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A The confrontation between a pro-Russian President and largely | :00:00. | :00:10. | |
pro-western demonstrators in Ukraine, looks as if it has come to | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
a head tonight. 14 people are reported dead. Thousands of police | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
are on the streets tonight in the centre of Kiev, protestors' tents | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
were set on fire, and there is predictions from Government | :00:25. | :00:26. | |
politicians that the demonstrations will be snuffed out tonight. Things | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
have already turned fatally violent. Can the country decide which way it | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
faces without further loss of life. And this... Calm yourself, man! The | :00:38. | :00:45. | |
lion must get back in its den! The public claim to hate all this | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
shouting, why do politicians think it is so big and clever? Farewell | :00:49. | :00:59. | |
Scott, for yo march leads only to death. Scott of the Antarctic gained | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
an immortality by failing to be the first man to the south pole. Now | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
another Britain has made exactly the same journey, we will ask Ben | :01:10. | :01:19. | |
Saunders what was he trying to provek Ben Saunders what was he | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
trying to prove? The drawn out couldn't frontation between the | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
President of the Ukraine and the protesters on the streets of his | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
capital intensified today and violence is on going. The police | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
storming the main camp right now. These are live pictures. 14 people | :01:35. | :01:40. | |
are said to have died there. There are fires on the roads into the city | :01:41. | :01:46. | |
and the hero of the protestor, the former heavyweight boxer, Mr Klitko | :01:47. | :01:54. | |
is off to see the President. The television channel reporting the | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
protests has shut down. Quite how and why the conflict suddenly | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
intensified seems still unclear. Joining us now live from Kiev is our | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
correspondent David Stern, it's too dangerous to broadcast outside so | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
let's have a talk to him in the studio. | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
What exactly set all this off? It is difficult to say what exactly set it | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
all off. The violence started early this morning, when protestors tried | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
to march on parliament where deputies were meeting to try to find | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
a resolution or way out of the crisis. But it very quickly | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
escalated. I was out on the streets this morning, as it raged out of | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
control, and in contrast to earlier clashes between riot police and | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
protestors, this was in a number of places. It would break out in one | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
spot and then break out in another spot. I saw protestors hurling | :02:50. | :02:55. | |
petrol bombs, bricks that they had ripped up from the street and the | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
police were returning fire with rubber bullets and stun grenades, | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
the sound was deafening. The smell of acrid smoke from burning tyres | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
and also from the teargas was everywhere. And then the violence | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
continues this evening with the protestors hunkered down in | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
Independence Square, that is their base of operation, it has been since | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
the protests began three months ago. At one end of the square the | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
protestors and the riot police are fighting again. The question is now | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
what will happen, will this he is can late further and will the | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
divisions between the Ukrainian protestors and the Government become | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
even greater? And will it carry over into Ukraine society as a whole. | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
When you look at the scenes on the streets there, is there a sense of | :03:46. | :03:57. | |
this being an endAnd will it carry over into Ukraine society as a | :03:58. | :03:59. | |
whole. When you look at the scenes on the streets there, is there a | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
sense of this being an end came It is difficult to say, people are | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
talking about Civil War. We are not there yet, the violence is | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
concentrated in Kiev, we have seen clashes in other cities. For the | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
most part it hasn't carried over into the countryside. But Civil War | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
is a possibility. So as I say, there seems to be a head being reached now | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
and a decisive moment of sorts. We will probably see more decisive | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
moments further down the road as well. Thank you very much for | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
joining us. Alan Little has been following the day's events. His | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
report contains some disturbing images. It is not clear what tipped | :04:36. | :04:45. | |
this long stand-off into open conflict. But the escalation when it | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
came was sudden, dramatic and deadly. Tonight Independence Square, | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
where anti-Government protestors have been camped, largely peacefully | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
for week, is burning. What began as an attempt to keep Ukraine on the | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
path to mainstream European democracy, even to European Union | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
membership one day has descended dangerously now into open civil | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
conflict. Protestors tore cobble stones from the streets, police, | :05:14. | :05:20. | |
defensive fired teargas round, used water canon, and some say live | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
rounds to try to gain control of the streets. TRANSLATION: I think today | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
after all this the people will rise up for real. You must understand for | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
people to really rise up what is needed. It lasted hours, as the | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
violence tore through the heart of Kiev, it was clear lives were being | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
lost. Three dead bodies lay in the street, three more in a building | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
close to the parliament. Hundreds are reported injured. The sight of | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
police officers retreating injured and in fear of their lives will | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
inflame opinion among those Ukrainians who support the | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
Government, at present Viktor Yanukovych. As many, especially in | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
the Russian speaking south and east of the Ukraine do. Reports that | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
policemen have been killed tonight will harden attitudes further. Many | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
in Ukraine's Government and crucially in Russia see the protests | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
as a criminal and even terrorist enterprise, supported by western | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
Intelligence Services. Ukraine is tonight more polarised than it has | :06:19. | :06:25. | |
been for years. TRANSLATION: In this situation leaders of the opposition | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
should take all responsibility for everything that is happening today | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
on the streets of Kiev. Over the past two days they themselves | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
announced today's march, which grew into a military confrontation. | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
Earlier it seemed tension was easing, protesters had even begun | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
leaving occupied buildings in return for guarantee they wouldn't be | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
prosecuted. But in parliament, opposition MPs trying to change the | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
constitution rein in the power of the President found their efforts | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
thwarted by the Government. Scuffles broke out, soon the conflict spilled | :06:58. | :07:05. | |
on to the streets. TRANSLATION: President Yanukovych must turn his | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
facts into parliament as required by the constitution, to vote for our | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
document and start solving the political crisis within parliament | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
and not in the streets with clashes, riot police and Special Forces. | :07:16. | :07:22. | |
Protests began in November when President Yanukovych, who has always | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
been backed by Russia, rejected a deal with the European Union, in | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
favour of closer ties with Moscow. Pro-democracy activists, especially | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
in Kiev and the west of the country, which feels itself closer to the | :07:35. | :07:37. | |
traditions of central Europe, saw that as a betrayal of Ukraine's | :07:38. | :07:44. | |
democratisation. And its progress to the European mainstream. The | :07:45. | :07:47. | |
conflict started about European integration and the question whether | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
Ukraine should go east or west, but the course of events it is in a way | :07:53. | :08:00. | |
united Ukraines from the two -- Ukrainians against corruption and | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
excessive use of force, right now we see a struggle between the ruling | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
regime and the protestors for human rights. But Ukraine is a country | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
pulled in opposite directions by its neighbours. The magnetic draw of the | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
European destiny offered by the EU is countered by the gravitational | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
pull of Moscow. And in future a Russian sphere of influence. In the | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
long run the Ukraine must find way to reconcile these two impulses. But | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
tonight, and urgently, the Government and the opposition must | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
find a way to pull the country back from the violence into which that | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
divide has tipped it. We're joined now from Kiev by the opposition MP, | :08:44. | :08:52. | |
from the UDA party, and by the professor from Yale University | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
talking to us from Vienna. Can you tell me please first off what is the | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
feeling like on the streets tonight, what is actually happening there? It | :09:01. | :09:09. | |
is a large scale attack on the Midan, the main camp of the | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
protestors. The fires have been going for more than four hours. One | :09:14. | :09:23. | |
of the police were boasting to the Russian side that Midan will be done | :09:24. | :09:30. | |
in a few hours but they continue. Klitschko the leader of the | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
opposition and another opposition leader went to meet Mr Yanukovych | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
and try to achieve some kind of ceasefire. But they, as far as I | :09:38. | :09:46. | |
know, are still not met by Yanukovych, it is a continuation of | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
violence still. Professor snider, you have made a long study of this, | :09:53. | :10:04. | |
what is this conflict really about? It is fundamentally about the rule | :10:05. | :10:07. | |
of law and the desire to live in place that is not corrupt, a place | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
where they know the children will be in school and they won't have to | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
bribe people. That is what they mean by Europe. They believe, many | :10:15. | :10:20. | |
Ukrainians and most believe they are ruled by a corrupt regime and | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
enriched itself from them, and in the last few weeks used violence | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
against them. That is what the conflict is fundamentally about. On | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
both sides there are now other actors who are highly engaged. In | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
the Russian case probably over engaged.engaged. , , to an outsider | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
looks extremely serious. When you have scenes like this on the streets | :10:42. | :10:47. | |
of a capital city, it looks very bad indeed. This is a defining moment, | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
do you think, professor, in how this confrontation is going to be | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
resolved? Well this is as bad as it has gotten. This is as bad as | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
anything has been in Ukraine, since Ukraine became an independent state | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
a quarter of a century ago. This is the worst moment of violence in this | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
series of protests. This could still get worse. The problem with today's | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
choice to use violence against the protestors is that it is going to | :11:17. | :11:18. | |
put Yanukovych in a position where he may have to choose whether or not | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
to double down. It is really unclear to me, as I think it is to most | :11:23. | :11:32. | |
observers is what to do next. Do you use more violence or begin | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
negotiations? This is as bad as it has gotten, but there are more | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
turning points ahead of us. Is it possible to see a resolution of this | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
crisis while the President stays in power? Well, we had all our hopes | :11:45. | :11:51. | |
for quite a long time, but actually probably one of the core reasons | :11:52. | :11:59. | |
that it came to that violence and that aggressive behaviour is because | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
Yanukovych and his entourage tried to ignore people's demands. For | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
three months in a row we saw he met no demands from the protesters. It | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
was simple at the beginning, actually punishment of those police | :12:16. | :12:25. | |
officers that beat innocent students on November 30th. Then freeing older | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
people who were in detention for political reasons. And also the | :12:30. | :12:38. | |
Government who did really poorly economically and actually stopped | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
the European integration. Those three conditions were very simple to | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
meet, but the Government wanted to continue on its own ways. It came to | :12:48. | :12:56. | |
that point of violence. The BBC learned today that the | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
National Health Service is postponing the implementation of a | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
new computer database. The NHS has blown billions of duff computer | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
systems before. This scheme is controversial because so many people | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
are worried about the implications of plans to share treatment records. | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
Possibly even with drug companies. The Information campaign to reassure | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
people hasn't been a screaming success, with some polls showing | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
four out of five doctors don't even understand how the thing would work. | :13:26. | :13:33. | |
Joining me now is our chief correspondent, you are just starting | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
here. There is a whiff of panic about this. This system was meant to | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
get going in days. It was designed to suck out your GP records into a | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
central database where most of that information would be anonymously | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
held. But it could be in a useable way, analysed and potentially | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
revolutionally for researchers and one day for drug companies to look | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
at patterns of disease, public health and the like. There is a | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
logic here because a similar system already exists for hospital, linking | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
up hospitals and GP surgeries where the majority of care takes place | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
makes sense. In recent days the volume of complaints h soared, | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
anxiety about potential data breaches and privacy, probably the | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
trickyist complaint of all is made by doctors, that frankly, huge | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
numbers of their patients hadn't a clue about what was about to happen | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
and they didn't want to detend fend it in front of them. -- defend it in | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
front of them. Those millions of leaflets doesn't seem to make a | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
difference, as they came through with a pizza menu most didn't | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
understand it was going to make changes. Have you had one? As a | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
straw poll of two, I haven't had one so neither you, 0%. Here to discuss | :14:42. | :14:48. | |
these issues is the GP representative for NHS England. This | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
isn't going to happen now immediately. Is it going to happen | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
for sure in six months time? I would absolutely hope so. OK so there is | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
nothing wrong with the policy it is a question of the failure to | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
communicate properly? It is amazing that something that has the | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
potential to transform the way we look after patients, something that | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
has been signed up by the major patient charities in this country | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
and one of the only parts of the Health and Social Care Bill that the | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
RCGP agreed to is having such bad press. My sense is it is caught up | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
in the age of mistrust, it is caught up in a lot of noise that's going on | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
around it, such as the mistrust happening around Snowden, and | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
actually it is something that is very positive that will help deliver | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
better patient care and better health services. Why have you so | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
singularly failed to communicate that to the public? There is an | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
issue there, of course there is. There has been failure to | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
communicate this. As I have said, if I was to back, to look at how we can | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
do this again, which actually we are going to do, we need to have a | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
relook at it, a relook at how we are going to inform the public of the | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
benefits of this programme. And actually start working with some of | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
the patient organisations that are concerned about this, to highlight | :16:12. | :16:18. | |
the real benefits to call all all of us. You would admit you have messed | :16:19. | :16:25. | |
up the communication? I do think there has been an issue, but dare I | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
blame the press. Why blame the mess, we haven't had them, take a poll of | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
all the technicians, I don't think anyone has any of these things? | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
There is major newspapers saying that police are getting access and | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
the information will be sold to insurance companies and for | :16:44. | :16:45. | |
commercial companies. It is misinformation. Can you give a | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
guarantee it will never be sold to insurance companies? It is illegal | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
to sell it for commercial purposes. There is no chance of it going to | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
drug companies? It depend what is they want, they can have access to | :16:59. | :17:04. | |
data now, if a drug company puts in an appropriate research protocol, | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
they have a legitimate reason to look at this. We are not talking | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
about drug companies to do it and then to sell you drugs and drop on | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
your doorstep a drug you don't want. My question is whether it could be | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
sold to drug companies? It will not be sold to drug companies. If you | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
ask would a drug company, could a drug company have a legitimate use | :17:25. | :17:30. | |
for information in monitoring long-term medications of course. | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
Private healthcare providers? They will not get access to this data. | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
All of them? Again, if a private health company wants to put in a | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
legitimate research protocol that goes through the ethical and legal | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
framework that anybody else has to, then they may potentionally have it | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
if they want to do something. Commercial entities will | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
potentionally have access? Commercial entities will not have | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
access to this data in order to start selling you products, to drop, | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
as you mentioned with the pizza, to drop advertising and material on | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
your desk. No that is you, you have done that? Neither would insurance | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
companies, neither will the police. This is for legitimate reasons, for | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
the first time in the history of the NHS we will bring together data that | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
is collected by myself in the practice with hospital data. The | :18:21. | :18:23. | |
other thing people are concerned about is precisely how easy it would | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
be to identify them. David Davis has already cited one case he has his | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
nose broken five times, matched that up, the number of people with | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
five-times broken nose is not very many, 100 or so? Yes, if you want to | :18:38. | :18:52. | |
take very... What about dip -- dyptheria vaccinations and dates? If | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
you are asking that vaccination and your date of birth, again it would | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
be very difficult. Will people's postcodes be disclosed? The way the | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
information, as your report said, it will be sucked up into a central | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
computer system, postcode, NHS number will be taken up into a | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
centralised system, in order to link it with the data that we have | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
already in hospitals. If you want to use it for research purpose, you | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
will have to go through proper ethical and legal process, that data | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
will not be entified. It will be what's called pseudo anonymised, | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
scrambled up. The only way you will have it is scrambled up data. When | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
you look in an organisation like the National Security Agency in the | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
United States, the most highly classified secrets in the world and | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
yet still man can get in there and publish them wherever he likes. We | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
can't have any confidences in these assurances you are giving? You have | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
had it for 25 years. Can you do a better job of keeping secrets than | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
the National Security Agency? Fortunately it is not my job because | :19:58. | :20:00. | |
I don't understand computers. But for 25 years there hasn't been a | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
breach of information to the level that you have just been decribing in | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
the national security office. Do you know how many serious data breaches | :20:10. | :20:12. | |
there have been in the last two years? I have been told, I do know, | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
it was on the front page of a major newspaper. What were you told? I | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
think there was something like 2,000 day if I remember rightly. Two | :20:22. | :20:28. | |
million a year? Two million start of 2011 and now? The vast majority of | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
those, the NHS needs to keep up with the times, the vast majority were | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
notes left on the back of cars, data stick, computers with information | :20:39. | :20:45. | |
not encrypted, what this is about is a safe, secure, legally binding | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
system held within the information centre which, as I have said up | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
until now, has not had a data breach. What's wrong with Wales, if | :20:53. | :21:01. | |
you wanted to keep a mouthful of teeth it wasn't a question you asked | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
there about this time of night. Now the chances are you will find plenty | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
Welsh people trying to give an answer. Wales is in trouble, | :21:10. | :21:12. | |
particularly in education. As its ambitions have grown, its | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
achievements have tumbled. A committee of the Welsh great and | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
good reports very soon on whether the cure for the failures of the | :21:21. | :21:23. | |
devolved Government of Wales is to give it more power. John Humphreys | :21:24. | :21:30. | |
who began his journalistic career as a cub reporter on the Mabinogion has | :21:31. | :21:43. | |
been back. A century ago Wales had two things | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
in abundance, coal and confidence. The one a consequence of the other. | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
This port in Cardiff exported more coal than any other port in the | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
world. It came from the Welsh valleys, just north of here. Every | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
other village pretty much had its own colliery. Now they have gone. | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
And with the coal has gone much of that confidence. The economy was | :22:06. | :22:16. | |
devastated. And yet, what you won't find in | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
Wales is many people had amenting the good old days. Because they | :22:21. | :22:27. | |
weren't good. Too many miners were killed in accidents, far too many | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
died slow deaths from the dust in their links. Promises were made when | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
the pits closed and the miners' jobs went with them, there would be new | :22:39. | :22:45. | |
jobs. But a town like Merthyr, built on coal and iron and once the | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
richest town in Wales, has gone through some terrible times and is | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
still in a bad way. And what has devolution done for Merthyr and for | :22:54. | :23:09. | |
Wales? (Children speak in Welsh a welcome) The Welsh heritage at least | :23:10. | :23:16. | |
as far as mining is concerned has goner? I think it is a shame. You | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
want your boy to go down the pit, I bet you wouldn't? No, but I think | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
there has been a loss to the valleys with a lot of self-respect and | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
industry has gone. It is part of our culture and heritage, it is part of | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
our identity. If you speak to some people in Merthyr and in the | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
concerning valleys, they have lost a sense of identity. There is a loss | :23:39. | :23:45. | |
because there aren't the stilled jobs they want to do. Jane's son is | :23:46. | :23:52. | |
at this school in Merthyr, a lovely little school doing well, but there | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
are many struggling. A recent OECD report found that Welsh education | :23:59. | :24:05. | |
had crashed down the PISA international league table, way | :24:06. | :24:07. | |
behind the rest of the UK in reading, maths and science. School | :24:08. | :24:14. | |
inspections in Wales found that one in four secondary schools were | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
unsatisfactory. And many blamed the changes brought in by the first | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
devolved Government 15 years ago, led by Labour ever since. At one | :24:24. | :24:31. | |
time we, I include myself in this, were immensely proud of what was | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
happening in schools throughout Wales. After deaf illusion what? I | :24:36. | :24:43. | |
think -- after devolution, what? When the Government came in they | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
were optimistic about what could be achieved in Wales. We have had | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
success, in some schools they tended to abandon the direct teaching of | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
phonics that we talked about earlier. I think that was perhaps | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
one of the mistakes that people made at that time. During the years I | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
think the Welsh Assembly has tried to produce a lot of initiatives. | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
Sometimes they haven't always given them a chance to embed. They haven't | :25:11. | :25:22. | |
always consulted with teachers at grassroots levels. We do have | :25:23. | :25:25. | |
schools with high standards and the challenge, I feel, for the Welsh | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
Assembly, to ensure that all schools improve and have that consistency in | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
terms of the quality they provide for their children. The Welsh First | :25:34. | :25:41. | |
Minister does not deny there are problems. What is wrong with he had | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
cautious can you argue, can't you, that you judge a nation by its | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
education, and judge its future by its education? We got rid of | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
testing, we relied on teachers to assess children. I think we have to | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
take another look at that. Because we know the teachers will assess | :25:57. | :26:00. | |
children in a particular way, and they may be overdoing it. We need to | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
make sure that teachers are able to benchmark their assessments in an | :26:05. | :26:07. | |
objective fashion. I think there is something we do need to revisit. | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
What isn't right is all our schools are bad, we have some excellent | :26:13. | :26:15. | |
schools, but we need to make sure those at the bottom raise their | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
standards to catch up. And that's why we have launched for example a | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
scheme called Schools Challenge Wales, where the bottom 40 schools | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
will receive money and sphere help them to catch up. Professor David | :26:27. | :26:34. | |
Reynolds of Southampton University is an expert on education and | :26:35. | :26:37. | |
advising the Welsh Government on how to improve its performance. In terms | :26:38. | :26:45. | |
of Government and success of devolution and Wales how important | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
is it? Vital, because an area where we have devolved powers, and if we | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
wish for more powers we would need to be showing that we can exercise | :26:55. | :27:07. | |
the present one as wellan exercise the present one as well. If you are | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
looking at the PISA numbers and you are seeing Wales and 40, and you see | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
Poland with cleverer kids for a third of the wages, the factory goes | :27:18. | :27:25. | |
to Poland. Merthyr needs to attract business, nearly a third of the | :27:26. | :27:28. | |
people work for the Government in one way or another. One was Kelly | :27:29. | :27:31. | |
who lives with her husband and three children on this big housing estate, | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
she lost her job last month, and they are husband has been looking | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
for work for five years. What happened to Merthyr, I lived here | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
many years ago admit lead and it was a very, at one point a very | :27:46. | :27:51. | |
prosperous town? The factories that were keeping people in jobs have | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
closed down and moved away. And the only proper industry around here now | :27:57. | :28:03. | |
is retail. Unfortunately. There is no, apart from the meat factory. Not | :28:04. | :28:12. | |
very nice jobs there? Not very nice jobs, and most of the people who | :28:13. | :28:18. | |
work there are Portuguese and Polish because that company is run by a | :28:19. | :28:21. | |
certain agency and they like to get the Portuguese and Polish in. Plus | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
you know they come over here they want a job and they will take | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
anything. And local people are not so keen on that. I don't know many | :28:30. | :28:35. | |
people actually who work there. But yeah, the only real industry around | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
here is retail. It is an odd thing in way, because retail to succeed | :28:41. | :28:46. | |
needs customers and customers have to have money, there is no money | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
because there is no jobs. Yes, it is a vicious circle. Do you have any | :28:51. | :28:57. | |
thoughts about weather devolution -- whether devolution has made a | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
difference. A significant difference to your lives? At the moment, with | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
the state that Wales is in I don't think devolution is the way. I would | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
love for Wales to be independent and I'm a nationalist through and | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
through. But unfortunately I can see so many problems. My impression is | :29:19. | :29:25. | |
that the Welsh are generally more enthusiastic about devolution than | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
they were when I lived here as a young man. Many English speakers, | :29:30. | :29:32. | |
the majority, of course, think there has been too much focus on promoting | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
the Welsh language. But there is no denying it has been effective. I | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
think the whole language and culture area I think is great success. And | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
the paradox is we were a success there but we don't seem to be able | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
to replicate that success so far. That's wonderful in lots of ways, | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
but it is not going to make Wales a success on the world stage? No it is | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
not. Develop ing a culture could lead into a country which is a theme | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
park for other people to come visit. We don't want that. We want to be a | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
country with culture, but a country with an industrial sector too. | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
Because that would have to underpin the prospect of our people -- | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
prosperity of our people. Maybe the answer is to give the Welsh | :30:18. | :30:20. | |
Government more power. The commission set up by London agreed | :30:21. | :30:23. | |
with that. The question is how much more? You don't want independence, | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
you don't even envisage the possibility of independence, but you | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
do want more devolution, when does it stop? When does that process | :30:32. | :30:37. | |
stop, what more do you want? What What we need in the UK, call it a | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
constitutional convention to make sure that everybody what the | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
destination is, so there is a common way of devolving power in the future | :30:47. | :30:49. | |
so there is a proper place for England in the UK constitution, | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
which doesn't really exist at the moment, and everything is lob sided | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
at the moment. We need to make sure that changes in the future, | :30:58. | :31:00. | |
regardless of the result in Scotland. Wales had to change, with | :31:01. | :31:07. | |
or without devolution, the end of mining saw to that. But not | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
everything is different. The valleys still, praise be, have their male | :31:12. | :31:18. | |
voice choirs, like this one. And these MEP -- men are pretty | :31:19. | :31:30. | |
sanguine, only one wanted independence and he was English. | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
They want to get their schools right again and then we will see. Of the | :31:34. | :31:41. | |
many aspects of modern politics that go down like a bucket of cold sick | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
with the public, pre-eminent is the weekly bout of name-calling, jeering | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
and finger-pointing and other juvenile behaviour that goes by the | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
name of Prime Minister's Question Time. In his very first speech as | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
Tory leader David Cameron attacked what he called "Punch and Judy | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
politics", still he plays Mr Punch in politics each week and the | :32:04. | :32:09. | |
Speaker still revels in his own part as the Policeman, coming up with his | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
own lines telling MPs to "pipe down". The Speaker has written to | :32:16. | :32:24. | |
parties to tell MPs to knock it off. Let me ask him this... . Eering and | :32:25. | :32:39. | |
shouting) Quiet yourself. The hard-won | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
credibility we wouldn't have if we listened to the muttering idiots | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
sitting next to me. I have always found the hurly burly of Prime | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
Minister's Questions one of the best ways of finding out what a | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
politician is really like. Without that noisy House of Commons chamber | :32:58. | :32:59. | |
would we know that the usually smooth and civil David Cameron has a | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
slightly mean Flashman streak. Or that Ed Miliband can be wooden and | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
dithery under pressure. But as entertaining as journalists in the | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
press gallery find PMQs, those sitting in the public gallery are | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
rather less enthusiastic. They think there is too much party political | :33:18. | :33:20. | |
points scoring, it is too aggressive and doesn't always deal with the | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
important issues facing the country. I guess they didn't let women into | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
the Bullingdon club either, there we go. The House of Commons speaker, | :33:29. | :33:36. | |
John Bercow is naturally unsettled by this, and calling for decorum | :33:37. | :33:42. | |
rather than decible, less of the public school twitishness, but not | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
quite a call for Trappist amongst. Personally I think that any move to | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
make the Commons more like a monastery would be doing the public | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
a disservice. Some of the worst decisions the parliament has made | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
have been when the three parties cheerily nodded and agreed on an | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
issue rather than dissecting a bad bill. The one thing worse than a | :34:06. | :34:11. | |
passionate democracy would be a consensual and defer relation one. | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
Winston Churchill saw this when he was urged by MPs to rebuild a bombed | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
Commons with a circular chamber. He warned that he had seen many ardent | :34:21. | :34:26. | |
and ernest parliaments destroyed by this system. But the former Cabinet | :34:27. | :34:30. | |
Secretary was the only person he could see in an empty Select | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
Committee hearing a few weeks ago. If the public want to see ernest | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
lengthy debate parliament offers plenty of that. The problem is few | :34:39. | :34:43. | |
people attend these sessions, as is the case in Congress in the states | :34:44. | :34:53. | |
perhaps there isn't enough drama. Ed Miliband did try to tone things down | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
at the start of this year, but his new consensual approach fell flat | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
with his MPs looking far too somber. One of the problems is Conservative | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
MPs have organised themselves to make as much noise as possible at | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
PMQ, they are called the Q-Team, and include rowdy hecklers including the | :35:11. | :35:17. | |
PPS and the Skills Minister. They were only responding to Labour | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
heckler, the Shadow Justice Secretary, shadow leader of the | :35:23. | :35:24. | |
house, Shadow Cabinet office minister and the shadow char. They | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
are all -- Shadow Chancellor. They are all as bad as each other. But | :35:30. | :35:41. | |
while PMQs is as much as stoking primal enthusiasm, like these masks, | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
MPs could make it better. This is the one opportunity each week to | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
hold the Prime Minister to account. Some of the backbenchers choose to | :35:50. | :35:52. | |
waste their questions by sucks up to their boss in the vain hope of a | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
promotion. Others choose to Colleagues who -- jeer colleagues. | :35:58. | :36:04. | |
The Prime Minister could start leading by example if he wants | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
things to change. You really are a very overexcitable individual, you | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
need to write out 1,000 times, "I will behave myself at Prime | :36:15. | :36:22. | |
Minister's Questions". . With us now to discuss all this is the | :36:23. | :36:24. | |
Conservative MP, Jacob Rees-Mogg, and from Bristol the Liberal | :36:25. | :36:33. | |
Democrat Tessa Munt. Are you embarrassed that this is what the | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
public see of parliament? It is the bit they look at and join. They like | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
Prime Minister's Questions and watch it far more than any other bit of | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
parliament. They sadly don't listen to my long and worthy speeches. | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
Tessa Munt, he has a point, it does at least bring parliament into the | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
public eye? Yes it does, but for all the wrong reasons, I would say. I | :36:56. | :36:58. | |
don't think that the playground of that particular political arena is | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
very sensible at all. I think it is clear from the happen standard | :37:03. | :37:09. | |
report -- Hansard report that the public think it is very good. You | :37:10. | :37:14. | |
haven't a very good speaker at present that could be the | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
explanation? We have a reforming speaker at present. It never crossed | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
my mind when I was selected that there would never be a time when | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
select committees are appointed rather than elected, which I was. | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
There are a number of things he has done, and I suspect PMQs will be the | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
last and next one, so. Is it a male thing, do you think, Jacob | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
Rees-Mogg? I don't know, in the pictures that came up there were | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
quite a number of lady MPs who also heckled. But I think it is actually | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
a democratic thing. That people feel the points they are arguing about | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
very strongly, they want to put them across forcefully. Ed Miliband | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
thinks David Cameron should be... You don't believe that? I do. It is | :37:56. | :38:03. | |
all you people who were in the Oxford Union, jeering, cheering? It | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
is not. I fundamentally disagree, and actually the reason people enjoy | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
this programme is because you are good at skewering politician, it | :38:12. | :38:15. | |
makes politics exciting. Now you are doing the finger pointing? I do | :38:16. | :38:21. | |
apologise. You go ahead. I don't call you any names? Well the Prime | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
Minister very rarely calls people names. By and large it is questions | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
about policy and they are forcefully held views that the opposition is | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
challenging the Government about its economic, health and education | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
policies. Those things are felt strongly. Politicians aren't | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
entirely cynical operatives, they do actually believe in things and have | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
principles. Why are you shaking your head, doesn't this apply to you? No, | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
I think it is tosh, if you want to listen to people being held to | :38:54. | :38:56. | |
account for their views and policies go to the ordinary question session | :38:57. | :38:59. | |
that is take place at the beginning of every day in parliament. Prime | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
Minister's Questions is just a complete charade, it is ludicrous | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
behaviour, it is completely stupid. It is just like I guess a public | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
school debating club or something. It is just rubbish that this holes | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
the Prime Minister to account. There is all sorts of questions that if | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
anyone mentions the word "Europe" or "one-nation" the whole place bursts | :39:22. | :39:26. | |
into flames and everybody just, I don't know it is ridiculous. I have | :39:27. | :39:29. | |
been in there and I have actually writen to the speaker on occasion, | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
last year, when it just got completely ridiculous and people | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
were being bullied. There is a savage undertone to some of this. | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
Some people stand in the chamber to ask their questions and they are | :39:43. | :39:46. | |
bullied relentlessly by the other side or people behind them or | :39:47. | :39:50. | |
whatever. It is very unattractive to try to persuade people to go into | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
politics if that is what they say they have to go through. Who are the | :39:55. | :40:01. | |
worst offenders? Goodness me I wouldn't know, I couldn't name | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
people. I expect that probably if you went back to the speakers tapes. | :40:06. | :40:11. | |
If you care so much name some names? Well there was a comment last week | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
wasn't there where somebody said it would be quite nice to have day in | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
parliament where Mr Gov, he's name wasn't mentioned for some reason of | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
behavioural. Apart from the Secretary of State for Education | :40:25. | :40:27. | |
anybody else? I think there are people on every side. I think there | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
are people who. I don't engage in this stuff. Even sainted Liberal | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
Democrats? There might be, I don't engage in that and I have encouraged | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
us not to do that. Let's have some names? There are people who are | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
cloud and enthusiastic, I sit in front of those people. Who are | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
there? I'm not going to mention them there are enough of them engage | :40:51. | :40:53. | |
anything that. There are rumours that the whips sent out | :40:54. | :41:01. | |
congratulatory texts to the major t parties about doing well done about | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
the wall of sound. We are getting tittle tattle thirdhand of what is | :41:06. | :41:12. | |
happening in different situationingses, and you have named | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
Michael Gove and everything names him? We want to make sure that the | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
issue of harrassment and bullying that takes place needs to be sorted | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
out. It is for people to adjust their own behaviour. Frankly, I have | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
been to a county council meeting earlier on this evening, if a town | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
council behaved in that way they would be put in special measures. If | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
we had children behavic like this in school they would be taken out and | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
dealt with. Is there any chance of this changing? I hope not, it would | :41:42. | :41:50. | |
be ghastly if the Commons were stopped. You wouldn't let children | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
behave like this in class? Children in class are being taught things | :41:56. | :41:58. | |
specifically and are meant to be learning. In the House of Commons we | :41:59. | :42:01. | |
are challenging ideas and in the heat of debate some ideas and | :42:02. | :42:04. | |
individuals fail. That's very important. Because we want a lead | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
whore is tough enough to be able to cope with a few people Braing at | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
him. It is not the end of the world. For God's sake look after our | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
people, the last words written by Captain Robert Falcon Scott in his | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
diary just before dying in Antarctica, retain their resonance | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
after 100 years. Famously Captain Scott had set tout plant the British | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
flag at the South Pole, discovered he was beaten by the Norwegians, and | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
perished in the bitterist of bitter cold trying to walk 700 mimes back | :42:38. | :42:45. | |
to the expedition baize. Now two Antarctic explorers have made the | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
same journey, without the same dramatic consequences. One of them | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
is here, Ben Saunders, why did he do it? One of the most bute of places | :42:55. | :43:06. | |
on earth, Antarctica is not for the faint hearteded, temperatures can | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
fall to minus 27 Celsius. And the distances are prodigious. In 1927 | :43:13. | :43:23. | |
Robert Falcon Scott took a hand-picked team to claim the pole | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
for the British Empire. They were beaten to it and never completed the | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
return journey, perishing a dozen miles short of their final food | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
depot. In over 100 years since then, no-one has tried to repeat Scott's | :43:37. | :43:50. | |
journey successfully until now. Ben Saunders prepared for ten years to | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
follow in the footsteps of Scott's expedition. In October last year | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
STHET off for the UK. Using the latest technology, including a | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
specially designed satellite dish. They followed the route plotted by | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
Scott and his name. Scott's team had to work in relays as they prepared a | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
five-man unit for a final dash to the poll. Ott and his name. Scott's | :44:13. | :44:23. | |
team had to work in relays as they prepared a five-man unit for a final | :44:24. | :44:26. | |
dash to the poll. After finding out they had been beaten to the pole he | :44:27. | :44:29. | |
wrote "the worst has happened, everything must go". Technology can | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
do nothing to improve the weather for the new explorers. They were | :44:34. | :44:38. | |
able to talk by satellite phone throughout their journey and blog | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
about it. It still took 105 days on the ice. By the time the journey was | :44:43. | :44:47. | |
over they had lost 20 kilos in weight each. Ben Saunders talked in | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
his blog of sledges that never seemed to become lighter, rumbling | :44:53. | :45:00. | |
stop mocks, home sickness, sleep deprivation, deep fatigue, and a | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
land can a scale that defies comprehension. A scale that | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
threatened at times to crush their spirits and cut early to exchaste | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
their bodies. But a scale that left an impression on them that will stay | :45:14. | :45:24. | |
for the rest of their livesst of their lives. The story of Captain | :45:25. | :45:30. | |
Scott is wonderful and dramatic. People know it but would not choose | :45:31. | :45:38. | |
to recreate it? I have still not got a response to that. We weren't | :45:39. | :45:42. | |
exploring in the same sense as Scott were. We weren't drawing maps or | :45:43. | :45:58. | |
anything like that The thing that fascinated about this is why wasn't | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
the journey finished. Why wasn't it? It is a heck of a long way. Even | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
nowadays. 700 mile walk? Even with vitamin see and solar panels and | :46:10. | :46:15. | |
velcro and all these essentials, it is a journey still close to the | :46:16. | :46:21. | |
limits of what happened. It is immensely gruelling and we saw some | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
of the words you used to describe t and mentally pretty taxing? Very | :46:27. | :46:38. | |
hard. I have been dragging shreds sleds for a lot of years. I | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
underestimated how mentally tough it would be, especially within the | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
weather was bad. Scott and his team were alone. You weren't in the sense | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
that you had communications, does that make it easier or more | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
difficult? It can be a double-edged sword, it was wonderful to be able | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
to write. We had a blog, which we were sending back every day live | :47:00. | :47:05. | |
from the tent. You saw the little laptop we had. Scott was the writer | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
and it was Scott's diary that inspired me many years ago. They are | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
fantastic? He was an amazing writer, very poignant and courageously | :47:16. | :47:21. | |
towards the end. I'm not a photographer, film maker or artist, | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
writing has been the way to share stories of this trip. It was | :47:26. | :47:28. | |
wonderful to be able to tell that story as it unfolded in real time. | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
The telephone is a different thing. Being able to phone my mum, who I | :47:34. | :47:40. | |
think was picturing... Did you phone your mu Fairly regularly. You phoned | :47:41. | :47:45. | |
her from the South Pole? I phoned her every few days. My mum imagined | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
the 11-year-old schoolboy Ben in the Antarctic, packed lunch and lost in | :47:51. | :47:54. | |
the blizzard. But she was worrying at times, I think. The phone is a | :47:55. | :48:01. | |
double-edged sword, and of course we had a safety net. The knowledge that | :48:02. | :48:07. | |
our suffering was entirely self-imposed was a hard thing to | :48:08. | :48:10. | |
deal with at times. Scott never had the option of being airlifted out | :48:11. | :48:14. | |
which we had all the time. We had to dial a number and make the suffering | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
end. So in that sense it was a test. One final very quick question, why | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
haven't you got a bigger beard? It was removed couple of days ago, I | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
got fed one it, there was food and stuff going in it. That's it for | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
tonight. We leave you with the news of the Lego Movie, which easily | :48:33. | :48:38. | |
topped the film charts on its release this weekend, making the | :48:39. | :48:43. | |
brick stars of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, we have learned that | :48:44. | :48:50. | |
the sim somes are next on the road to Lego makeover. | :48:51. | :48:52. | |
Whatever next. Next. Ever Any mist and murk will clear | :48:53. | :49:12. | |
through the afternoon and beginning to break holes in the | :49:13. | :49:13. |