. Without more money it want increasing numbers of houses | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
would be at risk from flooding in the coming decades. And the | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
coalition the amount of cash spent on flood defence fell from 670, two | :03:58. | :04:04. | |
?606 million. Last week the government pledged a further ?100 | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
million in cash for next year taking the total back-up to ?715 million. | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
Even so, flood spending is still down on 2010, once you take | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
inflation into account. Last year a committee of MPs said funding had | :04:19. | :04:26. | |
led to the failure to maintain watercourses affectively so is it | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
due to a lack of money England is underwater or perhaps it is because | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
as another group of MPs want no 1's body is clearly in charge of holding | :04:35. | :04:41. | |
back the water. -- no single body. Take the Somerset Levels, flooding | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
there is the responsibility of the Environment Agency. And Sedgemoor | :04:45. | :04:51. | |
district Council. And Taunton Deane district Council. And South Somerset | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
district Council. And Somerset county council. Natural England. And | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
the local internal drainage board. Tricky? Most of the public bile has | :05:03. | :05:11. | |
been focused on dredging, clearing up Rivers said a flow faster. | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
Officials brave enough to venture there have been berated for ignoring | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
this common sense solution but would dredging have made any difference in | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
a year as dramatically wet as this? You need a fortitude drive the water | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
out the rivers and we don't have that in the Somerset Levels. My hand | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
is horizontal, you have got it I going up and down but basically you | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
have got a horizontal water service said it was no force pushing the | :05:40. | :05:46. | |
water out. -- surface stop if you think about Cardiff Bay on my | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
doorstep. You have a horizontal water level and if you dredge down | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
to some considerable depth of it wouldn't fundamentally make a lot of | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
difference. If not dredging, what is the answer? The Bridgwater Bay | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
lagoon might be the best idea we have to keep Somerset dry in future. | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
A vast barrier into the sea, like the similar scheme for Swansea, that | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
would look good, generate vast amounts of electricity. And it would | :06:14. | :06:20. | |
cost ?80 million. There is no need to be defeatist about flooding. Big | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
projects like the Thames Barrier show if you really care about an | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
area we can keep it safe. The big projects cost big money. The real | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
question is whether the rest of Britain cares enough to save | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
Somerset. Inch roof, the argument is not about dredging. It is not about | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
funding from one year to the next, it is not about the shape of a | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
bureaucracy. It is about priorities. If you don't want to surrender to | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
the water you need massive, expensive, long-term plans. | :06:54. | :07:00. | |
Meanwhile tonight in Wraysbury the waters are still rising. Families | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
are guarding their cold, wet homes for fear of looting. It is not clear | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
anyone has a plan to stop this from happening again. Whose fault is it? | :07:12. | :07:19. | |
Fundamentally it is the weather's fault. We have had the most extreme | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
weather over the course of the last two and a half months that we have | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
ever seen. The highest storm surge on the East Coast for 60 years, the | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
stormiest period over Christmas and New Year, the wettest January ever | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
recorded, the highest waves ever recorded against the south coast. | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
This is extreme natural forces having a go at us. And we need to | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
find the best possible ways of defending ourselves against them. As | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
the Environment Agency made any mistakes? We have all made mistakes. | :07:52. | :07:59. | |
The Environment Agency has done a really good job of protecting 1.3 | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
million homes over the course of the last two months. What mistakes were | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
they? That would have been flooded if our defences hadn't been in | :08:11. | :08:18. | |
place. There are things like last year on the Somerset Levels, when we | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
put ?400,000 on the table to start some real dredging, that was the | :08:25. | :08:33. | |
maximum we were allowed to spend by the Treasury rules that bind us. | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
What we didn't do and we should probably have done, was really twist | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
arms of the other players, the district councils, county council, | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
drainage boards, to come to the table with other contributions. It | :08:46. | :08:55. | |
is something we all should have worked actively on. We were stepping | :08:56. | :09:05. | |
up to the plate and seeing our -- providing our contribution. We put | :09:06. | :09:13. | |
the money on the table, and that at the time was the maximum we were | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
allowed to put on the table by the Treasury 's rules. The Treasury | :09:18. | :09:25. | |
rules determine what we can and cannot do. What has now happened, | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
however, over the course of the last week, are two significant things. | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
One is the government have said there is an extra ?10 million for | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
Somerset, that will be of enormous help. The other thing even more | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
important than that is the Secretary of State for the environment, Owen | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
Paterson, has said the Treasury rules should not apply to Somerset, | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
because it is such a unique landscape. | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
But you knew one year ago, more than that, that there was a need for | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
dredging in those two rivers you mentioned, the River Tone and the | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
River Parrett, yet it never happened. That is why we put our | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
contribution they're ready to be used. It was the fact we didn't get | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
the other money coming in that would have enabled us to do it. Why did | :10:15. | :10:25. | |
the report recommending the dredging to be carried out seems to be | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
removed from your website? I know nothing about that. We have | :10:30. | :10:36. | |
consistently said over the course of the last 12 months we believe | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
dredging of these rivers would make a useful contribution to improving | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
flood defences in the Somerset Levels. But they cannot be | :10:49. | :10:55. | |
quantified GIF -- but they cannot be a conference of solution? You need | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
to do other things as well, hold the water higher up the catchment. | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
Running down into the levels, prevent the River Severn from | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
backing up into the Somerset levels which is does every time the tide | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
comes in. I wonder in your position when you look and there is water | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
everywhere whether you don't think about resigning. The Environment | :11:18. | :11:25. | |
Agency has been doing a really good job at protecting 1.3 million | :11:26. | :11:32. | |
homes. Sadly that doesn't detract from the real misery and distress | :11:33. | :11:39. | |
that is felt by the 5000 people who have been flooded up and down the | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
country, not just in Somerset for the Thames but across the country | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
over the course of the last two months. This is an agency that boys | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
more people than the combined equivalent of France, Germany, | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
Austria. They don't deal with flood defence. We did not only with flood | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
defence, we also deal with industrial waste regulation, a whole | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
range of responsibilities. You have got too much to do. I don't think | :12:10. | :12:15. | |
so. We have something like 3000 staff, who are dedicated to working | :12:16. | :12:22. | |
on flood defence. When there is a flooding emergency, as we have been | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
experiencing over the past two months, we bring in other staff from | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
other parts of the agency to help with the immediate response to the | :12:32. | :12:38. | |
emergency. And that is a very good reason why we need to have the | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
strength of the Environment Agency as a whole in order to assist with | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
coping with flooding. There is another way of looking at it, you | :12:50. | :12:55. | |
could decide the job is too big, some places you should give up on. | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
There are indeed some places, particularly on the coast, where it | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
makes sense to retreat a little bit in order to protect more strongly. | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
Good example of that is an area that we have been lambasted for by one of | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
the local MPs in Somerset, he says we have spent money on creating a | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
bird sanctuary. In fact we have done is created a rather good sea | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
defence. It was old sea defences that were eroding, we retreated | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
further back, we created better, new sea defences, they protect a lot of | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
properties in Somerset. And in the process we have created intertidal | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
habitat that happens to be rather good for birds. Where are the places | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
you should give up one, do you think? I don't think there is | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
anywhere where there is a community or where there is economic activity, | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
or where there is vibrant life going on. I don't think there is anywhere | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
we should simply give up on. We should try and find the best ways of | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
protecting where we possibly can. There will be some areas of land, | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
some areas of Coast, where we probably, in due course, not | :14:14. | :14:20. | |
immediately, need to retreat a little bit in order to protect | :14:21. | :14:22. | |
better. Thank you very much. | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
The question that has kept so many of us awake at night, what exactly | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
is Milibandism, was answered tonight. The Labour leader gave a | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
lecture in which he claimed the core of his party's next election | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
manifesto would be a redistribution of power. After his attacks on the | :14:39. | :14:44. | |
big energy companies and the banks it is possible to make out the | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
silhouette of something. How big the shadow willing to cast if he ever | :14:48. | :14:57. | |
gets the chance of government? When Labour proposed a radical move on | :14:58. | :15:00. | |
the energy market at their conference last year, it was | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
something of a lightbulb movement. The cogs began to whir. The next | :15:06. | :15:12. | |
Labour Government will freeze gas and electricity prices until the | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
start of 2017. Alongside energy, came pay day loan companies, after | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
that the banks. The message was clear, he was out to save the | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
hard-pressed consumer. Tonight, he is looking at reform of a different | :15:25. | :15:31. | |
sector. Public services. Not just the customer in other words, but the | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
patients, the parent, the payer of taxes. The time we are in demands of | :15:37. | :15:49. | |
new culture. More a market based individualalism, unaccountable | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
concentrations of power wherever we find them don't serve the public | :15:53. | :15:55. | |
interest and need to be held to account. | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
Tonight, he talked of reform to health and education. He wants to | :16:00. | :16:06. | |
tackle schools that are failing and to empower the secret weapon, the | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
pushy parent. OK, darling. It is nearly time. OK, maybe not her | :16:13. | :16:22. | |
exactly, but her collective force. Parents given powers to call in a | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
specialist team to boost the per performance of failing schools. One | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
pushy mother isn't convinced. It could become a witch-hunt and they | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
maybe able to vote headteachers out and then it becomes an X Factor | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
situation. The headteacher maybe persuaded to be popular as opposed | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
to doing his or her job for fear of what the parent may say. You are not | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
hearing a voice of collective power, you are hearing a threat of | :16:54. | :17:02. | |
vigilantism? Parents need to look at themselves. A lot of parents send | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
their kids to school not ready to be educated. Mr Miliband's promise to | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
roll back decades of centralisation and accuses the current Government | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
of hoarding power and decision making. Now, it is a powerful | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
argument, every single time it is made. Usually by a party in | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
opposition, but how much changes? Miliband said, "I call it double | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
devolution, not just Kiev devolution that takes it from central | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
Government, but power that goes down to local people providing a critical | :17:36. | :17:38. | |
role for individuals and neighbourhoods." You will see it is | :17:39. | :17:45. | |
from a speech in 2006, in a speech not by Ed, but David Miliband. You | :17:46. | :17:52. | |
have to get your local councillors on side. You have to get your full | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
Cabinet on side and people who are in charge of things like skills or | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
re-offending and you need to get the public to buy into it and for that | :18:04. | :18:09. | |
to happen it needs to be a meaningful for the electorate. Ed | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
Miliband has shown he has an appetite for radical reform. | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
Whatever you make of his plans for the energy companies, the banks, the | :18:19. | :18:25. | |
pay day lenders. Perhaps he set the bar so high that people are | :18:26. | :18:28. | |
expecting real bravery. Anything less would like he is prepared to | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
pick fights with everyone, but the home team. Public services, indeed | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
their staffed by many natural Labour voters. | :18:40. | :18:46. | |
A bit of bank bashing, that goes down well. An attack on bonuses for | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
big businesses, that can sit comfortably in troubled times. But | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
this is a proper test for a Labour leader trying to escape his Red Ed | :18:58. | :19:04. | |
tag. Ensuring the power goes elsewhere, well that takes more than | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
just a bright idea. Here are Liz Kendall the Shadow | :19:11. | :19:19. | |
Health Minister. Were you impressed by this canvass? I thought the | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
speech was fine and it is a speech on public service reform. We haven't | :19:25. | :19:31. | |
had one of those from Ed Miliband. I don't think it was big enough or | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
bold enough to make a breakthrough, but he started, I guess. I wouldn't | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
say there was anything wrong with the speech, but it is not taking him | :19:40. | :19:45. | |
where it needs to get to. Well, that's high praise? Matthew is wrong | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
about that. To talk about the importance of people powered public | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
services, you raised your eyebrow there, Jeremy... That's because it | :19:56. | :20:03. | |
is waffle. If you have seen a patient power to manage their own | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
health condition, if you have seen the parents of children with | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
learning disabilities who have been helped to find out what the best | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
practise is and change that and if you have seen how personal budgets | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
in social care have given people real power and say over their lives, | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
that's life transforming and that's what Ed has been talking about | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
today. Did you think that's what he was talking about? I think those are | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
the themes and Liz feels this stuff strongly. I think what was missing | :20:32. | :20:34. | |
from it was if you go back to Blair's work on public services, he | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
was clear what his target was. He talked about the bureaucratic. He | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
wanted to break-up the big centralised power. What's not quite | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
so clear about Ed Miliband's account, whilst the proposals he has | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
got are fine and the themes are fine. What is his big idea? What | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
binds this stuff together? When you look at the individual policy | :20:57. | :20:59. | |
initiatives, it is not clear what the themes are that's running | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
through them. You didn't see any theme at all? Well, I saw the themes | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
that Liz is talking about. Power to users. Decentralisation, but as your | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
film made clear, it is easy to assert these things, but you need a | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
theory of change. Rhetorical rather than actual? What's the problem. The | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
problem is the way we think about power and policy don't work. | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
Probably the Labour Party is still addicted to those models of power | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
and policy and what Ed hasn't done today is to say to his party, the | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
ways in which we used to think about change don't work anymore. We need a | :21:37. | :21:43. | |
different model of change. Well, I think that Matthew knows that in | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
opposition Tony Blair hadn't really developed his thinking about public | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
service reform. It took him a while when he was in Government and I | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
think Ed is very much ahead of the game here and where Matthew is right | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
is, it is very difficult to give power away. It is difficult for | :22:00. | :22:02. | |
politicians to do that because we often think we know best and you | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
rightly put us under pressure to say what is going to happen and giving | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
power away can be a risk. Does Ed Miliband believe in a smaller State? | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
I think he believes in a reformed State. A different relationship | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
between individuals and the State and what he does believe is that the | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
State can hoard too much power just as the private sector can hoard too | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
much power. One example that he mentioned there, hospitals? Yes. | :22:30. | :22:32. | |
People would be able to have a say in the... Governance of hospitals. | :22:33. | :22:40. | |
But he said, "I'm not going to commit as David Cameron did not to | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
closing any hospitals." That's right, we had David Cameron and | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
Andrew Lansley out with their placards saying they would save | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
hospitals, but they ended up closing them. What's the point of sitting on | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
the board of a hospital... He said you have to give patients and the | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
public more of a role and you have got to have clearer accountability | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
in the consultation. We saw big changes in stroke services in London | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
where they were specialised in regional centres. That was really | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
tough, but the way they made those changes was by going out, involving | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
patients and the public. I can remember being at Victoria Station | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
one day and seeing a huge event where they were asking people for | :23:23. | :23:24. | |
their views. You are never going to get the changes we need unless you | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
really give people a say and make sure that the proper accountability | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
and involvement is there. Your views just need more work, more | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
refinement, more grounding? I think it needs more courage as well. I | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
think that it is still the case that the Labour Party at all levels is | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
full of people who feel that as long as the Labour Party wins the next | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
election through one more heave, they can start pulling the leavers | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
in Whitehall. Whitehall leaver pulling has been unsuccessful. We | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
have had 20 years of reform of our schools, I am not sure they would be | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
any better if there was no reform and you can say more or less the | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
same thing about the Health Service. There is a fundamental problem with | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
policy chakeing and Ed has hinted at it, but he has to give a powerful | :24:11. | :24:13. | |
message and because the Labour Party is committed to statism, you have | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
got to shout this ten times louder than you would normally would for it | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
to breakthrough. Our roots as a party were in | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
community organisations people coming together to help themselves | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
and one another. Thank you very much. | :24:31. | :24:38. | |
Quack medicine is one thing. We can all decide whether to put our faith | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
in so-called traditional cures, but when the ingredients drive a species | :24:42. | :24:44. | |
to the brink of extinction, surely other standards apply. On Thursday | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
Britain plays host to a gathering in London trying to get an | :24:49. | :24:50. | |
international agreement somehow to stop the illegal trade in wildlife. | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
Good luck with that because existing international bans have failed | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
lamentably. The trade is reckoned to be worth over ?6 billion a year, | :24:58. | :25:00. | |
animals dying in great numbers to meet an appetite from unscrupulous | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
dealers supplying rich, stupid people, mainly in Asia. Sue | :25:04. | :25:10. | |
Lloyd-Roberts reports from Vietnam and her report contains some | :25:11. | :25:12. | |
distressing images. I had been given official permission | :25:13. | :25:23. | |
to report on the rhino horn trade in Vietnam and I start by looking for | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
the horn on traditional Chinese medicine street, the place I'm told | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
to buy it. But the poster here warns the trade | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
is now illegal and with my Government minder looking on, I | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
don't have much luck. Do you sell any rhino horn? | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
Does anyone sell n products z products on the street? | :25:48. | :25:54. | |
I'm told that I'm not going to be allowed to film much so I have time | :25:55. | :26:01. | |
on my hands which my minder might have guessed is a dangerous | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
situation to allow a journalist to find herself in. Slipping away that | :26:05. | :26:11. | |
evening, I go shopping again, but with a hidden camera. Now, the | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
traders have no inhibitions like the one I'm directed to in the back of a | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
Taylor's shop. How much are you charging? It is more expensive than | :26:23. | :26:30. | |
gold because of the widely held belief in it's medicinal power. I | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
tell the trader I'm looking for a cancer cure for my husband. | :26:36. | :26:44. | |
He tells me he has several of these horns in stock. They are from the | :26:45. | :26:51. | |
Asian rhino he says which have been hunted out of existence in Vietnam. | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
I make my excuses and leave saying it is out of my price range and I | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
doubt whether it is worth of the money. After all, biologists tell us | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
that it is made of the same material as the human fingernail. This is the | :27:07. | :27:15. | |
horn. When word gets around that I want to buy, I am approached by | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
another trader who offers me horn from Africa. | :27:20. | :27:29. | |
He was particularly obliging, even coming up to my hotel room to show | :27:30. | :27:38. | |
me how to grind it in a special bowl and mix it with water or alcohol to | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
drink. Most of the rhinos in the wild live in South Africa today | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
where more than 1,000 were poached, killed for their horn last year. A | :27:50. | :27:58. | |
40% increase on the year before. Nonetheless rhino hunting is | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
permitted under strict rules. Fewer than 100 experienced hunters can | :28:04. | :28:06. | |
apply for a permit every year to shoot just one rhino and they are | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
required to keep the horn intact as a trophy. The argument is that | :28:13. | :28:19. | |
hunting encourages privately owned rhino parks and therefore, adds to | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
rhino numbers and contributes to the local economy. With no more rhino | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
left in their own country, hundreds of Vietnamese hunters started | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
applying for South African permits. By 2010 more Vietnamese applied to | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
shoot a rhino than any other nationality. But many were selling | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
the horns. Asian criminal gangs were charged with abusing the permit | :28:47. | :28:53. | |
system and in 2012, South Africa banned the Vietnamese from hunting | :28:54. | :28:55. | |
there. I met a wealthy businessman at | :28:56. | :29:11. | |
night. He told me he joined a hunt in South Africa six years ago. He | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
and his friends didn't know how to shoot. Mortally wounded, the rhino | :29:17. | :29:24. | |
limped off. It took three days to find ten kilometres away. | :29:25. | :29:44. | |
So he took a long time to die? Yeah. Everything that he and his friends | :29:45. | :29:56. | |
did up to then was legal. What they did next was not. How much money did | :29:57. | :30:03. | |
the rhino horn make after it was cut up? | :30:04. | :30:10. | |
There is a lot of fake rhino horn around and on my next unofficial | :30:11. | :30:28. | |
shopping expedition I ask for proof. This time I say I am looking for a | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
hangover cure and this man who tells me he is a traditional medicine | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
doctor offers me a slice of rhino horn and a new list of xants that it | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
can -- complaints that it can apparently cure. | :30:43. | :30:57. | |
Is it legal to sell rhino horn in Vietnam? | :30:58. | :31:20. | |
He shows me hunting permits to shoot two rhinos. He took his wife with | :31:21. | :31:27. | |
him. And there is a picture of his 82 old stun -- eight-year-old son | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
standing next to a dead rhino. He shows me the import licence. It says | :31:35. | :31:41. | |
conventional international trade in endangered species. Except that the | :31:42. | :31:48. | |
rules of the convention, of which Vietnam is a symmetry, clearly state | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
the hunting trophy, the horn, must be kept intact, in possession of the | :31:53. | :31:59. | |
hunter, and not under any circumstances solved. A local | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
campaigning group have transmitted shocking and graphic adverts on | :32:05. | :32:11. | |
television. We have blurred this picture of a rhino still alive with | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
its horn and much of its face cut off. | :32:16. | :32:23. | |
The government complained, saying they were too negative. What is the | :32:24. | :32:30. | |
government doing? Five weeks before coming here I had asked to speak to | :32:31. | :32:37. | |
politicians whose job I am told is to stamp out the illegal trade. But | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
when I got here I have been told none of the people I wanted to talk | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
to work available. I am told the topic is too sensitive and five | :32:47. | :32:49. | |
weeks isn't enough time to get everything organised. I get the | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
impression that the problem of the illegal trade in rhino horn here in | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
Vietnam is not regarded as an urgent one. The only official I was allowed | :33:00. | :33:08. | |
to talk to was the man responsible for getting the government to abide | :33:09. | :33:11. | |
by the Convention on trade in endangered species. I put it to him | :33:12. | :33:21. | |
that convention officials had asked Vietnam to introduce new laws to | :33:22. | :33:24. | |
stop punters selling their horns two years ago. -- Unter 's. | :33:25. | :33:32. | |
You cannot submit it in one year. In London this week the | :33:33. | :33:52. | |
international community will be saying they are not doing enough. | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
Procrastination is no longer an option, say the experts. The African | :33:58. | :34:03. | |
rhino now faces extinction. And Vietnam and other countries in Asia | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
must take urgent action to put a stop to this bloody trade. | :34:08. | :34:14. | |
The all-male comedy panel show, the kind we have seen for years and | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
years, is about to end. On the orders of a senior BVC manager every | :34:19. | :34:25. | |
show must have now female representation -- BBC. Why they | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
haven't so far has generated much home-made evolutionary psychology, | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
men need to be able to make women laugh in order to get sex being the | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
commonest theme. When a senior figure at the BBC says jump, we only | :34:37. | :34:45. | |
ask how high will stop --. You can see the most night of the week, be | :34:46. | :34:50. | |
pits disguised as studios in which male comics set out to see who can p | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
higher up the wall. Is it couldn't arrange a Ted in a lavatory? The | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
women who do take part have to adapt to a largish culture and hope their | :35:02. | :35:10. | |
contributions make the final cut. Welcome to biggest historical boots | :35:11. | :35:20. | |
with me, Katie Bryce. It is also true there are many more male | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
comedians than female. Even Jermaine Greer judges that women have not | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
developed the arts of full in, clowning, denies, into a performance | :35:29. | :35:41. | |
as so many men have. Can an edict from immediate naval change that? | :35:42. | :35:48. | |
Here to discuss the subject, and entirely testicle free panel of | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
female comedians and actress and comedian Maureen Lippman is first, | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
the impressionist Jan Ravens, and the stand-up comedian and panel show | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
regular, Lucy Porter. Is this worthwhile? It is very nice to say | :36:02. | :36:11. | |
they will not make any panel shows without women, but it is not the | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
case to just have a token woman. You just feel like the token, and we | :36:16. | :36:22. | |
have got to make it normal, so there are more female hosts, more female | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
team captains, or there is a show, as you have outlined here where | :36:28. | :36:34. | |
there are more of them. What you have done today is what most haven't | :36:35. | :36:40. | |
been able to do. It is a very small desk. Do think it is worthwhile? I | :36:41. | :36:49. | |
am not really for tokenism. Surely it is merely an adequate | :36:50. | :36:54. | |
representation of the population. There is a representation. The | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
problem goes back, is this a programme worth having? I think what | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
has happened is setting women who it does work for, there are women | :37:05. | :37:10. | |
comics like Jo Brand, sandy toxic, who have over the years really, by | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
osmosis, taken on the delivery of men. -- Sandi Tosvig. | :37:16. | :37:30. | |
We don't need to just be talking about female representation on the | :37:31. | :37:37. | |
shows that exist, it is about thinking of some new shows, so that | :37:38. | :37:44. | |
the style of comedy isn't maybe so it yet he later, it is. What does it | :37:45. | :37:53. | |
like appearing on one of those? The only downside is when you are the | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
only woman, you do sort of set out thinking I am representing my entire | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
gender. You don't want that pressure. But what Danny has done is | :38:02. | :38:08. | |
nice but it is responding to what is happening anyway, there is a wider | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
cultural trend towards people saying we would like to see women | :38:13. | :38:19. | |
represented differently. We never get second chance will stop before | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
woman goes on a programme, this does Bobby Blake Joan Bakewell on have I | :38:24. | :38:25. | |
got News for you, Christine Hambleton, Janet Street Porter, but | :38:26. | :38:33. | |
that is it. It is a one-off. We must get loads of different women in, | :38:34. | :38:42. | |
rather than nurture. There is a lack of team captains, regular. And bring | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
in other women so you have always got to. I usual people really care | :38:48. | :38:53. | |
about this? The audience, if you look at the audience for Qi Y, | :38:54. | :39:01. | |
Buzzcocks, it is dominated by women. Higher proportion of women than men. | :39:02. | :39:10. | |
There's roughly a reason why the women are laughing said the men will | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
go home with them afterwards. The whole thing has got to be changed. | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
We should have had a man on this panel tonight. There is not much | :39:19. | :39:27. | |
room. It is not just having a woman, it is the kind of woman. What | :39:28. | :39:30. | |
they quite often do is have a young, pretty girl. We can't have that. If | :39:31. | :39:40. | |
it is supposed to be a comedy show and she isn't funny as well as young | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
and pretty, there are 1 million comedians that could go on the show, | :39:46. | :39:48. | |
but they choose to have, or somebody like... The positive thing is this | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
will change because there are so many women doing comedy really well, | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
Bridget Christie won the comedy awards in Edinburgh, there are still | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
more men than women doing comedy but there are millions of comedians now. | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
Have got too many comedians but luckily that means we have got a lot | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
of women as well. You must remember Nichols and me and Jon Fortune, that | :40:12. | :40:17. | |
was completely equal, there is very little of that about. I have gone | :40:18. | :40:27. | |
completely blank. Do you not remember Mike Nichols and Elaine | :40:28. | :40:30. | |
May? An American duo. So intelligent. That is what we need, | :40:31. | :40:44. | |
more collaborative comedy. Is it a different kind of humour when men | :40:45. | :40:47. | |
and women work well together? Women behave differently when they are on | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
a show with men. They are afraid to be a bit cynical and sneery like | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
they are when they are together. The comedy circuit has changed. It used | :40:56. | :41:02. | |
to be you were the only woman, like a special act, and the clubs have at | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
the Philly sought to have female friendly bills like the stand in | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
Scotland and the glee clubs around the country. They have a nice | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
atmosphere, the dressing rooms are lovely, audience whose love those | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
venues because they know it will not be shouting men. Different kinds of | :41:19. | :41:33. | |
men as well. A lot of actresses, comedians, would say no to being on | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
Mock the week. On what grounds? Fear. It is just a bearpit. I went | :41:39. | :41:46. | |
on it and people say, my God, how brave! For a woman to be yourself, | :41:47. | :41:52. | |
it is quite difficult. Actresses are used to having other people doing | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
the lines for them, not every good comedian is witty. It is quite | :41:57. | :42:07. | |
difficult to interrupted enough. On Mock The Week I spent most of the | :42:08. | :42:18. | |
week... I let you have to be in trainers, you have to run. The News | :42:19. | :42:27. | |
quiz always have loads of women, on the radio. At one stage I'm sorry I | :42:28. | :42:34. | |
haven't a clue hadn't had a woman for ages. We don't touch that, it is | :42:35. | :42:41. | |
a different world. Generally on radio and think things have changed | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
and television is catching up. There are a lot of women who they could | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
ask. Like Tamsin Greg, people from outnumbered. If they would say yes, | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
give them a go. Lots of comedians on the circuit to I haven't seen, who | :42:57. | :43:01. | |
would be brilliant. Sara Pascoe, Rebecca front was good. Thank you | :43:02. | :43:10. | |
all very much. It was announced to day one of the | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
founders of the highly influential doctrine of multiculturalism has | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
died. Stuart Hall, a Jamaican immigrant who became an open | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
University professor, a rather impressive speaker and a hero to | :43:23. | :43:24. | |
readers of the Guardian and New Left Review, was 82. While the philosophy | :43:25. | :43:33. | |
trains its attraction for many -- has lost its attraction for many, it | :43:34. | :43:36. | |
has fallen out of fashion in the last few years. I will discuss his | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
life and legacy but here are a few thoughts shared by him over the | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
years in his own words, accompanied by his beloved jazz. | :43:45. | :43:51. | |
Hello. The programme you are about to see is about national identity, | :43:52. | :43:59. | |
and the importance of national identity in giving us a sense of who | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
we are and where we belong. British nurse was coded racially. You didn't | :44:05. | :44:11. | |
have two say white British. That is what it meant. I didn't think it is | :44:12. | :44:18. | |
true, I think you can be you you are, you can be black, you can have | :44:19. | :44:28. | |
come from a different route via the lonely relation on the Empire | :44:29. | :44:31. | |
Windrush, through migration, into the inner city. This is a British | :44:32. | :44:42. | |
history. We are in the centre of the creative culture of the society who | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
have created in their myriad artforms from writing, poetry, | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
dance, music, right through to wrap, created a new culture, a | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
culture which in its variety and power astonishes. The eyes of | :44:56. | :45:01. | |
young, white people in society, which is a mark, assign that they | :45:02. | :45:08. | |
are the people of the future, and that needs organisation and funding. | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
We have to go out and get it. It is ours. | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
With this now is John Akomfrah, an Artisan Formica who knew him for | :45:18. | :45:20. | |
more than 20 years and recently made a documentary about his life. How | :45:21. | :45:28. | |
significant was his life? Very significant. He was really the last | :45:29. | :45:36. | |
of that great group of intellectuals who came of age in their 50s, fund | :45:37. | :45:44. | |
amount what we thought culture and identity politics would be -- | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
fundamentally. I'm talking about people like Richard Hoggart. He was | :45:50. | :46:00. | |
in that class. Hugely significant. Specifically on multiculturalism, he | :46:01. | :46:03. | |
is called the godfather of multiculturalism, can you explain | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
what he was about that? This is not a term he would have | :46:10. | :46:15. | |
approved of. But in some ways it applies to him, because one of the | :46:16. | :46:22. | |
abiding feelings of his work was the attempt to try and speak to the id | :46:23. | :46:31. | |
stern -- speak about the extent to which a multicultural state both of | :46:32. | :46:43. | |
being and identity, is something that is uniquely British. For Stuart | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
Hall, multiculturalism was his attempt to talk about 400, 500 year | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
history of Britain and its engagement with several parts of the | :46:54. | :47:00. | |
world. And to stress that the parts of the world that Britain went to, | :47:01. | :47:06. | |
it made an impression with people where, and they have come here | :47:07. | :47:12. | |
bringing not just something from outside, but something from the | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
periphery of British life. In that sense, I would say, he is a | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
godfather of multiculturalism. It is a theme in his work he returned to | :47:22. | :47:24. | |
again and again, the periphery is the same as the centre, in some | :47:25. | :47:31. | |
ways. What was he like as a person? He was the most generous person I | :47:32. | :47:37. | |
have ever come across. I was 20 something, making my first film, we | :47:38. | :47:45. | |
have no reason to come, he didn't know what Ron Adam, he came, he | :47:46. | :47:53. | |
spent weeks talking to us about the film, the problem is, how to put it | :47:54. | :48:01. | |
right. And he did this film for countless numbers of people. He was | :48:02. | :48:04. | |
incredibly open and accessible, to thousands of people across the | :48:05. | :48:09. | |
world. I am no exception. I have been taking the films I have made | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
across the world. Literally everywhere I go, I have just come | :48:14. | :48:18. | |
back from India, people come to me and say how was he? He did this on | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
my thesis. He worked on this with my dissertation. | :48:23. | :48:30. | |
Stewart Stewart Stewart Stewart Stuart | :48:31. | :48:40. | |
Beyond that everything was OK. Well, that's almost it for tonight. | :48:41. | :48:50. | |
Time for the papers. Well we start with the Scots Man. The Scottish | :48:51. | :48:56. | |
Mail has Scottish counsels paying out -- councils paying out millions | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
to motorists cars who have been damaged by potholes. | :49:03. | :49:06. | |
That's it from us. Don't forget, that if women have got a majority on | :49:07. | :49:12. | |
Newsnight, well there is hope for all of us. Good night, sisters! | :49:13. | :49:17. |