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Gerry Adams is still being questioned by police in Northern

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Ireland over the death of Jeanne McConville. Her daughter says she's

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sure he was involved in her mother's death and will name names. They have

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done so much to me already in the last 42, what will they do, come and

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put a bullet in my head. Well they know where I live. Antibiotics once

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projects us from infections that kill, the World Health Organisation

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says that is over and even a scratch could be fatal. We will ask the

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Chief Medical Officer what we all do now. Unless we build more houses,

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prices will quadruple and face an historic drop in homeownership. That

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is the warning from Ed Miliband today. It was time from the half way

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line to the penalty spot and putting the ball down is where you miss the

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penalty. When your inner chimp is doing his stuff? Doing his worst

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work. The inner chimp could be the answer to England perennial penalty

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shootout heartbreak. Good evening, at 8.00 tonight Gerry

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Adams began his second 24-hour period of questioning over one of

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the province's most notorious murders. He is being investigated

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over the IRA abduction and death of Jeanne McConville. No-one has ever

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been accused of her murder. Gerry Adams has denied involvement with

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the IRA and says he's innocent in her death.

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??FORCEDWHI It was said his detention was a deliberate attempt

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to influence the forth coming European elections.

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Jim Reid is in Belfast. She was always on the go, washing clothes,

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making dinners, looking after her family. 17 men and women disappeared

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in the troubles. All were abducted, killed and secretly buried. Our

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whole family, not only our mother wasn't accepted into this area, we

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were strangers in a strange place. Jeanne McConville was at home with

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her children when she was bundled into a van by a group of IRA

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members. Her body was dug up on this beach 30 years later. The IRA came

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to the door between 5. 30-6.00, a rap came on the door and we answered

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the door and these people pushed past. They shouted "where's your

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mother", she grabbed the mother, and we grabbed the mother and held on to

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her and we were crying, and my mother was crying too. A week later

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an IRA man came to the door and handed my mother's purse in and her

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rings. And I realised then that mother was killed. I knew she was

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dead. The Good Friday Agreement was meant to end decades of conflict,

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building new democratic institutions and healing old wounds, but unsolved

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murders like the one of Jeanne McConville were never going to be

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forgotten overnight. Family members from both sides of the sectarian

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divide still want justice for the crimes of the past. The widows

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mother of ten was taken in front of these flats in 1972, wrongly

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suspected of passing information to the British authorities.

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I know these people and they know that I know them. And they know my

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family knows them as well. Just to be clear you still don't feel in a

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position where you can name names? No, I don't. Because there was a

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killing there last week, someone shot dead last week. There is still

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guns out there in Northern Ireland and they are out there. Tonight the

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leader of Sinn Fein is still in a police station in Antrim being

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questioned about that murder. Gerry Adams has always denied he was a

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member of the IRA. Denied he ordered the disappearance of Jeanne

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McConville. There is only one man who gave the order for that woman to

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be executed, that man, is now the head of Sinn Fein. But taped

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interviews appear to contradict that. Former IRA members spoke

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openly to researchers from Boston College, on the understanding the

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recordings would not be released until after their death. The major

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reasons why people like Brendan Hughes and Dolace Pryce came out and

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denounced Gerry Adams and said he was involved in these things is

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because the man himself has put several yards of clear blue water

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between himself and the IRA. People like that were motivated by the fact

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that Gerry Adams denied in such an emphatic way things that they had

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been involved with him in doing. That pushed them, I think, over the

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edge, and led them to say the sort of things they have been saying.

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Sinn Fein say the accusations are malicious, and the timing is no

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coincidence, ahead of elections on both sides of the Irish border. What

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other conclusion can I or any other person come to that in the mouth of

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an election, the leader of a political party which is

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experiencing huge growth all over the island of Ireland, finds himself

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under arrest? A back street pub in the heart of one of Belfast's back

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street areas was blown apart. There are active investigations into other

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atrocities of the past. Just this week a man was arrested and released

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over a notorious loyalist bomb attack on a Belfast bar. Some worry

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dredging up these historic cases threatens the fragile peace process,

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for the families of victims, this is about recognition and justice. Do

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you feel there may be an argument that at some point it is time just

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to accept these things happen and move on? No, when you hear people

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saying that, most people will say things like, English politicians

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that never suffered anything in the troubles. Or you will hear people

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saying from here who have never suffered in the troubles. I would

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like them to spend a month and live here and listen to half the problems

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people have. You need law and order, you definitely need law and order,

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and you need to address the past. Th beach gave up its secret a decade

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ago, there are another seven IRA victims whose remains have never

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been found. Part of Northern Ireland's history, that refuses to

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be swept away. After Jeanne McConville's

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disappearance, her daughter, the then 15-year-old Helen had to take

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care of herself and her sinles. -- siblings. Earlier I spoke to her

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from Belfast. Today your mother Michael said he

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knows the identity of the people who came to the house that night and

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took your mother, he won't say for fear of being shot by the IRA. Do

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you share those fears? No. That fear left me a long time ago. I don't

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fear the IRA any more. I will happily give the names I know to the

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police. Have you been asked for the names? I have spoken to the police,

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but I haven't come to any interview. You weren't in the house that night,

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you were out at the shops? That's right. When you came back your

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brothers and sisters told you who were there, so you have a full

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picture of who was there? I have, yes. Will you tell us the names

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tonight? No, I would rather speak to maybe the authorities first. Have

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you done so already at all? No the police haven't asked me yet, I

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haven't gone into full details with it. There were women and men in the

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house that night, weren't there? There was, there was four women and

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eight men. And you knew the women because they were local or why? One

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of the girls, she came in and didn't cover herself up in any way. Like

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your brother, do you see these people in the street? I have left

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Belfast now, but when I go back to Belfast I would see them in the town

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centre, yes. Have you ever confronted anyone who you believe

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was in the house that night, who was in the house that night? No, but one

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of them tried to confront me in a McDonalds when I had my children

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there for a birthday treat. When was this? Going back to 1995. When they

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confronted you, what were they saying to you? They were screaming

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at me, you know. Like I was accusing them of something that they didn't

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do, why are you picking on me, why are you saying things about me? She

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was feeling guilty I would say, not me? . At the time did you feel

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threatened, there you were, you were the oldest industry Sister in the

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house and your mother taken, what did you do? Every now and then I had

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to barricade the door, and make sure the younger ones were in bed, and we

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were locked in. Anybody running past the door sent fear into us. You were

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15? I was 15, yes. Did you try and find your mother? We went searching

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for her, my brother Arthur and myself went searching at night,

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looking in old buildings and things like that. We went to a republican

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club to ask questions. We were told you don't know what you are talking

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about, we haven't taken your mother. Then it was put into our face that

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is our mother had left us and was living in England with a British

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soldier. Helen, you then had a visit after your mother's death from the

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IRA, bringing back things to you, what happened? I answered a knock on

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the door and there was a fella standing there, a complete stranger,

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he handed me back my mother's purse, which had three rings in it. I asked

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where my mother was, he said he knew nothing about my mother he was just

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told to bring the purse back to our home. If you are prepared now to

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give the names of the people that were in that house, your house,

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sorry, that night to the police, why do you think the police haven't come

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to you for the names? I think the police are working on the Boston

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Tapes really at the moment. I know you were very instrumental in

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pressing for the Boston Tapes to be released? Yes. But do you not think

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the PSNI should be coming to you, if you have information? Yes they have

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come to speak to me, they have asked me things, but I don't really want

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to put those on air at the moment. You can understand, we will wait and

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see what happens tonight. I understand that, but I just want to

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be quite categorically clear about this, you are prepared to give the

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PSNI the names? I am prepared. Would that go for some of your brothers

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and sisters too? I can't speak for them I can only speak for myself.

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Any help that I can give to catch the people who killed my mother I

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will do it. You haven't given names but you are prepared to do so? I am

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prepared to do so, yes. Is it your belief that Gerry Adams was involved

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in the mother of your mother? I have always believed Gerry Adams was

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involved in the murder of my mother. Until the day I die I will believe

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that. Why do you think that? There is a saying here the dogs on the

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street know it. Even speaking to you tonight, you don't feel a fear for

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yourself speaking to us about this? What haven't they done to me in the

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past 42 years, what will they do, put a bullet in my head. They know

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where I live. This is a really difficult time for all your family.

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I wonder about this question, if it is the price of peace to leave this

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alone, do you think it will have to be left alone? No, I'm like any

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other, we're like any other family here in Northern Ireland who has

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lost someone, it doesn't matter who killed them, IRA, UDA, loyalists,

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the British Army. If the British Army had tipped me off about what

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happened here I would want them to be handed back to the police.

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Everyone has the right to know what happened to the person they loved

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and they need the truth and justice. Are you prepared to keep going, no

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matter how long it takes to get the truth about your mother's death?

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When I said in 1994 I will, the first time I spoke about my mother,

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I swore that until the day I die I will campaign for my mother. If

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anything happens to me I have five children who will carry on

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campaigning for the truth. And your children want you to campaign, they

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are not in fear for their lives? No. They didn't do anything wrong, nor

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did I, nor did my mother, we have no fear. Do you think that we are at a

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pivitol moment in the search for what happened to your mother with

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the arrest of Gerry Adams? Yes, it is the day we have been waiting for.

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Thank you very much indeed. Northern Ireland's Victims' and

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Survivors' Commissioner is here, and Peter Hain joins me from Belfast.

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Catherine Stone, what was said there, we need truth and justice,

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she's right isn't she? She's absolutely right, and what she does

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in a very dignified and poignant way is echo the voices of so many

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victims who say truth, justice, acknowledgement, that's what we

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want, and that's what we must have. Peter Hain, you were on record as

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saying you think there should be an end to all conflict-related

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prosecutions. How can you say that to Helen McKendry? I agree with what

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Katherine has just said, and I salute the enormous bravery of Helen

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and her brother Michael. What was done to their mother was horrendous,

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and if I were in their shoes I would be doing exactly what they are

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doing. So they should have truth and justice and prosecutions if

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necessary? If it is possible to get truth and justice, yes, of course.

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Even if it means high-profile prosecutions and indeed an end to a

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veneer of peace in Northern Ireland because of it? If you let me finish

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my point. It is simply the reality, unfortunately, as Katherine knows.

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It is very difficult if not impossible to establish the truth,

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sufficient to bring credible cases for prosecution over these matters

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which happened, in this case, over 40 years ago and in others even more

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difficult to establish the evidence. I don't know what will happen in

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this particular instance, I don't know what the detail is concerning

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Gerry Adams. But what I do know is Northern Ireland needs to find a

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different way, not of ignoring the victims' sense of grievance and

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injustice, of course not. But a different way of addressing it. But

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just to be quite clear, you said pre pre-1998, you believe an end to all

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prosecution, including the McConville prosecution. You either

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believe it or you don't, it is a very important thing to say? Simply

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saying in the absence of an alternative process, which would

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have to be judicially underpinned in the way that for example the

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Northern Ireland Attorney-General John larrikin has suggested, in the

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way that Richard Haas who looked at all of this, the respected American

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specialist brought in to look at the past, in way that Lord Eames, the

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former Archbishop of Ireland, and Dennis Bradley said in their report

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in January 2009, you have to find different way of addressing these

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questions. And you have got to can I just, you're interrupting me the

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whole time. You a giving eloquent and long answers. That must apply to

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British soldiers as well as to paramilitaries who might be accused

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of these things. Peter Hain appears to be saying if there is no prospect

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of a clear case of prosecutioner then it needs to go away in the

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absence of anything that would bring clarity? Victims are not niave,

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victims are not unthinking, victims know that with the passage of time

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it will be more and more difficult to bring evidence to secure

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prosecutions. But wherever there is a prospect of justice, we must

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deliver that to them. We can't deny victims access to justice, or even

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the prospect of justice. You are speaking to victims on all sides of

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the divide, and I do mean all sides of the divide? Absolutely. Everybody

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is of the same view, without any Truth and Reconciliation Commission

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there is a lot of unfinished business? There is a huge amount of

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unfinished business in Northern Ireland. Helen was talking about she

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would be in the same mind whether the IRA, the UVF, the RUC, whoever

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is guilty of perpetrating dreadful crimes against victims mu be brought

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to justice, where we can draw the evidence. Do you disagree with Peter

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Hain? Wherever there is a prospect of Jews justice, we must delivered

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deliver. That In Northern Ireland the past collides with the present,

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we have so many example, we heard today about the bar bombing,

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yesterday we heard about the families in the Lemont Hotel. These

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things continue to infect the present and the future in Northern

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Ireland if they are not dealt with. In essence, are you saying that

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there isn't really be a true and deep lasting peace in Northern

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Ireland until all these issues are resolved? There can be no

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sustainable peace in Northern Ireland until every victim has peace

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of mind. Should there have been a truth and reconciliation process as

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in South Africa? That is far too simplistic a model. To say you can

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adopt one model to another place. Do you agree, the South African model

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wouldn't have worked in Northern Ireland? Probably not. Part of it

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could do, if those responsible for atrocities, or terrible offences,

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came forward and cop fessed in a special judicial context to those in

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return for immunity. You could probably have part of that, but not

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entirely. I don't disagree with anything Katherine said in the sense

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that victims deserve justice and deserve some accounting for what has

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gone on. The truth is, as she knows, and we all know, that isn't going to

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happen for far too many victims. Therefore how do we find a different

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way of addressing all of this? My point is at some stage Northern

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Ireland has to look to the future, rather than to the past. The past

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will not be capable of being closed for far too many victims which

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pursuing the same prosecution route because you won't be able to sustain

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the prosecutions. Therefore you need to find a different judicially

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underpinned protest that isn't an amnesty or get out of jail card or

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any allegations that are spraying about, but is a difficult way of

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approaching it. Suggestions have been made for that. I think that is

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part of Northern Ireland moving forward and not turning its back on

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victims, but actually addressing the whole agenda in a different way,

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rather than being haunted, trapped and ultimately condemned by the

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past. It is very difficult to move forward if you have lost your legs

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in a bomb. It is very difficult to move forward if there is an empty

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space in the bed where your husband used to be. These things are very

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difficult for victims to think about. It is I am too for a

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comprehensive, systematic -- it is about time for a comprehensive

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systematic list in Northern Ireland. Why has that not been deliverable?

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That is a very complicated question for me to answer. We need to ask our

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politicians why that is not delivered. As Peter Hain says there

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have been many adepartments to produce a framework on delivering

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this. In the meantime victims wait and wait and wait. They wait for

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truth and justice they wait for acknowledgement and they get

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nothing. When Alexander Flemming discovered pencilian, who would have

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thought 100 years later antibiotics have license almost useless. The

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World Health Organisation has said the problem is they are so widely

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prescribed the bacteria have started fighting back. A senior adviser from

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the WHO saying a child falling off their bike and developing an

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infection will be at huge risk in the USA. We asked this doctor to

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explain what has gone wrong. We like to think of this as the cutting-edge

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of modern healthcare, but the real fight what has done more to fight

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for survival in the past century is the war against microorganism. The

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drugs used to treat infection are a cornerstone of that achievement. But

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the bugs are fighting back. This week the World Health Organisation

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published a new report. One which examples, for the first time, the

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problem of anti-microbial issues. It paints a grim picture. We are in

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danger of losing the fight, of entering a post-antibiotic era, one

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where common infections and minor injuries again become life threat

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ening. In 1945 Alexander Flemming and colleagues received the Nobel

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Prize for developing pencilian. Less well known is the Nobel Prize

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awarded in 1939 to this German, that prize, for the first commercially

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available antibiotic of a different class and different mechanism of

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attack as penicillin, was as important or more important than

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Flemming's discovery it set the tone for how antibiotics would be formed

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and marketed. They would fund on ward development and clinical trials

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and establish sustainable economic models for the sale of these drugs.

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Today this model is faltering. Antibiotics cost billions to develop

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and because of the resistance, new drugs rapidly become obsolete. This

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combined with the rapid evolution of antibiotic resistant bugs is

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becoming very real. I have seen several supposedly last line of

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defence drugs come and go. Becoming nearly obsolete. The World Health

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Organisation talk in near apocalyptic terms about this

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problem. About achievements in modern medicine being threatened by

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this anti-microbial era. It is scary to think what it might look like, a

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world in which less than 100 years after the discovery of pencilian, we

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became once again merely defenceless in the wake of common infections.

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I'm joined now by Dame Sally Davies, the Chief Medical Officer, who was

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today made a Fellow of the Royal Society, and the director of the

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Wellcome Trust. How worried should we be about this? I'm very worried

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on a global scale, we have antibiotic resistance in this

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country, it is natural and we do abuse antibiotics. In other

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countries it is getting worse and worse and that will travel here. In

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the past we have had resistance we have had new antibiotics, but no new

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classes since 1987. Why are they not being researched and developed? It

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is a very difficult field, the bacteria of the viruses, the

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parasites, are changing all the time, new antibiotics are needed all

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the time. And secondly because there is very little incentive, there is

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no pull to attract people to go into that area whether academics or an

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industry. We have to change that model. Because big farmer wants to

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do cancer and statistic tips and we have to take this lifelong. In

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parts. It is cynical in way? You have to understand the drivers of

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that industry and we need to change the model by which we often, we need

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to have sticks and use them properly. Then we have to have

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incentives for industry to come into this space and develop them with

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pre-purchase agreement, Governments promising to buy them. Patents and

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incentives. One of the things if they make a good drug, I as Chief

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Medical Officer will look it up and say only occasional use to save

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lives rather than let them use lots of it. There is the tension of the

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need to sell a lot and the public health need. Who is the arbator in

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all of -- arbitoir in all of this? We need to work with the Government

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and farmer so they develop and produce these goods and we buy and

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protect them. What the WHO was saying about the idea that a scratch

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can kill is incredible scary for people. Especially people with

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children who know if an infection sets in you get antibiotic. You gave

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a tutorial for David Cameron last month. As basic as that? We needed

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to understand, not coming from a science background. What bacteria

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are, how antibiotics work, and what they are made from, and how natural

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selection happens. This antibiotic resistance is developing. Do you

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think you pushed at an open-door for more funding and pressure on farmers

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by Government? We have a Government that recognises the emergency we are

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facing. If we don't do something now, in ten years time, 20 years

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time we don't have a new drug. It is not just one drug. We need a steady

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selection of drugs. We are now working across the stop of

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Government. In a debate which is how do you develop a global model that

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will deliver that. Hasn't your funding been cut rather than

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increased? No, science funding has been kept stable. But long enough?

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Scientists can always spend more. You have been made a fellow of the

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Royal Society, do you need more money. It strikes me if you take

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something else that had a global impact it was a search for HIV drugs

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and AIDS drugs. That was seen as something that was huge and needed

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to be moved on fast. We are not getting that just now are we? We

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have to make a priorty of this. It is a very, very good example, I was

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a sunnor doctor in -- junior doctor in London at the start of the AIDS

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academic. If anything underlines it is seeing young people dying in

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hospitals. That has stayed with me all my life, it is untreatable and

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devastating to community. The HIV community really pushed Governments

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and they responded, the UK Government, the British Government

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responded and we needed the European Union to come on board. We don't

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have it. With the AIDS pandemic, it was the early 1980s, the whole idea

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that we are facing Armageddon. You don't feel that sense of urgency

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with the antibiotics. Do you have to scare them? HIV is a good example we

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talk that we have turned the infection into like diabetes. It is

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not that because the virus will change, and the thought of HIV drug

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resistance coming is truly frightening. It goes beyond that,

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you wouldn't be able to do chemotherapy or cancer patients

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because they need antibiotics when they are doing therapy. Diabetics

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would suffer at the plea, the in-- This is about the whole of medicine,

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cancer, diabetes, it is across the board. You are a scientist in a way,

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but can you put to the nearest decade, are you talking about things

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like the major amount of antibiotics being fairly useless in a decade.

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Already we have resistance in this country for gonorrhoea. When did it

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come out? We watched it appear a year or two ago, and it is steadily

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rising. That shows you how fast it can happen. What is next if that was

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for gonorrhoea? We have problems, as you know, with TB. And as you

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remember the HIV, I remember sitting by the bedside of men as they died

:31:52.:31:59.

of TB, we have multiand extreme drug resistance coming in from abroad.

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Part of the problem is in the west, I have worked in Vietnam for the

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last 18 years, we have pushed it down the public agenda. All of that

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progress is at risk if we don't sort this out? Because we are too casual.

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Because we have been complacent. An Englishman's home is his castle

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they say, the way the housing market is going that man or women will be

:32:27.:32:29.

well into their 40s before they get the keys to the most modest of

:32:30.:32:35.

homes. House prices are rising five-times as fast as earnings. No

:32:36.:32:39.

wonder Ed Miliband sees valuable votes in generation Rent! If you

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thought we were always a nation of homeowners you would be wrong.

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Middle-class families rented with no shame. The dream of homeownership

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dates back not 100 years but #? Homeownership was supposed to be the

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future, but after building far too few homes and prices rising faster

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than incomes, it is looking like the past. Every time prices rise it

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makes poverty worse. Those who have less property have to spend more

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buying the same good. It is only those with more property than they

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need who are able to bank their gains and sell their houses. House

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price rises are a redistribution from bottom to top, young to old,

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poor to rich. We have seen the issue of many Governments not building

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more homes, that is a fundamental issue. The report shows if we don't

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tackle this problem now, within a generation the house prices will

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have quads re quadrupled into ?900,000, and we could see lots of

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children under 30 living at home. That is why we have to act now.

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Quadruple, I can hear your lack of shock! In 1961 it was less than six

:34:10.:34:13.

grand now it is 250,000. While we are supposed to hate shop

:34:14.:34:30.

price inflation, politicians think house price inflation will get them

:34:31.:34:34.

re-elected. Because homeowners will feel better off. If most people feel

:34:35.:34:39.

better off most people shouldn't. Suppose you own one of these flats

:34:40.:34:43.

and it is worth ?100,000, but the cream home is the house -- dream

:34:44.:34:50.

home is the house across the road worth ?200,000, then house prices go

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up, think about the price of the place you want to buy, it has gone

:34:57.:35:04.

up not by ?100,000, but ?200,000. It has put your dream home further out

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of reach. In 1918 long before we became

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obsessed with the money made on property, three-quarters of people

:35:15.:35:19.

rented in Germany. Once they have rented a place they like they stay

:35:20.:35:25.

there. There is much less turnover in the German residential market.

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The Germans are fond of theirs, they just don't see a point in buying the

:35:32.:35:38.

place. Richard Kay rents this three-bed flat in Hackney with three

:35:39.:35:43.

others. He won't be there long. Two months in he had the gall to

:35:44.:35:48.

complain about the washing machine. The landlord said it is not my

:35:49.:35:52.

problem, your problem. Either you pay for it or it just sits there. We

:35:53.:36:00.

kicked up a fuss about this and received a long-winded e-mail in

:36:01.:36:07.

which our landlord issued notice two weeks in. Ed Miliband offered to

:36:08.:36:14.

protect tenants from eviction for three years, cap price rents and

:36:15.:36:20.

stopping letting agencies charging fees. The opposition leader's

:36:21.:36:32.

initiative risks the wrath of landlords. Especially those who want

:36:33.:36:35.

to sell their property in months not years. The thing that has spooked my

:36:36.:36:42.

members and potential investors in the private sector in this country.

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Is the words "predictable rents", which everybody sees rent control,

:36:48.:36:53.

that is the thing that investors are frightened to death of. For young

:36:54.:37:00.

people without a parent to help them, the dream of owning a home

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drifts into the past. Ed Miliband may annoy landlords but gain the

:37:13.:37:16.

acceptance. The England team has a problem, the

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penalty shootout, it looms large even when the squad is dreaming. In

:37:22.:37:26.

order to banish the fears before the World Cup they are being urged to

:37:27.:37:33.

cage their inner different. That theory is from the man who helps

:37:34.:37:43.

many athletes to get gold. Now he's heading to the World Cup. They close

:37:44.:37:52.

in on their rivals. All need to be on maximum alert. Boy has he

:37:53.:37:58.

produced some snooker. Team work has brought this group of chimps great

:37:59.:38:09.

success. Right now the secret to sporting success involves harnessing

:38:10.:38:16.

your inner chimp. From cycling to snooker and football, the theory

:38:17.:38:21.

goes that inside all our brains a human and chimp vie for control. If

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the emotional chimp takes over it can be very destructive. Ultimately

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the chimp is in you, and five-times stronger than a human, so you never

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get rid of it. My inner chimp, I was afraid. If you clear your head you

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will be a more effective sports person.m -- person. Liverpool were

:38:42.:38:50.

playing with clear heads until they lost to Chelsea. They have embraced

:38:51.:38:58.

the inner chimp theory quickly. Another inner chimp person is Ronnie

:38:59.:39:04.

O'Sullivan. He overcame his demons at the world snooker match in

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Sheffield, only after a pep talk by the psychiatrist behind the theory.

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He has transformed the careers of many sportsmen. I had the talent but

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I wasn't able to bring it together. Steve has helped me clear that mind,

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and able to just go and play and focus. After years treating people

:39:27.:39:35.

with personality disorders at a high-security hospital, he helps

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sports people to tone down the voices inside their head, the chimp

:39:40.:39:44.

ideology. He usually lets his work speak for itself, but he said about

:39:45.:39:50.

this theory. Split your brain into two teams, you have a human team,

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rational et cetera, then the interfering team that can be

:39:56.:39:59.

emotional, this is the chimp, it acts like a chimp. When I brought

:40:00.:40:05.

the analogy out they said when they get emotional they can see

:40:06.:40:08.

themselves acting like a chimp. The chimp is everywhere, not just

:40:09.:40:14.

harnessed at Liverpool and Shell Sheffield, he is now also employed

:40:15.:40:22.

by England's World Cup squad. Success is untested. Proven though,

:40:23.:40:28.

Victoria Pendleton, who harnessed her chimp, along with Chris hoi, and

:40:29.:40:35.

Bradley wig -- Chris Hoy and Bradley Wiggins. He worked on the mental

:40:36.:40:43.

focus of the team for more than a decade, and it paid off with a haul

:40:44.:40:48.

of medals Tebay engining and London Olympics. His philosophy is a key

:40:49.:40:55.

element of the way things work here. Everybody's chimp is different, some

:40:56.:40:59.

is nervous, getting up and looking at the opposition, maybe the

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conditions aren't perfect, it might be saying I can't do that. Someone

:41:03.:41:07.

else's chimp might be overconfident. So making mistakes and thinking they

:41:08.:41:12.

can do something special on the day. The most important thing is

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understanding your chimp and the characteristics, and managing it. My

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inner chimp is telling me I shouldn't be doing this, fortunately

:41:21.:41:26.

so the human, rational part of my brain. This is a world class

:41:27.:41:31.

velodrome, I haven't got the right equipment and in work clothes. What

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is said, is when human and chimp agree there is no problem, what

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happens is when the emotional chimp takes over. Liverpool Football

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Club's troubles have come from not winning the league in 24 years and

:41:50.:41:56.

the loss of spirits on. That after spending only ?24 million, this

:41:57.:41:59.

season they are in contention, and hailed Peter as a genius. British

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football has been slow to watch on to embedding psychiatry into the

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cessing room. Perhaps it lies with this faith healer, Eileen Drury.

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Brought in to help the likes of Ian Wright before the World Cup. She

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sits behind me and you feel like you're in a Barber's chair when he

:42:25.:42:31.

said it. What did he say? Short back and sides please. It spent everybody

:42:32.:42:35.

was cynical, any manager who tried to do something similar would have

:42:36.:42:39.

been laughed at. So I think we should be much further along the

:42:40.:42:45.

line now than we are with sports psychiatry. It has taken probably if

:42:46.:42:54.

Liverpool win the title and for the second time Brendan Rodgers were to

:42:55.:43:04.

say I owe a debt of gratitude for him, lots of other people will think

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we haven't have an embedded psychiatrist. Nutrition was the big

:43:10.:43:15.

evolution, no more pie and chimp before the match but food for fuel

:43:16.:43:19.

and fitness. The players were at their peak physically but mentally

:43:20.:43:25.

it is another story. At World Cup level, penalty after penalty missed

:43:26.:43:31.

as self-doubt crept in. You know the whole world is watching and the

:43:32.:43:36.

whole country is watching, a thorn in England side as well. Talking to

:43:37.:43:44.

them about is the walk. Walking to the penalty line and put the ball

:43:45.:43:48.

down that is where you lose the game. That is when the voice is

:43:49.:43:55.

doing its worst. Will this team be different with Steve Peters on

:43:56.:44:00.

board, clearly his biggest sporting challenge to date. If they do

:44:01.:44:08.

harness their inner chimps and win. Perhaps we will all be reaching for

:44:09.:44:15.

the Peters self-help model to discover the chimp within.

:44:16.:44:17.

Now the newspapers. There is anything like a politician

:44:18.:45:28.

liking more than a good egging. Today it is Nigel Farage's turn to

:45:29.:45:32.

duck for cover. He was in good company, here are some of the best

:45:33.:45:34.

examples. Hello, brighter weather on the way

:45:35.:46:20.

for tomorrow, fewer showers as well, starting off with sunshine in

:46:21.:46:24.

Scotland, and north-east England, brighter skies breaking out

:46:25.:46:27.

elsewhere, during the day, the odd shower popping up for East Anglia

:46:28.:46:31.

and south-east England, let's take a look at things at 4.00, hazy

:46:32.:46:36.

sunshine in Northern Ireland, a lot of dry and bright weather across

:46:37.:46:38.