28/04/2014 Newsnight


The stabbing of a school teacher. Jeremy Paxman talks to a journalist kidnapped in Ukraine. Max Clifford. HS2. Michael Bloomberg. Ralph Fiennes performs.

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A teacher is stabbed to death in school and the country gasps in


shock. An awful tragedy for sure, but does it tell us anything about


violence in schools? Should it be the cue for moral panic over the


state of our worst classrooms. As pro-Russians attack Ukrainian


protests in Donetsk, we talk to the journalist who was beaten up and


kidnapped by pro-Moscow settlers, if anyone can tell us who they are, he


can. For once, the man who spoke and spun for a living is silent. I have


been told by my lawyers to say nothing at all. Does the conviction


of Max Clifford vindicate the pursuit of old men for the sex


crimes of their middle-age and youth. And the American Vietnam War


veterans who left children behind them when they fled go back there to


find them. Guy it was late this morning when the police were called


to a Catholic school in Leeds and arrested a 15-year-old, an


experienced female teacher had been stabbed to death. By most accounts


the school was popular and pupils horrified by what happened. Was it a


shocking abhoration, or a sobering reminder of the threat of violence


teachers can face in the classroom. In memory of a much loved teacher,


tonight corpus Corpus Christer, Catholic Church rembering a woman


who had taught at the school for 30 years. She had taught Spanish and


religious education. They say you always remember a good teacher, as


the news spread, students past and present came back to pay tribute.


She was always a teacher you could approach, even if you weren't with


her, she made herself available for you. She was that sort of lady. Why


did you want to be here today? To pay my respects to somebody who is


just truly amazing, she deserves every bit of respect. It wasn't like


finding out a teacher had died, it was like a relative or auntie. What


sort of a person was she? Lovely. No teacher should turn up at school in


the morning and not go home. That is what happened at Corp are yous


Christi Catholic school in Leeds this morning. A 15-year-old is in


custody and the police recovered a knife. This afternoon the police


told me that Mrs McGuire was stabbed many times, in front of her students


during the lesson after morning break. Originally they said other


classes were told there was a leak and they should stay put, as


teachers began to break the news, many were in tears. Family liaison


officers have been on stand by all day. This is clearly a shocking


event for everybody. Indeed this is clearly an unprecedented event here


in Leeds. And a shocking incident, the likes of I have not seen in over


25 years of Police Service. The reason for that is that schools in


Leeds are generally very safe places to work, to visit and to study.


Philip Lawrence is thought to have been the last teacher fatally


stabbed, that was 1995 when the headteacher tried to break up a


fight outside his London school. Mrs McGuire was killed on school


promises, her death will -- premises, her dead will lead to


questions about whether classrooms are more dangerous. It is an awful


thing that has happened, we have to wait for the investigation to see


what happened and what lessons can be learned. Recent figures show the


number of pupils caught with weapons in school is going down. From 365 in


2011 to 250 last year. Unfortunately young people sometimes do stupid


things, and they have to live with the consequences. Sometimes the


consequences are not what they would have foreseen. Tonight this


community is finding solace where it can. Chris Dunn has spent 41 years


working and ultimately running London schools before retiring last


September, and the check executive of the teacher support network,


providing counselling and support for teachers suffering with


work-related emotional problems. I can almost smell the moral panic


beginning but this is very rare? It is incredibly rare. I said to your


researcher when they rang up, I honestly couldn't believe and I


heard it on the news tonight when the last time a teacher who was


attacked in this way. We heard a headteacher in 1995, that was again


a quite different circumstance where he was defending some of his pupils


out on the street against attack. What is your experience from your


contact with teachers? Teachers seldom report that they have been


viciously attacked, what they do say is they get intimidated, sometimes,


certainly in secondary schools by older pupils, and that can be a


problem. They also recognise they have powers to search pupils, but


many of them don't want to do that, they were trained to teach. You have


just used that phrase "many of them" don't want to do that and teachers


report being intimidated. How many, how common is it? We take 26,500


calls a year, there are a whole many and range of problems. How many


contact but this sort of thing? We have had about 100 calls over the


last two years, it is relatively low level, and I think what it says is


most of our schools are safe places to be. As you said, we don't want to


start a moral panic. I hesitate to describe you as a veteran, you are


probably younger than I. After 41 years in schools did you think


things were getting better or worse? I'm convinced they are getting


better. I have worked, as you say, four # years, the last 21 as a


headteacher and all of those years in Inner London. I'm absolutely


clear that things are better, right across the board in schools,


relationships, not just between pupils and their teachers, but


between pupils and other pupils. Let as address one other things likely


to come up in the next few days, the question of whether or not there


should be metal detectors or security devices installed in


schools. What would you think about that? Most teachers would prefer not


to have those kinds of systems in place, you know, schools are open


places for communities and I don't think teachers want that. I don't


think the statistics merit it. And it would be really sad if we end up


with that kind of level of security. I think engaging the police,


parents, communities and using this tragedy to discuss the issues around


violence and around knives and so on, that's worth doing. But actually


we mustn't overrespond and overreact. It is one of the things


of course that every Ofsted inspection team asks the pupils, and


they take them away from the teachers and they talk to them in


confidence, they ask them about bullying, violence, they ask them if


they feel safe, and read the report up and down the country, the vast


majority say they do feel safe in their schools. Is there a danger of


a negative consequence of an overreaction such as installing


metal detectors? I think so, because what I believe so many of my


colleagues have been trying to do over the years to regard this as an


issue about education. It is about creating an atmosphere of respect.


Not just top-down respect, or top-up respect if you like, pupils


respecting their teachers, but everybody in the community


respecting each other. In my school we wrote a school code that said


exactly. That everybody has the right to be treated with respect. We


made it clear that this code applied to me the headteacher, as much as


every single child in the school. You had to respect the pupils? And


all my staff and the pupils had to respect each other and the teachers.


You are nodding? I think teachers are far more preoccupied with the


stresses and strains of teaching and working long hours and so on than


with issues about violence. Most teachers say to us the things that


bother them are low-level disruption that they get on a daily basis. We


shouldn't lose sight in the broader picture which you say is not so bad


that a terrible strategy has happened? Appalling. Every sympathy


for the school, the family and so on. Now the crisis in Ukraine shows


no sign of yielding to western concern and pressure, another town


fell to the Russian rebels in the east of the country today. They


still refuse to release seven unarmed monitors from the


Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe. In a few


minutes I will be talking to a man who was himself held hostage by the


sa rebels. First let's catch up with our diplomatic editor. It is going


on, Donetsk today? Yes, this seems to have entered a new phase, this


crisis. The immediate threat of a large scale Russian invasion seems


to have stayed, now it is a battle for the streets. In Donetsk there


was a demonstration early this evening. People demonstrating in


favour of the Kiev authorities of national unity. Now they were set


upon, about 1,000 of them, by people wielding steel bars, badly beaten,


you can see a pro-Ukrainian supporter there being carried away.


They complained the police did little. Also today the mayor of the


biggest city in the east, Kharkiv was shot and seriously wounded.


Where is this going? One Russian news agency reporting that shooting


said how can you possibly have elections under these circumstances,


this seems to be the agenda of those stirring this up. As far as


sanctions or the threatened sanctions? Well we had more


sanctions today, actually the fourth installment from the United States,


a few individuals, but 17 companies. They are now moving against the oil


and gas sector in Russia. Individuals closely associated with


Putin, but I have been told also attempts to get at Mr Putin's money


in some of these corporate entities by the Americans. This type of


approach has not been adopted by the EU. They are expected to name 15


additional individuals who will be subject to travel bans and asset


freezes tomorrow. They don't yet go for what they call the sectoral


sanction on the oil and gas, as explained this afternoon by William


Hague. We are in further discussions in the EU about future steps,


including preparations for a third tier of sanctions involving


far-reaching economic and trade measures. These preparations are


well advanced and the European Commission has sent proposals to


each member-state. Now what about these hostages, the OSCE hostages


taken by the pro-Russian forces? They are among dozens, the


Ukrainians say there are 40 people being held against their will in


these eastern towns. You have the three members of their own


Intelligence Service, the SBU, we can see them here, clearly they have


been roughed up, they have been held. Who are these guys? They are


members of the Ukrainian Intelligence Service, the SBU. Then


we have these gentlemen, the OSC monitors you were talking about,


mostly Germans, in fact, not great time to hold them and put them on


display with the EU discussing these possible sanctions. Then you have


Ukrainian journalists but also the case of the American reporter who


was working for Advice News, one of the things he was looking at, just


before he was lifted, was this question of who are the figures? We


have reported on this before, some of these men, were they members of


Russian Special Forces operating in their acclaim and counter claim, he


caught up with a specific one, who showed his Russian passport but


denied he was in Georgia in 2008 as some have alleged. And also denied


he was there as part of a GIU unit. It is a deniable force, so I guess


he couldn't admit it. Then Simon asked him why he had come there?


The person who secured that piece of interview there is the Vice Media


reporter, he was kidnapped and held by Russian seperatists in Ukraine,


he joins us now for his first British broadcast interview? Can you


tell us how you came to be taken? I was actually taken an hour after we


filmed that video you just watched. We were driving through a number of


checkpoints and on the last checkpoint before our hotel some


armed men who had my picture, recognised me and pulled me and some


of my colleagues out of the car, that is how my detention began. We


were taken to the SBU Security Services building that has been


taken over by Russian gunmen now. I was separated from my other


colleagues and taken into the basement, blindfolded. I had my


hands tied behind my back. I was thrown on the floor and beaten up


and held there for the next three days. Did these men who took you say


who they were? Some of them were clearly locals, my


caretakers, the people who brought me food. And there was a sort of


another echelon of gunmen who were also seeming to be local in terms of


being from the same city, they were kind of Morag tag. And then there


were those guys who we called the special ops GIESHGS they looked a


lot more professional, had more modern guns and uniforms that


matched. And they could very well have been from Ukraine and I wasn't


able to get any evidence from those guys in particular that they came


from Russia. They sounded like they had southern accents to me, so they


could have been from Ukraine and southern Russia, I think there are a


lot of local Ukrainians involved in this pro-Russia uprising. But you


know as I showed in that other video, there are definitely Russian


citizens down there as well? Why did they release you? It is hard for me


to say, but I think maybe self-declared Mayor of The area, who


I think is the person calling the shots and who ordered my release was


eventually tired of all of the pressure he was getting from


journalists asking after me. The problem now is there are local


journalists and activists, Ukrainian people who are still being held by


him for no apparent reason. There has not been a lot of attention put


on their cases because they are not foreign. And they have been down in


that same cellar that I spent three days in for weeks now. And I think


that there should be a lot more attention brought to their cases.


Did you see any evidence of any kind that the Russian state was involved


in what was going on there? In the place where I was actually being


held I was blindfolded the entire time, and when I was being


entergated I wasn't ever allowed to look at the faces of the people


interrogating me. So I wasn't asking them for their business cards


either. So I don't know whether they were or weren't from Russia, I can't


say for sure. Did you get any evidence that they were organised as


opposed to being some group of irregulars? They were a group of


irregulars who were organised, in my view! I think they communicate with


the other pro-Russia cities that have been, well the pro-Russia


forces that have taken over administration buildings in other


parts of Ukraine and I think they are pretty co-ordinated in what they


are doing. Thank you for joining us, thank you. You can see more of


Simon's reporting at vice.com. Once upon a time Max Clifford was a short


and noisy publicist who could break or break careers. He liked to boast


he hated hypocrisy. Now the author of such tabloid treasures as


"Freddie Starr ate my hamster", has been convicted of sex offences.


There is some veinedtation of Operation Utree. Operation Yewtree.


I have been told by my lawyers to say nothing at all. Max Clifford


stood in silence today after being convicted of a string of sex attacks


on girls as young as 15. For a man well paid to keep some of his


clients out of the headlines, this is a spectacular fall from grace.


Through his six-week trial he called his young victims fantasists and


opportunists. Today the jury disagreed, he was found guilty on


eight of the 11 counts. Today's verdicts provide a long denied


justice to the victims of serious sexual offences. I would like to


thank these victims for having had the courage to come forward and give


evidence. The victims of sexual abuse, whenever it may have taken


place should know that police and prosecutors will listen. Max


Clifford represented some of the best known tabloid names of the last


decade, from Westlife and Jade Goodie, to Simon Cowell. There is


always the fear 9.00 Sunday night you will get a call from a reporter


saying we are doing this, you have to have someone to phone in a


situation like that. But Clifford was perhaps best known as the king


of the kiss and tell. The man behind many of the juicyist scoops of the


past 30 years, from Antonia Sanchez and David Mellor, to many others. He


arranged 15 front page slashes in 18 months. He invented celebrity


publicity and PR in the 1970s and 1980s. For a long time no-one was


able to sur plant him. And the other interesting fact is plenty of people


have tried to imitate him but haven't managed to do it. On the


other hand his other major problem is he became the story very often,


where as other PRs have been much more discreet. The court heard how


Clifford abused his powerful position in the industry, how he


preyed on star struck girls at his offices in New Bond Street, and bars


and clubs nearby. In the mid-1980s this doorway in Picadilly led to a


nightclub, it was in places like this that Max Clifford held court.


Here he approached one of his victims, an 18-year-old dancer and


asked she if she wanted to be a bond girl. She was taken to a toilet,


locked inside and sexually assaulted. He told the victim there


was no point in going to the police as no-one would believe her. A


second girl, 15 at the time of the astack, said decades later she wrote


a handwritten note found by police in his bedside cabinet. It was read


out in court, Today she told the BBC how Clifford


was a cynical opportunist. It had huge implications for me as a young


person. And to see him then go on to become very high-profile, to speak


openly about other paedophiles and damn them and create a persona of a


respectable, high-profile man, who was lauded by the media was


sickening. This conviction will also be a huge relief for police and


prosecutors, Clifford will soon be the first person sentenced as part


of the much criticised Operation Yewtree, an investigation into


historical sex offences sparked by the case of Jimmy Savile. It is


landmark case because demonstrates cases can be brought successful,


despite the status of the suspect or accused. For many years there was a


perception that a case would rarely, if ever, succeed against a


celebrity. And this case shows that with the evidence, with


determination, cases can be brought. That is very important for victims,


it is very important for the criminal justice system. It is not


fun standing there being accused of being a fantasist or a liar.


As for the man himself, at times it felt he almost didn't take the trial


seriously, at one point coming out of court to play games with


reporters on the steps outside. But the man once called "the king of


spin", "the darling of Fleet Street", leaves court with his


reputation in tatters. Max Clifford has been released on bail and will


be sentenced on Friday. With us now are our guests. How


important do you think today's verdict was? It is very important,


it gives real vindication to the work that Operation Yewtree has


done, it shows it was not a celebrity issue, it shows victims


who come forward years after can convince a jury and achieve


conviction. It demonstrates no-one is above the law? It certainly does.


Absolutely and a I think one of the important things, the watershed


moments here is that what it also signifies is a real sea change about


the way women behave. I'm really genuinely thinking that most of the


young women I know, my children, my daughter, wouldn't put up with that


kind of behaviour, so it is, when we heard some of those victims'


stories, I didn't know what to do, and I felt like I had to do that,


most women now, this is not that many years on would think absolutely


I'm not going to do that, don't be ridiculous. It is not just the kiss


and tell culture, it is the I'm not kissing and I am telling, that is


what today signified and that is very significant. Is it applying the


standards of today to the behaviour of 20 or 30 years ago? No, because


what I'm saying is there has been a big change. 20 or OK years ago most


-- 30 years ago most women that age wouldn't have the confidence to say


hang on, he has locked me in an office or toilet, what do I do, and


I went along with it... I don't think that most women, of course we


can't generalise, but most women these days would think you have to


put up with something like that. An assault is an assault isn't it? What


do you think this argument, is still occasionally being made, that we are


applying today's standards to the behaviour of a different age? I


don't agree with that, these were very serious sexual assaults on


young girls, 15, who were giving evidence that their lives had been


ruined. And it was just as serious then in the 60s and 70s as it is


now. I don't think we are applying today's standards. These were very,


very serious assaults, even then. And yet behaviour was different


wasn't it? It was, the fact that even today there is a little smile


on Max Clifford's face, at the time he's quite jokey about the whole


thing, but I really wonder... Was there anything you heard in the


testimony given that surprised you? I suppose I'm cynical, so I'm not


easily surprised, I think it did surprise me that some of those


girls, and as I said earlier, I can't imagine them saying this


today, our daughters' age group to say they didn't have the confidence


to say no, or awent along with it. I find that really difficult to


believe now. But man taking his penis out and expecting to be


masterbated, this is not normal behaviour? Clearly and most


15-year-olds would get up and leave. Why didn't they? Was it normal in


those days, or was it less unusual? I think it is completely abnormal


and the fact that he can be jokey and this was the normal climate


shows again this whole question of power and absolute power. I don't


think some men will be behave any differently in the future. I think


that will carry on, the difference is how girls, I don't know if you


agree. This is still going on? Absolutely, why do we think it is


not. Because it is so unexpected? Is it? It is in my world? You are not a


girl. That is true, I'm not. Do you think this sort of behaviour is


still going on? I would like to think that it is nowhere near as


extreme as it was, and I would like to agree with Sue that people of our


children's generation wouldn't tolerate that now. But you were


aware of it happening when you were a young woman around Fleet Street?


Yes and I think it still does now. I think probably not in the completely


overt way that he behaved, but actually probably, even the other


day we had stories and I know we haven't uncovered really what's been


going on but stories about behaviour towards research assistants and so


called minor staff in the House of Commons and the House of Lords. Of


course it is going on. Power for people, they will abuse that power,


they always will. What's the big lesson of this case? Well there are


some very important lessons to be learned, firstly that it is never


too late to come forward and give evidence, that you can achieve a


conviction many years afterwards, that the evidence is still cogent


and vital. This isn't about a celebrity witch-hunt. And those


bravado statements he made at the beginning about these women being


fantasists and opportunists, lesser victims would have shied away from


the courts. And what is absolutely vital is this will give other people


confidence to come forward and see their cases through in the courts


and that's what's absolutely important. It still requires quite a


bit of courage doesn't it? Incredible courage. They have, the


jury has been out for eight days considering its verdict. But this


will give other victims the confidence that a conviction can be


achieved. Thank you, it is 40 years since the Vietnam War ended and a


humiliating defeat for America, the more than half a million GIs who


served in Vietnam are in their late 60s and early 70s, a stage in life


when one might reflect on the fast. A few of the GIs who fathered


children during the war are going back to look for them. Sue Lloyd


Roberts joined one American veteran on his search. Saigon April 1975.


American personnel rush to get on the last helicopters to take off.


They leave behind girlfriends and tens and thousands of children,


fathered by American soldiers. Gerry Quinn was one of those soldiers, 62


years old and currently a missionary in Taiwan, he's back in Saigon for


the first time in 40 years to look for his son. It is not the same, now


you have got fancy cars and motorcycles and the bicycles are


gone. The real irony for me is that the war was all about bringing


communism here and getting rid of capitalism. And yet when you look


around, when you look everywhere you see capitalism. At the Museum of the


American War in Saigon, now renamed Ho Chi Min City, the guides tell of


the barbaric acts committed by the Americans during the war. Gerry who


worked in communications and didn't see combat, didn't expect to be


accused of the same when he got home. To brand me as a baby killer


when I felt like I was serving my country, mum, apple pie, Chevrolet,


I come back and I'm a baby killer. No wonder it took four decades for


Gerry to come back. One of the things I admired about Brandy is she


was dignified. He has a photo of his former girlfriend, whom he only


knows by the name Brandy. And of the baby born after he left. He would


now be about 40. His family back home told him to forget them.


Actually Brandy sent this photo to my mother, when my mother saw the


photo she said you don't want to marry a Vietnamese, a "gook", part


of it is that guilt of thinking I could have done something different.


With an interpreter who has helped veterans find their children before,


Gerry heads for the area where he shared a house with Brandy. How long


has she been in this area? He has the address and a photo of the


house, but can't find it. 30 A, we can't find the house with the


numbers. That's a problem. All the street names were changed and even


the numbers explains this man. Others suggest that they talk to the


family of another GI who are visiting Saigon and staying just


around the corner. Midas is the oldest of five children of an


American soldier stationed in Saigon for ten years. He now lives in


America. Do you remember any American-Asian children that had red


air. There is quite a few over here. Really? Yeah. That sent to school


with you or something? Yes, I only went to third grade in Vietnam.


Midas doesn't remember Gerry's son, although he would like to help him


in his search, not least because of what happened to him when he made


contact with his father in America. When I talked to him he seemed


through the conversation trying to deny the reality. So I'm just like


OK, if that is what you want then I didn't want to be a bother so. His


mother remembers vividly what happened after the Vietnamese


entered Saigon. When there was an opportunity to


take the family to America, she grabbed it and they all moved to New


York. In the early 1980s the children of the American GIs were


found to be living in a dreadful state here, discriminated against


and living in poverty. The American Government felt compelled to start a


programme of immigration. And in all, some 30,000 children went to


live in America with their immediate families. But the programme came to


an end after only eight years. Meanwhile Gerry is still looking,


and getting increasingly dispondent of ever finding his son. Then comes


the breakthrough that Gerry has been praying for. I'm looking for anybody


around the age of my son. The owner of a noodle bar recognises the woman


in a white uniform in a photo standing next to Gerry's girlfriend


Brandy. She says that the midwife had a


daughter who now lives in California. Who happens to be in


Saigon for a visit. She had popped into the noodle bar the day before.


Though contacts the midwife's daughter who is called Kim and


arranges her to come and meet Gerry. This is Brandy and the baby. Oh my


goodness I remember her, you know why, I talked to her a lot. So did


you help deliver my baby. Yes I did. So you held my baby in your hands.


Yes. So Kim I have a question, may I hold your hands. Of course. Because


these hands held my baby. That's just so much emotion in my heart


right now. I may never see him or touch him, this is as close as I


will get. Right here. Over here is your home. One of these places here?


Gerry and Kim go to her mother's old house, around the corner from where


he was searching a few days ago. The house where his son was born. It is


really amazing after 40 years to be able to look in this place. It turns


out that Brandy lived here for some time after the baby was born. The


photos come out again for the neighbours. One woman, who


recognises the photo of Brandy comes up with a vital bit of information.


Brandy's Vietnamese name and then a shattering bit of news.


If what she says is correct, Gerry's son could also be in America. But at


least guerrey now has the name of his son. The next day he leaves


Saigon and using social media he puts his photos on Facebook, but he


isn't hopeful. In the aftermath of the Vietnam War, only 3% of the


children have made contact with their fathers. Two weeks later a


41-year-old male in New Mexico recognises the photos on-line. The


same pictures had been given to him by his mother. We arrange for Gerry


to go to Alba Alberqurqe. He heard that Brandy was targeted and like so


many mothers she abandoned her son. Here he is, they are jumping up and


down. There he is. Wow. Grandpa! Hello. Hello, how are you guys. How


are you doing. Love you. Love you too. A hug to make up for the last


40 years. Wow! So is it real. Yes sir, now it is real Sir. Now it is


real. It turns out Gary arrived in America when he was eight, thanks to


the Government programme in the 1980s. Gary explains what it was


like for the children growing up in Vietnam. We were away from Saigon,


we were nowhere near Saigon, we were out in the middle pretty much in the


jungle to start a new life out there, built a house out of clay or


mud or whatever you call it, it is not hut but hard and dried, there is


no food. You eat off of whatever you have out there. It was pretty tough


growing up back home, being half white and half Vietnamese, it is not


fun. So people making fun of you, your momma is this and that, you


come out like this, you don't belong here, you need to go, this is not


your country. Gerry is racked by guilt. I never knew you were a


complete orphan. In my mind you would have been with your mother.


When I first landed in New York, I didn't know, that was, all I know


was the Statue of Liberty means freedom. I didn't even know I landed


in the states that had the statue. I landed in New York and I told my


foster family, oh my God, I saw the statue, I was like I need to go out


there, and climb all the way on the top, that way I let people know I'm


in America and I'm free. So I made it, you know. From now on neither


intends to let the other go. And you can watch a longer version of the


film this Saturday on Our World at 21. 30 on the news channel. Now the


House of Commons has voted tonight, we don't have the result yet, but it


is pretty much a foregone conclusion that it will decide to spend vast


amounts of public money on a new railway line known as HS two, ?42.


Five billion, although ministers hope it will come in cheaper. The go


ahead for the first stage of the line was more or less assured by


cross-party support. Though a number of Tory ministers with seats where


the line will run through claim to have unavoidable commitments in


Estonia and elsewhere this evening. They ducked out of voting. Many


argue that plans for the HS2 are unique any way, and predate the days


when people could work while travelling. Anything to get David


Grossman out of the office and on to the trains.


Like the trolley service on the London to Birmingham line, HS2 is,


we are told, laden with goodies. Much of the benefit, according to


the official figures, comes from shorter journey times, particularly


for business travellers. We are promised millions of fewer wasted


hours. As critics of HS2 have pointed out repeatedly, plenty of


people do lots and lots of work on the train.


It may be unnecessary, but to prove the point we decided if we could


record and edit our enti film whilst on the train. What's next? The first


guy is a critic of HS2, and he should be over there. Since you


mention it we were asked to move into the less busy first class


carriage by Virgin, it is a would be less disruptive to passengers trying


to work! Why do you think so many people still remain unconvinced by


the economic case for HS2? One of the big problems is the Government's


rationale keeps changing, initially they said it was all about reducing


the time people took to get to Birminghan and the northern cities


and it would enable them to work more. When that was debunked they


have moved on to talking about regeneration of the whole of the


north of England, there is no evidence to suggest this will occur


as a result of HS2. It hasn't had significant economic affects in east


Kent or certain areas of Sinn Fein that have significant high-speed


rail networks. One. 20 later we are in Birmingham, HS2 will take about


50 minutes for the journey, the cost for this section of the line ?24


billion, it includes a pretty Younge contingency. Is the saving worth the


cost. In Birmingham I met a supporter who thought that was


entirely the wrong question to ask? Our railway line is full, we can't


upgrade the existing line, once that was concluded we concluded we need


to build the best we can, the high-speed line. Birmingham's growth


and potential, integral to that is having great connectivity, and we


can't allow the railway to freeze up, which is what will happen. Do


you think the case for HS2 has been helped by the rather formal way the


business case is presented, talked about time saved? No, there is a


general acknowledgement in the industry that the modelling for


transport schemes is out of date. You get forced into a narrow set of


parameters around time saved. The country's system of assessing


transport needs upgrading. Back on the train the Chamber of Commerce


point is supported by chocker full carriages. Hang on say HS2, look at


the space in first class, a bit of configuration and you could achieve


more capacity at a fraction of the cost. Critics fear politicians are


in no mood to listen. A huge amount of capital has been invested and the


governing parties have committed to do it, arguing this will regenerate


the north of England. I don't think that is the case. Because of the


sunk costs because of that political capital, I think it is very unlikely


the major parties will change their stance now.


Well we're in Euston, we haven't finished editing the piece, we could


have done with ten more minutes, that is not something that HS2 could


have helped us with. Just to let you know MPs have rejected an amendment


opposing the HS2 bill by 451 votes to 50, which is a Government


majority of 401, so it has the go ahead. Time for the papers. If you


have been paying attention you will know most of tomorrow's front pages


already. But the sudden availability of seven-and-a-half million digital


newspaper pages, dating back centuries at the British Library's


new archive in central London, opens up all sorts of other possibilities.


On April 29th 1914 for example the Birmingham gas stet reports that at


the instigation of Mr Churchill some of the Irish counties are being


offered a temporary opt-out of the Home Rule bill, that should settle


things out forever then. April 29th 1918 it talks about -- 1819 talk


about Napoleon recovering from a disposition, which we know now to be


a suicide attempt. And the Paris Gazette from 1718 reports the death


of the daughter of the countess of Derby from small pocks. And sea


stocks were doing well so nip out and buy a few of those. That is


almost it. The 450th anniversary of what is traditionally regarded as


Shakespeare's birthday as all well informed people know occurred last


week, we will continue to mark it, tomorrow Harriet Walter will be our


guest. Tonight we leave you with sonnet 129 and Ralph Fiennes. The


expense of spirit in a waste of shame is lust in action.


And still action lust is purged, murderous, bloody, full of blame,


savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust, enjoyed no sooner but


despise'd straight. Past reason, hunted and no sooner had past reason


hated as a swallowed bait on purpose laid to make the taker mad. Mad in


pursuit, and in possession so. Had, having and in quest to have extreme.


A bliss in proof and proved a very woe before a joy proposed behind a


dream. All this the world well knows. Yet none knows well to shun


the heaven that leads men to this hell.


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