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Sticking their noses in, the Business Secretary threatens to | :00:00. | :00:10. | |
change the law so he could stop a megamerger. But why shouldn't | :00:11. | :00:18. | |
American drug giant Pfizer gobble up AstraZeneca if that's what the | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
market want. On the eve of the elections in South Africa, has the | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
Pistorius trial shown there is one rule for white and one for black. If | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
I shot my girlfriend I would be in jail right now, with all my money | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
and everything I would still be in jail. First degree murder, only | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
person I know who has got bail. The tape is broken and so the record | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
athletes have been long dreaming about. It is six decades since Roger | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
Bannister ran into the record books, he tells us how he did it. He | :00:51. | :00:57. | |
arrived alone, no masseur, no coach, no manager, he's either nuts or he's | :00:58. | :01:14. | |
good! Vince Cable delighted his party once by warning capitalism can | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
kill, he meant kill off competition, where big businesses simply become | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
too big and squeeze their rivals out of business. Today he suggested he | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
might even change the law to use a so called public interest test, | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
potentially to block American drug giant Pfizer from grabbing the | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
British pharmaceutical girl, AstraZeneca. The Business Secretary | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
claims the Government is neutral on the deal. And back room talks with | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
the fills continue. How much should the Government really interfere with | :01:45. | :01:52. | |
private sector deals. For a purely commercial matter, Pfizer's pursuit | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
of AstraZeneca looks decidedly political. The Prime Minister, | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
Chancellor and Business Secretary all discussed the takeover with the | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
US predator, but not with its prey. To sweeten the pill, Pfizer said its | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
headquarters would move to the UK, but critics say it is takeover | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
driven not by scientific logic but tax. If we look back at what has | :02:14. | :02:21. | |
happened to Warner Lambert, to Pharmacia and Wyatt Laboratories, | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
early acquisitions made by Pfizer, we will see that research and | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
development has been significantly reduced and over 50,000 jobs have | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
been lost. Norths, Pfizer have been acting in my language like a preying | :02:36. | :02:43. | |
mantis. They have been sucking the life blood out of those three units | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
in order to sustain themselves. Today Vince Cable insisted he | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
wouldn't let the UK be used as a tax haven. The Government has only | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
limited powers to block takeovers on grounds of public interest, in | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
media, banking and defence industries, but if binding | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
assurances on research and jobs weren't given, he said, those powers | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
could be expanded. We are very alive to the national interest | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
considerations here. We see the future of the UK as a knowledge | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
economy, not a tax haven. And our focus is on what is best for the UK, | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
securing Great British science, research and manufacturing jobs and | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
decision making in the life sciences sector. Pfizer's critics have | :03:24. | :03:33. | |
pointed to swinging job cuts in Kent where Viagra was discovered. But | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
they have closed down facilities, AstraZeneca, cutting hundreds of | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
jobs. Does it make sense to talk of a national champion. If you look at | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
it emotionally, yes, if you look at it scientifically, no, not really. | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
Certainly if you want to look at it presidentically, not at all. If you | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
are a patient what you want is good medicine, I'm not sure if you care | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
if they come from Roche, GSK or Pfizer. The pharmaceutical industry | :04:00. | :04:07. | |
is a high-takes game, one blockbuster, Viagra, can make up for | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
billions not going anywhere, but only until the patent runs out. What | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
counts for a drug company isn't so much saving tax or cost, it is | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
having enough research capacity to find the next blockbuster. What led | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
drug firms to prosper in the UK in the first place was not taxes or | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
takeover restrictions, but the presence of one of the most | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
important customers in the world, the NHS, what happens most to | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
sciences isn't nationality, but the financial support they need to | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
create drugs that win the big battle, not with an industrial preto | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
but with disease. Here with us is the Shadow Business Secretary, thank | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
you for coming in. On a point of principle, would it be better in | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
your view, if your British companies were taken over and owned by foreign | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
companies? I think this issue of foreign ownership is a bit of a red | :04:57. | :04:59. | |
herring, it is not a question of whether it is foreign or not, it is | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
a question of whether it is good for the British economy, good for a | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
world-beating sector, like the pharmaceutical sector, good for the | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
country. There have been good foreign takeovers, one thinks of | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
Tata's takeover, Nissan, BMW-Mini- et cetera, the bad ones, the | :05:18. | :05:23. | |
takeover by Hewlett Packard. It is not autonomy, it is whether it | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
represents a long-term investment in our industrial base. On that | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
particular point, because many people do believe in fact it matters | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
whether or not the company is owned, you as a potential Business | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
Secretary have no view on whether or not more or fewer companies should | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
be British-owned and kept in the country? My preference would be I | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
would much rather British firms taking over foreign ones and | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
autonomy taking over the likes of Hewlett Packard. Ultimately I'm | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
interested in what will this do for our science base, and is this inward | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
investment, which we are open to and must welcome, will it create more of | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
the high-skilled jobs we want to see here in Britain. That is the key | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
issue here. What would you do, if you were Vince Cable tonight, he's | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
suggested the possibility of applying a public interest test, | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
that doesn't right now fit for drug companies. Although it does for | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
others, it exists for defence and media companies, what else would you | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
put on the list? First of all we would be clear that you need to have | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
Government operating in a neutral fashion, looking at this objectively | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
and seeing if it is good for the UK science base. Science for innovation | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
is important. It is through innovating we can win the global | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
race to the top. We are not going to compete with people on driving down | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
people's terms and conditions, it is by innovation, the Business | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
Secretary has said today that all options are on the table. What would | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
you do? We would establish an independent body of people, the FT's | :06:49. | :06:55. | |
editorial tomorrow has come out in favour of this idea. You would have | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
another quango? No, how you constitute that as something we are | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
looking at in the context of our policy review. You would have an | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
independent group of people made up of industry and experts, who would | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
advise Government on whether this was a good or bad thing or the US | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
science and industrial base for the country. The Business Secretary has | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
indicated he's ameanable to this. In order to add that UK science and R | :07:16. | :07:23. | |
as a category under which you could have an intervention on public | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
interest grounds, you need to introduce the statutory instrument. | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
I'm saying this evening, we would be prepared to work with him to change | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
the public interest test to include this particular category. So you | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
would put drug companies on the list for a public interest test, whether | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
you want to set up your own other quango is something else. You would | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
put the pharmaceuticals sector on to that list. What wouldn't you put on | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
the list? There is four categories under which Government can intervene | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
at the moment, national security, competition, media peculiarity, and | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
financial stability. That actually, some of those could affect all | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
different companies. Would you add anything to that list? The list we | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
are saying that the category we would add to that list would be | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
science and R You would add science and research and development | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
specifically to that list? That is what we are proposing. The Business | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
Secretary seems to be indicating in the House of Commons he's | :08:18. | :08:19. | |
considering all options and that would be one. We would be happy to | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
work with him. The important thing is you have an independent | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
assessment of what this means to the UK science base. The problem is | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
people look at the form of Pfizer, and how they have a history of | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
taking over companies, intellectually asset stripping them. | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
British companies do that too, you said before it is not about whether | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
or not it is a foreign company coming in, are you suggesting now it | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
is? The public interest test applies regardless of whether it is a | :08:45. | :08:46. | |
foreign takeover or not. That applies to all companies. Like I | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
said this issue of whether it is foreign is a bit of a red herring. | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
But you are sitting here tonight, potentially in a year or so you | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
might be Business Secretary, you are suggesting perhaps another sort of | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
quango and independent body set up just to look at this science deal, | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
you are suggesting potentially adding science to the list of | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
protected industries, it is all a bit confusing is it not, businesses | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
looking at this position? You are calling it protec tectied | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
industries, it is a category under which you gauge public interest. Can | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
I make another point. What is clearly happening here, we have had | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
AstraZeneca for the third time reject Pfizer's advances. One thing | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
that is very worrying is if this deal potentially goes hostile, where | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
the Pfizer board seeks to go over the British board here and appeals. | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
That is up to them? But Laura that is... They are -- you are being | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
unclear whether or not you would add other sectors to the list? I have | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
been very clear. There are four existing categories and we would add | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
another one. Any others? That is a category, that is the only one. | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
Would you add any other sectors to that, because business will want to | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
know? I will be very clear with business there are no sectors we are | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
adding to the public interest category of four, a fifth that would | :10:06. | :10:11. | |
be R and science and that is supported in the FT I'm pleased to | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
say. Any other sectors you might consider adding to the list and any | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
sectors that you will never intervene? I won't go through the | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
list there are none others at the moment, that's it. Thank you. We | :10:23. | :10:29. | |
have our other guest a former Conservative MP with us. The | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
chairman of AstraZeneca appears worried that the Prime Minister is | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
pushing the deal, where as the Government says it is neutral, is | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
the chairman wrong? I think he's oversensitive on the point. I'm sure | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
the Government is neutral on this. The Business Secretary stated many | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
times that the Government are neutral, they are in touch with both | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
AstraZeneca and Pfizer boards. There is a case for both camps. Are you | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
saying he's being a bit oversensitive and touchy? Yes, I | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
don't see that he has evidence that the Prime Minister is on the side of | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
one company or another on all of this. I think it is important that | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
the Government does stay neutral, there hasn't even been a formal bid | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
that has been accepted yet. And it is way too premature to be taking | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
one side or another, for one key point which is we don't know yet on | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
what the board of AstraZeneca is basing its rejections. But the | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
Government have clearly taken a side, have they not, or was the | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
Treasury a bit too keen to come out and say marvellous the company will | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
take advantage of our new tax regime? It is two separate things. I | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
think this Government has made the UK economy a lot more competitive, | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
particularly manufacturing and science-based industries, we are now | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
a very competitive country in worldwide terms. That is a good | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
thing. Is it giving the game away appearing to support the deal, when | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
the Treasury let it be known that it was very pleased that Pfizer were | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
citing the changes in tax arrangements as a reason to come to | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
the UK? That is a separate matter to taking the side of Pfizer in any | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
negotiations with AstraZeneca. It would be premature to do that. What | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
about this idea of having a test, adding the pharmaceutical sector to | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
tests in terms of the public interest, would you support that? | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
Vince Cable didn't rule that out today. He dropped a heavy hint he | :12:29. | :12:31. | |
would like to see it happen? I was sitting behind him, he just didn't | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
rule it out. He said it would be a very serious step, not one that he | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
would rule out, personally I hope that he doesn't go down that path. | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
Why not? Because there are other people in your party, like the | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
former Deputy Prime Minister, Michael Heseltine, who believe | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
explicitly we are the only developed economy that doesn't have a test | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
like this in the same way, and we ought to have this kind of | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
mechanism? We do have a test in certain areas, and I think we have | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
great strength in this economy, we have an open economy, we are | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
delighted when companies like Rolls-Royce, GlaxoSmithKline, BG, go | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
out and invest in other parts of the world and increase their global | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
revenues, which in turn benefit the UK. We can't have it both ways, we | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
can't be encouraging companies on the one hand to go out and | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
globalise, but then put the barriers up when companies want to do the | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
same thing in the UK. We have to leave it there, thank you very much | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
indeed to you both for coming in. What does the country see in the | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
mirror? Staring back right now is a population where eight million of us | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
are not white, 14% of the population, but by 2050 that might | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
have doubled. So says the think-tank Policy Exchange. And where | :13:49. | :13:51. | |
populations shift, votes can shift too. So smart politicians and policy | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
makers would do well to pay attention. But have they really | :13:57. | :14:03. | |
cottoned on? Have you noticed something recently? Whether it is | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
the Prime Minister visiting a part of the Punjab from where hundreds of | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
thousands of British voters can trace their routes roots, or the | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
Chancellor's reforms to flight taxes. It creates a great sense of | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
injustice amongst our Caribbean and south Asian communities. Or the Home | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
Secretary's announcement that police forces must cut back on their use of | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
stop and search? I have told the House before I have long been | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
learned about stop and search. The Conservatives are making direct | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
appeals from voters from ethnic minority backgrounds. A report out | :14:39. | :14:41. | |
today helps explain why, how the face of Britain is changing. Policy | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
Exchange says by to 50 up to a third of the UK will be nonwhite. In | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
Croydon today the black and ethnic minority communities make up half | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
the population. The Conservatives won central Croydon from Labour in | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
2010, with a year and day to go before the next election, it is a | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
seat where black and Asian voters could decide the outcome next time | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
round. Any politician standing in a place like Croydon probably already | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
knows the importance of appealing to voters from ethnic minorities, but | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
how do you do it? Anything that smells of cynical electioneering, | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
will leave people feeling used and put them off voting for you. Then | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
again does it make sense to talk about the BME vote as one block, | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
when there is so much diversity within it. I think absolutely not | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
treating them as a block is the right way forward. Pick housing, the | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
Indian community overwhelmingly own their own homes, you contrast to the | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
black African communities where homeownership is low, policies | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
around stamp duty or help to buy, "Mansion Tax"s and interest rates | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
will be of particular concern to the Indian community and a way for | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
politicians to engage with them. Are the political classes ready for a | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
doubling of the nonwhite population by 2050. This campaigner wants | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
Croydon's minorities more engaged in politics. He knows what would help. | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
When people look at the political parties, and they don't actually see | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
themselves within those political parties, they don't feel part of | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
those political democratic process, they don't feel that their views are | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
actually going to be represented at those tables. Just look at all those | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
white faces, it is hardly surprising that black and minority ethnic | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
voters can feel alienated from politics. 27 MPs, 4. 2% of the | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
Commons come from ethnic minority backgrounds. If parliament reflected | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
the population accurately, there would be 117. The BME electorate | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
tends to vote Labour. At the last general election 68% did, 16% voted | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
Conservative and 14% Lib Dem. How worried are people within the | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
Conservative Party? Long-term it is an existential threat to the | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
Conservative Party. We can see the way the demography of the country is | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
changing, there is a self-interest there, and it is also a matter of | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
principle, making sure we are a party that, every weekend I go out | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
and meet people whose values are Conservatives but don't vote for the | :17:06. | :17:07. | |
Conservative Party because they don't feel it is for them. That is | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
the fundamental perception we need to change. The Mayor of London has | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
cottoned on faster than many. Reaching out to the black church | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
community, and was special guest in front of 40,000 black Christians a | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
month before the elections. Here in the UK the black church could be as | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
significant as it is in the United States, and getting Barack Obama | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
elected for a second term. It is huge there, and it is beginning to | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
become politically huge here, what the Pastors are now saying, yes it | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
is good to pray, but it is equally good to vote. Operation Black Vote | :17:43. | :17:49. | |
says in 168 marginal seats like Croydon central, the ethnic vote is | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
bigger than the sitting MP's majority. With us now are Ken | :17:55. | :18:03. | |
Livingston, the former Mayor of London and the Conservative whip and | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
former parliamentary Private Secretary to the Prime Minister. Ken | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
Livingston, firstly to you, running London where the demographics are | :18:14. | :18:16. | |
racing ahead in much of the country, do you have to be a different kind | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
of politician to do it? I don't think you do actually. I | :18:20. | :18:31. | |
I remember Sadique Khan to say close my eyes, and people come to Britain | :18:32. | :18:40. | |
to be part of it not to change it. The defining thing is not your | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
colour or religion it is your level of income. David Cameron has just | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
appointed the first British person of Pakistani origin, when I look at | :18:49. | :18:57. | |
him I don't see that, I see a banker making money every year. People vote | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
according to their income. If you look, it might be a generation | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
before people catch up. If I think back. If we were talking 50 years | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
ago, the Roman Catholic community, the Irish community, the Jewish | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
community in Britain solidly Labour, still the Irish Catholic community | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
are still Labour, because it is still not terribly rich. As the | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
Jewish community got richer they moved to vote for Margaret Thatcher | :19:23. | :19:25. | |
in Finchley. Aren't politicians missing a trick. There is a big | :19:26. | :19:32. | |
demographic change, Policy Exchanging suggested by 2050 nearly | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
a third of voters from nonwhite backgrounds, is it carry on as you | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
are? The report is a fascinating insight into what Britain looks like | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
today, it projects what Britain will look like in 2050. On that I think | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
it is slightly patronising to suggest that some how people's | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
voting attitudes now will persist into 2050, we don't say that about | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
any groups in society, why say it about BME groups is what I will say. | :20:02. | :20:09. | |
It is not all that, I disagree with Ken about level of income. People | :20:10. | :20:12. | |
vote according to their values, with was said in the package, and what I | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
certainly see, and in my own background is a lot of the values | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
people have are Conservative values. Except if you look at the statistics | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
in all BME communities, and they are a patchwork, it is not correct to | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
lump them all into the same, but across those communities, regardless | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
of age and social class, they strongly support the Labour Party in | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
every single one? I think you made a point there, it is important not to | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
lump all of them together. Let 's not put everyone in a box, every | :20:44. | :20:49. | |
delivering community and delivering generations have where they live | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
will affect how they vote. Yes there is work for Conservatives to do, but | :20:54. | :20:56. | |
if we look at parliamentary representation, which you touched | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
on, in 2001 there were zero BME Conservative MPs, by 2010 there were | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
11, the Labour Party has 16. It is still woeful, it is had. 2%, 27p MPs | :21:08. | :21:15. | |
out of 650. There is work to be done. But I also think there is a | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
nuance here that we shouldn't confuse representation with being | :21:20. | :21:28. | |
relevant to people. In your package earlier there was a seat represented | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
with 56% of them were BME, he's a white man working very hard and | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
brilliant for the constituents. It may be a tight seat. How do you see | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
this changing some of the debates we have already, for example on | :21:43. | :21:44. | |
immigration. Politicians talk about immigration in way they wouldn't | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
have done ten years ago, will this shift on to too? I think we had a | :21:48. | :21:54. | |
problem back in 1968, Enoch Powell made his Rivers of Blood Speech, | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
that polarised politics. The majority of Conservatives aren't | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
racist and the majority of people in UKIP aren't racist, they are worried | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
about immigration, we can have a fair debate about that. The issue is | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
far too many constituencies, we are underrepresented. You are right when | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
you talked about those numbers, it doesn't yet reflect Britain. But | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
where as it was only 1987 we had our first black and Asian MPs getting in | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
modern times, I think it will pick up now. The racism is a lot less | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
than it was in politics. Finally to you Sam? I think in terms of winning | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
people over and just going back to ten's point, delivering for people, | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
so we talk about our long-term economic plan, if people have moved | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
to have this country this is because they want to get on. If they want to | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
get on, things like cutting taxes for them to keep more of what they | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
earn, three million people being removed from tax all together and 26 | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
million people with a tax cut. That is the sort of thing that makes | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
people believe Government is delivering for them. Their | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
expectations of Government is what we have to deal with in order to get | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
them to vote for us. I know you two will carry on disagreeing what it | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
takes to get people to vote for you. Thank you for your thoughts. | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
Oscar Pistorius was accused in court today of making a sinister remark, | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
trying to intimidate one of his former girlfriend's friends. It is | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
yet another episode in the court drama in real life that is gripping | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
South Africa. But millions of its stat accepts have to live with the | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
-- citizens have to live with the drama of sky high crime rates every | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
day. There are elections there tomorrow, but few voters have | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
confidence in politicians that they will bring the long arm of the law | :23:42. | :23:49. | |
out to deal with everyone equally. The police Police say they are | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
bracing themselves for more violent clashes tonight. Guns, there are | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
guns. Violence, gun crime, people living in constant fear. The Oscar | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
Pistorius trial is forcing South Africa to confront some | :24:08. | :24:26. | |
uncomfortable truths. My daughter being raped, my granddaughter being | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
raped, that is something that happens in this country. My fears | :24:30. | :24:37. | |
are for my children, it is my childrens' life, I'm all that is | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
there for my children, other than their uncles and aunts, but I have | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
raised them on my own for 16 years, and I am the only person who can | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
really take care of them. So I need self-defence. Many South Africans | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
resort to buying firearms to defend themselves against would-be | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
attackers. People like Charlene who is here to get her gun license have | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
lost confidence in the police. As a woman it is not that easy to defend | :25:06. | :25:14. | |
oneself, especially when most of the crime is gang-related. It is more | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
than one person attacking you. If you are proficient in weapon use, | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
and confident in it, then you will be able to take care of yourself and | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
your family. 45 people are murdered here every day. The numbers are | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
down, but compared to other countries still high. The Oscar | :25:32. | :25:38. | |
Pistorius crime and white crime in general continues to grab | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
international headlines, but the truth is white people are less | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
likely to be attacked now in the new South Africa than under apartheid. | :25:47. | :25:49. | |
So while rich whites are more fearful of crime, the reality is | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
that the bulk of victims happen to be poor and black. In this township | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
one of the most dangerous in the country, there is a feeling that the | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
justice system doesn't work for ordinary people. The trial has | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
raised concerns about crime and safety in our society, what do you | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
think about that? I think three or four months back the owner of a shop | :26:11. | :26:16. | |
was killed there, and the police station is two streets away from us, | :26:17. | :26:23. | |
but their response was not there, we don't even trust our own cops. We | :26:24. | :26:31. | |
live in fear in our own homes. If I got my girlfriend I would be in jail | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
right now, right now. With all my money and everything I would still | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
be in jail. First degree murder, the only person I know who has got bail, | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
first degree murder, it is crazy. Back at home with Charlene on the | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
outskirts of Johannesburg, the family feel abandoned and isolated. | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
What happened is the burglars gained entry into the kitchen... The family | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
has had to make its own security arrangements, at night her daughter | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
organises the local Neighbourhood Watch The Internet is full of Oscar | :27:04. | :27:10. | |
and there is ratings on Oscar. He is getting all of the attention. It is | :27:11. | :27:18. | |
unfair that he as a known person, a celebrity, somebody who people | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
looked up to is getting all of this kind of attention. Where as I had a | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
break in to my house, although not much was taken, it was a small case, | :27:27. | :27:32. | |
I understand, but a case wasn't even opened. So you obviously have the | :27:33. | :27:42. | |
feelings of self blame, why did I stay that long? Maybe you need to go | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
back and look at the forgiveness issue. | :27:48. | :27:49. | |
But the Pistorius case has forced South Africa to face up to problems | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
of domestic violence. He hit me with an iron pipe, and I didn't know what | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
exactly he was hitting me with, I was trying to defend myself, we were | :28:00. | :28:05. | |
fighting. Every eight hours a woman is murdered by her intimate partner. | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
After I was lying there on the bed, you know, in the hospital, I was | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
looking up, there was a light, a big light on my face. It is then a | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
decision came to me that I'm going to die in this house. I'm really | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
going to die if I don't move out. Because I have been having advice to | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
move out but it was not yet the time. And then I decided on that | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
hospital bed, I decided I'm moving out no matter what. I didn't have a | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
place to go, I wasn't working, but the fear disappeared on that bed. | :28:40. | :28:47. | |
She sought refuge in this orphanage, she became homeless following the | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
divorce from her abusive husband. What is it about South African women | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
that makes them feel so trapped that they cannot leave these abusive | :28:58. | :29:04. | |
husbands or partners? Most often women are controlled by culture, | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
they get in a marriage to make their parents proud. Some of the things is | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
that we don't have knowledge. You get in a marriage without knowing | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
what your rights are. You only, it is not about you, it is all about a | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
man. Because they say you don't ask him where he has come from, his word | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
is final. For many in South Africa, the Pistorius case is a distraction | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
from some of the fundamental problems facing the country. There | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
is a lot of people who, a lot of families going through the same | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
thing that these families are, they don't get the same treatment, their | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
trials aren't televised, they don't get the same scrutiny as he is. I | :29:45. | :29:49. | |
don't think it is fair. It is Oscar Pistorius and that is all that | :29:50. | :29:52. | |
really matters about this trial, not the justice system working, because | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
it is working now, because it is one rich man and one beautiful girl that | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
had lots of talent and one guy who had lots of talent. It is working | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
now, but who else is it going to work for. The Pistorius case has | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
brought renewed attention to South Africa's problems, but there is a | :30:10. | :30:11. | |
frustration that politicians lack the will or ability to deliver real | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
change. Now the names of the authors who | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
opposed it could almost have been a best-seller list themselves, the | :30:21. | :30:25. | |
Ministry of Justice plans to limit prisoners access to books provoked | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
howls of protests in sometimes rather nonliterary terms. But this | :30:30. | :30:32. | |
evening Newsnight has discovered the Government might have run into a bit | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
of trouble with the plans. Emily is here. What's happening. Let me talk | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
you through it, in my hands I have details of the legal challenge that | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
has just been served on the Ministry of Justice over this prisoner book | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
ban. That was the shorthand term we gave what they would call the | :30:49. | :30:54. | |
"incentives and earned privileges scheme", it was to stop prisoners | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
receiving small packages, many carrying books they needed could | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
help to reinvent advise them particularly when serving long | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
sentences. We have heard a bunch of lawyers are going to run a test case | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
against one claimant, a woman who is serving a life sentence, she is an | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
epilepsy sufferer, highly qualified, she has said her life is in despair | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
without access to these books, which have really been taking her through | :31:22. | :31:27. | |
this life sentence. Any response so far from the Government? Very | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
interesting, because the MOJ, who haven't received the full bunkedle | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
yet, they will get 2,000-pages. I have got the advice and | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
yet, they will get 2,000-pages. I here. They will get the full | :31:40. | :31:40. | |
package, 2,000 pages, 44 blames here. They will get the full | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
that pack -- claims in here. They will get the full | :31:46. | :31:48. | |
they have been told about this and they have said it is run out of | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
time. The policy was introduced last November, it is three months and | :31:52. | :31:55. | |
they have run out of time. The legal team say it doesn't matter because | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
the piecemeal way was introduced, which means their climbant has only | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
just started feeling the effects of it now, she is devastated. If they | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
win it could turn over the policy. The beginning of what could be a | :32:07. | :32:09. | |
very interesting story. You might be forgiven for being | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
surprised to learn there are limits on how much football clubs can | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
spend. You might wonder how effective the fair finance rules are | :32:17. | :32:21. | |
when top earners can take home ?300 a week. Yes a week -- ?300,000 a | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
week. Yes a week. Non-league players are lucky to get an orange slice at | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
half time. UEFA have created a set of rules to try to stop reckless | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
spending and prevent clubs building up suicidal levels of debt. They | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
face hefty penalties if they ignore them. The same bulging check book | :32:42. | :32:49. | |
that secured Manchester City the Premiership is set to land them in | :32:50. | :32:55. | |
trouble. A lot of kids right now will be dreaming of playing for | :32:56. | :32:58. | |
Manchester City. They look likely to win the league. But it is not all | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
Roy of the Rovers stuff for them. City faces a ?50 million fine and | :33:05. | :33:07. | |
retruction to the number of players it can use in European competition. | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
That's because UEFA, the European football body, thinks City may have | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
breached its financial fair play rules. These are rules that aim to | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
prevent clubs from collapsing because they spent more than they | :33:23. | :33:25. | |
make. Many football fans like the idea of these financial fair play | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
rules. That is because a lot of supporters are quite suspicious of | :33:30. | :33:32. | |
the role of big money in football. They don't like the idea that you | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
just need to find some oligarch, or some foreign princeling to back your | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
team, and then you can walk your way to the Premier League title. That is | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
why clubs like AFC Wimbledon, fan-owned, have a lot of sympathy | :33:47. | :33:49. | |
and support from fans of other teams. Manchester City's owner from | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
Abu Dhabi has certainly poured money into the club. This season alone, | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
despite starting with a team that finished strongly last year, they | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
spent ?95 million on transfers. Crystal Palace, by contrast, who | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
play in the same league, spent only ?24 million. Now big spending alone | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
isn't the problem, it is spending a lot more than you make. Ed the rules | :34:14. | :34:22. | |
say a club can only spent 45 million euros more than that it spends on | :34:23. | :34:31. | |
running costs on sponsorship deals and players. So UEFA has to find out | :34:32. | :34:36. | |
how much money they are spending and how much they have got. The problem | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
is while it is pretty easy to work out how much a club is spending, it | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
is difficult to work out exactly how much money it is earning. So if a | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
club just spent 45 million euros more than they earned over a | :34:51. | :34:53. | |
two-year period, and they got the owner to bail them out, UEFA would | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
tackle that kind of behaviour. What if the club owner knew a guy who | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
owed them favour who could put the money in for them, that might swerve | :35:03. | :35:08. | |
around the rules. UEFA is worried about this, it calls it a "related | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
party transaction", that is why City are in trouble. The club thinks its | :35:14. | :35:21. | |
overspend is below 45 million euros, or ?37 million. Those numbers rest | :35:22. | :35:27. | |
on a big sponsorship deal, worth about ?40 million with the Abu Dhabi | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
airline headed by their owner's half brother. UEFA will want to know | :35:33. | :35:35. | |
whether City got an unusually good deal. UEFA can also show teams a red | :35:36. | :35:42. | |
card, banning them from European competitions all together. But it | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
will hope that fines, which effectively cut club's financial | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
fair play limited in future years will do. I think what UEFA are | :35:50. | :35:56. | |
hoping to do is to get compliance by agreement, by settlement, and | :35:57. | :36:03. | |
therefore the harsher sanctions of points deduction or actually | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
removing clubs from the competition. I can't see it happening in the | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
short-term. When not booking buses for a new celebration of the coming | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
weeks, City is in negotiation with UEFA about these issues, so too is | :36:19. | :36:25. | |
PSG, backed by Qatar. So we're in the slightly peculiar position that | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
a rulebook, designed to stop clubs from going bust, is now catching out | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
the clubs who have the most solvent backing of all. With us is the | :36:34. | :36:41. | |
former chief executive of the FA, and in Salford an expert in sport | :36:42. | :36:48. | |
finance. Firstly to you Mark, it looks like | :36:49. | :36:51. | |
the first fines will be applied here, but with a bit of financial | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
jigry pokery around the edges, are the rules working as designed to? I | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
think the very fact that we are having a debate is to me, it is the | :37:02. | :37:05. | |
proof in the pudding. We are starting a debate. Five or ten years | :37:06. | :37:10. | |
ago we weren't having the debate, that is an important point to make. | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
You have to distinguish between UEFA's rules at the top end of the | :37:16. | :37:18. | |
game and the other rules that have been copied, if you like, in the | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
Premier League and further down the leison. Down the league it is having | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
an effect. That is where you really have to look at protecting clubs | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
against financial problems. At the top end it is more about creating a | :37:30. | :37:32. | |
level playing field. Can you create a level playing field, you are still | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
going to get clubs like Manchester City, PSG, with the deepest pockets | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
in the world, just piling cash in, it is not really going to make that | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
much difference? Unless you stand back and get to looking at sport and | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
saying it is a special case, at the heart of professional sport, at the | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
heart of sport as a business and as a sport, you have this conflict. In | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
any other business you kill off your competitors, in sport you have to | :37:56. | :37:58. | |
maintain that competitive playing field. Professor was this a problem | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
that really needed to be solved in your view? It didn't, if you look at | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
the top of the English Premiership, you have three clubs in the top five | :38:10. | :38:15. | |
not owned by super-rich Middle East oligarch, nor is it true in Europe, | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
if you look at the Champions League, one of the teams in the Champions | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
League final is clearly not in terms of Athletico Madrid like that. The | :38:24. | :38:26. | |
whole issue of financial fair play is based on a false premise, which | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
is that it is in some way to have less fair to have a foreign investor | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
put money in, than having the situation you have in Spain where | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
the distribution of income is such that actually the team at the bottom | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
of the Spanish First Division gets virtually nothing, and the team at | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
the top, whether Real Madrid or Barcelona scoop the pool. If | :38:48. | :38:50. | |
Manchester City got the share of income that Real Madrid or Barcelona | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
get at the English TV income, they could have had the extra ?50 million | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
for the last three years and not in trouble at all. The whole premise is | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
false. When you listen to those numbers it sounds like this didn't | :39:05. | :39:07. | |
need to happen, because the equation between money in and rewards out | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
isn't as simple as you suggest? I think what you have to do is stand | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
back and look at this. You are looking at Manchester City at a | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
particular point in time, you are looking at other clubs at a | :39:19. | :39:21. | |
particular point in time. Unless you take a broader view you will come to | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
a specific conclusion that supports your case. Take for example Arsenal, | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
who now complain that Manchester City should be punished in, or | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
Arsene Wenger does, but when you look at it is a function of timing. | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
Yes Arsenal run their ship in a much more business-like way, rather than | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
the benefactor model that Manchester City has got. They are there already | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
and pulling up the draw bridge if you apply the rules harshly. Are you | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
saying there is not a problem with money and football? I don't think | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
there is the problem that UEFA first brought. It is not the problem. If | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
you look at the German league, last year the Champions League was | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
dominated by German club, and in a European level they are, in a sense, | :40:07. | :40:14. | |
an ideal model, they are owned by the fans. They originally talked | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
about the problem being debt. And the most indebted club in England | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
has hardly been touched. Whether they were in the Champions League or | :40:22. | :40:24. | |
not, they are not touched by this. And then the comparison between | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
City, for example, and PSG is even more absurd. City actually have got | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
a very good sponsorship deal, which is justified by the massive | :40:34. | :40:38. | |
developments taking place at the stadium. You are getting the | :40:39. | :40:41. | |
redevelopments of one of the most deprived areas of Greater Manchester | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
on the back of the campus development. Comparing that for | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
example with what is happening at PSG is nonsense. To see City | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
penalised to the same degree as PSG is absurd, you have got very | :40:54. | :40:56. | |
different scenarios and very different strategies for the two | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
clubs. It is a completely false situation being created. So the | :41:01. | :41:07. | |
professor is not too impressed by UEFA's grasp on the figures, isn't | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
it the wages of footballers that get people going? Again stepping back to | :41:13. | :41:19. | |
this, the rotting Rhino on the table is players wages are too high. If a | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
kid was getting a million pound a year would he bother to play | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
football? Yes he would. If he was getting ?5 million would it make a | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
difference? Probably not, where does the extra cash go? Thank you very | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
much indeed for joining us. Now to a very different sporting | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
era, running a mile in less than four minutes still probably feels | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
pretty unlikely to most of us. But until 60 years ago today no-one had | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
ever done it. And Roger Banser, who achieved the feat wasn't even a | :41:50. | :41:53. | |
full-time athlete when he scourged around the track in Oxford. We have | :41:54. | :42:00. | |
set Stephen Smith the marginally easy task of telling Sir Roger's | :42:01. | :42:18. | |
story in 3. 59 seconds! I feel the muscle pain that I had at the end, | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
the first part felt very easy because I hadn't run or trained for | :42:24. | :42:33. | |
five days. I went to America once, I arrived alone, and the next day | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
someone wrote a letter, "he arrived alone, no masseur, no coach, no | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
manager, he's either nuts or he's good"! There are lovely stories | :42:44. | :42:50. | |
about the day, how you went to a friend's house for a ham salad and a | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
key factor in whether to go ahead was whether a particular flag was | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
flapping in the wind or not? There was a strong wind and lots of wane, | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
and the tracks then were cinder tracks and it slowed a runner down | :43:06. | :43:14. | |
perhaps by four seconds over a mile. Dr Roger Bannister. Before the BBC | :43:15. | :43:22. | |
rightly stamped down on fakers, Record Breakers recreated the tannoy | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
of the record, not preserved on the day. The British Empire and world | :43:29. | :43:30. | |
record, the time 3. day. The British Empire and world | :43:31. | :43:42. | |
after that the noise of the crowd obliterated the noise of his | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
announcement. I'm overwhelmed, and delighted, it was a great surprise | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
to me to be able to do it today, I this was very lucky. Bannister's | :43:51. | :44:00. | |
pals were pace makers, both Oxbridge graduates. The academic Mary Beard | :44:01. | :44:07. | |
has praised Bannister's achievement, but also raised a ticklish question. | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
She also talks about a class element to it, the fact that the man who | :44:12. | :44:20. | |
finished fourth, Tom Houlat was from a working-class background, he's | :44:21. | :44:23. | |
rather forgotten in this great event? I think he came fourth in | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
about 4. 20, I think it was really quite a slow event, and had been | :44:30. | :44:35. | |
selected as one of the team but he did not happen to be the one who was | :44:36. | :44:41. | |
involved in helping me. I would be sad if he had this feeling. My own | :44:42. | :44:49. | |
father came from Lancashire and had no prospects in Lancashire and so he | :44:50. | :44:55. | |
had came to London. Britain and the Commonwealth were producing | :44:56. | :45:01. | |
Corinthian heros, scaling Everest, scourging around a craneder track -- | :45:02. | :45:08. | |
cinder track. Did they find trace elements of ham | :45:09. | :45:13. | |
salad on you on the momentous occasion, were there any drug | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
testing? There were drugs used already, I think, in cycling. And in | :45:18. | :45:25. | |
the last century they were, but they were peculiarly useless drugs, I | :45:26. | :45:31. | |
can't see how strychnine can help you perform better. You want to give | :45:32. | :45:37. | |
that to the rivals presumably! Sir Roger, who is 85 has spent most of | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
his life in medicine. It recently emerged that he has Parkinsons' | :45:42. | :45:48. | |
disease. It is a bit ironic that as a neurologist, I have treated many, | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
many patients in the course of my career and I'm not making too much | :45:53. | :45:58. | |
of it. It is a problem, but I have had a wonderful life. The tape is | :45:59. | :46:02. | |
broken and so is the record, athletes have long been dreaming | :46:03. | :46:08. | |
about. And that 3. 59 was indeed your lot. That's all we have time | :46:09. | :46:10. | |
for, good night. Some showers around for the rest of | :46:11. | :46:26. | |
the night and we are upping the potential for getting wet over the | :46:27. | :46:29. | |
next few days, in fact for Wednesday we will see outbreaks of rain, | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
heading across Northern Ireland, northern England and into southern | :46:34. | :46:37. | |
Scotland. It is breezy and there are showers to be had. A wet spot of | :46:38. | :46:40. | |
weather into Northern Ireland, reaching to at least southern | :46:41. | :46:46. | |
Scotland may hold off the belt until later on. Northern half of | :46:47. | :46:47. |